The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
Since were are now saving money at QB we have more money for veteran players which means we don't need as many young cheaper players playing so we don't need as many draft picks overall.
We were able to sign multiple defensive guys in free agency that will be factors this season.
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
Since were are now saving money at QB we have more money for veteran players which means we don't need as many young cheaper players playing so we don't need as many draft picks overall.
We were able to sign multiple defensive guys in free agency that will be factors this season.
Hitting on mid round picks is a key to putting together a good team. I’m fine with doing it for a QB you really love or a defensive player you really love but not both. They gutted the middle of this years and next years drafts so these dudes better work out.
The runs on QBs, O-lineman and now defensive players has lined up so well that the Bills can trade back and still get a good WR at 32.
The Bills who need WRs trade down from #28 to #32 with the Chiefs who pick a WR. Will the Bills now take a different WR at #32?
The Bills and Chiefs trading is interesting since they both have similar needs.
The Bills likely made this trade so they could pick last in the 1st round for the first time ever. 😉
The Bills who need WRs trade down from #28 to #32 with the Chiefs who pick a WR. Will the Bills now take a different WR at #32?
The Bills and Chiefs trading is interesting since they both have similar needs.
I’m thinking the Bills didn’t think Worthy fit with their system but would fall to the Chiefs anyway so took advantage of the situation when the Chiefs offered? Maybe they like Legette better?
The problem is Worthy fits perfect with KC and the Bills don’t have a great history trading with them.
Does the 49ers taking a WR in the 1st round mean Aiyuk or Deebo gets traded?
Bills trade back again
The Bills trade back again this time with Carolina to move from #32 to #33. Carolina takes a WR Xavier Legette.
The Bills keep trading back and now three more WRs are gone. I wonder what Josh Allen is thinking right now?
And Carolina takes Legette…the Bills must have a sleeper WR they REALLY like.
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
There’s more than one reason the Vikings haven’t won a superbowl, this is one. When good teams feel they’re close, moving up now to sell some future makes sense. The Vikings are not close to there and are kidding themselves if they think they are. Next years draft looks like they can fill it with a snack bag and if they’re planning on giving JJ the mega contract of all time, the draft will be a little important.
7 WRs were picked in round 1.
There are tons of trades in the draft every year (we saw it again today with 7 trades) and not just by teams when they are close to making the Super Bowl. It is about getting certain guys that fit well into your offensive/defensive systems. Obviously some moves are going to work well and some wouldn't. Kwesi and KOC have been here for a little over 2 years. Time will tell how the moves they make end up working and it will determine how long they are here. Changing your GM and coach every 3/4 years is the best way to guarantee not having success. It take multiple years to get enough players who fit well into your system and every time you change the coach and GM the process starts over.
Feels like Legette would have been a great fit for the Bills, not sure why they passed.
JJ McCarthy on Sportcenter in a few minutes
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
There’s more than one reason the Vikings haven’t won a superbowl, this is one. When good teams feel they’re close, moving up now to sell some future makes sense. The Vikings are not close to there and are kidding themselves if they think they are. Next years draft looks like they can fill it with a snack bag and if they’re planning on giving JJ the mega contract of all time, the draft will be a little important.
I'm sure you know better than they do...
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
There’s more than one reason the Vikings haven’t won a superbowl, this is one. When good teams feel they’re close, moving up now to sell some future makes sense. The Vikings are not close to there and are kidding themselves if they think they are. Next years draft looks like they can fill it with a snack bag and if they’re planning on giving JJ the mega contract of all time, the draft will be a little important.
I'm sure you know better than they do...
I absolutely whole heartedly disagree. I mean completely disagree. You’re better than this😁
Are they going to let us know what we traded to move up twice?
are the Vikings done drafting this year?
A 4 and 5 to move up 1 spot to get McCarthy. Should have stayed at 11 and took Nix.
It was a late 4th round and a late 5th round getting back a late 6th round.
The Vikings clearly valued JJ McCarthy more than Bo Nix.
There were multiple mock draft by "experts" who had the Vikings trading with the Chargers to take McCarthy at 5 giving up both 1st round pick this season and 2025 1st round pick.
I'm glad they were able to get JJ while not having to give up any where near that much.
JJ to JJ & TJ (plus Addison)
Nix just had the most accurate passing season in college football history, seems prefect for KOCs system. There’s question about his arm strength but some of the best QBs in history had average arm strength.
He also had the 193rd ranked Average Depth of Target in all of D1 (FBS and FCS) at 6.9 yards (out of 200 qualified passers).
Per PFF, in the 2023 season 27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.
With 57% of his passes coming from behind the LOS to 9 yards downfield, I'd certainly hope a first round pick is completing a high percentage of them.
For comparison, the other 5 QBs were 9.2 for Caleb Williams, 10.3 for McCarthy, 10.5 for Daniels, 11.0 for Maye and 11.3 for Penix.
People on Twitter who complained about the checkdowns from our previous QBs but were pining for Nix baffled me all winter.
The Vikings will likely get one or more compensatory picks in 2025 which likely played into the willingness to trade away some 2025 picks.
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
You act like the team has no way to get 3rd and 4th round picks for next season if they want one. It's likely the Vikings will multiple compensatory picks for losing guys to free agency. As it sits right now, the Vikings are in line to receive two 3rd round compensatory picks in the 2025 draft. There's a lot more detail to it but essentially the Vikings have lost 6 "CFAs" (Compensatory Free Agents) in free agency and only signed 4 (the 6 being Kirk, Danielle, KJ Osborne, Jordan Hicks, Marcus Davenport, and DJ Wonnum; the 4 they signed being Jonathan Bullard, Andrew Van Ginkel, Blake Cashman, and Sam Darnold). Since the Vikings are in the negative on the CFAs, they'd receive at least 2 picks and due to the caliber of player they lost--particularly with Kirk and Danielle-- the compensation will likely be at the end of the 3rd round.
Plus the NFL could feasibly take a mid-round pick from the Falcons and give it to MN for their tampering penalty with Cousins.
That, coupled with the expected large salary cap space they will have next season to sign free agents means Kwesi and KOC could be far more aggressive to go up and get difference makers in the draft this year. Dallas Turner slid down the board and by many accounts was the best defensive player in the draft, he fits a position of need, and is a guy that I'm sure Brian Flores was pounding the table to go up and get. Had the Vikings not gone QB at 11 in a doomsday scenario where the top 5 were all gone (well, 10 after the trade) I'm fairly confident they were going to take Turner at 11. When he slid and the cost to move up and get their guy was mostly already replaced mid-round picks? That's a no-brainer decision IMO.
And Carolina takes Legette…the Bills must have a sleeper WR they REALLY like.
Adonai Mitchell seems to be a perfect fit in Buffalo if that's the route they take.
They also reportedly had met with Ladd McConkey and Keon Coleman on multiple occasions.
My guess is they probably had all of them rated pretty closely behind Thomas so when he was off the board they opted to trade down and accumulate more picks since they lost half their team to FA.
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
There’s more than one reason the Vikings haven’t won a superbowl, this is one. When good teams feel they’re close, moving up now to sell some future makes sense. The Vikings are not close to there and are kidding themselves if they think they are. Next years draft looks like they can fill it with a snack bag and if they’re planning on giving JJ the mega contract of all time, the draft will be a little important.
As it sits right now the Vikings have a little over $100million in salary cap space for the 2025 season IF the cap doesn't go up at all. And it will definitely go up.
Even if you attribute 40 million of that to JJ (which is a little steep, he's probably going to get more like 36-37 million IMO), that gives them more than 60 million to spend on free agents at minimum. That's a pretty huge number. And that is before you factor in any contract renegotiations, player cuts, etc.
They'll have plenty of money to retool the roster next year even if they don't have a bunch of draft picks, which as CHA and I addressed early, they will be getting some compensatory picks back. Plus if they're that concerned about building more depth through the draft they can always trade down in the first round. As we see every year, teams are always willing to trade up/down.
Anyone complaining about trading up one spot to pick JJ McCarthy & six spots to pick arguably the best edge rusher in the draft…is a pure Debbie Downer, typical cynical fan, go pull for Green Bay if U don’t like these moves! Kwesi hit it out of the park IMHO! Well done!The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
There’s more than one reason the Vikings haven’t won a superbowl, this is one. When good teams feel they’re close, moving up now to sell some future makes sense. The Vikings are not close to there and are kidding themselves if they think they are. Next years draft looks like they can fill it with a snack bag and if they’re planning on giving JJ the mega contract of all time, the draft will be a little important.
1. There are indications at least 2 other teams were interested in the 10 for JJ
2. Vikings history before Kwesi has nothing to do with this draft
Went do so many sports fans think what a franchise did in the past has anything to do with its present? Owners change, GMs change, coaches change, players change, hell fans die off and are replaced.
If this pick does fail it will have nothing to do with 1976, 1989, 1998....
The Vikings will likely get one or more compensatory picks in 2025 which likely played into the willingness to trade away some 2025 picks.
Good article, my thoughts are the picks were good, but if selling off the future draft then not thrilled about it. Not losing those mid round picks makes more sense knowing that factor’d into it yep.
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
There’s more than one reason the Vikings haven’t won a superbowl, this is one. When good teams feel they’re close, moving up now to sell some future makes sense. The Vikings are not close to there and are kidding themselves if they think they are. Next years draft looks like they can fill it with a snack bag and if they’re planning on giving JJ the mega contract of all time, the draft will be a little important.
1. There are indications at least 2 other teams were interested in the 10 for JJ
2. Vikings history before Kwesi has nothing to do with this draft
Went do so many sports fans think what a franchise did in the past has anything to do with its present? Owners change, GMs change, coaches change, players change, hell fans die off and are replaced.
If this pick does fail it will have nothing to do with 1976, 1989, 1998....
Correct, I should trust the Vikings coach and G.M better, it’s not like any of the others have given me a reason not too. 😏
I'm skeptical that JJ will turn out to be a great QB, but our hand was forced once we let Kirk go (and we kind of had to with Kirk's price tag). It will be interesting to see how this year's QB class is viewed 5 years from now.
Last night was one of the most fun events/games I’ve vended beer or worked. It was lively pick by pick until the Vikings picked.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Anyone complaining about trading up one spot to pick JJ McCarthy & six spots to pick arguably the best edge rusher in the draft…is a pure Debbie Downer, typical cynical fan, go pull for Green Bay if U don’t like these moves! Kwesi hit it out of the park IMHO! Well done!The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
Totally agree. Like stated above, they should have plenty of salary cap room to sign free agents. And they will be getting some compensatory picks. Well done Vikings, now lets hope the draft picks turn out good!
As I approach 50 years old I think back at the QBs that the Vikings have drafted, in my memory, to potentially be a franchise level QB. The list of 1st round Qbs is short.
Daunte Culpepper (11th Overall)- Showed great promise despite tiny hands and fumblitis. Earned a 10 year, $100M contract. Ultimately had a shortened career due to injury.
Christian Ponder (12th Overall)- I don't think anyone ever expected Ponder to be a good QB. Vikings liked his high level of intelligence and ignored the fact he wasn't a QB.
Teddy Bridgewater (32nd Overall)- Despite being a late 1st rounder most people were hoping he'd be the franchise QB they've long awaited. He showed great promise and was highly likeable. Devastating injury ended his career much too short.
JJ McCarthy is the first Top 10 QB draft pick in my memory and one of only 3 QB whom I remember the Vikings drafting with a real shot at being a franchise QB. Who knows how he will turn out, but it's nice to have a bit of optimism at this position for the near future. Having 2 young stud WRs is great too.
On paper I give the Vikings A maybe even an A+ for their 2 picks last night. Pretty much got the 2 guys they wanted for very little to nothing. 3rd round picks and beyond are a dime a dozen. By Sunday morning they very well can have very similar picks to the ones they gave up for next year.
Keep your stick on the ice...
I agree.. I also think it’s COMICAL there are a handful of people saying “we gave up tooOn paper I give the Vikings A maybe even an A+ for their 2 picks last night. Pretty much got the 2 guys they wanted for very little to nothing. 3rd round picks and beyond are a dime a dozen. By Sunday morning they very well can have very similar picks to the ones they gave up for next year.
much to move up”…. probably mostly the same people who would have been okay giving up 3 1st round picks for McCarthy 3 days ago…. Any pick after the 3rd round is a complete flyer.
I do enjoy the JJ McCarthy haters now being such fans.
I have to chuckle at members of the Iowa sports media and Iowa rubes that are all "How can Cooper DeJean fall out of the 1st round?" I'm just not surprised that he fell out of the 1st considering his injury last fall. I'm sure he is fine physically but I don't see an NFL team putting up 1st round money on a guy who fractured his fibula in a practice. Beyond that Coop is more potential than proven at CB, special teams will be where he will get to shine. The two best Iowa DB's that were drafted in the last 10 years were Desmond King in the 5th round and Riley Moss in the 3rd. So if Coop gets drafted in the 2nd that is still a win for Iowa and Coop.
Anyway, I still just have to laugh at Iowa fans and media with this.
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Laughing at Iowa fans is a hobby of mine.I have to chuckle at members of the Iowa sports media and Iowa rubes that are all "How can Cooper DeJean fall out of the 1st round?" I'm just not surprised that he fell out of the 1st considering his injury last fall. I'm sure he is fine physically but I don't see an NFL team putting up 1st round money on a guy who fractured his fibula in a practice. Beyond that Coop is more potential than proven at CB, special teams will be where he will get to shine. The two best Iowa DB's that were drafted in the last 10 years were Desmond King in the 5th round and Riley Moss in the 3rd. So if Coop gets drafted in the 2nd that is still a win for Iowa and Coop.
Anyway, I still just have to laugh at Iowa fans and media with this.
Illegal Fair Catch Signal.....he he. It's easy!
I love how JJ was on a call with the Vikings and some hockey player that wore the #99 was calling JJ at the same time.
Illegal Fair Catch Signal.....he he. It's easy!
That same group hasn't got over that yet either... 🤨
I am the official Iowa Hawkeye football fan of GPL!
I agree.. I also think it’s COMICAL there are a handful of people saying “we gave up too
much to move up”…. probably mostly the same people who would have been okay giving up 3 1st round picks for McCarthy 3 days ago…. Any pick after the 3rd round is a complete flyer.
Agree. What we don't know is what other teams were also trying to facilitate a trade with the Jets and what they were offering. I'm guessing the Vikes must have sniffed out other interest and decided it was critical to be proactive. Atlanta doing its 'thing' probably added a level of concern to the Viking brain trust.
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I do enjoy the JJ McCarthy haters now being such fans.
I still don't much like him...but he is the QB now so not much I can do about it and I just hope I am wrong 
I like him better than Nix though!
The Vikings needed a QB and they drafted one. They didn't reach for him, they didn't make some bizarre choice because they were enamored with someone, they drafted the guy most experts seemed to think they would/should draft and did so in a good spot. Wasn't that what we were all saying we wanted months ago? On top of that they drafted another area of need and seemed to do pretty good on that front as well.
2 months ago if we had said the first round went this way I doubt anyone would have complained...but since it happened it had to be because it was a mistake. Hilarious to watch if not tragic...
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
There’s more than one reason the Vikings haven’t won a superbowl, this is one. When good teams feel they’re close, moving up now to sell some future makes sense. The Vikings are not close to there and are kidding themselves if they think they are. Next years draft looks like they can fill it with a snack bag and if they’re planning on giving JJ the mega contract of all time, the draft will be a little important.
1. There are indications at least 2 other teams were interested in the 10 for JJ
2. Vikings history before Kwesi has nothing to do with this draft
Went do so many sports fans think what a franchise did in the past has anything to do with its present? Owners change, GMs change, coaches change, players change, hell fans die off and are replaced.
If this pick does fail it will have nothing to do with 1976, 1989, 1998....
Correct, I should trust the Vikings coach and G.M better, it’s not like any of the others have given me a reason not too. 😏
I am fully aware of the Vikings track record at my age, but why should the failures of previous GMs make it x% likely that Kwesi will also fail? How did New England, Denver and Tampa Bay ever overcome years of failure to finally win multiple Super Bowls?
The jets are too much invested in the now to take a qb when it’s about winning with Rogers. The jets cashed in on the Vikings going into panic mode after penix was off the board unexpectedly. Personally I think McCarthy would’ve been there at 11 anyway and a 3,4 and 5th round for turner I think is something you’d do if your expectations are contending for a superbowl this year but next years draft will now suck and will be last in the division this year anyway. I don’t see the point.
I vehemently disagree with all of this. I mean legit all of it.
There’s more than one reason the Vikings haven’t won a superbowl, this is one. When good teams feel they’re close, moving up now to sell some future makes sense. The Vikings are not close to there and are kidding themselves if they think they are. Next years draft looks like they can fill it with a snack bag and if they’re planning on giving JJ the mega contract of all time, the draft will be a little important.
1. There are indications at least 2 other teams were interested in the 10 for JJ
2. Vikings history before Kwesi has nothing to do with this draft
Went do so many sports fans think what a franchise did in the past has anything to do with its present? Owners change, GMs change, coaches change, players change, hell fans die off and are replaced.
If this pick does fail it will have nothing to do with 1976, 1989, 1998....
Correct, I should trust the Vikings coach and G.M better, it’s not like any of the others have given me a reason not too. 😏
I am fully aware of the Vikings track record at my age, but why should the failures of previous GMs make it x% likely that Kwesi will also fail? How did New England, Denver and Tampa Bay ever overcome years of failure to finally win multiple Super Bowls?
obviously it has nothing to do with current front office/coach. I bleed purple believe it or not, it’s just been enough bleeding. I’m so ready for a special change in culture I’ve just learned to expect the worst and hope for the best and for them to prove me wrong. I’d imagine the other fan bases you mentioned had that percentage of fan (optimistically negative I suppose). I hope their picks become epic ones because it’s frustrating to see the north no longer having automatic 4 wins in it that we counted on for awhile. Just my two cents.
I agree.. I also think it’s COMICAL there are a handful of people saying “we gave up tooOn paper I give the Vikings A maybe even an A+ for their 2 picks last night. Pretty much got the 2 guys they wanted for very little to nothing. 3rd round picks and beyond are a dime a dozen. By Sunday morning they very well can have very similar picks to the ones they gave up for next year.
much to move up”…. probably mostly the same people who would have been okay giving up 3 1st round picks for McCarthy 3 days ago…. Any pick after the 3rd round is a complete flyer.
I agree. To me, it is all close to a wash when you consider how much people were assuming the Vikings would have to give up just to get high enough to grab McCarthy alone. The jury is obviously out on whether McCarthy will be a really good pick but I liked the moves.
I also feel people vastly overrate the value of mid to late round picks. Especially the draft "gurus" and their value charts. I am not saying those mid to late round guys never become valuable contributors but the "hit rate" on them as big time contributors (across the NFL) isn't nearly as high as some fans seem to think. A lot of those guys drafted in those rounds either don't make it after a few years or they end up as backups and special teams contributors. To me, those are the kinds of guys you can find in free agency.
I'd rather be more aggressive in the early rounds at the expense of some draft "depth" than to be trading back all the time like Spielman and ending up with a half a dozen picks in the 5th through 7th rounds.
I am not totally sold on Kwesi but I respect that he showed some guts and went after it. Plus, those compensatory picks we will get will soften the blow further.
I think the Falcons GM job should be in play after signing Cousins then drafting Penix.🤔 😀
https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/vikings-dallas-turner-favorite-defensive-rookie-year
Seems Turner could turn out to be a great move. I possibly slightly overreacted 😉
This is brilliant.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.