https://footballscoop.com/news/usc-ucla-on-the-move-to-the-big-ten
The Gophers are finally going back to the Rose Bowl!
ADMIN: I figured that this really deserves it's own thread instead of hijacking the U football thread.
If and when this happens. I see the BIG going after Colorado and Utah. And eventually the PAC12 and BIG12 will combine since Texas and Oklahoma is bolting to the SEC.
Can this be done while only sticking to 2 divisions and therefore would likely force two of Illinois, NW and Purdue to the East?
I like it!
I think both have fairly strong club hockey, too, which could be interesting down the road.
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If and when this happens. I see the BIG going after Colorado and Utah. And eventually the PAC12 and BIG12 will combine since Texas and Oklahoma is bolting to the SEC.
Why? This expansion would bring the conference to 16 teams. 18 would seem obnoxious and I didn't think Colorado or Utah were all that we recognized as research institutions. Nor do they have the large media markets of our most recent additions (Rutgers, Maryland, USC and UCLA) added NY, Washington DC and LA to the B1G. Salt Lake City and Boulder are not in that conversation.
Both Colorado and Utah are AAU certified. They could also go after Washington, Arizona (not Arizona St.) or Kansas. I think the BIG will look to have "big" (no pun intended) footprint as the US. And again, athletics brings in pennies to the dollar what research brings in.
AAU Member Universities - Public:
Georgia Institute of Technology (2010)
Indiana University (1909)
Michigan State University (1964)
The Ohio State University (1916)
The Pennsylvania State University (1958)
Purdue University (1958)
Rutgers University – New Brunswick (1989)
Stony Brook University – The State University of New York (2001)
Texas A&M University (2001)
University at Buffalo – The State University of New York (1989)
The University of Arizona (1985)
University of California, Davis (1996)
University of California, Berkeley (1900)
University of California, Irvine (1996)
University of California, Los Angeles (1974)
University of California, San Diego (1982)
University of California, Santa Barbara (1995)
University of California, Santa Cruz (2019)
University of Colorado, Boulder (1966)
University of Florida (1985)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1908)
The University of Iowa (1909)
The University of Kansas (1909)
University of Maryland at College Park (1969)
University of Michigan (1900)
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (1908)
University of Missouri, Columbia (1908)
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1922)
University of Oregon (1969)
University of Pittsburgh (1974)
The University of Texas at Austin (1929)
The University of Utah (2019)
University of Virginia (1904)
University of Washington (1950)
The University of Wisconsin – Madison (1900)
AAU Member Universities - Private:
Boston University (2012)
Brandeis University (1985)
Brown University (1933)
California Institute of Technology (1934)
Carnegie Mellon University (1982)
Case Western Reserve University (1969)
Columbia University (1900)
Cornell University (1900)
Dartmouth College (2019)
Duke University (1938)
Emory University (1995)
Harvard University (1900)
The Johns Hopkins University (1900)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1934)
New York University (1950)
Northwestern University (1917)
Princeton University (1900)
Rice University (1985)
Stanford University (1900)
Tufts University (2021)
Tulane University (1958)
The University of Chicago (1900)
University of Pennsylvania (1900)
University of Rochester (1941)
University of Southern California (1969)
Vanderbilt University (1950)
Washington University in St. Louis (1923)
Yale University (1900)
AAU Member Universities - Canadian:
McGill University (1926)
University of Toronto (1926)
*NOTE: Nebraska is not AAU. Was when they joined, but no longer AAU.
I stand corrected. I am actually very surprised to see FL on this list. Gatorade did them well..... :need a laughing emoji:
If we’re doing this just go all in and bring in USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Notre Dame.
From a market perspective it’s definitely a win. Getting both major LA schools would obviously be a big coup for the B10.
Curious what some of the blue blood PAC 12 schools like Washington/Oregon/Stanford do from here.
USC/UCLA both bring extremely competent athletic programs to the Big & not just football. I think UCLA has the second most (USC is 3rd) national titles behind Stanford.
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Wow. This is seismic. Proof the king (NCAA) is dead. Conferences are the new king.
Gotta look at media value and market for anyone else to come on board.
With that in mind, U Washington (Seattle) and U Oregon (Nike) become incredibly valuable. Cal and Stanford in the next tier, and Colorado thereafter. ASU isn't AAU but gives the Phoenix market, which is valuable. U Arizona is AAU but not going to deliver Phoenix by itself.
Utah brings little to the table. The SLC market is not all that valuable.
How does the ACC react to this? Does this cause Duke/UNC/GaTech to jump?
With that in mind, U Washington (Seattle) and U Oregon (Nike) become incredibly valuable. Cal and Stanford in the next tier, and Colorado thereafter. ASU isn’t AAU but gives the Phoenix market, which is valuable. U Arizona is AAU but not going to deliver Phoenix by itself.
I would put Colorado ahead of Cal & Stanford. Colorado does bring the Denver region. Though UW and Seattle/suburbs is around 2M more than Denver/suburbs.
FWIW. The San Fran/Oakland/San Jose market is the 6th largest market. Seattle/Tacoma is 12th. Denver is 16th.
I don't get the Buffaloes love. Do they have many fans? Oregon, Stanford, and Cal are big names. Even Washington to a point, but I don't see them splitting from WSU.
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-market-size-nfl-mlb-nhl-nielsen-ratings/
Twitter speculation is that the BIG may not be done.
https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1542597968296964096?s=21&t=WfcBcRL8OwTNoPLIQUj-mw
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So when they become Big Ten members, with football and the Rosebowl if not a National championship game and one of those to schools win the Big Ten they will play their former conference champion?
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Ping North Carolina
It's official... USC & UCLA to join the B1G for the 2024 season.
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1542651949102891010?s=20&t=IZPXNdFNeC9DMFWcKtrK6Q
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When do we get to play the UCLA hockey team?
https://twitter.com/UCLAIceHockey/status/1542600028614602752
It appears it's still ongoing...
https://twitter.com/LaMikeBlack/status/1542652096373202950?t=tm6qJHGe3nXVvQMhOELJ0Q&s=19
Just for fun... with the BIG going from 14 to...
16 teams (2 divisions of 8 teams).
18 teams (3 divisions of 6 teams).
20 teams (4 divisions of 5 teams).
UCLA fans are already trolling Nebraska fans on Twitter. It’s hilarious
I have no doubt the B1G was going to pounce at the opportunity to force cable and satellite providers to add BTN to basic packages of their subscribers in the State of California, but that was remarkably fast. If talks have been going on for awhile, impressive that it's been kept under wraps.
I know I've been one of the voices poo-pooing the idea of ASU becoming the BTHC's eighth's team, but I would have only considered them if another Pac12 team, particularly USC or UCLA, were also interested in joining, so those two schools leaving the Pac12 kind of torpedoes that idea for me. Hopefully one of those schools elevating their club teams would offer a better alternative.
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It appears it’s still ongoing…
Oregon & Washington have applied to join the Big-10 from what @FifthQuarter has been told.
Should have a decision tonight. pic.twitter.com/gcJfTLdZC4— LaMike Black (@LaMikeBlack) June 30, 2022
My Wazzu relatives are going to be POed.
Possibly madder than when I told them MN was so unimpressed we came back to beat WSU in a bowl game we canned our coach shortly thereafter. :sweeping: :yahoo:
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Can we just stop calling it the big ten now? It doesn’t make sense anymore.
What was the impetus for these moves? I don’t follow college football at all.
I have to imagine someone’s pockets are going to be lined with money and that is the driving force behind this?
Can we just stop calling it the big ten now? It doesn’t make sense anymore.
What was the impetus for these moves? I don’t follow college football at all.I have to imagine someone’s pockets are going to be lined with money and that is the driving force behind this?
Money is the impetus
College football is basically becoming a much more decentralized pro league at this point.
Can we just stop calling it the big ten now? It doesn’t make sense anymore.
What was the impetus for these moves? I don’t follow college football at all.I have to imagine someone’s pockets are going to be lined with money and that is the driving force behind this?
Won’t happen.
Despite its name inaccuracies the B1G brand is huge.
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Dont get too caught up in names of the conference. The B1G has one of the best brands in sports, so who cares if it isn't descriptive. Everyone knows who you're talking about when you say Big Ten.
Two things at play here:
1. $$$ and I mean lots of $$$$$$$$$. The B1G media rights package is up for renewal, and this is all about maximizing potential exposure. Getting big markets with lots of alumni into the mix means LOTS more $$$$ for each school to share. The current thought is the U of M could take home more than $100M PER YEAR in it's share from the conference. That's up from $20M when it formed the BTN and $45M currently. That funds athletic departments by itself.
As the B1G looks around for more joiners, each school would need to add to that figure. It'll get harder and harder to do so.
2. The NCAA clearly did not get an antitrust exemption in the Alston Supreme Court case and Congress has shown no desire to give them one on their own. As a result, Conferences will have more authority to discipline their own and run things that the NCAA has traditionally ran. So, getting more like-minded schools under the big tent will be important, as the NCAA is moving to a model where conferences will run the show for their own members and the NCAA will do less. Much, much less.
It may even be the end of NCAA championships as we know them, replaced by conference driven alliances like the BCS.
In the background, NIL is changing the playing field for athlete compensation and where athletes want to go to school.
It's an interesting time for college sports. More to come.
Always curious what Notre Dame sees when these conference changes happen. Would $100 million plus a year from conference revenues offset their NBC deal and suddenly make it attractive to align?? Have to figure that school would absolutely move the needle.
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Yes this will expand the television footprint, but I also see this as not a great thing for hockey on BTN. With more schools means more games and less airtime for hockey.
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Yes this will expand the television footprint, but I also see this as not a great thing for hockey on BTN. With more schools means more games and less airtime for hockey.
This could happen. Or the conference will have so much $$ that spending a tiny fraction of it to air events on one of their 20 secondary channels they don't currently use will become more common.
Yes this will expand the television footprint, but I also see this as not a great thing for hockey on BTN. With more schools means more games and less airtime for hockey.
I'm hopeful they putm oney into a decent streaming package. This would make sense for all the tier 2 sports that don't quite have the numbers for TV but would still make money on streaming.
Yes this will expand the television footprint, but I also see this as not a great thing for hockey on BTN. With more schools means more games and less airtime for hockey.
This could happen. Or the conference will have so much $$ that spending a tiny fraction of it to air events on one of their 20 secondary channels they don’t currently use will become more common.
Those extra channels are used for football ONLY... It is very expensive to do and the revenue from football is the only sport that allows them to use those extra channels.
Streaming is here and will be the main way of watching BigTen sports very soon.
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I have no interest in Notre Dame (or Colorado).
Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, UNC would all be decent options if they feel the need to add more.
It’s interesting it looks like the BIG is the only network that owns a portion of their Conference TV channel. Even the SEC network is owned wholly by ESPN and Hearst Corp. Would be nice if this influx of cash prompted an upgrade of the BTN broadcast from 720p to 1080p…
It won’t happen with Fox owning 61% of it… and Fox still broadcasting NFL games in 720p…but still a guy can dream.
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First of all this move is dumb. I dont care about media rights I dont work for the Big Ten or the U. I care about watching my team play and the more these conferences become stupid big (with more to come) the less I care. Playing UCLA does nothing for me outside of The Rose Bowl. (or a random non-con game like when we played Cal)
Don't get caught up in AAU membership, the conference will buckle for the right team bringing the right market. Academics will sit and pout but the schools will let it happen.
This is the end of divisions. The Big Ten was looking to scrap them anyways and now they would be near impossible. Look for them to go to a pod style schedule once this happens. How that will work for the BTTG I have no idea but you can bet your ass they will make it so our new west coast friends have a nice path there.
I have no interest in Notre Dame (or Colorado).
Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, UNC would all be decent options if they feel the need to add more.
I didn't think UW would go without WSU, but now it wounds as if UW and UO are a package deal with each school wanting a guarantee to play WSU and OSU once per year. It feels like losing North Dakota in the move from WCHA, but doing so in all sports. That's a HUGE shift to make sure you don't miss out on the B1G Cash Cow.
You'd think Standford/Cal would make more sense with the size of their TV market. Maybe they take all 4 and close it out with 20 members? Interesting times.
What will the odds be of the Gophers winning a Big10 football title in the future?
You’d think Standford/Cal would make more sense with the size of their TV market. Maybe they take all 4 and close it out with 20 members? Interesting times.
I'm thinking more and more since the news of UCLA/USC and the BIG is not done that'll it'll go to 20. And having 4 divisions of 5 teams.
There won't be any divisions. It'll be pods or having a certain amount of rivalry/annual opponents plus a rotation.
Personally, I like it. It will expand the conference footprint to an extremely important media market which means it will help bring in bigger annual TV contract money for the Gopher athletic department.
The reality of the matter is college sports is becoming more and more about media money. If you aren't attached to the B1G or the SEC, you are going to lose ground. You don't want to get left out of that financial windfall because you will have a tough time in the long run.
Not to mention, it would be fun to see the Gophers competing with USC, UCLA, etc. in different sports.
The odds of at least playing for it were decent in divisions. Win the West and you have a shot. Now it will likely be a playoff format like the NFL with pod winners so the chances diminish.
The Big Ten will almost certainly go to 20. The Superconference model is now in play.
I care about playing USC and UCLA about as much as I do Maryland and Rutgers.
Here is my admittedly uninformed opinion. For universities, being AAU is a big deal. They look at them as peers and it goes beyond sports. It helps build research consortiums, and that is also big $. And the Big Ten has cornered the market. It also happens that AAU schools with Division 1 sports are in big metro areas that bring in eyeballs to BIG10 Network. So who is left from this group? UW, Colorado, Cal, Stanford, Duke, UNC, Utah, and Arizona — Seattle, Denver, Bay Area, Charlotte, SLC, and Phoenix. Each make sense.
But I would also propose a couple of other Dark Horses — UCSD and Georgia Tech. And Tulane?
I think any AAU school that has division I football, is in a major metro area, and not in SEC and/or Ivy is on table.
One question is would an exception be made for Notre Dame (if they are interested). ND is interesting because it is not a traditional research University , but the research engine has went up considerably. It is also not in a major metro area, unless you consider them a "Chicago" school — and they are the "national" program.
When do we get to play the UCLA hockey team?
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So if USC and UCLA change there hockey teams from club teams to Division 1 hockey it just means more fun road trips for The Pride On Ice team :sieve:
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How important is AAU status? For some schools, darned important.
One example. while Florida State is tied to ACC contractually through 2036, a school like FSU had abandoned becoming an AAU school when then Governor Rick Scott forced the totally unqualified John Thrasher in 2014 onto the FSU board as president (to become an AAU school the academic qualifications of leaders matter) as part of a political favor and cronyism. It is no surprise that FSU's recently appointed new president was provost of research at Harvard. They lost a decade to achieve the AAU goal. Since it is not an AAU school, it has little options except to stay in ACC ( with a much smaller market share of TV/streaming as most of schools are in smaller cities), or try to go hat in hand to get into SEC. And if you think there is hated rivals of Minnesota in hockey, amplify this 1000x in these football schools in the south. People rent cars to go to away games, because their cars will get vandalized.
The AAU issues also applies to schools like U of Miami, NC State, AZ state, Clemson …. Unless there will be reasons for the SEC to bring them in, they will be relegated to somewhere between the big dogs and mid-majors