Spurgeon finished 3rd in the Lady Bing...trade him he is worthless!
Spurgeon finished 3rd in the Lady Bing…trade him he is worthless!
Wild named Spurgeon Captain in 21-22, while we can debate which player would be best to move to get under salary CAP going forward, it’s pretty clear it’s not likely going to be Spurgeon, obviously Billy Guerin kinda likes him as a player & leader despite what all of (us) “expert rubes” may believe… 
But random guys who are obviously better GMs on GPL said we should trade him! And they for sure know more than people paid to research these things do hence why they are posting here!
Old time hawkey:
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Here's what The Athletic's Corey Pronman had in his mock draft v. 2.0 today:
24. Minnesota Wild: Angus McGuillicutty, LW, Spokane Schnitzels USHLMinnesota has added a lot at the premium positions in recent years so I can see them rolling the dice in a player like McGuillicutty who has Popeye-like forearms and likes to spray snow on goalies when in front of the net. Russian wingers like James Smith or Kendall Rothschild could also be in the mix for the Wild.
Please tell me this is real:
Here’s what The Athletic’s Corey Pronman had in his mock draft v. 2.0 today:
24. Minnesota Wild: Angus McGuillicutty, LW, Spokane Schnitzels USHLMinnesota has added a lot at the premium positions in recent years so I can see them rolling the dice in a player like McGuillicutty who has Popeye-like forearms and likes to spray snow on goalies when in front of the net. Russian wingers like James Smith or Kendall Rothschild could also be in the mix for the Wild.
LOL. no
Mikhail Aleksandrovich Sergachev is a Russian professional ice hockey defenceman for the Tampa Bay Lightning of the National Hockey League. He was selected ninth overall by the Montreal Canadiens in the 2016 NHL Entry Draft. The Bolts traded Jonathan Drouin, the 3rd overall pick in the 2013 draft to get Sergachev.
Born: June 25, 1998 (age 23 years),
Height: 6′ 3″. In 20-21 he signed a 3 year contract averaging 4.8 million.
He’s 23 years old (for a couple more weeks) and aside from maybe Brodin he’s better than all of the Wild defensemen.
Please tell me this is real:
Here’s what The Athletic’s Corey Pronman had in his mock draft v. 2.0 today:
24. Minnesota Wild: Angus McGuillicutty, LW, Spokane Schnitzels USHLMinnesota has added a lot at the premium positions in recent years so I can see them rolling the dice in a player like McGuillicutty who has Popeye-like forearms and likes to spray snow on goalies when in front of the net. Russian wingers like James Smith or Kendall Rothschild could also be in the mix for the Wild.LOL. no
OMG - if only there was any hockey team with the nickname of the Schnitzels.
Another creative video from the Wild featuring Ryan Carter ( Maverick ) and Goligoski ( Goose )
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Now do the Wild trade up in the draft with their 2 first rounders, trade for an established player with their #24 and the #19 (from LA) or keep the 2 first round picks?!?!?!
Keep your stick on the ice...
Faber!!
Now do the Wild trade up in the draft with their 2 first rounders, trade for an established player with their #24 and the #19 (from LA) or keep the 2 first round picks?!?!?!
They can't trade for an established player, they don't have the cap space. That is why they traded Fiala in the first place.
Pretty underwhelming trade to say the least.
Now do the Wild trade up in the draft with their 2 first rounders, trade for an established player with their #24 and the #19 (from LA) or keep the 2 first round picks?!?!?!
They can’t trade for an established player, they don’t have the cap space. That is why they traded Fiala in the first place.
Pretty underwhelming trade to say the least.
Yeah they're going to really miss Fiala's disappearing playoff tricks greatly.
So its not an underwhelming trade because of 6 playoff games?
Now do the Wild trade up in the draft with their 2 first rounders, trade for an established player with their #24 and the #19 (from LA) or keep the 2 first round picks?!?!?!
They can’t trade for an established player, they don’t have the cap space. That is why they traded Fiala in the first place.
Pretty underwhelming trade to say the least.
There's always a way to free up $$$. I'm just an arm GM, not an actual GM... but there's always a way.
Keep your stick on the ice...
It’s possible he would have returned more assets if he signed an offer sheet in the offseason (as he definitely would have been offered over 6 mil and maybe over 8) but the assets from this trade will be able to be utilised more quickly as Faber will sign after this year and potentially this 1st round draft selection will be ready in a year or two. Hopefully the Wild are able to find a solid contributor with that 19th selection.
Will be fun to see Faber make his debut after winning us a Natty!
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It’s possible he would have returned more assets if he signed an offer sheet in the offseason (as he definitely would have been offered over 6 mil and maybe over 8) but the assets from this trade will be able to be utilised more quickly as Faber will sign after this year and potentially this 1st round draft selection will be ready in a year or two. Hopefully the Wild are able to find a solid contributor with that 19th selection.
Will be fun to see Faber make his debut after winning us a Natty!
I would assume Fiala is signing with LA real soon. I highly doubt they made the trade without talking to his agent and being on the same page around a contract.
A 19th pick is almost always two-three years away minimum from even being in Iowa let alone with the Wild. We won't see that player for a while.
It’s possible he would have returned more assets if he signed an offer sheet in the offseason (as he definitely would have been offered over 6 mil and maybe over 8) but the assets from this trade will be able to be utilised more quickly as Faber will sign after this year and potentially this 1st round draft selection will be ready in a year or two. Hopefully the Wild are able to find a solid contributor with that 19th selection.
Will be fun to see Faber make his debut after winning us a Natty!
I would assume Fiala is signing with LA real soon. I highly doubt they made the trade without talking to his agent and being on the same page around a contract.
A 19th pick is almost always two-three years away minimum from even being in Iowa let alone with the Wild. We won’t see that player for a while.
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The biggest question is -- when will Cowgirl get a Wild Faber jersey?
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So its not an underwhelming trade because of 6 playoff games?
It’s so cute you think his piss poor playoff results were just from this year.
Never mind the fact they have to find room for the cap moving forward.
oooh he's edgy today, lookout!
Everyone gets the move and needing cap space. Doesn't mean the value back is justified no matter what, sorry you are having a tough time with that being pointed out. The talk about his trade over the last month was not for a 19th pick.
Will be even worse if Dumba isn't in a Wild jersey later this next season or in a year.
Considering how poorly Guerin handled this entire situation, Faber and the 19th pick is probably better than should've been expected.
I did love the quote from Russo where Guerin pretty much he admits that he doesn't understand the basic concept of leverage.
Depends what on which Dumba camp you’re in.
I was referring to the cap side of things. If Dumba is ultimately gone in a year you probably could have kept Fiala. Obviously Dumba would have had to go now.
Overall just not a fan of losing core players in their mid 20s when they can be around for a long time and still have upside.
We saw how it goes when the core is in the 30s.
Depends what on which Dumba camp you’re in.
I was referring to the cap side of things. If Dumba is ultimately gone in a year you probably could have kept Fiala. Obviously Dumba would have had to go now.
Overall just not a fan of losing core players in their mid 20s when they can be around for a long time and still have upside.
We saw how it goes when the core is in the 30s.
It's very likely that they will have to move Dumba or a similar level contract next year as well. The problems that Guerin has caused are just now starting
I’m sure the anti Dumba crowd would gladly raise the money for you to have his jersey.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Depends what on which Dumba camp you’re in.
I was referring to the cap side of things. If Dumba is ultimately gone in a year you probably could have kept Fiala. Obviously Dumba would have had to go now.
Overall just not a fan of losing core players in their mid 20s when they can be around for a long time and still have upside.
We saw how it goes when the core is in the 30s.
It’s very likely that they will have to move Dumba or a similar level contract next year as well. The problems that Guerin has caused are just now starting
Jesus dude, did Guerin f**k your girlfriend or something?
If Faber pans out, which he should & the #1 pick (eventually) pans out, it's a good trade. Bottom line, based on what LA will be paying Fiala, it wasn't in the cards for the Wild to sign him. If Fiala turns into a consistent 80 point + scorer year after year & gets it going in playoffs, the trade won't seem so great! Fiala is an exciting player & had a great regular season last year, but the goal is to built a Stanley Cup contender. Guerin has played on two Stanley Cup winners & was an executive with Pens when they won two more, so I think it’s safe to say he has a solid idea regarding what he’s trying to ultimately achieve & a long term plan to do it…although some may not agree.
I have a good friend that is an F'n Hawk fan. Last guy in the world to ever give a gopher any credit. I took him to a couple games last year and he saw Faber play in person. His analysis was, he's as good as Power but not as big (saw them play head to head). I don't know if I'll go that far, but for a gopher hater to say that i think speaks to how well Faber has acquitted himself over the last year.
I think since we all love Faber and since he’s so familiar around here it’s seen as a much better trade than it is. If it were some Swedish shutdown defenseman and a draft pick we would be saying the Wild got fleeced.
Then again I love Faber so I think it’s a great trade?? not to mention the money dump.
Also the caveat here is the draft pick. If he’s good it’ll shut the nay-sayers up.
P.S. take Snuggerud with the pick?
It’s possible he would have returned more assets if he signed an offer sheet in the offseason (as he definitely would have been offered over 6 mil and maybe over 8) but the assets from this trade will be able to be utilised more quickly as Faber will sign after this year and potentially this 1st round draft selection will be ready in a year or two. Hopefully the Wild are able to find a solid contributor with that 19th selection.
Will be fun to see Faber make his debut after winning us a Natty!
I would assume Fiala is signing with LA real soon. I highly doubt they made the trade without talking to his agent and being on the same page around a contract.
A 19th pick is almost always two-three years away minimum from even being in Iowa let alone with the Wild. We won’t see that player for a while.
That just happens the be the time the Wild will have the money to sign free agents again.
I’m sure the anti Dumba crowd would gladly raise the money for you to have his jersey.
Yes, I’ve already been asked to buy one. ?
What makes the most sense to me however is for them to give Faber #22. Then it’s a simple as a new nameplate….
someone make this happen! 😉
The wild also have now 2 draft picks right in that range of Snuggerud, Chesley, and Rinzel.
Depends what on which Dumba camp you’re in.
I was referring to the cap side of things. If Dumba is ultimately gone in a year you probably could have kept Fiala. Obviously Dumba would have had to go now.
Overall just not a fan of losing core players in their mid 20s when they can be around for a long time and still have upside.
We saw how it goes when the core is in the 30s.
It’s very likely that they will have to move Dumba or a similar level contract next year as well. The problems that Guerin has caused are just now starting
Didn't these problems basically start 10 years ago? It's not something that Guerin caused, it was always coming.
The cap solutions to find a way to add another $8M in space involve adding entry level contracts to your current roster and dumping players by sweetening the trade with draft picks heading out. And once that $8M in space gets taken by Fiala, there is still the issue of figuring out your goaltending situation and extending Boldy beyond next season.
I think we should be able to read the writing on the wall that Dumba and his $6M contract are not very attractive to the rest of the NHL. If there was an easy deal out there to be made, then that would have been the move. If I were the GM of another team I'd only take Dumba if I could send back a slightly worse contact with some term attached. They don't have to do anything with Dumba next season as his contract expires. Also btw... the Dubma deal was signed by Paul Fenton and not Guerin.
I'll be interested to see if Dumba were interested in a team friendly deal -- despite all the criticism, The Athletics market value model puts Dumba at $5.7M/year. I'd be interested to see an Evolving Hockey projection for him.
Depends what on which Dumba camp you’re in.
I was referring to the cap side of things. If Dumba is ultimately gone in a year you probably could have kept Fiala. Obviously Dumba would have had to go now.
Overall just not a fan of losing core players in their mid 20s when they can be around for a long time and still have upside.
We saw how it goes when the core is in the 30s.
It’s very likely that they will have to move Dumba or a similar level contract next year as well. The problems that Guerin has caused are just now starting
Didn’t these problems basically start 10 years ago? It’s not something that Guerin caused, it was always coming.
The cap solutions to find a way to add another $8M in space involve adding entry level contracts to your current roster and dumping players by sweetening the trade with draft picks heading out. And once that $8M in space gets taken by Fiala, there is still the issue of figuring out your goaltending situation and extending Boldy beyond next season.
I think we should be able to read the writing on the wall that Dumba and his $6M contract are not very attractive to the rest of the NHL. If there was an easy deal out there to be made, then that would have been the move. If I were the GM of another team I’d only take Dumba if I could send back a slightly worse contact with some term attached. They don’t have to do anything with Dumba next season as his contract expires. Also btw… the Dubma deal was signed by Paul Fenton and not Guerin.
I’ll be interested to see if Dumba were interested in a team friendly deal — despite all the criticism, The Athletics market value model puts Dumba at $5.7M/year. I’d be interested to see an Evolving Hockey projection for him.
Why is it always Dumba that gets brought up? There's an older, worse, and more expensive RHD that Guerin is in fact responsible for. Why does Dumba have to be the one to weat that mistake?
wrote...Depends what on which Dumba camp you’re in.
I was referring to the cap side of things. If Dumba is ultimately gone in a year you probably could have kept Fiala. Obviously Dumba would have had to go now.
Overall just not a fan of losing core players in their mid 20s when they can be around for a long time and still have upside.
We saw how it goes when the core is in the 30s.
It’s very likely that they will have to move Dumba or a similar level contract next year as well. The problems that Guerin has caused are just now starting
Didn’t these problems basically start 10 years ago? It’s not something that Guerin caused, it was always coming.
The cap solutions to find a way to add another $8M in space involve adding entry level contracts to your current roster and dumping players by sweetening the trade with draft picks heading out. And once that $8M in space gets taken by Fiala, there is still the issue of figuring out your goaltending situation and extending Boldy beyond next season.
I think we should be able to read the writing on the wall that Dumba and his $6M contract are not very attractive to the rest of the NHL. If there was an easy deal out there to be made, then that would have been the move. If I were the GM of another team I’d only take Dumba if I could send back a slightly worse contact with some term attached. They don’t have to do anything with Dumba next season as his contract expires. Also btw… the Dubma deal was signed by Paul Fenton and not Guerin.
I’ll be interested to see if Dumba were interested in a team friendly deal — despite all the criticism, The Athletics market value model puts Dumba at $5.7M/year. I’d be interested to see an Evolving Hockey projection for him.
Why is it always Dumba that gets brought up? There’s an older, worse, and more expensive RHD that Guerin is in fact responsible for. Why does Dumba have to be the one to weat that mistake?
I agree that Guerin owns the Spurgeon contract extension & making him Captain & that so far, that hasn’t exactly aged well. In an interview, Guerin, who also made Dumba an A Captain called Dumba the emotional leader of the team. There are some on GPL who don’t like Dumba (“too many turnovers being their main criticism) & never will & that isn’t changing. I’d like to see Dumba playing at full health & the Wild lutilizing his shot on the #1 power play. Spurgeon is essentially a set up guy on the PP, and now that Fiala is gone, Spurgeon could be setting up Dumba for one timers. But all GM’s (even Guerin) are stubborn to an extent, so he’s not going to give up on Spurgeon anytime soon. Hopefully Rossi rises to the occasion next year and plays on the top 2 lines. And finally…the Parise/Suter buyouts created cost certainly & are now past costs & accordingly irrelevant to future decision making. Parise couldn’t play effectively anymore (see last season with Islanders) & Suter, while he can still play, his DIVA personality didn’t fit the new core leadership group and therefore had to go too. But we get it…you clearly believe we’d of got more trading Suter & maybe your right…we’ll never know. Buying out Suter clearly was a Guerin call which Leopold (in the end) agreed with it & yeah, the Wild has to live now with the cap consequences.
From the Twitter and Athletic comments, it seems like a lot of Wilds fans do not like Faber. They’ve obviously never watched him play. There’s no way you watch a game with him and come away anything less than impressed.
Depends what on which Dumba camp you’re in.
I was referring to the cap side of things. If Dumba is ultimately gone in a year you probably could have kept Fiala. Obviously Dumba would have had to go now.
Overall just not a fan of losing core players in their mid 20s when they can be around for a long time and still have upside.
We saw how it goes when the core is in the 30s.
It’s very likely that they will have to move Dumba or a similar level contract next year as well. The problems that Guerin has caused are just now starting
Didn’t these problems basically start 10 years ago? It’s not something that Guerin caused, it was always coming.
The cap solutions to find a way to add another $8M in space involve adding entry level contracts to your current roster and dumping players by sweetening the trade with draft picks heading out. And once that $8M in space gets taken by Fiala, there is still the issue of figuring out your goaltending situation and extending Boldy beyond next season.
I think we should be able to read the writing on the wall that Dumba and his $6M contract are not very attractive to the rest of the NHL. If there was an easy deal out there to be made, then that would have been the move. If I were the GM of another team I’d only take Dumba if I could send back a slightly worse contact with some term attached. They don’t have to do anything with Dumba next season as his contract expires. Also btw… the Dubma deal was signed by Paul Fenton and not Guerin.
I’ll be interested to see if Dumba were interested in a team friendly deal — despite all the criticism, The Athletics market value model puts Dumba at $5.7M/year. I’d be interested to see an Evolving Hockey projection for him.
Why is it always Dumba that gets brought up? There’s an older, worse, and more expensive RHD that Guerin is in fact responsible for. Why does Dumba have to be the one to weat that mistake?
I don't watch enough Wild hockey to know but you have a point. When he is on he's fantastic, but when I do get a chance to watch the Wild Dumba seems more miss than hit. I love his shot but he rarely uses it in games I see. Maybe it's related to injuries. I am starting to get a Charlie Coyle vibe from him.
From the Twitter and Athletic comments, it seems like a lot of Wilds fans do not like Faber. They’ve obviously never watched him play. There’s no way you watch a game with him and come away anything less than impressed.
Just seen some brutal takes on Faber on Twitter. They just can’t seem to wrap their heads around the concept of a shutdown defenseman.
Honestly the parallels between Brodin and Faber are uncanny. Elite footwork, great stick, solid puckmover. Once he gets acclimated to the league I think Faber will be Brodin quality too. Imagine a penalty kill with Jonas and Brock on the back end, basically like having two goalies?
Depends what on which Dumba camp you’re in.
I was referring to the cap side of things. If Dumba is ultimately gone in a year you probably could have kept Fiala. Obviously Dumba would have had to go now.
Overall just not a fan of losing core players in their mid 20s when they can be around for a long time and still have upside.
We saw how it goes when the core is in the 30s.
It’s very likely that they will have to move Dumba or a similar level contract next year as well. The problems that Guerin has caused are just now starting
Didn’t these problems basically start 10 years ago? It’s not something that Guerin caused, it was always coming.
The cap solutions to find a way to add another $8M in space involve adding entry level contracts to your current roster and dumping players by sweetening the trade with draft picks heading out. And once that $8M in space gets taken by Fiala, there is still the issue of figuring out your goaltending situation and extending Boldy beyond next season.
I think we should be able to read the writing on the wall that Dumba and his $6M contract are not very attractive to the rest of the NHL. If there was an easy deal out there to be made, then that would have been the move. If I were the GM of another team I’d only take Dumba if I could send back a slightly worse contact with some term attached. They don’t have to do anything with Dumba next season as his contract expires. Also btw… the Dubma deal was signed by Paul Fenton and not Guerin.
I’ll be interested to see if Dumba were interested in a team friendly deal — despite all the criticism, The Athletics market value model puts Dumba at $5.7M/year. I’d be interested to see an Evolving Hockey projection for him.
Why is it always Dumba that gets brought up? There’s an older, worse, and more expensive RHD that Guerin is in fact responsible for. Why does Dumba have to be the one to weat that mistake?
I don’t watch enough Wild hockey to know but you have a point. When he is on he’s fantastic, but when I do get a chance to watch the Wild Dumba seems more miss than hit. I love his shot but he rarely uses it in games I see. Maybe it’s related to injuries. I am starting to get a Charlie Coyle vibe from him.
Dumba certainly has his faults, but it's also obvious that he's their 2nd best defenseman. He's also the best partner for Brodin and the best option they have to play the hard matchups that Brodin draws. Who is going to play those minutes of you have to move Dumba?
From the Twitter and Athletic comments, it seems like a lot of Wilds fans do not like Faber. They’ve obviously never watched him play. There’s no way you watch a game with him and come away anything less than impressed.
Just seen some brutal takes on Faber on Twitter. They just can’t seem to wrap their heads around the concept of a shutdown defenseman.
Honestly the parallels between Brodin and Faber are uncanny. Elite footwork, great stick, solid puckmover. Once he gets acclimated to the league I think Faber will be Brodin quality too. Imagine a penalty kill with Jonas and Brock on the back end, basically like having two goalies?
The problem with adding Brock to the Wild is the Wild already have enough 6'0" 190 lb defenseman....or smaller.
From the Twitter and Athletic comments, it seems like a lot of Wilds fans do not like Faber. They’ve obviously never watched him play. There’s no way you watch a game with him and come away anything less than impressed.
Just seen some brutal takes on Faber on Twitter. They just can’t seem to wrap their heads around the concept of a shutdown defenseman.
Honestly the parallels between Brodin and Faber are uncanny. Elite footwork, great stick, solid puckmover. Once he gets acclimated to the league I think Faber will be Brodin quality too. Imagine a penalty kill with Jonas and Brock on the back end, basically like having two goalies?
The problem with adding Brock to the Wild is the Wild already have enough 6’0″ 190 lb defenseman….or smaller.
Benn has size and he’s a goddam cone out there