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She pissed someone off, is my guess, and that someone flexed. 

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The Hockey News: Sources: Klee, Coyne Schofield Lead Charge To Oust Darwitz


   
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Russo and Joe Smith's story on this situation.

https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1799413323491848513

According to multiple team and league sources, on Tuesday the PWHL — which owns all six teams — informed Darwitz that she would no longer be the GM of the franchise.

On Thursday morning, during a meeting with league officials, Darwitz was offered multiple options, per the sources: Take a position in the PWHL hockey operations department, issue a joint statement in which she would announce she had achieved everything she wanted in the first year of the franchise and was moving on to a new challenge or sit at Minnesota’s table for Monday’s PWHL draft but with no authority.

Effectively, that would have allowed both parties to delay her departure until they could have come up with an exit strategy.

Her departure was, according to league and team sources, the result of a rift with Klee, with a handful of veteran players like Kendall Coyne Schofield in Klee’s camp and others in Darwitz’s.

Inside the office assembled by Darwitz, staffers are upset and befuddled.

“It’s all Minnesota people, and if you’re from Minnesota and you watch hockey and women’s sports, Darwitz is the first name you obviously know,” a team source said. “If you met her, you like her even more because of the person she is. She treats her staff like gold. People are shocked, pissed and sad.”

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issue a joint statement in which she would announce she had achieved everything she wanted in the first year of the franchise and was moving on to a new challenge


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Ugh. Players joining sides. Hate that news. If they all (or a vast majority at least) joined one, and it was Klee’s, great. But this doesn’t sound like that.


   
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So Klee wanted and interviewed for the GM job and didn’t get it.  He wasn’t even going to be the Head Coach until literally days before the season opening.  Did he and Darwitz really have a major disagreement, or did he just resent having her as his boss?  

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So Klee wanted and interviewed for the GM job and didn’t get it.  He wasn’t even going to be the Head Coach until literally days before the season opening.  Did he and Darwitz really have a major disagreement, or did he just resent having her as his boss?  

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Updated this afternoon.

https://twitter.com/BlountStrib/status/1799145851492745430

The PWHL said Saturday that the removal of Minnesota General Manager Natalie Darwitz was "a change that needed to be made," after internal and external reviews revealed issues that could not be resolved.

Jayna Hefford, the league's senior vice president of hockey operations, addressed Darwitz's departure in a video conference with the Star Tribune, the Athletic and the Associated Press. Her comments were the first issued by the league since news broke Friday that Darwitz was no longer with the team.

League sources said Darwitz was pushed out after a rift with coach Ken Klee, who has the backing of some of the team's key players.

Citing personnel issues, Hefford would not address specifics of Darwitz's departure. Hefford said the league had been examining the situation for a number of months. According to Hefford, the decision was made after the PWHL received feedback from internal and external groups that was "pretty direct and pretty clear there wasn't a path forward" without a change.

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No offense to you you're just sharing, but there was nothing new in that statement.


   
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No offense to you you're just sharing, but there was nothing new in that statement.

I guess most of the info is redundant, but I believe it is the 1st time an official from the PWHA has gone on the record with their comments. Before, it was mostly un-named sources and speculation. 

 

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Ugh. Players joining sides. Hate that news. If they all (or a vast majority at least) joined one, and it was Klee’s, great. But this doesn’t sound like that.

50-50 or whatever the split is, is not good. 

 

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PWHL:

When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.


   
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For those interested, Russo was on Barreiro's Sunday Sermons to discuss the Darwitz situation. You can find it on the KFAN page under podcasts. Not a ton of new info, but Russo called the league office incompetent and discussed his interactions with them. Said Coyne Schofield would actually call lines on the bench during games.  

* I'm not a fan when the inmates run the asylum. If true, I have lost a ton of respect for Coyne Schofield.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/462-sunday-sermons-w-dan-barre-28275970/

 

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Sounds like Coyne-Schofield is the Ryan Suter of women's hockey.


   
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Statement from Darwitz via Russo twitter.

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GM Natalie Darwitz has issued the following statement: “I would like to thank the State of Hockey for their support of PWHL Minnesota. As the General Manager of PWHL Minnesota, I gave my heart and soul to provide a first-class experience to the players, staff and fans. My goal was to grow the game of women’s hockey and to show young girls their dream could become a reality. I am very proud of the team and organization that was built and the championship we brought home to this great State of Hockey. At this time, I am not able to provide any details regarding my departure. Thank you.”

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If that isn't a forced statement, I dunno what is...

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Posted by: @the-rube

If that isn't a forced statement, I dunno what is...

There's nothing forced about that statement.  That's just Darwitz trying to keep the public on her side without actually saying anything. 

 


   
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Posted by: @j22

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If that isn't a forced statement, I dunno what is...

There's nothing forced about that statement.  That's just Darwitz trying to keep the public on her side without actually saying anything. 

 

 

That would be a forced statement. 😉 "I know I can't say what I want to say, so this is what I'll say."

 

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If that isn't a forced statement, I dunno what is...

There's nothing forced about that statement.  That's just Darwitz trying to keep the public on her side without actually saying anything. 

 

 

That would be a forced statement. 😉 "I know I can't say what I want to say, so this is what I'll say."

 

She wasn't forced to say anything

 


   
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Yeah, ok. She had to release a statement at SOME point, and that statement did not include what she really wanted to say, I'll put it that way. That is my view. 

When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.


   
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Yeah, ok. She had to release a statement at SOME point, and that statement did not include what she really wanted to say, I'll put it that way. That is my view. 

No, she didn't. She released this statement because she saw how terribly the PWHL is handling this disaster, and realized that she could easily turn them into the bad guys without actually saying anything. Its simple PR. There's nothing stopping her from saying what she wants to say

 


   
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If she says the true story, some will say it's sour grapes b/c she's mad that she was fired, etc etc. 

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The Hockey News: How Natalie Darwitz's Dismissal Could Impact Their PWHL Draft

Wasn’t aware that Winny was their head scout. The draft is tonight at the hall next to the “X”.

You can watch here👇. The broadcast starts at 5:15 (sounds like the draft itself won’t start until 6:00).


   
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Agree with Rube on this one. Maybe 'forced' is not a 100% apt adjective, but he's right that she most likely didn't say what she really wanted to say.  There is probably a better mechanism for telling her side of the story than a Tweet, if she ever even plans to say that much.


   
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Posted by: @j22

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Yeah, ok. She had to release a statement at SOME point, and that statement did not include what she really wanted to say, I'll put it that way. That is my view. 

No, she didn't. She released this statement because she saw how terribly the PWHL is handling this disaster, and realized that she could easily turn them into the bad guys without actually saying anything. Its simple PR. There's nothing stopping her from saying what she wants to say

 

Im sure there is, a non-disclosure agreement would be standard in a situation like this.  

 

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Yeah, ok. She had to release a statement at SOME point, and that statement did not include what she really wanted to say, I'll put it that way. That is my view. 

No, she didn't. She released this statement because she saw how terribly the PWHL is handling this disaster, and realized that she could easily turn them into the bad guys without actually saying anything. Its simple PR. There's nothing stopping her from saying what she wants to say

 

Im sure there is, a non-disclosure agreement would be standard in a situation like this.  

 

that she would have the choice to agree to or not. If she wanted the whole truth to be out, it would be out.

It's much more likely that she said what she because she doesn't want the actual truth out in the open any more than the league does.

 


   
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More from “The Hockey News”
”Power and Influence: What we continue to learn about Natalie Darwitz's dismissal”


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Starting to look like the best solution to this mess would be- 

1. Hire a new GM

2. Fire the coaching staff

3. Trade Coyne Schofield asap


   
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If you’re going to chop someone off at the knees at least have to guts to own up to it.  Zero respect for these people.


   
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Sounds like we have another short-lived league on our hands. What a bunch of buffoons. 


   
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Posted by: @karlsson

Sounds like we have another short-lived league on our hands. What a bunch of buffoons. 

It SOUNDED like they were doing the right thing, grow slowly, naturally, organic, etc...then whoops...here's the Wizard Of Oz, curtain is gone! 

 

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Posted by: @the-rube

Posted by: @karlsson

Sounds like we have another short-lived league on our hands. What a bunch of buffoons. 

It SOUNDED like they were doing the right thing, grow slowly, naturally, organic, etc...then whoops...here's the Wizard Of Oz, curtain is gone! 

 

how can this league allow teams to draft player’s already signed by the WPHL teams from last season but did not play last season?

 

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Posted by: @gopher6

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Sounds like we have another short-lived league on our hands. What a bunch of buffoons. 

It SOUNDED like they were doing the right thing, grow slowly, naturally, organic, etc...then whoops...here's the Wizard Of Oz, curtain is gone! 

 

how can this league allow teams to draft player’s already signed by the WPHL teams from last season but did not play last season?

 

they're called rules 

 


   
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Posted by: @gopher6

Posted by: @the-rube

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Sounds like we have another short-lived league on our hands. What a bunch of buffoons. 

It SOUNDED like they were doing the right thing, grow slowly, naturally, organic, etc...then whoops...here's the Wizard Of Oz, curtain is gone! 

how can this league allow teams to draft player’s already signed by the WPHL teams from last season but did not play last season?

Because they allowed players to sign outside of the draft process last year due to the scramble and compressed timeframe to start the season.  Even if they had played during the season, they would have to go through the draft process normally.

 

B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?


   
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I would be surprised if this “league” survives more than a few seasons.

Completely subsidized by one financial backer. Which will cost more to run than it could ever make every season.

Very poorly run as more comes to light.

Not a good combo.


   
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https://twitter.com/YouthHockeyHub/status/1800605557793177620


   
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https://twitter.com/YouthHockeyHub/status/1800605557793177620

Did all players qualify for this award last year?

 


   
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Did all players qualify for this award last year?

 

Good question. I don’t know what the criteria for this award is.

 


   
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From the PWHL site…….

The PWHL Rookie of the Year award is given to the player who showcases the most outstanding ability throughout their first regular season of professional play. Players eligible for the Rookie of the Year award must be competing in their first season of professional hockey in North America and begin the season in their 25th birth year or younger. For the inaugural season, players born 1998 and later are eligible for the Rookie of the Year award. 


   
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I'm waiting for Coyne-Schofield to win the outstanding leadership award. 😎 

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I'm waiting for Coyne-Schofield to win the outstanding leadership award. 😎 

Or the Coach of the Year award 😉 

 


   
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This whole saga is insane....

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A couple of not so flattering quotes in the story about Klee...

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IF the allegations are true, I would assume Klee will be fired here very soon. 

https://thehockeynews.com/womens/pwhl/new-allegations-emerge-trouble-continues-to-mount-in-minnesota


   
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Boy it's a good thing they got rid of Darwitz then. 🙄 


   
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With issues going on that affected team building it is very impressive that the team was able to win a Championship especially coming back from an 0-2 hole in a best of 5 series against the #1 seed. In their 6 playoff wins they had 5 shut outs and gave up one goal in the other game.


   
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