NCHC is better and a tougher grind. Period. Miami and CC get pounded because the other six are so much better. They are probably kept in the conference because it benefits the others to have doormats.
Miami/CC and uw/MSU are a wash. Omaha would beat PSU/OSU in a series. Beyond that you have five teams that made the tournament from the NCHC and three from the Big Ten.
Look at titles, title appearances, and Frozen Fours since the realignment. NCHC domination. People just don't like to admit the hockey is better cuz the Gophers are not part of it.
NCHC is better and a tougher grind. Period. Miami and CC get pounded because the other six are so much better. They are probably kept in the conference because it benefits the others to have doormats. Miami/CC and uw/MSU are a wash. Omaha would beat PSU/OSU in a series. Beyond that you have five teams that made the tournament from the NCHC and three from the Big Ten. Look at titles, title appearances, and Frozen Fours since the realignment. NCHC domination. People just don’t like to admit the hockey is better cuz the Gophers are not part of it.
Bonin…you’re going to get ? by many GPLers for this take…but it’s accurate. Since 2011, NCHC has won 6 NCAA titles, the BIG - a goose egg & since 2015…5 of 6 national championships, a virtual 
It may be a one & done format , but in the end it’s what counts & is remembered.
NCHC is better and a tougher grind. Period. Miami and CC get pounded because the other six are so much better. They are probably kept in the conference because it benefits the others to have doormats. Miami/CC and uw/MSU are a wash. Omaha would beat PSU/OSU in a series. Beyond that you have five teams that made the tournament from the NCHC and three from the Big Ten. Look at titles, title appearances, and Frozen Fours since the realignment. NCHC domination. People just don’t like to admit the hockey is better cuz the Gophers are not part of it.
Except the numbers don't bear that out over the last three years, particularly at the bottom end. Miami and CC are struggling even in non-conf games, which is why the strong PWR of the top end can't bail them out.
(By the way, alleging that NCHC teams would beat B1G in a series and using a single-game tournament results as your proof, all to attempt to refute the numbers that do provide some objectivity into the equation, is a logical fallacy)
(By the way, alleging that NCHC teams would beat B1G in a series and using a single-game tournament results as your proof, all to attempt to refute the numbers that do provide some objectivity into the equation, is a logical fallacy)
I'm not saying that. If the NCAA tournament were best of three series all the way, the NCHC would as good or better as they already do.
NCHC is better and a tougher grind. Period. Miami and CC get pounded because the other six are so much better. They are probably kept in the conference because it benefits the others to have doormats. Miami/CC and uw/MSU are a wash. Omaha would beat PSU/OSU in a series. Beyond that you have five teams that made the tournament from the NCHC and three from the Big Ten. Look at titles, title appearances, and Frozen Fours since the realignment. NCHC domination. People just don’t like to admit the hockey is better cuz the Gophers are not part of it.
Except the numbers don’t bear that out over the last three years, particularly at the bottom end. Miami and CC are struggling even in non-conf games, which is why the strong PWR of the top end can’t bail them out. (By the way, alleging that NCHC teams would beat B1G in a series and using a single-game tournament results as your proof, all to attempt to refute the numbers that do provide some objectivity into the equation, is a logical fallacy)
Picking a small sample size, 3 years is why your numbers are what they are. Regular season results aren’t necessarily indicative of overall results. It’s arguing tomato vs Tumato ? but I can appreciate your loyalty to the BIG conference vs the NACHO ?
Michigan probably would’ve won it all last year if it was best of three but whatever.
Guessing the NCHC has been better since it’s inception if we look at PWR over that entire period but SUML is right about the last three years, it’s about even. And using the NCAA tourney as a metric is silly because Denver had 5 shots thru two periods of the championship game and had no business winning it but luck and hot goaltending were on their side that day (same with Duluth the year they barely snuck in and won it).
Yes Michigan and MN would be at or near the top of the NCHC, too. But as a conference, come on.
Trying to use results of 4 years ago to predict future performance isn't helpful. Even using the COVID year is problematic.
Sure, if we look at post realignment the NCHC has the edge-- we all know that. But if we look since 1960? 1970? That is what the B1G was built on itself-- long term performance of these teams.
Intra-conference over the past three years-- NCHC vs B1G H2H is 1 game in favor of the B1G. So the trend is that the B1G is on the rise while the NCHC is either stable or having their bottom drop out. They cannot keep pace with their top end, which isn't surprising given the NCHC institutions and their limited resources compared to B1G schools.
Take UMD out of the NCHC (which was the original discussion point) and the NCHC looks even more different.
The parity in the B1G is becoming far tighter, and while the parity in the NCHC was originally quite impressive, you are seeing two schools separate themselves. With CC getting a new facility maybe that changes, but MSU has a new coach too, and Bucky is one year removed from a top 10 team and had a ton of early departures-- and that is your B1G bottom end.
But if we look since 1960? 1970?
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You can make an argument the BIG was better in 21-22, (than the NCHC) based on 2 teams making the Frozen Four vs 1 NCHC team, but then Denver wins it. ☝️ And 5 NCHC teams made the tourney 16 vs 3 BIG teams. Also in 20-21 two NCHC schools in the Frozen Four vs zero BIG schools. In 19-20, Covid prevented the defending (2 time) champion team (featuring the Hobey winner) from taking 3peat shot
No matter how you want to spin conference alignments in the west right now it comes down to money and appearances. When Minnesota and Wisconsin left the WCHA it was because that's where their money comes from...the B1G. Those other teams left the WCHA to form the NCHC for appearances. The CCHA reformed to exclude the Alaska schools and Alabama both for money(travel costs) and appearances of a tougher conference.
Neither UMD or UND pass either one of those tests to be able to join the B1G. They just need to worry about their own little space and the B1G will worry about theirs.
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You can make an argument the BIG was better in 21-22, (than the NCHC) based on 2 teams making the Frozen Four vs 1 NCHC team, but then Denver wins it. ☝️ And 5 NCHC teams made the tourney 16 vs 3 BIG teams. Also in 20-21 two NCHC schools in the Frozen Four vs zero BIG schools. In 19-20, Covid prevented the defending (2 time) champion team (featuring the Hobey winner) from taking 3peat shot
Or you can make a more accurate argument with PWR like SUML did. I agree that the B1G isn’t exponentially better and he did walk that back but his methodology makes more sense than using a smaller sample of results that are more prone to randomness.
Conferences will have their ebbs and flows. Frankly, this conversation is ridiculous because it is never going to stay in favor of any one entity all the time. If you have been around college hockey long enough, you know how things change.
The problem with the B1G has been it needs to have a few more programs find more year to year quality consistency. Outside of the Gophers and Michigan (well... Mel?), this has largely not happened.
UW has got to get its shit together. That program has been far and away the biggest disappointment in the B1G since the conference started. I don't think anybody would have sanely predicted when all of the conference changes went down that UW would be as sucky as it has been. They were expected to be one of the torch carriers for the conference and they have done a shit job. They have let down the conference more than anybody. Heck, a few people on here were about to anoint them dynasty status the minute they hired their current staff and we have seen how that has turned out. Yes, Gopher fans hate UW but it is ridiculous for that school to have such shitty results. They need an enema over there.
Notre Dame and Ohio State have had their moments. Good schools, good facilities, and the capability of landing talent. Not sure Jackson is the long term solution at Notre Dame though (my feeling). I think some new blood with some fire in the belly would be better.
Penn State has done fine considering it was starting from scratch but it will need to find some consistency to get to that next rung.
We'll see if a change in leadership helps MSU.
Conferences will have their ebbs and flows. Frankly, this conversation is ridiculous because it is never going to stay in favor of any one entity all the time. If you have been around college hockey long enough, you know how things change. The problem with the B1G has been it needs to have a few more programs find more year to year quality consistency. Outside of the Gophers and Michigan (well… Mel?), this has largely not happened. UW has got to get its shit together. That program has been far and away the biggest disappointment in the B1G since the conference started. I don’t think anybody would have sanely predicted when all of the conference changes went down that UW would be as sucky as it has been. They were expected to be one of the torch carriers for the conference and they have done a shit job. They have let down the conference more than anybody. Heck, a few people on here were about to anoint them dynasty status the minute they hired their current staff and we have seen how that has turned out. Yes, Gopher fans hate UW but it is ridiculous for that school to have such shitty results. They need an enema over there. Notre Dame and Ohio State have had their moments. Good schools, good facilities, and the capability of landing talent. Not sure Jackson is the long term solution at Notre Dame though (my feeling). I think some new blood with some fire in the belly would be better. Penn State has done fine considering it was starting from scratch but it will need to find some consistency to get to that next rung. We’ll see if a change in leadership helps MSU.
Agree on Wisconsin, they’ve been an overall BUST since realignment. This conversation started today discussion an 8th (affiliate) BIG school…then went off the rails. Absent an existing school joining the party, I maintain that Arizona State makes the most sense.
If you let ASU in sounds like you can let UMD in, too, as someone said ASU doesn’t meet the requirements.
Notre Dame isn’t AAU either. But they’re a national name and a P5 equivalent school. That’s the new NCAA and the lens the B1G will be looking through. They (ASU) fit the profile better than anyone else except maybe BC, as Army and Air Force aren’t in the table.
When the BiG went through the first major expansion, Nebraska didn't meet any of the academic requirements, and yet...
Well, I know people want to point to playing in warm weather on a campus full of hot chicks as things that will attract good players, but if that really was a big factor.
Aside from another BIG school (that currently doesn’t have a D1 hockey program) starting one, I think Arizona State would make a good 8th (affiliate) team in the conference. Give it some time…eventually the perk of playing D1 hockey in the desert will pay off (at) Arizona State U and they will field a very competitive team. ☝️
We'll have to see. As I said in that part of the sentence you chopped off in the quote, I'm still convinced it should have happened already with all the things Powers has on top of playing in the desert. I'll agree that they probably won't be UAH 2.0 or, more locally, NAU 2.0 because ASU has Pac-12 resources, but at the same time, ASU has Pac-12 resources.
If ASU really is sitting on a golden goose, the only real handicap I can see that might explain their slower rise compared to that of PSU (who didn't have the desert, portal, Pac-12, etc) is that Powers doesn't have Guy Gadowsky's resume, but I keep being told that's unimportant for reasons still unknown to me.
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NCHC has been better since realignment but the B1G is a helluva conference and closing the gap quickly.
Its already difficult learning to navigate the new site, but to have to scroll through post after post of dumb conference bantering....tough to visit here.
Its already difficult learning to navigate the new site, but to have to scroll through post after post of dumb conference bantering….tough to visit here.
Well…that’s YOUR opinion…everybody's got one of those…like a body part I won’t mention. ??
Minnesota Duluth received a late commitment for the 2022-23 season on Wednesday from the USA Hockey National Team Development Program’s Cole Spicer, a 17-year-old center and potential 2022 NHL Draft prospect.Spicer just completed his second season with the NTDP playing alongside another incoming UMD freshman forward, Isaac Howard. Spicer finished with 20 goals and 19 assists in 58 games, including three goals and two assists playing with Howard on the U.S. Under-18 Men’s National Team at the 2022 IIHF U18 Men’s World Championship in Germany. Spicer called Howard “one of my best friends” having played with him prior to joining the NTDP. He’s excited to continue playing with Howard in Duluth this fall. “Him and I have gotten very close over the last couple years, he’s always joking around and egging me on,” Spicer said. “We’ve been such good friends the last couple years. Going to college with him, playing with him is a dream come true.” Spicer said the Bulldogs, with all their history, were originally among his top two choices when he originally committed to North Dakota as a freshman at Grand Forks Central High School.
Its already difficult learning to navigate the new site, but to have to scroll through post after post of dumb conference bantering….tough to visit here.
I especially miss the ignore feature now that Bonin and Chill Kessel account for 80% of all posts.
Its already difficult learning to navigate the new site, but to have to scroll through post after post of dumb conference bantering….tough to visit here.
We could always steer the discussion in another direction, though the only news story this week still worth talking about is the puzzling Mel Pearson situation and we're waiting for the next nugget to drop so we can dissect it. Michigan certainly is being suspiciously tightlipped about this and it'd be both ironic and fitting if we had to submit a FOIA request after all this is done just to find out what the heck is going on.
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If you let ASU in sounds like you can let UMD in, too, as someone said ASU doesn’t meet the requirements.
Notre Dame isn’t AAU either. But they’re a national name and a P5 equivalent school. That’s the new NCAA and the lens the B1G will be looking through. They (ASU) fit the profile better than anyone else except maybe BC, as Army and Air Force aren’t in the table.
When the BiG went through the first major expansion, Nebraska didn’t meet any of the academic requirements, and yet…
Nebraska was an AAU member when they joined the B1G Ten.
JoeGopher wrote:When the BiG went through the first major expansion, Nebraska didn’t meet any of the academic requirements, and yet…Nebraska was an AAU member when they joined the B1G Ten.
If I recall Nebraska (Lincoln) lost their AAU status cause it had to do with their medical school being moved to Nebraska (Omaha).
Keep your stick on the ice...
Well, I know people want to point to playing in warm weather on a campus full of hot chicks as things that will attract good players, but if that really was a big factor.
Aside from another BIG school (that currently doesn’t have a D1 hockey program) starting one, I think Arizona State would make a good 8th (affiliate) team in the conference. Give it some time…eventually the perk of playing D1 hockey in the desert will pay off (at) Arizona State U and they will field a very competitive team. ☝️
We’ll have to see. As I said in that part of the sentence you chopped off in the quote, I’m still convinced it should have happened already with all the things Powers has on top of playing in the desert. I’ll agree that they probably won’t be UAH 2.0 or, more locally, NAU 2.0 because ASU has Pac-12 resources, but at the same time, ASU has Pac-12 resources.
If ASU really is sitting on a golden goose, the only real handicap I can see that might explain their slower rise compared to that of PSU (who didn’t have the desert, portal, Pac-12, etc) is that Powers doesn’t have Guy Gadowsky’s resume, but I keep being told that’s unimportant for reasons still unknown to me.
That, and they were playing in a rink smaller than Roseville Ice Arena for their first few years. Even with the weather, women, and wine, it's still tough to recruit a NHL-track player when your facilities are clearly third rate. We will see what happens soon with their new rink.
Well, I know people want to point to playing in warm weather on a campus full of hot chicks as things that will attract good players, but if that really was a big factor.
Aside from another BIG school (that currently doesn’t have a D1 hockey program) starting one, I think Arizona State would make a good 8th (affiliate) team in the conference. Give it some time…eventually the perk of playing D1 hockey in the desert will pay off (at) Arizona State U and they will field a very competitive team.
We’ll have to see. As I said in that part of the sentence you chopped off in the quote, I’m still convinced it should have happened already with all the things Powers has on top of playing in the desert. I’ll agree that they probably won’t be UAH 2.0 or, more locally, NAU 2.0 because ASU has Pac-12 resources, but at the same time, ASU has Pac-12 resources. If ASU really is sitting on a golden goose, the only real handicap I can see that might explain their slower rise compared to that of PSU (who didn’t have the desert, portal, Pac-12, etc) is that Powers doesn’t have Guy Gadowsky’s resume, but I keep being told that’s unimportant for reasons still unknown to me.
That, and they were playing in a rink smaller than Roseville Ice Arena for their first few years. Even with the weather, women, and wine, it’s still tough to recruit a NHL-track player when your facilities are clearly third rate. We will see what happens soon with their new rink.
It is still amazing to me the new ASU rink will host NHL home games. 5,000 seats. The North Stars left Minnesota in the early 90's and averaged 11,000+ tickets sold (except the year they went to the Stanley Cup Final and averaged just under 8,000 tickets sold).
https://news.asu.edu/20220210-university-news-asu-arena-home-ice-arizona-coyotes
https://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=6876
People in Kato can rest a little easier about Hastings leaving for a college job now that the big ones are filled (minus the Michigan situation). Schlossman did say on a podcast that maybe he may get a look from a few NHL teams.
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As expected, the BADgers are having attendance issues as well poor performance on the ice.
https://twitter.com/ToddMilewski/status/1522229562763010049
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Hastings may get a look by some NHL teams. But can he relate to those younger players?
With Granato’s extension through 2027 he isnt taking the blame. Stroebel resigned so he was the fall guy.
Nate Leaman signs extension with Providence. Greg Brown, a former BC assistant and current head coach with the Dubuque Fighting Saints in the USHL is now the front runner.
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Brody Lamb on line 1
Sammy Walker on line 2
As expected after Leaman dropped out.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1522633263294128135
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Badgers bringing back Andy Brandt (current Associate HC at St. Norbert's) from their 2006 team to replace Strobel.
https://twitter.com/ToddMilewski/status/1526264027495772161?s=20&t=uUgyRYFcEZJtwwU-8IVSbw
Maybe Robbie Earl can give lessons too.
Looks like they thought a few more people would show up.
Augustana to CCHA confirmed
Building a nice mix for the future and many road trip opportunities for fans.
tDon talks about the "review" and all things CCHA
https://twitter.com/TheRinkLive/status/1527804017342021633
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https://www.therinklive.com/mens-division-1/nchc/ncaa-grants-two-college-hockey-changes
The NCAA has granted two changes that men's and women's college hockey coaches and commissioners have requested.
First, the NCAA moved up the date for the first allowable full-time practices.
In the past, full-time practices — 20 hours a week — often didn't open until about the time teams were playing their preseason exhibition games.
Now, they'll open a week earlier.
Teams will still have limited hours prior to the opening of full-time practices.
The second change allows schools to schedule other NCAA colleges in exhibition games — something that was granted temporarily during the coronavirus pandemic. It will now become permanent.
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The NCAA has granted two changes that men’s and women’s college hockey coaches and commissioners have requested.
First, the NCAA moved up the date for the first allowable full-time practices.
In the past, full-time practices — 20 hours a week — often didn’t open until about the time teams were playing their preseason exhibition games.
Now, they’ll open a week earlier.
Teams will still have limited hours prior to the opening of full-time practices.
The second change allows schools to schedule other NCAA colleges in exhibition games — something that was granted temporarily during the coronavirus pandemic. It will now become permanent.
What's the 2nd change?
The NCAA has granted two changes that men’s and women’s college hockey coaches and commissioners have requested.
First, the NCAA moved up the date for the first allowable full-time practices.
In the past, full-time practices — 20 hours a week — often didn’t open until about the time teams were playing their preseason exhibition games.
Now, they’ll open a week earlier.
Teams will still have limited hours prior to the opening of full-time practices.
The second change allows schools to schedule other NCAA colleges in exhibition games — something that was granted temporarily during the coronavirus pandemic. It will now become permanent.
What’s the 2nd change?
The pandemic waiver to allow NCAA teams to schedule each other for exhibition games.
I like the idea in principle and enjoyed the scrimmage against the Tommies this past season, but it should come with the stipulation that nonconference games that have already been scheduled can not be redesignated as exhibitions. Otherwise it'd create a fun new way to duck marquee matchups during the WJC.
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The NCAA has granted two changes that men’s and women’s college hockey coaches and commissioners have requested.
First, the NCAA moved up the date for the first allowable full-time practices.
In the past, full-time practices — 20 hours a week — often didn’t open until about the time teams were playing their preseason exhibition games.
Now, they’ll open a week earlier.
Teams will still have limited hours prior to the opening of full-time practices.
The second change allows schools to schedule other NCAA colleges in exhibition games — something that was granted temporarily during the coronavirus pandemic. It will now become permanent.
What’s the 2nd change?
It’s found immediately after the words “The second change.”
I swear that part wasn't there when I hit reply.
Raboin hired his 1st assistant.
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Looks like they thought a few more people would show up.
We’re excited to officially introduce our new #NCHChockey Commissioner, Heather Weems, at a press conference at @XcelEnergyCtr pic.twitter.com/9fiPJ4QI4o— The NCHC (@TheNCHC) May 16, 2022
I think this is an underwhelming pick to be commissioner of the NCHC.
Tech is hosting this years GLI in Grand Rapids. Michigan is not part of it this year, so Mel will have to find another team to avoid on its schedule instead of Western.
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