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ADMIN: This is a new thread containing the last year + of the old thread.

Tommy Lasorda has died. He was 93


   
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No stinking * after his totals.

755 is still it as far as I'm concerned.


   
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Amazing thing is he never hit 50 in a year. Just consistently dinged 40 plus over the course of 25 years. Not to mention he’s a 25 time all star from ‘55-‘75. Every single year. Hats off to a fallen legend.

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Career RBI leader also.


   
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YoungEagle wrote:

Amazing thing is he never hit 50 in a year. Just consistently dinged 40 plus over the course of 25 years. Not to mention he’s a 25 time all star from ‘55-‘75. Every single year. Hats off to a fallen legend.

It appears the money GE spent for YE's college education was well spent.

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MNNavy wrote:

YoungEagle wrote:

Amazing thing is he never hit 50 in a year. Just consistently dinged 40 plus over the course of 25 years. Not to mention he’s a 25 time all star from ‘55-‘75. Every single year. Hats off to a fallen legend.

It appears the money GE spent for YE's college education was well spent.

Ha funny. I didn’t realise that when I pulled the info from:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/aaronha01.shtml

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Maybe it's more noticeable because of COVID but the last 12 months has seen a huge number of deaths of bona fide legends.


   
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Maybe it's more noticeable because of COVID but the last 12 months has seen a huge number of deaths of bona fide legends.

Several pieces of my youth are breaking off and disappearing in the breeze. :(


   
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Maybe it's more noticeable because of COVID but the last 12 months has seen a huge number of deaths of bona fide legends.

10 HoFers in 13 months, and Frank Robinson not long before that.


   
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Growing up in the 60's, when we were playing ball and you were in the outfield, you were either Aaron, Mantle or Mays. Tony Oliva also of course, being with the Twins. I can quite clearly remember #715 off Al Downing of the Dodgers on Monday Night Baseball. The shadows of my own age grow longer as the heroes of my youth pass on. :(


   
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MNNavy wrote:

YoungEagle wrote:

Amazing thing is he never hit 50 in a year. Just consistently dinged 40 plus over the course of 25 years. Not to mention he’s a 25 time all star from ‘55-‘75. Every single year. Hats off to a fallen legend.

It appears the money GE spent for YE's college education was well spent.

Somehow I refrained from making the comment that 25x40 must equal 755 in new math


   
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Zwak wrote:

Maybe it's more noticeable because of COVID but the last 12 months has seen a huge number of deaths of bona fide legends.

Pretty sure about 2 weeks ago they showed Hank on the news getting his Covid shot.


   
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MNNavy wrote:

YoungEagle wrote:

Amazing thing is he never hit 50 in a year. Just consistently dinged 40 plus over the course of 25 years. Not to mention he’s a 25 time all star from ‘55-‘75. Every single year. Hats off to a fallen legend.

It appears the money GE spent for YE's college education was well spent.

YE's reply notwithstanding Mr. Green


   
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YoungEagle wrote:

MNNavy wrote:

YoungEagle wrote:

Amazing thing is he never hit 50 in a year. Just consistently dinged 40 plus over the course of 25 years. Not to mention he’s a 25 time all star from ‘55-‘75. Every single year. Hats off to a fallen legend.

It appears the money GE spent for YE's college education was well spent.

Ha funny. I didn’t realise that when I pulled the info from:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/aaronha01.shtmlbr >

I followed the link YE provided. From '59-'62, they played two all-star games. That explains how Hammerin' Hank got 25 appearances in 21 years.

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MNNavy wrote:

YoungEagle wrote:

Amazing thing is he never hit 50 in a year. Just consistently dinged 40 plus over the course of 25 years. Not to mention he’s a 25 time all star from ‘55-‘75. Every single year. Hats off to a fallen legend.

It appears the money GE spent for YE's college education was well spent.

Apparently the same math was used to determine it's 'his' cabin. Mr. Green

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Greyeagle wrote:

MNNavy wrote:

YoungEagle wrote:

Amazing thing is he never hit 50 in a year. Just consistently dinged 40 plus over the course of 25 years. Not to mention he’s a 25 time all star from ‘55-‘75. Every single year. Hats off to a fallen legend.

It appears the money GE spent for YE's college education was well spent.

Apparently the same math was used to determine it's 'his' cabin. Mr. Green

Actually you’d better make sure he paid the right amount of property taxes. Would hate to see your reaction if it were all boarded up come summer ;)


   
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[media] https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1355325238054187008 [/media]

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The who?


   
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Arenado traded to St. Louis.


   
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On Tweeter, Super 70s Sports declared that from 1997-2003, Pedro was the most dominant pitcher. I offered up Randy Johnson. Turned out, there is a lot of support for that argument. What say you?

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The Rube wrote:

On Tweeter, Super 70s Sports declared that from 1997-2003, Pedro was the most dominant pitcher. I offered up Randy Johnson. Turned out, there is a lot of support for that argument. What say you?

Both were absolutely incredible, but I'd give the edge to Pedro because he did it in the AL where offenses are generally better (because they have the DH, and the NL continues to insist on 11% of their batting order being essentially an automatic out at least twice a game).

His 2000 season is maybe the best single season a pitcher has had in my (almost) 33 years of existence. 18-6 with a 1.74 ERA, 7 CG, 4 shutouts. He struck out 284 hitters and only allowed 170 to reach base safely (46 of them via walk/HBP). Those are like MVP Baseball on Rookie mode numbers.

5 times out of 7 years he lead the league in WHIP, and the two years he didn't he had WHIP of 0.934 and 1.091. His WORST ERA in that stretch was 2.89 which is insane, especially factoring in where he pitched (Fenway and the other AL East bandbox Yankee Stadium) and the fact that that was essentially peak juicing time.

Johnson's 1998 season before the trade was borderline poor (4.33 ERA in 20+ starts in Seattle) but he got traded to the NL and his numbers immediately went back to ungodly. To me, the most impressive thing about that time for Randy Johnson? He was 33 in 1997. He put up video game numbers for 6-7 years still.


   
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I really discount ERA, because that also relies on your team. WHIP is the true ERA, IMO, and I'm generally anti-analytic. That is what is really driving my question here, to be honest.

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Beauner wrote:

The Rube wrote:

On Tweeter, Super 70s Sports declared that from 1997-2003, Pedro was the most dominant pitcher. I offered up Randy Johnson. Turned out, there is a lot of support for that argument. What say you?

Both were absolutely incredible, but I'd give the edge to Pedro because he did it in the AL where offenses are generally better (because they have the DH, and the NL continues to insist on 11% of their batting order being essentially an automatic out at least twice a game).

His 2000 season is maybe the best single season a pitcher has had in my (almost) 33 years of existence. 18-6 with a 1.74 ERA, 7 CG, 4 shutouts. He struck out 284 hitters and only allowed 170 to reach base safely (46 of them via walk/HBP). Those are like MVP Baseball on Rookie mode numbers.

5 times out of 7 years he lead the league in WHIP, and the two years he didn't he had WHIP of 0.934 and 1.091. His WORST ERA in that stretch was 2.89 which is insane, especially factoring in where he pitched (Fenway and the other AL East bandbox Yankee Stadium) and the fact that that was essentially peak juicing time.

Johnson's 1998 season before the trade was borderline poor (4.33 ERA in 20+ starts in Seattle) but he got traded to the NL and his numbers immediately went back to ungodly. To me, the most impressive thing about that time for Randy Johnson? He was 33 in 1997. He put up video game numbers for 6-7 years still.

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The Rube wrote:

I really discount ERA, because that also relies on your team. WHIP is the true ERA, IMO, and I'm generally anti-analytic. That is what is really driving my question here, to be honest.

Then Greg Maddux is your man.


   
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Bertogliat wrote:

The Rube wrote:

I really discount ERA, because that also relies on your team. WHIP is the true ERA, IMO, and I'm generally anti-analytic. That is what is really driving my question here, to be honest.

Then Greg Maddux is your man.

Easily one of the most dominant pitchers of my adult lifetime.


   
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Bertogliat wrote:

The Rube wrote:

I really discount ERA, because that also relies on your team. WHIP is the true ERA, IMO, and I'm generally anti-analytic. That is what is really driving my question here, to be honest.

Then Greg Maddux is your man.

Maddux’s career WHIP is 1.143 and a career 3.16 ERA

I just looked at his stats again. In 1995 he went 19-2 with a 1.63 ERA in 209.2 innings in 28 starts. He had 10 complete games and a .811 WHIP

That’s a ridiculous season


   
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davescharf wrote:

Bertogliat wrote:

The Rube wrote:

I really discount ERA, because that also relies on your team. WHIP is the true ERA, IMO, and I'm generally anti-analytic. That is what is really driving my question here, to be honest.

Then Greg Maddux is your man.

Maddux’s career WHIP is 1.143 and a career 3.16 ERA

I just looked at his stats again. In 1995 he went 19-2 with a 1.63 ERA in 209.2 innings in 28 starts. He had 10 complete games and a .811 WHIP

That’s a ridiculous season

Detailed pitch count data only goes back to 1988 but during his career Maddux had 13 complete game shutouts where he threw under 100 pitches.


   
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davescharf wrote:

Bertogliat wrote:

The Rube wrote:

I really discount ERA, because that also relies on your team. WHIP is the true ERA, IMO, and I'm generally anti-analytic. That is what is really driving my question here, to be honest.

Then Greg Maddux is your man.

Maddux’s career WHIP is 1.143 and a career 3.16 ERA

I just looked at his stats again. In 1995 he went 19-2 with a 1.63 ERA in 209.2 innings in 28 starts. He had 10 complete games and a .811 WHIP

That’s a ridiculous season

He played a long time. He started young (20) and finished when he was 42. His numbers during his prime 1988-2002 were ridiculous. He didn't walk people.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maddugr01.shtml


   
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Bertogliat wrote:

davescharf wrote:

Bertogliat wrote:

The Rube wrote:

I really discount ERA, because that also relies on your team. WHIP is the true ERA, IMO, and I'm generally anti-analytic. That is what is really driving my question here, to be honest.

Then Greg Maddux is your man.

Maddux’s career WHIP is 1.143 and a career 3.16 ERA

I just looked at his stats again. In 1995 he went 19-2 with a 1.63 ERA in 209.2 innings in 28 starts. He had 10 complete games and a .811 WHIP

That’s a ridiculous season

He played a long time. He started young (20) and finished when he was 42. His numbers during his prime 1988-2002 were ridiculous. He didn't walk people.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maddugr01.shtmlbr >

Yeah - I wasn’t trying to refute your statement. The WHIP number is misleading because of his 23 years though because it’s 64th all time.

He was so much fun to watch in the 90s.


   
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That Braves staff as a whole was ridiculous at times. Maddox, Smoltz, Glavine, Avery...


   
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Maddux was so sick.

Pedro was very dominant, but it's not a slam-dunk case of being MOST dominant.

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I'm hearing the Twins came in a distant second Wink

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Man that’s a lot of money for a pitcher that had a fantastic short season and a career 3.9 ERA


   
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I'm hearing the Twins came in a distant second Wink

[media] https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1357782745087434752 [/media]br>

This is great! When we face them in the World Series Kepler will go yard four or five times in that game.


   
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He's not worth that money in the AL and may not be worth that money outside the NL Central either.

He's a good pitcher but he's a douche and, as stated before, has basically had about 12 very good months in his career.


   
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Beauner wrote:

He's not worth that money in the AL and may not be worth that money outside the NL Central either.

He's a good pitcher but he's a douche and, as stated before, has basically had about 12 very good months in his career.

These contracts seem like self inflicted wounds for the owners, collectively. Has to make winning arbitration a bich. You’d think eventually they’ll set a cap.


   
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Bertogliat wrote:

Beauner wrote:

He's not worth that money in the AL and may not be worth that money outside the NL Central either.

He's a good pitcher but he's a douche and, as stated before, has basically had about 12 very good months in his career.

These contracts seem like self inflicted wounds for the owners, collectively. Has to make winning arbitration a bich. You’d think eventually they’ll set a cap.

The "cap" is a luxury tax basically. It's not cheap if you're over it. Even the Yankees and Red Sox have cut salaries to try to get underneath it. I can't remember the exact specifics but the longer time you spend over the luxury tax, the higher it goes.


   
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Padres sign Fernando Tatis to a 14-year deal. To put that in perspective, by the time his contract ends, there will only be one year left on Bobby Bonilla's contract with the Mets.


   
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Padres sign Fernando Tatis to a 14-year deal. To put that in perspective, by the time his contract ends, there will only be one year left on Bobby Bonilla's contract with the Mets.

For $340 million. Shock Shock Shock

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Former Twins all-star Brian Dozier announces his retirement

Only 33, a little on the young side.

https://www.twincities.com/2021/02/18/former-twins-all-star-brian-dozier-announces-his-retirement/


   
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Maize wrote:

Padres sign Fernando Tatis to a 14-year deal. To put that in perspective, by the time his contract ends, there will only be one year left on Bobby Bonilla's contract with the Mets.

I thought you were kidding. I looked it up and you're not. Holy crap. Bonilla hasn't played since 2001 and will get paid $1.19M every July 1st until 2035.

All this to avoid paying him $5.9M in 2001. :crazy:


   
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Bertogliat wrote:

Maize wrote:

Padres sign Fernando Tatis to a 14-year deal. To put that in perspective, by the time his contract ends, there will only be one year left on Bobby Bonilla's contract with the Mets.

I thought you were kidding. I looked it up and you're not. Holy crap. Bonilla hasn't played since 2001 and will get paid $1.19M every July 1st until 2035.

All this to avoid paying him $5.9M in 2001. :crazy:

Bobby Bonilla day is a meme for a reason. LoL


   
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Brian Dozier announces his retirement.


   
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Bertogliat wrote:

Maize wrote:

Padres sign Fernando Tatis to a 14-year deal. To put that in perspective, by the time his contract ends, there will only be one year left on Bobby Bonilla's contract with the Mets.

I thought you were kidding. I looked it up and you're not. Holy crap. Bonilla hasn't played since 2001 and will get paid $1.19M every July 1st until 2035.

All this to avoid paying him $5.9M in 2001. :crazy:

As Steve said, Bobby Bonilla Day is a thing.

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The Rube wrote:

Bertogliat wrote:

Maize wrote:

Padres sign Fernando Tatis to a 14-year deal. To put that in perspective, by the time his contract ends, there will only be one year left on Bobby Bonilla's contract with the Mets.

I thought you were kidding. I looked it up and you're not. Holy crap. Bonilla hasn't played since 2001 and will get paid $1.19M every July 1st until 2035.

All this to avoid paying him $5.9M in 2001. :crazy:

As Steve said, Bobby Bonilla Day is a thing.

I am admittedly not up to date on memes. I likely have seen Bonilla related memes and moved along because I wasn’t aware of the contract.

It approaches the Hershel Walker trade for stupidity.


   
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