No chance that Pitlick leaves? He's improved every year and is already ahead of last year with 10 less games played so far. I realize he's only a 5th round pick...
If my math is correct, and the rules have not changed, I think Rhett can declare himself a free agent on Aug 15th this year if he doesn't want to sign with the Canadians. (4 years after his draft year of 2019) If he continues this scoring surge, he may want to leave while he is hot. I'm not sold on him being a long term NHL player though. I would love to see him stay, but we will see. Huglen is in the same boat. I read that Buffalo really liked him and maybe they need depth in the AHL and will sign him or he could become a free agent as well. Huglen is also married, so that may impact his decision.
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For the exact reasons stated above, Huglen and Pitlick returning are up in the air in my opinion. Really hope they stay.
I believe both of them stay property of their teams as long as they stay in school (a somewhat new rule but I could be wrong, same reason Brodzinski is still property of the Flyers despite playing his 5th year of college hockey) already been 4 years since they were drafted in summer 2019. This summer it will be 5.
I believe the rule was put into place for NCAA kids to encourage them to stay in school but I’ll have to do some research into that.
For the exact reasons stated above, Huglen and Pitlick returning are up in the air in my opinion. Really hope they stay.
Pitlick is probably too small to be an every day NHLer and Huglen does a lot of things well, but not much “great” for the NHL level. They both are probably AHL guys with some spot NHL duty. Landing on the right team will be key so I’d think they’ll both be back, at least one wear a letter (Huglen for sure), and then shop around the next year. Be sure to donate to DTA in the offseason so they don’t have to chase the money 😉
Did some digging and it’s unclear whether the 4 years starts when they get to campus or when they’re drafted. For example Pitlick and Huglen were both drafted in 2019 then played 2 seasons of juniors before coming on campus in 2021. I don’t believe the “clock” on their draft rights starts til they’re on campus (that’s my interpretation at least). If I’m wrong their rights ran out last summer in 2023 and both are currently free agents. Which I know not to be true because Huglen attended the Sabres dev camp over the summer (and I think Pitlick did too).
I believe both of them stay property of their teams as long as they stay in school (a somewhat new rule but I could be wrong, same reason Brodzinski is still property of the Flyers despite playing his 5th year of college hockey) already been 4 years since they were drafted in summer 2019. This summer it will be 5.
I believe the rule was put into place for NCAA kids to encourage them to stay in school but I’ll have to do some research into that.
Think they get it until 30 days post “finishing” college, whenever they decide that is. So given they’ll have eligibility, they’d have to say they’re done with school or graduate to become a free agent and then sign in the offseason (which is probably what they’d both do anyway as neither is going to be a guy brought in for a stretch run as both teams are poor and probably not wanting to burn 1/3 years on a contract for a few games this year).
Did some digging and it’s unclear whether the 4 years starts when they get to campus or when they’re drafted. For example Pitlick and Huglen were both drafted in 2019 then played 2 seasons of juniors before coming on campus in 2021. I don’t believe the “clock” on their draft rights starts til they’re on campus (that’s my interpretation at least). If I’m wrong their rights ran out last summer in 2023 and both are currently free agents. Which I know not to be true because Huglen attended the Sabres dev camp over the summer (and I think Pitlick did too).
So yeah I think NCAA guys are granted some extra time in terms of draft rights, but that might be something @eric-vegoe would have to clarify, I’m sure he knows.
For the exact reasons stated above, Huglen and Pitlick returning are up in the air in my opinion. Really hope they stay.
Pitlick is probably too small to be an every day NHLer and Huglen does a lot of things well, but not much “great” for the NHL level. They both are probably AHL guys with some spot NHL duty. Landing on the right team will be key so I’d think they’ll both be back, at least one wear a letter (Huglen for sure), and then shop around the next year. Be sure to donate to DTA in the offseason so they don’t have to chase the money 😉
I would agree with this; however, I've been wrong before about projected NHL talent. 😯 At any rate, another year at the U would help.
Pitlick has a high-rev motor and good speed. He's also shown that he can score. He may not get to the NHL quickly, but he could get there. Hey, Tommy Novak did it.
Huglen is a sneaky good set-up guy with silky mitts who plays a super honest game so it wouldn't surprise me to see him in the NHL someday. Smallish forwards have a place now in the NHL, and, like Pitlick, he's a really good skater.
It would be interesting to get an opinion from a player like LaCombe or Faber, who practiced with these players every day. They wouldn't go public with a negative opinion, but it's a sure bet their projections would be meaningful.
unless they changed the rule recently, it's 4 years after graduating high school. It's how both Wheeler and Reilly were able to go UFA after only 3 years in collegeDid some digging and it’s unclear whether the 4 years starts when they get to campus or when they’re drafted. For example Pitlick and Huglen were both drafted in 2019 then played 2 seasons of juniors before coming on campus in 2021. I don’t believe the “clock” on their draft rights starts til they’re on campus (that’s my interpretation at least). If I’m wrong their rights ran out last summer in 2023 and both are currently free agents. Which I know not to be true because Huglen attended the Sabres dev camp over the summer (and I think Pitlick did too).
unless they changed the rule recently, it's 4 years after graduating high school. It's how both Wheeler and Reilly were able to go UFA after only 3 years in collegeDid some digging and it’s unclear whether the 4 years starts when they get to campus or when they’re drafted. For example Pitlick and Huglen were both drafted in 2019 then played 2 seasons of juniors before coming on campus in 2021. I don’t believe the “clock” on their draft rights starts til they’re on campus (that’s my interpretation at least). If I’m wrong their rights ran out last summer in 2023 and both are currently free agents. Which I know not to be true because Huglen attended the Sabres dev camp over the summer (and I think Pitlick did too).
So are Huglen and Pitlick currently free agents then?
Also, to clarify, the players would have to withdraw from school and then they would become free agents. They don't automatically become free agents 4 years after they are drafted. Hence, as of now Pitlick, Huglen and Brodzy are still "property" of their drafted teams.
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Also, to clarify, the players would have to withdraw from school and then they would become free agents. They don't automatically become free agents 4 years after they are drafted. Hence, as of now Pitlick, Huglen and Brodzy are still "property" of their drafted teams.
yea sorry should’ve been more specific, it’s 4 years AND 30 days after leaving school
Also, to clarify, the players would have to withdraw from school and then they would become free agents. They don't automatically become free agents 4 years after they are drafted. Hence, as of now Pitlick, Huglen and Brodzy are still "property" of their drafted teams.
Ok gotcha that helps
An NHL team has the rights to a traditional college player until Aug. 15 after he graduates.
8.6 (c) (iv)
If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of:
(a) the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft,
or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student;
provided that **IF** the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player:
(1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA eligibility,
or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college student.
For purposes of the above provisions, the term "graduation of his college class" shall mean the class with which the Player is scheduled to graduate during his final semester of attendance (as opposed to his matriculating class (the class with which he is expected to graduate as of the date of his original enrollment)). For purposes of clarity, a Player's graduating class may change during his tenure in college
Nevers and Moore are on the list.
https://twitter.com/YouthHockeyHub/status/1758236096121495759
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I watched the 15 questions segment for the first 4 or 5 and English was the least favorite subject for all of them. 🤣
Tonka quick highlights from last night. 2 goals and an assist for Javon.
https://twitter.com/gametimemn/status/1758530999435067835?s=46&t=UtlPiq7Vt1Te97QT76L7LQ
Beckett Hendrickson having a phenomenal year in the USHL. Had 1G 2A last night, now has 46 points in 41 games.
Beckett Hendrickson having a phenomenal year in the USHL. Had 1G 2A last night, now has 46 points in 41 games.
It was the right decision to let him play a year of Juniors.
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Barto cut his goals against over half in his second NAHL start. He only gave up 4, but he did lose again.
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LJ Mooney playing with U18 last night. Picked up a goal and 2 helpers.
Look at the size difference between Mace'o Phillips and Mooney in the bottom right photo. Phillips is 6'5" and is huge. These 2 are going to be fun to watch in a couple of years.
https://twitter.com/USAHockeyNTDP/status/1761535674115588190
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Barto lost again last night in the NAHL. He only gave up 2 goals and had a 923 Sv%. That was his best start of the 3 he has had there. He is 0-3 with a 5.11 GAA and .800 save % with Oklahoma.
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Hard to win when your team scores zero goals
Or when your GAA is 5.11
When you give up 9 goals in your first game two weeks ago your stats are going to look bad. He has since played two games giving up 4 goals and then 2 goals.
maroon and goals comment was referring to the most recent game/yesterday when Barto's team lost 3-0. The 3rd goal was an empty netter.
The team he is on normally plays two games per week Fridays and Saturdays. Barto since moving to this team has played three straight Saturdays.
I hope he makes it back to campus and the team. I'm just throwing out what his stats are. I could have easily have posted that he has a 2.0 GAA in his last game, but that is not the true story. For me, I had hoped that he would have gone to the USHL and dominated and then after that didn't work, I hoped he would go to the NAHL (another step down) and really shine. I know 3 games is a small sample size, so I hope he finds his game. But, now the alarm bells are sounding for me.
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I hear what you are saying and agree with your overall thoughts. It looks like his team has 6 weeks left in their regular season. Each of his games has been better than the previous game. Hopefully the next 6 weeks goes well for him. Obviously time will tell.
For a year and a half coach got an up close look at him in practice everyday so if he is on the team next season I suspect it is because coach is comfortable with him (likely as a back up to Airey).
An important factor is goalies want playing time so if Airey is going to be the starter (which is likely the case) is there better goalies available who want to come here and be a back up? Coach knows that answer better than we do.
Unless the answer is clearly yes. Coach is likely going to go with the guy he knows better and show some loyalty rather then switch who he wants on the team. I think this comes into play with deciding about bring in a portal/transfer no matter the position.
Coaches want players to sacrifice for the good of the team and the best way for a coach to develop a team that is loyal is to be that way too. Players want loyalty to be a two way street.
Stats with Youngstown
Owen B - 21 games played, 12-6-3, GAA 3.01, Saves % .893
Colin Winn - 19 games played, 7-6-1, GAA 3.63, Saves % .871
Owen was having the better season but when they traded for Aiden Wright it was decided that Owen would change leagues and go to Oklahoma and Colin stayed with Youngstown. Why that was decided would be interesting to know.
Owen was 8th in GAA and 11th in saves % in the USHL this season. Yes it would be nice if he was higher but he wasn't awful and the team defense in front of any goalie is important.
You are correct that we will never know what was behind all of this. The fact that Youngstown felt they needed to upgrade their goaltending and that Barto was not the answer is still concerning to me. Did the coach and Barto not see eye to eye? Did the U get involved and say that after the trade Barto needed a change of scenery? Did the U think going to the NAHL was better than catching on with another USHL team? Who knows. I wish Barto well and still have not totally given up on him.
Plus, who knows what agreement was made when he left campus. In my mind, once he left campus, he had to know there may be a chance that he may never get the chance to come back if things went south. We have seen coaches cut bait with players before.
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I wonder if Youngtown made the trade because they knew Barto was a one year player and the goalie they traded for is likely to stay past this year.
Maybe Barto/coach wanted him to move to another team where he will get more playing time.
I wish Owen B the best, but it shouldn't be at Minnesota. As a top-tier program, we need to get top-tier goaltenders.
The bottom line is that better options will be available, and Bob can't roll the dice with two unproven goalies next year. If Owen had not been here previously, there would have been no way we would be recruiting him based on this year's performance. Honest question: where does he land if he doesn't end up here? Maybe an Atlantic Hockey school, maybe even D3?
Portal is probably the best bet. Flipping Hampton Slukynsky or Carsen Musser (If Mberko returns) Dylan Silverstein is back in USHL and playing well, before today's game.
Barto’s window may have passed but I’m very excited for what Nathan Airey will bring to the net. Think we got a good one there.
Hendrickson traded from Sioux Falls to Dubuque. Dubuque is one of the best teams in the league so it’s definitely a case of Dubuque loading up for the playoffs rather than Sioux Falls getting rid of him
https://twitter.com/jordan_mcalpine/status/1762284062859821062?s=46&t=AvtsG2WfNuGRyXzbYJqB7g
What do people think the defense will look like for next year? Our entire D Corps could return if they so desired. Then throw in Whipple, Gruba, and Yakesh. That’s potentially an eleven man defense. Does Bob and Co. expect guys to leave (turn pro or transfer)? Gruba and Whipple both seem like guys that you want to have on campus next year. Does Yakesh stay another year in juniors? Can he even? I haven’t heard much about him. Do either Rud or Begley look for greener pastures elsewhere? Do Koster and Fish come back for their extra year? Lots of questions for next year.
Starting to think we see Koster back next year but if he signs I wouldn’t be shocked.
Koster-Chesley
Mittelstadt-Rinzel
Thomas-Gruba
Whipple
Rud, Begley and Yakesh can be extras. I bet Fish is gone.
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Starting to think we see Koster back next year but if he signs I wouldn’t be shocked.
Koster-Chesley
Mittelstadt-Rinzel
Thomas-Gruba
Whipple
Rud, Begley and Yakesh can be extras. I bet Fish is gone.
That D corps looks strooooong.
Neither Gruba nor Yakesh have junior eligibility left. Gruba will be here in any event.
Koster feels like 50/50 but if he is back you can run an elite Top 6 with Whipple as your 7th. Rud/Begley/Yakesh as extras, though no surprise if one moves on. If Fish utilizes his fifth year, imagine it is elsewhere for bigger minutes.
I think Whipple playing a year in ushl is a real possibility.
Does Rinzel come back.....?
I'd imagine Rinzel returns next year. Back for his Jr year is much less certain.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
I'd imagine Rinzel returns next year. Back for his Jr year is much less certain.
Would be my read as well. Confident he is back next year. If he develops further, all bets off for 2025-2026.
I think Whipple playing a year in ushl is a real possibility.
I don’t disagree but I still think he’s here in the fall
I don't think Whipple is quite the prospect that folks are making him out to be here. He's maybe the 5th best defenseman on the current NTDP team. He could be a really good college player but it wouldn't be crazy for him to play a year of juniors next year like Hendrickson did.
I'm not totally convinced that Yakesh even ends up here, but we'll see.
I don't think Whipple is quite the prospect that folks are making him out to be here. He's maybe the 5th best defenseman on the current NTDP team. He could be a really good college player but it wouldn't be crazy for him to play a year of juniors next year like Hendrickson did.
I'm not totally convinced that Yakesh even ends up here, but we'll see.
Agreed when he committed he was billed up to be a 1st round talent. Never really materialized at the NTDP but he’s still gonna be a solid and skilled 4 year guy which might even be better
Whipple should have stayed in HS.
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