My question is how NIL works for future recruits. How does Bob know how much NIL money he will have when a recruit hits campus in 2 or 3 years? Or, are the players we are recruiting not worried about that and the fact they are playing for a premier program out weighs the recruits NIL concerns?
i would assume they have them meet with someone, discuss components of NIL here, deals they've seen their athletes sign, what they get access to. I'd guess its much less about dollars per se (given how far out they're committing and that the amounts are so much less comparatively), but about presenting the package you'll get on signing including scholarship, revenue sharing, listing of DTA deals/NIL opportunities. Little different if you're pulling out of the CHL for someone who's coming down right away or in the portal. Haven't seen any big amounts thrown around about 16 year olds who are going to play 1-2 more years before coming to campus.
So when it comes to offering scholarships, how does it work?
For recruits that have interest in the U:
Would Bob extend multiple offers for 5 people and allude to the fact that he's anticipating 3 spots available, or is he literally going down the line:
Choice 1 says no, move to Choice 2, Choice 2 says no, move to Choice 3.
I realize the actual process is a little more nuanced than that in either approach, but I'm curious how the balance is struck so you don't miss out on all the top recruits waiting for your number 1 to decide.
lot more offers at once. then you circle back to your top guys as guys start committing and fill them in on space. there are certain guys you'll "make space" for no matter when they want to commit and others that you'll tell them the offer is no longer commitable. But i would very much doubt Bob offers anyone at any point he wouldn't be comfortable with them committing on the spot. Envision a lot of these coaches have some good headwinds on what kids are thinking well prior to 8/1 rolling around so its not like they're just entering a crap shoot. And if you bring in extra high end guys, they all know this is a business and you also have the advantage of guys can play juniors or stop gap you some extra years if they don't develop. Adds some challenge but I also won't be surprised to see more coaches use the numerous areas guys can play now more to their advantage (like we are doing with Phillips and Kvasnicka this year)
tbh i don't really think we recruit the type of guys in early august you're going to worry about "overcommitting".
My question is how NIL works for future recruits. How does Bob know how much NIL money he will have when a recruit hits campus in 2 or 3 years? Or, are the players we are recruiting not worried about that and the fact they are playing for a premier program out weighs the recruits NIL concerns?
i would assume they have them meet with someone, discuss components of NIL here, deals they've seen their athletes sign, what they get access to. I'd guess its much less about dollars per se (given how far out they're committing and that the amounts are so much less comparatively), but about presenting the package you'll get on signing including scholarship, revenue sharing, listing of DTA deals/NIL opportunities. Little different if you're pulling out of the CHL for someone who's coming down right away or in the portal. Haven't seen any big amounts thrown around about 16 year olds who are going to play 1-2 more years before coming to campus.
This is the most well-thought out, reasonable estimation of the process that I’ve seen. I’m not an insider, but I am a corporate attorney, have seen lots of similar moves undertaken in structuring a deal and figuring out who should fill what role when executing a given transaction under XYZ laws and rules.
To nitpick, the offer package itself is probably less “here’s what we at [insert school] can promise you”, and more “here’s the 3 most lucrative NIL deals among current players; here’s the % of athletes with NIL deals across the entire athletics dept; here’s the median deal $, mean deal $, a direct comparable for you, and these are our major donors.”
People all across college sports really need to keep in mind that NIL =/= pay-to-play, even if it seems like both models have the same end result. Sadly the media gets a lot of traction and clicks by obfuscating how NIL deals actually work.
Any well-run athletics department that has NCAA compliance on their minds, in good faith, is mostly going to be acting as a facilitator. The school’s role is to connect donors with athletes’ “family advisors” and maybe articulate to donors what the AD’s priorities are, so as to shepherd NIL $ towards this or that sport, project, etc. All done with a very light touch.
Also, you can safely disregard the rumor mill as far as NIL deal amounts go. It’s a black box, none of the numbers will ever be truly verifiable, and everyone involved has a vested interest in inflating how much NIL money is in play. Small schools want to push their narrative about NIL. Big schools want the recruits to think ADs are throwing fat stacks of cash around. The athletes want to set their own prices as high as possible. Media personalities want to stir the pot.
P.S. Been meaning to catch up on the recent GPL w/ skiumahlaw. It would be quite funny if it turned out that we’ve worked together as co-counsel or as counterparties in the past.
The point is, nobody has the foggiest clue who is next in line? If they’d of won the NC in 2023 they cud afford to let tBob be Red Berenson. Unfortunately that isn’t the case.Huh, who’s ire is being drawn? lol, I don’t think they’ll take much of a step back in 25-26, but conversely, it’s a legitimate concern when many of these new recruits will be playing for a different HC before their careers at the U conclude (with no successor in clear sight).Neither observation at face value drew anyone's ire.
How far out do you want them to name a successor?? Is there supposed to be one in clear sight with 3 years left on Bob’s contract?
it will be the same names thrown around.
raboin, potulny, ferschweiler and
I am terrified at the idea of Potulny as the heir apparent to tBob. Northern Michigan has completely imploded under Potulny, who then washed his hands of it and ran away to the AHL.
For starters they imploded after he left. NM was actually pretty consistent under Grant. Idk what expectations Northern has but Grant hung around the 20 win mark pretty consistently there which is decent. Didn’t he have the #1 recruiting class in the country when he left too?
Also I don’t think he’d be #1 on the list he’d just be the best alumni option.
1) Barr
2) Potulny
3) Raboin
That’d be my shortlist.
(1) NMU imploded with Potulny still at the helm.
(a) He didn’t leave for Hartford until well into last summer, long after all his players had entered the portal. There’s a few soundbites and comments he gave to media about the whole thing, as then-head coach of NMU.
(b) “#1 recruiting class” is meaningless. Those clickbait blog rankings are largely based on how many players are coming in, not how good those players are. The methodology used in those rankings basically amounts to “15x 2-star recruits = 6x 5-star recruits”, any puck knower can see how absurd that is. He lost a lot, was replacing a ton, then dipped out and washed his hands of it all.
I mean, look at NMU’s record this past season, does that seem like the kind of record a “#1 recruiting class” would earn?
Good points. Grant wouldn’t be my first option but he’ll definitely get an interview. I feel he could recruit pretty well but after that idk.
A story on the Minnesotans joining Shattuck’s 14U team this season. Those with more knowledge than me can tell us if Carter Crowley is Mike’s son? Also, who knew Trent Tucker had a hockey playing son?
https://www.youthhockeyhub.com/news_article/show/1345313
I’m pretty positive that’s Mike’s son.
Trent Tucker had two sons on EP Bantam AA team last year.
Also, who knew Trent Tucker had a hockey playing son?
You mean you don't listen to KSTP radio on Saturday mornings at 8 am? It comes up in conversation on the basketball show, and at 10 am when Pat Micheletti talks about hallway conversations with Trent as they exchange seats in the booth.
A story on the Minnesotans joining Shattuck’s 14U team this season. Those with more knowledge than me can tell us if Carter Crowley is Mike’s son? Also, who knew Trent Tucker had a hockey playing son?
This team is full of guys that will be recruited hard by the staff in a few years
I used to see Trent at the Super rink a couple times per year during tournaments. I assumed the players were TT's grandkids as he's 65 years old. I couldn't imagine having kids at 50. I would cry.I’m pretty positive that’s Mike’s son.
Trent Tucker had two sons on EP Bantam AA team last year.
I assumed the players were TT's grandkids as he's 65 years old. I couldn't imagine having kids at 50. I would cry.
I became a grandfather at the ripe old age of 51 last summer...love the gig at this age but I'm with you, put me in a rubber room if I had a kid of my own at this age.
I am the official Iowa Hawkeye football fan of GPL!
I used to see Trent at the Super rink a couple times per year during tournaments. I assumed the players were TT's grandkids as he's 65 years old. I couldn't imagine having kids at 50. I would cry.I’m pretty positive that’s Mike’s son.
Trent Tucker had two sons on EP Bantam AA team last year.
I was born when my dad was 54. I didn't realize that was weird until middle school at least.
Star Tribune article on recruiting starting earlier and earlier for MN prep stars had a quote from Fitzhenry stating he has visited his Top 3 schools in Minnesota, Michigan, and St. Thomas.
One of these is not like the others.
Star Tribune article on recruiting starting earlier and earlier for MN prep stars had a quote from Fitzhenry stating he has visited his Top 3 schools in Minnesota, Michigan, and St. Thomas.
I believe that St. Thomas will be consistently a top choice for Minnesotans in the years to come. Great school with a lot to offer in state kids.
Star Tribune article on recruiting starting earlier and earlier for MN prep stars had a quote from Fitzhenry stating he has visited his Top 3 schools in Minnesota, Michigan, and St. Thomas.
Fitzhenry and Schneider were both interviewed but it was actually Schneider mentioning Gophers, Michigan and St. Thomas.
“It felt like yesterday I was a little kid playing hockey, but now they’re calling you,” said Schneider, who went from leading the Hornets to the state semifinals in March to playing for the U.S. junior national team this summer. So far he has visited the Gophers, Michigan and St. Thomas, his top three schools.
I could see how a St Thomas grad would think that but I just don't see what St Thomas has to offer than Minnesota and Michigan don't. Smaller class sizes?I believe that St. Thomas will be consistently a top choice for Minnesotans in the years to come. Great school with a lot to offer in state kids.
Different conference?
I could see how a St Thomas grad would think that but I just don't see what St Thomas has to offer than Minnesota and Michigan don't. Smaller class sizes?I believe that St. Thomas will be consistently a top choice for Minnesotans in the years to come. Great school with a lot to offer in state kids.
Different conference?
I agree that it’s silly- but I’d bet a lot of money that in kids’ heads, the appeal of UST boils down to (1) plenty of Edina/EP/Lake conf. buddies (2) easy access to Dinky on the weekends, lol; some element of (3) less media/fan spotlight and expectations
I could see how a St Thomas grad would think that but I just don't see what St Thomas has to offer than Minnesota and Michigan don't. Smaller class sizes?I believe that St. Thomas will be consistently a top choice for Minnesotans in the years to come. Great school with a lot to offer in state kids.
Different conference?
I don't think St. Thomas has to recruit at those levels, but it's pretty easy to imagine them being a more popular destination for MN kids than UMD, St. Cloud, Mankato etc. which allows you to build a pretty solid team and beat out the U for recruits occasionally.
Of course, but I would never expect UST to be in the final three with UMN and UMI.I could see how a St Thomas grad would think that but I just don't see what St Thomas has to offer than Minnesota and Michigan don't. Smaller class sizes?I believe that St. Thomas will be consistently a top choice for Minnesotans in the years to come. Great school with a lot to offer in state kids.
Different conference?
I don't think St. Thomas has to recruit at those levels, but it's pretty easy to imagine them being a more popular destination for MN kids than UMD, St. Cloud, Mankato etc. which allows you to build a pretty solid team and beat out the U for recruits occasionally.
Its weird. Maybe dad is an alum and wants UST to get a mention?
Of course, but I would never expect UST to be in the final three with UMN and UMI.I could see how a St Thomas grad would think that but I just don't see what St Thomas has to offer than Minnesota and Michigan don't. Smaller class sizes?I believe that St. Thomas will be consistently a top choice for Minnesotans in the years to come. Great school with a lot to offer in state kids.
Different conference?
I don't think St. Thomas has to recruit at those levels, but it's pretty easy to imagine them being a more popular destination for MN kids than UMD, St. Cloud, Mankato etc. which allows you to build a pretty solid team and beat out the U for recruits occasionally.
Its weird. Maybe dad is an alum and wants UST to get a mention?
Or maybe they're just Catholic. Could see it being a popular option for STA and CDH kids especially.
Then Notre Dame or BC? I would just expect a top recruit to go to a big program with as many eyeballs as possible.Of course, but I would never expect UST to be in the final three with UMN and UMI.I could see how a St Thomas grad would think that but I just don't see what St Thomas has to offer than Minnesota and Michigan don't. Smaller class sizes?I believe that St. Thomas will be consistently a top choice for Minnesotans in the years to come. Great school with a lot to offer in state kids.
Different conference?
I don't think St. Thomas has to recruit at those levels, but it's pretty easy to imagine them being a more popular destination for MN kids than UMD, St. Cloud, Mankato etc. which allows you to build a pretty solid team and beat out the U for recruits occasionally.
Its weird. Maybe dad is an alum and wants UST to get a mention?
Or maybe they're just Catholic. Could see it being a popular option for STA and CDH kids especially.
Of course, but I would never expect UST to be in the final three with UMN and UMI.I could see how a St Thomas grad would think that but I just don't see what St Thomas has to offer than Minnesota and Michigan don't. Smaller class sizes?I believe that St. Thomas will be consistently a top choice for Minnesotans in the years to come. Great school with a lot to offer in state kids.
Different conference?
I don't think St. Thomas has to recruit at those levels, but it's pretty easy to imagine them being a more popular destination for MN kids than UMD, St. Cloud, Mankato etc. which allows you to build a pretty solid team and beat out the U for recruits occasionally.
Its weird. Maybe dad is an alum and wants UST to get a mention?
I believe his brother goes to UST
If anyone thinks St. Thomas is a "Catholic school", I've got a bridge to sell them...
If anyone thinks St. Thomas is a "Catholic school", I've got a bridge to sell them...
Well I think I know who might buy that bridge.
https://news.stthomas.edu/jan-17-2023-announcement/
“St. Thomas has a higher calling in that it develops graduates who are leaders with strong moral character who believe in the mission to serve the common good. These are the kinds of leaders the world needs now more than ever,” said Anderson. “Additionally, St. Thomas’ vision for this new arena is not only good for the university, but for all of St. Paul, the Twin Cities and Minnesota.”
That’s great and all, but U of MN is still far superior in every possible way
If anyone thinks St. Thomas is a "Catholic school", I've got a bridge to sell them...
Well I think I know who might buy that bridge.
https://news.stthomas.edu/jan-17-2023-announcement/
“St. Thomas has a higher calling in that it develops graduates who are leaders with strong moral character who believe in the mission to serve the common good. These are the kinds of leaders the world needs now more than ever,” said Anderson. “Additionally, St. Thomas’ vision for this new arena is not only good for the university, but for all of St. Paul, the Twin Cities and Minnesota.”
That's great and all, but still doesn't make them a Catholic school in the least.
Are we getting fitzhenry and schneider?
Are we getting fitzhenry and schneider?
supposedly Schneider has said his top 3 are mn mich and ust
that’s really all that’s been out there about the 2
there are also supposedly some CHL kids planning on visiting after the season is done up there
@upnorthkid up there being the gophers?
season done up in Canada. Which is at least promising Bob hasn’t ruled out bringing in chl kids
Not the season you want to have to sway Fitzhenry and/or Schneider. If I’m Bob I’m selling that they’ll be a wagon in 2027-28, which I think they will be.
Still, not great optics so far.
Joey Cullen appears to be headed back to Moorhead this year. They are loaded and will be heavily favored to repeat. They’ll be down in Plymouth for the annual Turkey Trot to start the year.
I heard the same thing from a good source (yesterday).Joey Cullen appears to be headed back to Moorhead this year. They are loaded and will be heavily favored to repeat. They’ll be down in Plymouth for the annual Turkey Trot to start the year.
I never understood the HoneyBaked move in the 1st place. He didn’t move up to varsity as 9th grader when he clearly could have. This is his one remaining year to win a AA State title before moving along to NTDP. Makes total sense to experience one varsity hockey season & play in St Paul in front of 19k fans.
Joey Cullen appears to be headed back to Moorhead this year. They are loaded and will be heavily favored to repeat. They’ll be down in Plymouth for the annual Turkey Trot to start the year.
Are Easton Dozark and Henry Buttweiler coming back from Honeybaked too? Haven’t heard anything on them.
Joey Cullen appears to be headed back to Moorhead this year. They are loaded and will be heavily favored to repeat. They’ll be down in Plymouth for the annual Turkey Trot to start the year.
Are Easton Dozark and Henry Buttweiler coming back from Honeybaked too? Haven’t heard anything on them.
I hope so if for nothing else to hear their names said during tournament broadcasts
Not the season you want to have to sway Fitzhenry and/or Schneider. If I’m Bob I’m selling that they’ll be a wagon in 2027-28, which I think they will be.
Still, not great optics so far.
If the spotlight is attractive enough for these kids, then a down season means there is always more room for them to fill it. It’s just perspective.
What is honeybaked? If that’s a team name, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are they sponsored by ham or something?
What is honeybaked? If that’s a team name, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are they sponsored by ham or something?
Welcome to the magical world of Michigan AAA hockey. The best program in the state is Little Caesars (not a joke).
What is honeybaked? If that’s a team name, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Are they sponsored by ham or something?
Welcome to the magical world of Michigan AAA hockey. The best program in the state is Little Caesars (not a joke).
Advertising never ceases to take it to another level I guess. Sad.
Advertising never ceases to take it to another level I guess. Sad.
I kind of think you’re off base in these cases. Both Little Caesars and Honey Baked go back 40-50 years in Detroit area youth hockey.
High School hockey is trending to be very entertaining this year with a good amount of talent speculating to be back from juniors. I’m watching CDH, EP, Edina, HM, Tonka, Moorhead, Rogers, Rosemount, STA, Hibbing for some players I think we’ll be keeping an eye on
YHH is also speculating that Mason West may actually play for Edina this year. That would be a big change from everyone assuming he’d go to juniors after the football season.
Advertising never ceases to take it to another level I guess. Sad.
I kind of think you’re off base in these cases. Both Little Caesars and Honey Baked go back 40-50 years in Detroit area youth hockey.
yep both local Detroit companies who have long sponsored youth sports (amongst other things).
High School hockey is trending to be very entertaining this year with a good amount of talent speculating to be back from juniors. I’m watching CDH, EP, Edina, HM, Tonka, Moorhead, Rogers, Rosemount, STA, Hibbing for some players I think we’ll be keeping an eye on
YHH is also speculating that Mason West may actually play for Edina this year. That would be a big change from everyone assuming he’d go to juniors after the football season.
Interesting article on him in Hockey News last week. Grew up a Blackhawks fan (dad is from Chicago and a Bears and Blackhawks fan). May be part of the less strong draw/ties here but also notes Stramel's development as the reason for picking MSU, which I think is fair given its been a hot minute since we've had a high draft pick big center come through the program. Only throwing in here as there was a lot of consternation that he didn't even seem to be considering here as a possible college choice, but may be part of why.
Advertising never ceases to take it to another level I guess. Sad.
I kind of think you’re off base in these cases. Both Little Caesars and Honey Baked go back 40-50 years in Detroit area youth hockey.
yep both local Detroit companies who have long sponsored youth sports (amongst other things).
I did not know they’ve been around that long. (I didn’t even know little Caesar’s was that old!) With names like that I figured they were just part of the modern wave of everything selling their rights to sponsors. I guess those companies were ahead of their time! 😉
Rian Marquardt (WBL) commits to ASU
If Bob is hunting for a potential impact addition midseason.
Bringing a 17 year old Finn in to the U mid-season seems quite a stretch.