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I was wondering if any Gopher hockey players are getting any NIL money?  Or, if any  college hockey players  on other teams are getting NIL money?  Must be someone out there who knows the answer.

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Thank you Cowgirl for the link. 


   
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Apologies to those with a sophisticated liquor pallet, but Gray Duck will be replacing my beer and vodka inventory as I rebuy.

 

 


   
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Apologies to those with a sophisticated liquor pallet, but Gray Duck will be replacing my beer and vodka inventory as I rebuy.

 

 

I bought a 12 pack of Duck Duck Beer when we were in the Cities last weekend solely based on the NIL thing.  Every purchase helps. 

Here is another company that is pitching in...

https://twitter.com/ThousandHillsLG/status/1743377540511645742

 

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Apologies to those with a sophisticated liquor pallet, but Gray Duck will be replacing my beer and vodka inventory as I rebuy.

 

 

People with a “sophisticated liquor palate” don’t drink vodka 

 


   
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Apologies to those with a sophisticated liquor pallet, but Gray Duck will be replacing my beer and vodka inventory as I rebuy.

 

 

People with a “sophisticated liquor palate” don’t drink vodka 

 

AHEM. Yes, we do. There are slight to major differences in vodkas, even though it is a neutral spirit. FTR, my go-to is Russian Standard, and I will say Jewel Of Russia is quite exceptional. Both are actually Russian vodkas, not Russian-named/etc bs from the US/etc. 

 

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https://twitter.com/GioMN_RTB/status/1745175210985242856

For the price they charge for their seltzer at Mariucci that doesn’t surprise me. 

 


   
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@cowgirl Everything is overpriced at Mariucci. That is why we drink up before we get there. 🤣

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@cowgirl Everything is overpriced at [ANY ARENA]. That is why we drink up before we get there. 🤣

 

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AHEM. Yes, we do. There are slight to major differences in vodkas, even though it is a neutral spirit. FTR, my go-to is Russian Standard, and I will say Jewel Of Russia is quite exceptional. Both are actually Russian vodkas, not Russian-named/etc bs from the US/etc. 

I think we need to do a blind taste test of vodkas with you at some point Rube. I do think there are plenty of bad vodkas out there, but at some point if you are mixing vodka with anything including soda there's a bar to clear that's there isn't much of a difference. Now when you are making a vodka martini type drink there is still some room for a higher bar, but not much.

 


   
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I don't buy vodka or gin that's bad enough for mixing. That's how you can tell the difference in taste at a bare minimum.


   
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Another opportunity to help the NIL by purchasing some tix.

https://twitter.com/GopherSports/status/1747287176444871155

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Has anyone bought any of this merch - just curious, does it look as yellow and red as it does in the photos?


   
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Has anyone bought any of this merch - just curious, does it look as yellow and red as it does in the photos?

I have one of each color. I would not say they are really yellow or red. The maroon ones are pretty close to actual  maroon and not red. The " yellow" ones are about the same shade as all of my other Gopher sweatshirts. I'm not that picky and don't have an eye for colors though. 

 

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Fish talks about his NIL deal and how it works.

https://twitter.com/vsawkar/status/1748028892110086341

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The NCAA has found itself in the crosshairs of the State of Tennessee and Virginia this morning, with the two states filing a lawsuit against the governing body. Following a scolding statement from chancellor Donde Plowman on Monday, the University of Tennessee is now taking its fight regarding NIL straight to court.

The antitrust case was filed Wednesday morning, and makes it clear that they want the NCAA to stay out of the athletes’ way when it comes to making money though NIL. The complaint also notes that the NCAA is not allowing the athletes to profit in a market that includes the transfer portal.

One of the key parts of the lawsuit is on behalf of players who enter the transfer portal but are not allowed to discuss NIL opportunities before they enroll at a particular school. It’s clear that lawmakers in both states are trying to send a message that the NCAA should not have this much power when it comes to future earnings of student-athletes.

“By restricting NIL discussions for prospective college athletes, the NCAA’s current policy restricts schools from competing to arrange NIL compensation for prospective college athletes and suppresses athletes’ NIL compensation by deterring the free movement of labor.”

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I’ve been against NIL deals and the portal before the ideas of both. Though over time I tolerate the idea of NIL’s over the portal. NIL deals truly need limits and control. Though the portal just a crapshoot with athletes having no responsibility or commitment. 

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This is what I recall Bob saying on a recent coaches show--

Wally asked about the NIL. It was a brief discussion, so nothing in depth, but this is a summery from what I remember-- 

Motzko said that he has heard rumors that IF COLLEGES  start paying players,  that the players may have to sign contracts and that may slow the portal transfers. He said it may be like an employment contract. He said this is NOT his idea, but only rumors of something like that being tossed around, especially by the big name football programs. He said stuff like this will be lead by the football programs, with the other sports just tagging along. 

From me, not Bob-- This stuff opens up a whole new can of worms, and I'm sure the courts would have to get involved yet again. What a mess this has become. 

 

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I’ve been against NIL deals and the portal before the ideas of both. Though over time I tolerate the idea of NIL’s over the portal. NIL deals truly need limits and control. Though the portal just a crapshoot with athletes having no responsibility or commitment. 

Neither do coaches...so why should they get to leave whenever they want but not players?

 


   
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This is what I recall Bob saying on a recent coaches show--

Wally asked about the NIL. It was a brief discussion, so nothing in depth, but this is a summery from what I remember-- 

Motzko said that he has heard rumors that IF COLLEGES  start paying players,  that the players may have to sign contracts and that may slow the portal transfers. He said it may be like an employment contract. He said this is NOT his idea, but only rumors of something like that being tossed around, especially by the big name football programs. He said stuff like this will be lead by the football programs, with the other sports just tagging along. 

From me, not Bob-- This stuff opens up a whole new can of worms, and I'm sure the courts would have to get involved yet again. What a mess this has become. 

 

I think Bob is misguided.  Again every coach signs a contract and is an employee of the school and he could leave tomorrow and  o one can stop him.

If players become contracted employees then they gain the right to collectively bargain and unionize.  The final nail in the coffin of keeping the NCAA from just being NFL Jr.

 


   
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This is what I recall Bob saying on a recent coaches show--

Wally asked about the NIL. It was a brief discussion, so nothing in depth, but this is a summery from what I remember-- 

Motzko said that he has heard rumors that IF COLLEGES  start paying players,  that the players may have to sign contracts and that may slow the portal transfers. He said it may be like an employment contract. He said this is NOT his idea, but only rumors of something like that being tossed around, especially by the big name football programs. He said stuff like this will be lead by the football programs, with the other sports just tagging along. 

From me, not Bob-- This stuff opens up a whole new can of worms, and I'm sure the courts would have to get involved yet again. What a mess this has become. 

 

I think Bob is misguided.  Again every coach signs a contract and is an employee of the school and he could leave tomorrow and  o one can stop him.

If players become contracted employees then they gain the right to collectively bargain and unionize.  The final nail in the coffin of keeping the NCAA from just being NFL Jr.

 

I just want to make it clear that Bob in NO WAY said that this idea was his, agreed with it or even thought it would ever happen. He just told Wally about on of the many different rumors he heard. So, Bob did not endorse that idea. It is totally fair to be critical of the idea itself, as there are many flaws in the idea of doing that. 

 

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I’ve been against NIL deals and the portal before the ideas of both. Though over time I tolerate the idea of NIL’s over the portal. NIL deals truly need limits and control. Though the portal just a crapshoot with athletes having no responsibility or commitment. 

Neither do coaches...so why should they get to leave whenever they want but not players?

 

Yeah… life’s not fair. I don’t like that coaches can leave, but oh well. Not everything on life has to be equal. You sound like my 10 yr. old when I tell him to do something and not the 5 yr. old.

 

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Posted by: @gator

Posted by: @handyman

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I’ve been against NIL deals and the portal before the ideas of both. Though over time I tolerate the idea of NIL’s over the portal. NIL deals truly need limits and control. Though the portal just a crapshoot with athletes having no responsibility or commitment. 

Neither do coaches...so why should they get to leave whenever they want but not players?

Yeah… life’s not fair. I don’t like that coaches can leave, but oh well. Not everything on life has to be equal. You sound like my 10 yr. old when I tell him to do something and not the 5 yr. old.

With the exception that he, and the players are VERY unlike your 5 yr old because they're all Adults

 

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Here we go... Need some guidance  @skiumahlaw

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1754631840231493773

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Here we go... Need some guidance  @skiumahlaw

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1754631840231493773

Probably the least surprising news in the industry, to be honest-- though there are appeals likely and the issue is far from completely certain quite yet.  But I believe it to be imminent.

The implications of this are significant-- from Federal and state minimum wage laws to overtime compensation to workers compensation insurance application across the board.  All of those costs will add up.

Unless we get to a collective bargaining agreement, it will likely mean that there is less appetite for colleges to undertake intercollegiate sports.

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Then what's the end game for those pushing this if the likely result is killing the golden goose?

Do they think there will eventually be a new "amateur" league for each of the big 4 sports that will pay athletes in ways they're currently not receiving payment beyond scholarships?

And if this does lead to the end of college athletics have fun trying to instead earn academic scholarships or scholarships of another sort that will be just as rewarding. 


   
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Then what's the end game for those pushing this if the likely result is killing the golden goose?

Do they think there will eventually be a new "amateur" league for each of the big 4 sports that will pay athletes in ways they're currently not receiving payment beyond scholarships?

And if this does lead to the end of college athletics have fun trying to instead earn academic scholarships or scholarships of another sort that will be just as rewarding. 

 

The actual end game is for sure unknown.

There seem to be two groups pushing this, kind of from opposite ends of the spectrum:  A.) free marketeers, who see the incentives and potential compensation due to the (relatively few) college athletes that can drive revenues; and B.) equity pushers, who see the release from NCAA oversight as an important step toward freedom.  Many of the former are agents/attorneys/others who are trying to get a piece of the pie, while the latter see it as the right thing to do.  Neither seem particularly concerned with collateral damage.

The issue, of course, is that outside a handful of sports, most college sports don't pay for themselves currently.  So if we go down this model of having to pay athletes as employees and most of the rank-and-file won't be in position to get paid.  Then, add in a need for equity in expenditures due to Title IX, and monies that do get paid out have to be duplicated on the women's side.

I personally believe the best case scenario here is to unionize college athletes and then enter into collective bargaining agreements that set forth terms and conditions.  That would allow some degree of rationality to the process and even have Title IX provide some degree of sanity (since, for example, the football team could not require every dollar earned be spent on football as it would put the university afoul of Title IX). 

The big question is whether your P2 schools decide to create their own system for all athletes under their umbrella.  If the B1G schools decide to actually compensate all their athletes-- including, say, their hockey players, the rest of college hockey gets thrown into an absolute ringer-- since pretty much all the NCHC schools, for example, use hockey to fund their own athletic departments.  So if they need to then use those revenues to pay for players to keep up with the B1G, I can see most of the college hockey world acknowledge defeat altogether.

 

 

 


   
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The future seems like it could be bleak for non-revenue sports or maybe just collegiate sports in general. 

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Kurth signs with an NIL agency to help with his NIL opportunities.

https://twitter.com/nilsonsports/status/1792979703961157902

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This isn't really NIL but certainly stems from the same origins.  Ross Delenger has been fantastic in reporting this for Yahoo!.  NCAA Settlement Q&A

 

So how will this apply to college hockey?

On one hand, you can foresee scholarship limits being gone.  So instead of having only 18 scholarships to divide among the 25-26 players on the roster, all players could (theoretically) get full scholarships. 

Title IX will of course play a role because you would likely need to add scholarships to match on the women's side as well. So adding 7 scholarships to the men would be actually adding 14 total scholarships (minimum).

But schools may also pay players directly, and that is where things go off the rails quickly.  Under current Title IX understanding, payment of a male athlete should require payment of a female athlete commensurately.  And schools in the B1G are likely going to need to set standards conference-wide to dictate what those standards are in order to comply with Title IX and protect each other (which is why they are seeking an antitrust exemption to provide some certainty).  And that will be the rub, because if the B1G allows schools to pay hockey players you know all will do so. It may only be nominal, but if spent on a male sport-- it also needs to be spent on a female sport, and thus you are really looking at doubling additional expenses.

But throughout the rest of college hockey it will become a potentially splitting decision.

To comply with this settlement, the non-power 5 schools (everyone other than the B1G, ASU, and BC) is going to also be forced to pay up-- likely in the form of decreased revenue they were counting on from the Bouncyball tournament (which is the cash cow) meaning all these schools will see a revenue drop in this process.  So the question in my mind is: can these schools keep pace to the power-5 schools if there is payment going directly to student-athletes?

In the past, conferences would put limits on scholarships (for example)-- so the NSIC may limit football scholarships to 18 full scholarship equivalents (instead of, say, the 32 allowed by the NCAA).  Would the NCHC do something similar?  What about the CCHA or Hockey East or ECAC? 

The article suggests that a workaround may be found in the form of schools using NIL route to pay players through outside entities (booster clubs).  Two issues with that-- gifts to schools can be tax deductible, so donors get more bang for their buck in making the gift directly to a school-- whereas to a collective it would NOT be tax deductible for sure; and second, booster clubs having close connections to a school are generally subject to Title IX (and if a school is using a collective and directing payments to athletes I believe it would have the same result).  And if a collective is NOT close to a school, the collective would have independent authority to pay some players but not others-- raising the question about who actually runs the program (could you imagine if a fictional Gopher collective would pay Edina kids over the kids tBob is currently trying to bring in?).  So I think the NIL loophole gets minimized in this situation-- players can still get sponsored, but the idea that players are on the payroll of a collective to play the game is likely going to be snuffed out.

Now add in the international focus.  I doubt the state department would consider direct payment the equivalent of an "on-campus job" and thus international students won't be able to get paid.  That may close the spigot on many international students wanting to show up in Grand Forks, for example. 

The B1G will be fine overall-- though some Olympic sports could be on the chopping block to cut costs.  But for the rest of college hockey it is going to get real interesting: the NCHC could become the Summit League faster than anticipated, with some other schools dropping into more regional positions to hang with conference affiliations (the NSIC folks together/MAC folks together) and to cut costs. And out east it could be a bloodbath with how the Ivies want to do things versus everyone else.  In the future you could see the B1G become a premier NHL stepping stone conference (moreso than it is already) and the question in my mind is whether the B1G just decides to skip the one-and-done NCAA tournament altogether (since it is playing on a different playing field anyway).  What is the benefit for the B1G to travel to a tiny rink in Sioux Falls and without compensation when it could play a three-game super playoff on campus? 

Stay tuned....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


   
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It will be interesting how the NIL component of this shakes out. Will there be a day when the players NIL shirts, jerseys etc be allowed to be sold in the arena or will the NIL just go away. As I have said before, I hate the direction  college sports is going...

BTW, Wooger was way ahead of his time when he used the "cap" to pay McAlpine. 🤣 

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@frozen4champs NIL ain't going away, and I suspect that the door may now be open for what you suggest to occur.


   
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So any fans in the stands who end up in any promotional media should start demanding some NIL money too then, right? 😂

 

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So any fans in the stands who end up in any promotional media should start demanding some NIL money too then, right? 😂

Just like the fine print on pro sports tickets/websites saying you watch at your own risk of injury …it will say that by attending the game in person you forfeit the rights to your image.  😜

 

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Just an FYI-- For those who donated to Dinkytown Athletes, they automatically renew your donation for the amount that you gave last year without of sort of notification. I know a bunch of us donated during the special GPL matching event, and if you don't want to continue that amount this year, you will need to go to their website and cancel or adjust your donation.  I guess they consider it a subscription rather than a donation, which irks me a bit. While I am continuing my support, it would have been nice to have a heads up and not have a surprise charge on my credit card. 

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Posted by: @frozen4champs

Just an FYI-- For those who donated to Dinkytown Athletes, they automatically renew your donation for the amount that you gave last year without of sort of notification. I know a bunch of us donated during the special GPL matching event, and if you don't want to continue that amount this year, you will need to go to their website and cancel or adjust your donation.  I guess they consider it a subscription rather than a donation, which irks me a bit. While I am continuing my support, it would have been nice to have a heads up and not have a surprise charge on my credit card. 

Isn’t this how every company in the US does business nowadays 

 


   
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