I am very likely too 'died in the wool Gopher' to be even involved in this conversation but if throwing millions of dollars at a player will not get them to your school... DO YOU WANT THEM? Yes, super talented, super high end. We HAVE HAD that and still really have that. That does not translate to an end run to the NC. I know I am too Herb Brooks for the modern NIL (sorry just threw up a little) era but we need the right players not necessarily the best players at every position. Anyone watching who is still in it? You don't want to be here? Go. You are just chasing the money? Might not be a fit here. I am OK with the hits that will come here.
I'm not advocating for that to be our mantra. I was just curious if there are some folks who understand the mechanics and the budgets better that I do. I'd prefer for college sports not to be a professional sports equivalent, but I think we know the monetary side is here to stay at least to some degree.
If the college model REALLY becomes all about money and NIL contracts then I will sadly put my support elsewhere. I cannot support a team of money first, me next, and team last. If that is what we are going to get then I think college hockey as the system I love to support is done. How sad is that.
Question for those who know more than I do on this topic. I read an article about how BC once offered Misa $1.4MM to go there. Projections seem to indicate Coyle is allocating roughly $1MM to hockey from the revenue share. Is that the entirety of the budget for player acquisition or are there more dollars the hockey program might be able to access. Seems like for a player of that projected caliber you'd have to spend the farm to get them if $1.4MM didn't convince Misa the first time. I also wonder how our budget compares to other programs like the BC/BU/Michigan/Denver etc..
I am not too familiar with how much money is being thrown around. I will caution that any rumors of numbers you hear is way too inflated. Agents are now involved and they are trying to drive up the price. Football had the same problem where there were rumors of $10M for a QB. It was closer to $2M.
I was under the impression that a Canadian kid like Misa isn't even allowed to make NIL money?
I was under the impression that a Canadian kid like Misa isn't even allowed to make NIL money?
Correct. @skiumahlaw can elaborate more but my understanding is that they can not make money because of their Visas. Also though there is work being done to make it possible if I understand correctly. They can though make money in their own country which is how some workaround that.
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I was under the impression that a Canadian kid like Misa isn't even allowed to make NIL money?
Correct. @skiumahlaw can elaborate more but my understanding is that they can not make money because of their Visas. Also though there is work being done to make it possible if I understand correctly. They can though make money in their own country which is how some workaround that.
misa would have to sign say a deal with CCM-Canada and could only advertise there. There will be NIL workarounds which is also why I’d strongly suspect he’d sign in the northeast if he’s going to (I think he goes straight pro)
only real chance is if someone like Chicago signs him and says go to MN to play a year so you’re close and we can come watch you
Question for those who know more than I do on this topic. I read an article about how BC once offered Misa $1.4MM to go there. Projections seem to indicate Coyle is allocating roughly $1MM to hockey from the revenue share. Is that the entirety of the budget for player acquisition or are there more dollars the hockey program might be able to access. Seems like for a player of that projected caliber you'd have to spend the farm to get them if $1.4MM didn't convince Misa the first time. I also wonder how our budget compares to other programs like the BC/BU/Michigan/Denver etc..
First of all, I doubt that number. And if it is true then BC is stupid...
Second, I would guess that number came from the collective not BC themselves. If it is NIL (again...stupid) then it would have nothing to do with Coyle anyways as it would be up to the collective to decide.
If college hockey teams are paying out that kind of money for talent then we have crossed the rubicon of stupidity.
edit: didn't know he is Canadian...then I 100% doubt the number.
Question for those who know more than I do on this topic. I read an article about how BC once offered Misa $1.4MM to go there. Projections seem to indicate Coyle is allocating roughly $1MM to hockey from the revenue share. Is that the entirety of the budget for player acquisition or are there more dollars the hockey program might be able to access. Seems like for a player of that projected caliber you'd have to spend the farm to get them if $1.4MM didn't convince Misa the first time. I also wonder how our budget compares to other programs like the BC/BU/Michigan/Denver etc..
First of all, I doubt that number. And if it is true then BC is stupid...
Second, I would guess that number came from the collective not BC themselves. If it is NIL (again...stupid) then it would have nothing to do with Coyle anyways as it would be up to the collective to decide.
If college hockey teams are paying out that kind of money for talent then we have crossed the rubicon of stupidity.
edit: didn't know he is Canadian...then I 100% doubt the number.
they just do this type of shit so don't put it past them if they're crazy enough
Success With Honor launches NIL ad in a foreign language
Anyone have any idea why Twin Cities Hockey tweeted out the eyes emoji and in the comments said it was regarding the Gophers? Hopefully it’s good news.
Anyone have any idea why Twin Cities Hockey tweeted out the eyes emoji and in the comments said it was regarding the Gophers? Hopefully it’s good news.
Seems to be about the Tate Pritchard rumors.
Seems to be about the Tate Pritchard rumors.
Seems that the sky is falling in Mankato over this
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Poor Danny Myers. I may have to send him a big towel for his tears. I'm sure he was just as upset when a Gopher recruit who was committed decided to go somewhere else or when Pitlick just happened to show up on campus.
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Poor Danny Myers. I may have to send him a big towel for his tears. I'm sure he was just as upset when a Gopher recruit who was committed decided to go somewhere else or when Pitlick just happened to show up on campus.
cash or whatever else...
Yes because if I'm a player I'd certainly pick Mankato over the training staff, education, and long term connections over MN, UND, DU, BC, BU, MI, etc. This has been the case since forever. doesn't he know Pritchard is way too young to be playing at Kato anyway at 20?
Recruits also reneged on commitments and chose bigger schools long before NIL. Odd gripe. Never fun but college coaches are always needing to pivot.
I’m choosing to translate “whatever else” to “a system you can actually develop in.”
As someone mentioned on twitter, I don’t remember anyone crying for the Gophers when Eiserman decided to commit to BU.
To be clear, I’m not bashing Eiserman and I understand his reasoning but the sentiment remains nonetheless.
Anyone have any idea why Twin Cities Hockey tweeted out the eyes emoji and in the comments said it was regarding the Gophers? Hopefully it’s good news.
Seems to be about the Tate Pritchard rumors.
Any insider info on this folks? Looks like a bigger kid with good production in USHL.
Nothing official...certainly a lot of smoke. Would aid in team getting bigger and older and seems to have a mean streak.
Anyone have any idea why Twin Cities Hockey tweeted out the eyes emoji and in the comments said it was regarding the Gophers? Hopefully it’s good news.
Seems to be about the Tate Pritchard rumors.
Any insider info on this folks? Looks like a bigger kid with good production in USHL.
Nothing official...certainly a lot of smoke. Would aid in team getting bigger and older and seems to have a mean streak.
Looks like he is friends with Ludtke based on his X feed.
Anyone have any idea why Twin Cities Hockey tweeted out the eyes emoji and in the comments said it was regarding the Gophers? Hopefully it’s good news.
Seems to be about the Tate Pritchard rumors.
Any insider info on this folks? Looks like a bigger kid with good production in USHL.
Nothing official...certainly a lot of smoke. Would aid in team getting bigger and older and seems to have a mean streak.
Looks like he is friends with Ludtke based on his X feed.
Eeyore over on the other site is against it, so I'm for it.
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Anyone have any idea why Twin Cities Hockey tweeted out the eyes emoji and in the comments said it was regarding the Gophers? Hopefully it’s good news.
Seems to be about the Tate Pritchard rumors.
Any insider info on this folks? Looks like a bigger kid with good production in USHL.
Nothing official...certainly a lot of smoke. Would aid in team getting bigger and older and seems to have a mean streak.
Looks like he is friends with Ludtke based on his X feed.
Eyesore over on the other site is against it, so I'm for it.
even if we somehow convinced Misa to come here there would still be complaints there
wallberg with steam to WMU
Anyone have any idea why Twin Cities Hockey tweeted out the eyes emoji and in the comments said it was regarding the Gophers? Hopefully it’s good news.
Seems to be about the Tate Pritchard rumors.
Any insider info on this folks? Looks like a bigger kid with good production in USHL.
Nothing official...certainly a lot of smoke. Would aid in team getting bigger and older and seems to have a mean streak.
Looks like he is friends with Ludtke based on his X feed.
Lakeville South teammates.
Anyone have any idea why Twin Cities Hockey tweeted out the eyes emoji and in the comments said it was regarding the Gophers? Hopefully it’s good news.
Seems to be about the Tate Pritchard rumors.
Any insider info on this folks? Looks like a bigger kid with good production in USHL.
Nothing official...certainly a lot of smoke. Would aid in team getting bigger and older and seems to have a mean streak.
Looks like he is friends with Ludtke based on his X feed.
Eeyore over on the other site is against it, so I'm for it.
I’ve been complaining about the team not playing physical enough so I’m all for getting bigger with some more grit.
When we are good, the other coaches mention how fast we are. We tried to get bigger after LSSU beat us in like 1992 or 1993 and four years later we were like just over a .500 team and Woog lost his job. Big and quick is good but if I have to pick, I chose quick.
In theory yes but with B1G refs that never call anything any speed advantage often gets nullified.When we are good, the other coaches mention how fast we are. We tried to get bigger after LSSU beat us in like 1992 or 1993 and four years later we were like just over a .500 team and Woog lost his job. Big and quick is good but if I have to pick, I chose quick.
The best Lucia teams had both...that is why guys like Grant Potulny and Matt Demarchi are so valuable they let guys like Leopold or Troy Riddle use their speed.
It’s definitely not an all or nothing approach, Motzko’s best teams in terms of forward depth had Cooley, Snuggy, Nelson, Knies, and Brodzinski as well as other depth guys of both types. So yeah you want a mix, not saying to go all in on big and slow haha.
Do you really think adding National Championships to the discussion is a good idea when discussing Motzko?I haven't checked today but I thought they finished first the Big Ten last season.How many games did Michel play this year? How many games did Begley play at forward this year? Clearly the "plan" for this past season was a poor one. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wondering if this years plan will be as bad.I will say I am over all "Bob better have a plan" talk. How damn inept do you think D1 hockey coaches are? Bob has been a D1 hockey coach for over two decades so I know he has a plan. He knew 99% of what has transpired probably for some time now. Coaches have to plan for every possible situation for in-season and off season roster happenings. My bosses have told me about how in their donor meetings with the MSU coaches that they have a roster plan near four years out. That's Mankato for cripes sake! You don't think Bob, Miller, and Gordon have their crap figured out for years ahead? Good lord! This keyboard warrior great hockey mind crap just needs to stop!
Rant over...
Please name a program that wins the national championship every year.
If you do check on their record today, do me a favor and add up all the playoff games they won.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people looking at who the Gophers are bringing in, contrasting that with who they are losing, and being nervous about how it will all shake out
People are responding to you saying Motzko had a bad plan this year. It was probably a top three team in the country talent-wise that could beat anyone, and got screwed by refs not calling 2 tripping penalties that led to goals. Those two penalties are called and who knows what happens with this team, especially with MSU and BC out, the two teams I would say could compete talent-wise with MN this year. MN depth at D was ridiculous this year and when healthy, they might have had the best forth line in the country. One more forward would have been nice once guys went down, but I have a feeling he was able to keep D players around by saying at least they might get a shot at forward. To criticize this year's 'plan', to have team stacked with talent from top to bottom was 'poor' just doesn't hold water. Should Motzko have 26 first rounders?
Should Motzko have 26 first rounders?
Even if we had that, people would be yelling when 80% of them were gone after sophomore year and saying "What's Bobs plan???"
I don't buy top 3, I'd say this team was more in the 5-8 range. Part of that is they really only had one style of play that they could execute effectively, and really struggled against teams that beat them in the neutral zone. I think this season's ending, as painful as it was with the way it happened, was probably fitting for how the team played a lot of the season, especially since the new year.
So currently probably looking at something like this? They've already pretty much got the numbers, but definitely lacking some high end talent. I think the biggest hole is a lack of a great offensive defenseman. It would also be great to not have to bring Phillips, Grimes, and Rombach in next year as they're all so young.
Ziemer-Clark-Lamb
Ludtke-Pahlsson-Pritchard
Mooney-Hendrickson-Townsend
Moore-J. Mittelstadt-Falloon
J. Nevers
Thomas-Gruba
L. Mittelstadt-Whipple
Rombach-Grimes
Phillips, Begley
Airey/Di Pasquo
Wiese
So currently probably looking at something like this? They've already pretty much got the numbers, but definitely lacking some high end talent. I think the biggest hole is a lack of a great offensive defenseman. It would also be great to not have to bring Phillips, Grimes, and Rombach in next year as they're all so young.
Ziemer-Clark-Lamb
Ludtke-Pahlsson-Pritchard
Mooney-Hendrickson-Townsend
Moore-J. Mittelstadt-Falloon
J. Nevers
Thomas-Gruba
L. Mittelstadt-Whipple
Rombach-Grimes
Phillips, Begley
Airey/Di Pasquo
Wiese
is pritchard actually in yet at this point? This lineup is going to struggle goals and probably take its lumps early as those D men adapt to the college game. They should be a lot heavier and harder checking with pretty decent team speed up front. think the question will be if Bob coaches a style change this year to suit his guys in being more physical. lacking in top end talent but there is enough there to still be good, but you aren't going to beat MSU, BU or BC (or to a lesser extent, MI) playing shootout up and down hockey with this crew.
So currently probably looking at something like this? They've already pretty much got the numbers, but definitely lacking some high end talent. I think the biggest hole is a lack of a great offensive defenseman. It would also be great to not have to bring Phillips, Grimes, and Rombach in next year as they're all so young.
Ziemer-Clark-Lamb
Ludtke-Pahlsson-Pritchard
Mooney-Hendrickson-Townsend
Moore-J. Mittelstadt-Falloon
J. Nevers
Thomas-Gruba
L. Mittelstadt-Whipple
Rombach-Grimes
Phillips, Begley
Airey/Di Pasquo
Wiese
Do we really think J Nevers is coming? Wouldn’t he play 1 more in USHL?
Also, for the “not enough top end talent” group. I trust the coaching staff to adapt to the talent. You look at the Frozen Four and aside from BU and Buium the other teams do not have folks people would call “high end talent” immediately. They have players that surprised as freshman (Fink and Bump last year) or developed into high level contributors (all of Denver’s forwards).
Fish grow to fill the bowl. Do I wish we had the 2022 roster? Of course. But doesn’t mean the 2025 roster won’t be competitive.
I am very likely too 'died in the wool Gopher' to be even involved in this conversation but if throwing millions of dollars at a player will not get them to your school... DO YOU WANT THEM? Yes, super talented, super high end. We HAVE HAD that and still really have that. That does not translate to an end run to the NC. I know I am too Herb Brooks for the modern NIL (sorry just threw up a little) era but we need the right players not necessarily the best players at every position. Anyone watching who is still in it? You don't want to be here? Go. You are just chasing the money? Might not be a fit here. I am OK with the hits that will come here.
There are examples of those super high level players being the difference. For the Gophs, Vannek seemed unstoppable in NCAA and worked out well. Gothespiere, Makar.... There are also cases where it hasn't mattered, but I don't think it is because they don't compete well enough if they didn't bleed the school colors since they were 5 yrs old. Superstars don't get to be that good by not having an incredible drive to win. Losses in NCAA are despite their play, often due to hot goalie, bad bounce or refs failing to call a couple trips that result in goals.
So currently probably looking at something like this? They've already pretty much got the numbers, but definitely lacking some high end talent. I think the biggest hole is a lack of a great offensive defenseman. It would also be great to not have to bring Phillips, Grimes, and Rombach in next year as they're all so young.
Ziemer-Clark-Lamb
Ludtke-Pahlsson-Pritchard
Mooney-Hendrickson-Townsend
Moore-J. Mittelstadt-Falloon
J. Nevers
Thomas-Gruba
L. Mittelstadt-Whipple
Rombach-Grimes
Phillips, Begley
Airey/Di Pasquo
Wiese
is pritchard actually in yet at this point? This lineup is going to struggle goals and probably take its lumps early as those D men adapt to the college game. They should be a lot heavier and harder checking with pretty decent team speed up front. think the question will be if Bob coaches a style change this year to suit his guys in being more physical. lacking in top end talent but there is enough there to still be good, but you aren't going to beat MSU, BU or BC (or to a lesser extent, MI) playing shootout up and down hockey with this crew.
Pritchard is not official. In fact, I 'heard' there was a different incoming MSU-Mankato commit looking at Minnesota. Not sure how true or not.
Mr Myers seems to think half of the MSU recruiting class is being poached by Bob. 😆
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Looking at their commit list (outside of Kraft, who most have indicated is not decommitting), Jack Kernan would be logical. Strong year for Des Moines; Maple Grove native.
Lot of smoke around MSU recruits but nothing official so we'll just have to be patient with how it plays out.
Looking at their commit list (outside of Kraft, who most have indicated is not decommitting), Jack Kernan would be logical. Strong year for Des Moines; Maple Grove native.
Lot of smoke around MSU recruits but nothing official so we'll just have to be patient with how it plays out.
Ding, ding, ding!!!
You have a lot more faith than I do in the coaching staff. While I like Bob, I’ve been waiting for him to come up with a scheme to deal with teams who play some version of a trap. I’ve also been waiting for him to develop centers to win faceoffs.So currently probably looking at something like this? They've already pretty much got the numbers, but definitely lacking some high end talent. I think the biggest hole is a lack of a great offensive defenseman. It would also be great to not have to bring Phillips, Grimes, and Rombach in next year as they're all so young.
Ziemer-Clark-Lamb
Ludtke-Pahlsson-Pritchard
Mooney-Hendrickson-Townsend
Moore-J. Mittelstadt-Falloon
J. Nevers
Thomas-Gruba
L. Mittelstadt-Whipple
Rombach-Grimes
Phillips, Begley
Airey/Di Pasquo
Wiese
Do we really think J Nevers is coming? Wouldn’t he play 1 more in USHL?
Also, for the “not enough top end talent” group. I trust the coaching staff to adapt to the talent. You look at the Frozen Four and aside from BU and Buium the other teams do not have folks people would call “high end talent” immediately. They have players that surprised as freshman (Fink and Bump last year) or developed into high level contributors (all of Denver’s forwards).
Fish grow to fill the bowl. Do I wish we had the 2022 roster? Of course. But doesn’t mean the 2025 roster won’t be competitive.
Neither has progressed at all over the years and that baffles me. Will this be the year he changes tactics (like Lucia in 2003)? Or will he coach this team like he did the 2023 team, laden with superstars?
Losing barely under 50% of your faceoffs really isn't a huge game changer. It was also driven by one guy (Pahlsson) being horrible at them.
If we’re concerned about forward depth, we have a guy that’s the first line center on a decent Madison team do we not?
So currently probably looking at something like this? They've already pretty much got the numbers, but definitely lacking some high end talent. I think the biggest hole is a lack of a great offensive defenseman. It would also be great to not have to bring Phillips, Grimes, and Rombach in next year as they're all so young.
Ziemer-Clark-Lamb
Ludtke-Pahlsson-Pritchard
Mooney-Hendrickson-Townsend
Moore-J. Mittelstadt-Falloon
J. Nevers
Thomas-Gruba
L. Mittelstadt-Whipple
Rombach-Grimes
Phillips, Begley
Airey/Di Pasquo
Wiese
Has there been any information about defensemen Max Rudd's plan for next year? He will turn 22 years old in September.
He played two full seasons in the USHL for Sioux Falls and then 20 games for the Gophers as a freshmen before red shirting this past season.
Don’t think it matters. If he’s a big part of the lineup we’re in trouble. He will be depth. He is the son of the guy that was a motzko assistant at St. Cloud so I don’t think he’s a flight risk and even if he is, not really a problem.
I get what you are saying I brought him up as a possibility as the 7th/8th defensemen. If he stays and a defensemen transfers here from the portal it would seem to give one or more of defensemen recruits a chance to play a year in juniors.
Tate Pritchard rumors aside, I would love to see Kraft de-commit from Mankato and become a Gopher. I believe he committed to Mankato in early 2023, well before he was putting up the numbers he put up as a senior. Would like to think his outstanding senior year would perhaps get him thinking about other possibilities (such as following in the footsteps of his dad).
So currently probably looking at something like this? They've already pretty much got the numbers, but definitely lacking some high end talent. I think the biggest hole is a lack of a great offensive defenseman. It would also be great to not have to bring Phillips, Grimes, and Rombach in next year as they're all so young.
Ziemer-Clark-Lamb
Ludtke-Pahlsson-Pritchard
Mooney-Hendrickson-Townsend
Moore-J. Mittelstadt-Falloon
J. Nevers
Thomas-Gruba
L. Mittelstadt-Whipple
Rombach-Grimes
Phillips, Begley
Airey/Di Pasquo
Wiese
Nevers and Grimes ain’t coming in
Also Pritchard wouldn’t play top 6 over Mooney that’s a little silly
As far as the Pritchard commitment, 90% sure it’s happening but if it does it’ll be more of the silent type with it being such a late decommitment. Not expecting a ton of fanfare on social media from him. We’ll know more from Sioux City’s line chart this weekend.
As far as the Pritchard commitment, 90% sure it’s happening but if it does it’ll be more of the silent type with it being such a late decommitment. Not expecting a ton of fanfare on social media from him. We’ll know more from Sioux City’s line chart this weekend.
@butters-stotch said Jack Kernan, so is it both he and Pritchard?
Would be happy with either, happier with both.
The Gophers had top 3 talent...but they were not a top 3 team especially the last month of the season. I get the refs jobbed them on two goals but they were not winning anything. If a team played a trap the Gophers were destined to lose.