The Wild will be going nowhere for along time no money to work with ?
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He was the teams best defenseman this year. You can downplay that to whatever level you like, it still doesn't change the fact that the team gets worse if he's not on it.Dumba was their best defenseman in the playoffs. AgainI will never get why anyone likes Dumba. Just a vastly overrated player.
And? He has had one good season in his entire career and his playoff numbers are average. He is not worth the praise or the money he gets.
Not really sure where you're getting the "overrated" from either? Most of the fans in this town shit all over Dumba. Most consider even Spurgeon to be the better player
He was the teams best defenseman this year. You can downplay that to whatever level you like, it still doesn't change the fact that the team gets worse if he's not on it.Dumba was their best defenseman in the playoffs. AgainI will never get why anyone likes Dumba. Just a vastly overrated player.
And? He has had one good season in his entire career and his playoff numbers are average. He is not worth the praise or the money he gets.
Not really sure where you're getting the "overrated" from either? Most of the fans in this town shit all over Dumba. Most consider even Spurgeon to be the better player
That the team was better with Dumba playing suggests only that he was better than any of his replacements. It does not necessarily prove his value to the team. I would agree, however, that he cut down on the costly mistakes this season.
This team is a mess right now. Spurgeon isn't worth anything close to his salary, and they could start by ripping that C off his sweater. Maybe that would erase that silly fey look from his face.
That said, I think that Brodin and Spugeon both had a better playoff than their usual turtle job. It's just that none of it matters. The team has no depth, despite the enviable pipeline we hear about, and the big dolla players forgot to suit up.
I had to check out Evolving Hockey contract projections to get a feel for what is even possible for the Wild this offseason. Seems like they're in a big holding pattern until Gustavsson's agent figures out how long to play chicken with Guerin.
Projections for him are $3.5M for a one-year deal or $3.8M AAV for a two-year deal and $4.5 AAV for a three-year deal (extra money because it buys out a year of UFA).
The projected numbers for these guys takes them out of the budget... Dumba $6.25M, Klingberg $5.6M, Nyquist $4.1M and Sundqvist $3M.
Johansson signed a team friendly $2M AAV deal and was projected at $3.8M AAV.
Players to consider: Addison RFA $1.4M AAV, Steel $1.4M AAV, Duhaime $1.4M AAV, Shaw $1.1M AAV (LTIR?), Reaves $900k AAV, Mermis, Grioux, Cramarossa and Swaney all $775k.
Even modest deals for Addison, Duhaime and Gustavsson makes putting together a cap compliant roster challenging.
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Wild select local kid and BADger Stramel with the 21st pick. He and Faber can someday discuss the "head butt" incident from this past year.
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THAT was underwhelming.Wild select local kid and BADger Stramel with the 21st pick. He and Faber can someday discuss the "head butt" incident from this past year.
One can hope the garbage ingrained when playing for team dysfunctional can be unlearned.
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Stramel was one of 4 or 5 guys that I wanted the Wild to get with that pick. Just have to hope last season can be chalked up to Granato and Wisconsin being complete trash.
Stramel was one of 4 or 5 guys that I wanted the Wild to get with that pick. Just have to hope last season can be chalked up to Granato and Wisconsin being complete trash.
problem is what are you drafting him for? You have multiple middle centers and nothing high end and Stramel has never shown he can be a high end center
You'd think they could have traded back and still been able to draft Strammel
Stramel was considered more "high end" than Will Smith was a year ago. And no, the Wild don't have multiple middle centers. They have Wingers centering 2 of their top 3 lines with Khusnutdinov as the only likely NHL center on the way up.Stramel was one of 4 or 5 guys that I wanted the Wild to get with that pick. Just have to hope last season can be chalked up to Granato and Wisconsin being complete trash.
problem is what are you drafting him for? You have multiple middle centers and nothing high end and Stramel has never shown he can be a high end center
Guerin compliments the local watering hole for keeping them hydrated this week. I want to say he said something like that last year too but maybe not. I didn’t really think it was as funny as he thought he was.
Kiss of death right here.
https://twitter.com/ben_clymer/status/1674237546866327554?t=y1jruZ7ZcGAIyuIWKK4Rxw&s=19
Kiss of death right here.
https://twitter.com/ben_clymer/status/1674237546866327554?t=y1jruZ7ZcGAIyuIWKK4Rxw&s=19
Yes, after extolling the play-making ability of 4th-liner Jack Ramsey and his linemates for four years, Clymer has zero credibility. I get that he gets paid to be a homer, but he's a color guy and is supposed to have an eye for the game.
I'm sure Clymer is right a whole bunch, but when he sprinkles in b.s. like this, it tends to undermine his opinions.
“Right a whole bunch”….doh’kay
Wild select local kid and BADger Stramel with the 21st pick.
Regardless on how he pans out, some diehard Gopher fans will never be a fan.
Keep your stick on the ice...
A pretty "meh" selection IMO. Certainly hope for the best when he eventually signs but...
They are in desperate need of something more than a "meh." ?
Jimmy Clark is a nice pickup in the 7th. And yes I am biased!!
Stramel was one of 4 or 5 guys that I wanted the Wild to get with that pick. Just have to hope last season can be chalked up to Granato and Wisconsin being complete trash.
Lucius was able to squeeze out 34 points.
Stramel was one of 4 or 5 guys that I wanted the Wild to get with that pick. Just have to hope last season can be chalked up to Granato and Wisconsin being complete trash.
Lucius was able to squeeze out 34 points.
Lucius parents paid off the stats guys to pad his stats with phantom assists... ?
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In the Badgers last 16 games (Dec 10th- End of season) Stramel scored only 1 goal and 4 assists. Three of those assists all came in one weekend vs Mich St. So 1G and 1A in those other 14 games. That is REALLY bad.
In the Badgers last 16 games (Dec 10th- End of season) Stramel scored only 1 goal and 4 assists. Three of those assists all came in one weekend vs Mich St. So 1G and 1A in those other 14 games. That is REALLY bad.
I agree. I was being sarcastic with my comment. Time will tell if it turns out to be the right choice. I know lots of people were freaking out when the Wild took Boldy over the little guy from the BADgers. It took longer, but I think Boldy was the right choice. Maybe Stramel will improve under Hastings but I hope the Gophers continue to pound the snot out of him the next few years.
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Yeah, the kid had a bad year. That's why he was available at 21 instead of going in the top 5 like he was projected to go at this time last year. The hope is that the ugly year wasn't entirely because he's bad at hockey and the kid can get back to being one of the best players in his age group.Stramel was one of 4 or 5 guys that I wanted the Wild to get with that pick. Just have to hope last season can be chalked up to Granato and Wisconsin being complete trash.
Lucius was able to squeeze out 34 points.
It’s not even the fact he wasn’t scoring for me, the guy was INVISIBLE most of the times I watched him. At least when Knies went on his scoring drought in the playoffs he impacted the game in so many other positive ways. Stramel seemed like such a nonfactor whenever I watched him. At least use your size a little bit. I hope he turns it around for the Wild but I’ll agree with others on here that he can kick rocks when he plays the Gophers!
Did Stramel accelerate and play college a year earlier than his age?
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While the pick surprised me…the kid possesses one thing the Wild desperately need…SIZE. Hopefully he develops into a Charlie Coyle sized player who (unlike Charlie) plays with snarl & sandpaper. And chips in a few goals, wins faceoffs and is solid defensively. He strikes me as a future 3rd liner, hopefully he demonstrates more upside than that…time will tell.Yeah, the kid had a bad year. That's why he was available at 21 instead of going in the top 5 like he was projected to go at this time last year. The hope is that the ugly year wasn't entirely because he's bad at hockey and the kid can get back to being one of the best players in his age group.Stramel was one of 4 or 5 guys that I wanted the Wild to get with that pick. Just have to hope last season can be chalked up to Granato and Wisconsin being complete trash.
Lucius was able to squeeze out 34 points.
This will make Louie happy.
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He'll be the best dressed in the locker room at least. Need to get him on a podcast with Ramsey
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@j22 I guess it depends how you view our center group. We don't have a 1C on this roster (my personal opinion and know others will disagree with this) and have Ek and Gaudreau, so that's what I mean as middle centers. Gaudreau is on the older side so if you're tracking him in as your 3C (hopefully), then yeah I can get the pick. Just felt like there were others with more scoring pop that play down the middle still available when he was taken. Hopefully it works out and he can get to his prior projections. With where we consistently finish, can't afford to be missing on picks as your opportunities are lesser (part of what makes the continual first round exits even more disheartening)
I view the Wild center group as among the worst in the NHL@j22 I guess it depends how you view our center group. We don't have a 1C on this roster (my personal opinion and know others will disagree with this) and have Ek and Gaudreau, so that's what I mean as middle centers. Gaudreau is on the older side so if you're tracking him in as your 3C (hopefully), then yeah I can get the pick. Just felt like there were others with more scoring pop that play down the middle still available when he was taken. Hopefully it works out and he can get to his prior projections. With where we consistently finish, can't afford to be missing on picks as your opportunities are lesser (part of what makes the continual first round exits even more disheartening)
There were a few other centers available when the Wild picked that I liked just as much as Stramel, but those players had just as many question marks in their game. I think you could do a lot worse than getting a guy who is likely to be a quality #3, but still has a decent chance to be much more. You also need to take into account the fact that the only 2 other NHL caliber center prospects that the Wild had at the time were tiny. Size never slumps.
@j22 I dunno about size never slumps. We've long fallen in love with size guys who can't score frequently enough to be difference makers. I'm not as in love with the size argument in today's nhl that is going further and further away from allowing the grappling and grinding of the past and shown more willingness to call things in the postseason, but I can understand if there's a GM that wants to have that option available (lean more towards plentiful high skilled guys, you can always buy/trade for size/grind guys as there will be journeymen who fit the role of 3/4C but very few opportunities to get a 1/2C without paying a kings ransom). That said, hopefully he bounces back and last year was an aberration.
Vegas and Florida just bullied their way to the finals.@j22 I dunno about size never slumps. We've long fallen in love with size guys who can't score frequently enough to be difference makers. I'm not as in love with the size argument in today's nhl that is going further and further away from allowing the grappling and grinding of the past and shown more willingness to call things in the postseason, but I can understand if there's a GM that wants to have that option available (lean more towards plentiful high skilled guys, you can always buy/trade for size/grind guys as there will be journeymen who fit the role of 3/4C but very few opportunities to get a 1/2C without paying a kings ransom). That said, hopefully he bounces back and last year was an aberration.
I agree that there are times when a GM gets too infatuated with size, but the opposite can also be true. You can't have a bunch of 5'9" players on a roster and expect to compete in the NHL. Hoping that a 6'3" kid who can skate, will be able to develop his offensive game is probably a better bet than hoping a highly skilled 5'9" player that can't skate, will be able to play at the NHL level.
@j22 yeah for sure. Wasn’t meaning I’d argue to take a 5 9 guy who can’t skate, those guys don’t even make college much less the nhl. You have to have the ability to skate if you’re going to be higher end skill and make it. Was more referring to a more pure scorer/shooter or playmaker than a grind scorer. Again that’s just my personal preference as I feel they’re substantially harder to find but when you do can push your team up another level. I 100% agree with for every marchesseault or even karlsson (more size/motor with flash of skill I’m referring to you need a couple guys like Stone, Barbashev, etc to try hold the play. Think it’s just differing styles of how you get to a balanced construction which I get where you’re coming from in your reasoning
also I will say, Vegas drafted none of those guys so a little different game in assembling a bruising team (coupled with Stone coming back at just the right time to allow the cap game and them to be way over the cap). The Panthers also totally blew up that roster to get there and helps when you can select your heavy guys that are also incredibly skilled. Hopefully Stramel is that but disappearing has me worried: ain’t like there aren’t some teams Wisconsin plays he should’ve been able to assert himself more, but maybe he’ll pop this year and be a guy who can step in as the cap hits open up and help us Make a move in the postseason
The Wild need a bit more muscle/sandpaper on the blue line. I don't mean pure bruisers, but they're too easy to push around in the playoffs and a lot of that falls on the defensive guys.
Can't wait for some of the responses to this...
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Wild and Gustavsson agree to 3-year $11.25M deal per Joe Smith.
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They're fine but I prefer the white version.
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@eric-vegoe Sammy Walker scores a PPG in todays preseason game... ?
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Vinny also scored. Go Gophers!!
So Mr. Guerin signed Foligno and Zuccarello to extensions...
Zuccarello 2 years at $4.125M per (a discount from his current $6M cap hit)
Foligno for 4 years (?!?!) at $4.00M per (an increase form his current $3.1M cap hit)
I just don't understand this. Maybe he can sign Marcus Johannson to a 4 year extension as well? Or how about Pat Maroon?
I was looking forward to in 2 years have some significant money come off the books, and being able to do a big reset. Instead Guerin seems to want to tie up a bunch of aging vets on the wrong side of the curve. The Zuccarello one bothers me less, but the Foligno one is just a head scratcher to me.