Quote: coondogTotally agree with what you say about the schools lobbying against what they are fearful of-- from my perspective are that the revenue sport athletes (in at least the power 5 conferences) are employees with “continuing education requirements” rather than students. I suppose there are several litmus tests. One test: can a student pick the major of their choice? While it has been somewhat true for decades, I do not see how a student could pick lab intensive courses such as chemistry, physics, biology, computer science.... If you have the academic ability, you should be able to pick your major.
Did not know that about UNC... A school with a pretty decent academic reputation, we are not talking about University of Louisiana at Monroe. Then UNC goes and hires Bill Belichick who immediately says he is creating a “33rd NFL team”.
Would imagine it depends on the school. DiPasquo is doing aerospace engineering or something like that IIRC
Quote: coondogWhile it has been somewhat true for decades, I do not see how a student could pick lab intensive courses such as chemistry, physics, biology, computer science.... If you have the academic ability, you should be able to pick your major.
Now this is going back 34 years, but Brian Bonin and Dan Trebil were chemistry majors...in the Institute of Technology Honors Program.
Quote: coondogDid not know that about UNC... A school with a pretty decent academic reputation, we are not talking about University of Louisiana at Monroe. Then UNC goes and hires Bill Belichick who immediately says he is creating a “33rd NFL team”.
I was talking about this from the 2010s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_academic-athletic_scandal
quite a bit more serious than whatever our 1997 Final Four basketball team got in trouble for if you ask me
Quote: Walker? I Barely Know HerQuote: coondogDid not know that about UNC... A school with a pretty decent academic reputation, we are not talking about University of Louisiana at Monroe. Then UNC goes and hires Bill Belichick who immediately says he is creating a “33rd NFL team”.
I was talking about this from the 2010s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_academic-athletic_scandal
quite a bit more serious than whatever our 1997 Final Four basketball team got in trouble for if you ask me
The disparity in punishment was gross
It is pretty obvious why schools don't want to go down the employment side: workers compensation, overtime, payroll, etc. would put a serious damper on the way college sports has run over the past 20 years or so.
But students as employees adds some complexities on that side as well.
All compensation would be taxable income-- versus now, where educational-related gifts, training tables, etc. are part of their scholarship/stipend and are not taxable as a result. While NIL direct money is taxable either way, considering the vast majority of college athletes are NOT receiving NIL monies, turning athletes into employees might be a net negative for most athletes. That is why you don't see more push toward it.
I believe Courts want schools and athletes to sit down and collectively bargain their relationship, but nobody has figured out how yet-- CBAs generally require employment relationship to work, and here college athletes come and go within 5 years now-- so those negotiating a deal today are doing so for kids still in high school right now. The House settlement created a framework that was similar to a collective bargaining agreement, but the act in Congress now gets rid of that altogether.
Quote: SkiUMahLawI believe Courts want schools and athletes to sit down and collectively bargain their relationship, but nobody has figured out how yet-- CBAs generally require employment relationship to work, and here college athletes come and go within 5 years now
Something like half the states have laws severely limiting or flat-out banning collective bargaining by govt employees. Which obviously applies to employees of state universities.
None of these issues matter for a potential CBA given that reality until Congress passes some federal legislation carving out an exemption which preempts those state laws for NCAA student-athletes.
I agree with you that star NCAA players don't see their interests as being aligned with depth players, at least not enough to push for collective bargaining. The current situation exists largely because it's good enough for enough people on all sides.