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Great news. Hope the others follow. Will Nelson wear the "C"?


   
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Love that the big rig is back! Keep ‘em coming!

Come on Logan sign up for some bare minimum general studies classes and let’s Roll! 

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It warms my heart that the Farm Kid is officially back. I assume Brodzy and Closer will soon announce that they will be back as well.

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Hopefully the dominoes start falling in the right direction 


   
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Nelson, Close and Brodzy are a package deal as far as I can tell. One wouldn’t come back while the others leave and get stuck as the only guy in his class. Nelson signing basically guarantees Close and Brodzinski. 


   
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Pumped Jaxon is back. He’s a big body center and our most trusted faceoff man last year. Still can improve and be more consistent in his game. 


   
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Send Pichora back to juniors and roll 4 with Close, Bartoskziewicz, Airey and Wiese. Redshirt Airey. That’s in a perfect world. 


   
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I would be shocked if Pichora ever wears the maroon and gold. 

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Great news on Nelson. This forward group should be deep.


   
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It was hinted to me that Nelson coming back for the year was a lynchpin for the rest of the players with undecided options about coming back. Nelson being the first to make it official is significant to me that Gopher fans are going to continue hearing good news the rest of the month.


   
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Posted by: @eric-vegoe

It was hinted to me that Nelson coming back for the year was a lynchpin for the rest of the players with undecided options about coming back. Nelson being the first to make it official is significant to me that Gopher fans are going to continue hearing good news the rest of the month.

 

That is FANTASTIC news! 

 

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Posted by: @eric-vegoe

It was hinted to me that Nelson coming back for the year was a lynchpin for the rest of the players with undecided options about coming back. Nelson being the first to make it official is significant to me that Gopher fans are going to continue hearing good news the rest of the month.

I think we'll get one a day for the rest of the week. 

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Posted by: @frozen4champs

I would be shocked if Pichora ever wears the maroon and gold. 

So would I but as long as he stays committed he’s part of the plans moving forward?‍♂️

 


   




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I love that Jaxon is coming back. Going 3 deep with good centermen is HUGE (see MN Wild roster for a negative example). Pretty confident he gets a C on his chest. 

Brings back the question - especially if Cooley returns - how does Motzko handle his lines? Jaxon comes back to be 3C? Who shifts to wing - Hugelen or Moore?

Dare I say the secondary scoring on this team should take a step forward from last year? Significant competition for forward minutes with upperclassmen and a year of development from guys like Kurth and Lamb. A little better puck luck for a snakebit guy like Hugelen. We will need it because another 150 point first line would be unlikely even with the talent. 

Also looks like scratch city for guys like Pinoniemi and Strobel. Are Hendrickson and/or Clark for sure joining the roster? Think I read previously an incorrect portal closure date. It is the 18th right? So we assumedly see Brodzo and Closer announcements in the next two days and solidify roster space for incoming freshmen. Historically small freshmen class? 3-4 players?


   
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Excellent news!  It made my day, I can’t  wait to hear from the others.


   
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Posted by: @frozen4champs

Marek seems to think it may be tied to the arena vote.

https://twitter.com/MN_NCAA/status/1658465213027319808

I’m not claiming it truly has anything to do with his decision, but Tempe told the Coyotes to go kick rocks today. 

 


   
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Odd. Even if an arena is approved it’s not built for 3 years. If it’s not, it’s not like Cooley is staying in MN for four years to avoid his tie to AZ in hopes of free agency. 

The arena seems like an odd tie. 


   
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This tweet response to Jess made me laugh:

 

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Team should be loaded again next season regardless, but there is no denying Cooley’s decision is the X-Factor


   
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Posted by: @mikeeruzione11

Team should be loaded again next season regardless, but there is no denying Cooley’s decision is the X-Factor

While there’s no doubt it’s a big decision, this team is DANGEROUS even without Cooley. Cooley’s just the icing on the cake for me. 

 


   




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@jdpuck04 

Sounding like Hendrickson and Clark will both play USHL next year which is good cause there aren’t big minutes waiting for them here. Unclear whether or not Hendrickson was able to accelerate in time but it sounds like he hasn’t.

The team without Cooley goes Moore, Huglen, Nelson down the middle. That’s really really good. I think Moore will replace more of Cooley’s scoring than people on here realize, he’s so good. Add Cooley to this roster and it’s a better offensive team than last year which led the nation with 4.2 goals per game. ?


   
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Posted by: @jdpuck04

I love that Jaxon is coming back. Going 3 deep with good centermen is HUGE (see MN Wild roster for a negative example). Pretty confident he gets a C on his chest. 

Brings back the question - especially if Cooley returns - how does Motzko handle his lines? Jaxon comes back to be 3C? Who shifts to wing - Hugelen or Moore?

Dare I say the secondary scoring on this team should take a step forward from last year? Significant competition for forward minutes with upperclassmen and a year of development from guys like Kurth and Lamb. A little better puck luck for a snakebit guy like Hugelen. We will need it because another 150 point first line would be unlikely even with the talent. 

Also looks like scratch city for guys like Pinoniemi and Strobel. Are Hendrickson and/or Clark for sure joining the roster? Think I read previously an incorrect portal closure date. It is the 18th right? So we assumedly see Brodzo and Closer announcements in the next two days and solidify roster space for incoming freshmen. Historically small freshmen class? 3-4 players?

 

Not sure how reliable they are, but Elite Prospects has Pichora and Clark coming in next season with Hendrickson coming for 24-25.

 


   
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Posted by: @jdpuck04

I love that Jaxon is coming back. Going 3 deep with good centermen is HUGE (see MN Wild roster for a negative example). Pretty confident he gets a C on his chest. 

Brings back the question - especially if Cooley returns - how does Motzko handle his lines? Jaxon comes back to be 3C? Who shifts to wing - Hugelen or Moore?

Dare I say the secondary scoring on this team should take a step forward from last year? Significant competition for forward minutes with upperclassmen and a year of development from guys like Kurth and Lamb. A little better puck luck for a snakebit guy like Hugelen. We will need it because another 150 point first line would be unlikely even with the talent. 

Also looks like scratch city for guys like Pinoniemi and Strobel. Are Hendrickson and/or Clark for sure joining the roster? Think I read previously an incorrect portal closure date. It is the 18th right? So we assumedly see Brodzo and Closer announcements in the next two days and solidify roster space for incoming freshmen. Historically small freshmen class? 3-4 players?

 

Not sure how reliable they are, but Elite Prospects has Pichora and Clark coming in next season with Hendrickson coming for 24-25.

 

Eliteprospects is a great resource but they aren’t typically reliable on freshman years for recruits. More often than not I think they go off of age. So if a kid has graduated, they default them to the coming year. 

 


   
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Odd. Even if an arena is approved it’s not built for 3 years. If it’s not, it’s not like Cooley is staying in MN for four years to avoid his tie to AZ in hopes of free agency. 

The arena seems like an odd tie. 

Yeah I don't buy it. 

 


   
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From the Jess Myers story on the Farm Kid's return.

“I could’ve signed a contract and played pro hockey, but after the loss my heart said stay and try to win a championship,” said Nelson, who scored the Gophers’ second goal and was on the ice for Quinnipiac’s overtime winner in the NCAA title game.

“I think we’re going to have a really good team again and are not going to bring in too many players, I think,” said Nelson, who centered the Gophers’ second line between Brodzinski and Mason Nevers for much of the season. “It’s going to be pretty much the same group to go at it again. I think that was pretty much the main thing.”

 

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I think it is a wise decision for Nelson to stay another year in college hockey.  He could probably turn pro, but he would be an afterthought in almost any NHL organization.  I actually believe most NHL prospects should turn professional as soon as possible but in some cases like Jaxon Nelson they need to add to their game.

Nelson has improved in every season.  He has increased his point output from 6 points to 15, then just 10 in 26 games in 2021-22, but 27 points last season (10-17-27).   He is solid in every aspect of the game:  defense, penalty kill, faceoffs but can improve in all of those aspects as well.  He is still learning how to properly use his size and strength and if he can add to his offensive production I think more teams will be interested in him as a legitimate prospect rather than a fringe type of guy destined for the lower levels of minor league hockey.

Based on last season, a healthy Nelson can jump to 15 goals and 20+ assists in my opinion especially if he gets more time on the power play and if they return the Nevers-Nelson-Brodzinski line intact which will be a major foundation to put on the ice.


   
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Posted by: @frozen4champs

From the Jess Myers story on the Farm Kid's return.

“I could’ve signed a contract and played pro hockey, but after the loss my heart said stay and try to win a championship,” said Nelson, who scored the Gophers’ second goal and was on the ice for Quinnipiac’s overtime winner in the NCAA title game.

“I think we’re going to have a really good team again and are not going to bring in too many players, I think,” said Nelson, who centered the Gophers’ second line between Brodzinski and Mason Nevers for much of the season. “It’s going to be pretty much the same group to go at it again. I think that was pretty much the main thing.”

 

https://twitter.com/JessRMyers/status/1658874891737894913

You gotta love the culture Bob has built here. It’s only a matter of time until #6, and if history has taught us anything it’s that Gopher hockey wins titles in bunches. 

 


   
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Not sure how reliable this is, but a friend texted me that Cooley, Brodz, and Closer signed new resident leases and are still on Campus. Maybe I missed it, but anyone hear this? 


   
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Posted by: @frozen4champs

From the Jess Myers story on the Farm Kid's return.

“I could’ve signed a contract and played pro hockey, but after the loss my heart said stay and try to win a championship,” said Nelson, who scored the Gophers’ second goal and was on the ice for Quinnipiac’s overtime winner in the NCAA title game.

“I think we’re going to have a really good team again and are not going to bring in too many players, I think,” said Nelson, who centered the Gophers’ second line between Brodzinski and Mason Nevers for much of the season. “It’s going to be pretty much the same group to go at it again. I think that was pretty much the main thing.”

 

https://twitter.com/JessRMyers/status/1658874891737894913

You gotta love the culture Bob has built here. It’s only a matter of time until #6, and if history has taught us anything it’s that Gopher hockey wins titles in bunches. 

 

Nah he ducks and the leadership sucks!  He should definetly quit so we can be the next Mankato! ? 

 


   
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Something tells me we’ll be hearing from a certain Blaine alumni at about 5 o’clock tomorrow ?

Now all that’s left is Mr. Cooley and potential portal fallout (I don’t foresee a ton, basically only Barto potentially)


   
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Brodzinski tomorrow and Cooley on Friday for the sweep. 


   
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Gopher Hockey social media has done a great job the last few years!  Love the 5pm updates on returners. 

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Posted by: @youngeagle

Gopher Hockey social media has done a great job the last few years!  Love the 5pm updates on returners. 

Agreed. 5 on Friday will be perfect timing for a good cocktail or a nice hazy IPA - cross thread points!

 

 


   




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Gopher Hockey social media has done a great job the last few years!  Love the 5pm updates on returners. 

Agreed. 5 on Friday will be perfect timing for a good cocktail or a nice hazy IPA - cross thread points!

 

 

gotta be one for each of them doesn't it? ? 

 


   
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Something I’ve heard floated around is that Bartoskziewicz might head back to juniors. Smart move if true. Crazy to think he still has junior eligibility. If that were to happen it would be interesting to see if he stays committed to Minnesota or not. Airey could definitely use some competition in 24-25. 


   
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Posted by: @jwg

Odd. Even if an arena is approved it’s not built for 3 years. If it’s not, it’s not like Cooley is staying in MN for four years to avoid his tie to AZ in hopes of free agency. 

The arena seems like an odd tie. 

I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 


   
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Is there a chance Johnson returns? I don’t think he’s signed yet. 

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The pieces are coming together nicely for a run to the X.

Could be another fun season...


   
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Is there a chance Johnson returns? I don’t think he’s signed yet. 

Never say never but it’s less than a 1% chance of Johnson returning. He’s just testing out free agency. 

 


   
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From the Jess Myers story on the Closer.

“With the core of the team we’ve built over the last few years, it’s so much fun and so exciting to be a Gopher at this time, it just wasn’t something I was ready to leave yet,” said Close, who said he made the decision to return in the past few weeks. “As the year went on, it became more clear for me.”

It is expected that the Gophers will carry three goalies next season, although no official roster moves have been announced. With the addition of incoming freshman goalie Nathan Airey and Close’s return, there is a possibility that either Owen Bartoszkiewicz or Zach Wiese could redshirt or play a year in juniors.

 

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I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 

 

The problem is that the money is the money.  IF these are factors in Cooley's decision, then someone is giving him bad advice.

For all I want him to return, and I think there are areas he can improve, if Logan Cooley returns to the U he is making a huge mistake.  

Tim Stutzle, the 3rd overall pick in 2020 earned $10.75 million in his first three years in Ottawa on his rookie deal and then signed  8 years, $66.8 million contract that is fully guaranteed.  

It would be different if he wasn't a high draft pick that will get the maximum built in incentive bonuses.  The standard entry level contract can be insured for and players that a lower draft picks/free agents (see Jaxon Nelson) can improve their prospect "ranking" for lack of a better word, by improving during their college career.   

Logan Cooley has none of those worries and every year he delays his professional career delays his second, more lucrative contract.

Again, if people are giving him advice to stay in college they are giving him bad advice.  And I think the same goes for Jimmy Snuggerud who I would have advised to turn pro.   

 


   
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Posted by: @mlhouse

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I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 

 

The problem is that the money is the money.  IF these are factors in Cooley's decision, then someone is giving him bad advice.

For all I want him to return, and I think there are areas he can improve, if Logan Cooley returns to the U he is making a huge mistake.  

Tim Stutzle, the 3rd overall pick in 2020 earned $10.75 million in his first three years in Ottawa on his rookie deal and then signed  8 years, $66.8 million contract that is fully guaranteed.  

It would be different if he wasn't a high draft pick that will get the maximum built in incentive bonuses.  The standard entry level contract can be insured for and players that a lower draft picks/free agents (see Jaxon Nelson) can improve their prospect "ranking" for lack of a better word, by improving during their college career.   

Logan Cooley has none of those worries and every year he delays his professional career delays his second, more lucrative contract.

Again, if people are giving him advice to stay in college they are giving him bad advice.  And I think the same goes for Jimmy Snuggerud who I would have advised to turn pro.   

 

What was Casey  Mittlestadt's 2nd contract worth?

 


   
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Posted by: @mlhouse

Posted by: @go4birdvowel

 

I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 

 

The problem is that the money is the money.  IF these are factors in Cooley's decision, then someone is giving him bad advice.

For all I want him to return, and I think there are areas he can improve, if Logan Cooley returns to the U he is making a huge mistake.  

Tim Stutzle, the 3rd overall pick in 2020 earned $10.75 million in his first three years in Ottawa on his rookie deal and then signed  8 years, $66.8 million contract that is fully guaranteed.  

It would be different if he wasn't a high draft pick that will get the maximum built in incentive bonuses.  The standard entry level contract can be insured for and players that a lower draft picks/free agents (see Jaxon Nelson) can improve their prospect "ranking" for lack of a better word, by improving during their college career.   

Logan Cooley has none of those worries and every year he delays his professional career delays his second, more lucrative contract.

Again, if people are giving him advice to stay in college they are giving him bad advice.  And I think the same goes for Jimmy Snuggerud who I would have advised to turn pro.   

 

That is rather myopic.  If he struggles the first season or two his later contract won't be maxed out.  If he thinks he had things to work on or if the organization does he should stay and he will benefit way more.  It isn't like he is 21 he will still be very young when he signs his big deal he will be fine. 

There is more at play than just his contract.  Arizona might not be a franchise he wants to play for or he might not want to leave for other reasons.  The money will always be there if he had the skill. 

 


   
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I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 

 

The problem is that the money is the money.  IF these are factors in Cooley's decision, then someone is giving him bad advice.

For all I want him to return, and I think there are areas he can improve, if Logan Cooley returns to the U he is making a huge mistake.  

Tim Stutzle, the 3rd overall pick in 2020 earned $10.75 million in his first three years in Ottawa on his rookie deal and then signed  8 years, $66.8 million contract that is fully guaranteed.  

It would be different if he wasn't a high draft pick that will get the maximum built in incentive bonuses.  The standard entry level contract can be insured for and players that a lower draft picks/free agents (see Jaxon Nelson) can improve their prospect "ranking" for lack of a better word, by improving during their college career.   

Logan Cooley has none of those worries and every year he delays his professional career delays his second, more lucrative contract.

Again, if people are giving him advice to stay in college they are giving him bad advice.  And I think the same goes for Jimmy Snuggerud who I would have advised to turn pro.   

 

If you would have advised Jimmy Snuggerud to turn pro then you’re the one giving bad advise. 

 


   
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Posted by: @mlhouse

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I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 

 

The problem is that the money is the money.  IF these are factors in Cooley's decision, then someone is giving him bad advice.

For all I want him to return, and I think there are areas he can improve, if Logan Cooley returns to the U he is making a huge mistake.  

Tim Stutzle, the 3rd overall pick in 2020 earned $10.75 million in his first three years in Ottawa on his rookie deal and then signed  8 years, $66.8 million contract that is fully guaranteed.  

It would be different if he wasn't a high draft pick that will get the maximum built in incentive bonuses.  The standard entry level contract can be insured for and players that a lower draft picks/free agents (see Jaxon Nelson) can improve their prospect "ranking" for lack of a better word, by improving during their college career.   

Logan Cooley has none of those worries and every year he delays his professional career delays his second, more lucrative contract.

Again, if people are giving him advice to stay in college they are giving him bad advice.  And I think the same goes for Jimmy Snuggerud who I would have advised to turn pro.   

 

I was just giving potential perspective on why the arena deal could be a factor in his decision other than free agency because  there has to be other factors other than money or he'd be signed spending his bonus money right now, but he isn't.

How many games did Knies play in his Gopher career without a concussion? Then gets ragdolled into the boards in his first handful of NHL games and is out and he's 6'3" 210. Cooley looks like he is 16 years old and needs to get stronger. He looked pretty invisible in that championship game playing an older structured team and if he's bringing that to the NHL he isn't going to be signing for 66.8m.

Clayton Keller's dad tweeted, then deleted, that Clayton was not going to show up for the Coyotes this fall and other players were going to follow suit after the no vote on the arena. Maybe he thought he was on a burner account, who knows, but sounds kind of toxic. There are other important factors besides money and I just disagree that it's bad advice to consider those. If I was Cooley and my agent didn't talk to me about all scenarios to consider, including ones like Mittelstadt, and just said sign because it worked out for Tim Stuetzle, I'd fire him.

As for Snuggerud, he should technically be sitting in Chaska High School right now. He's a third generation Gopher with another legitimate shot at a championship. I don't think his dad or grandfather are advising him to sign for potential minor league salary and I don't think that is bad advice either. Boldy was a higher drafted winger who didn't accelerate high school, played two years of college and still spent time in the minors and then signed 7x7m. Just because Snuggerud signs doesn't mean he's making NHL money. 

 


   
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Posted by: @maroon_and_gold

Posted by: @mlhouse

Posted by: @go4birdvowel

 

I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 

 

The problem is that the money is the money.  IF these are factors in Cooley's decision, then someone is giving him bad advice.

For all I want him to return, and I think there are areas he can improve, if Logan Cooley returns to the U he is making a huge mistake.  

Tim Stutzle, the 3rd overall pick in 2020 earned $10.75 million in his first three years in Ottawa on his rookie deal and then signed  8 years, $66.8 million contract that is fully guaranteed.  

It would be different if he wasn't a high draft pick that will get the maximum built in incentive bonuses.  The standard entry level contract can be insured for and players that a lower draft picks/free agents (see Jaxon Nelson) can improve their prospect "ranking" for lack of a better word, by improving during their college career.   

Logan Cooley has none of those worries and every year he delays his professional career delays his second, more lucrative contract.

Again, if people are giving him advice to stay in college they are giving him bad advice.  And I think the same goes for Jimmy Snuggerud who I would have advised to turn pro.   

 

If you would have advised Jimmy Snuggerud to turn pro then you’re the one giving bad advise. 

 

 

Yeah, what lol.

 


   
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Posted by: @mlhouse

Posted by: @go4birdvowel

 

I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 

 

The problem is that the money is the money.  IF these are factors in Cooley's decision, then someone is giving him bad advice.

For all I want him to return, and I think there are areas he can improve, if Logan Cooley returns to the U he is making a huge mistake.  

Tim Stutzle, the 3rd overall pick in 2020 earned $10.75 million in his first three years in Ottawa on his rookie deal and then signed  8 years, $66.8 million contract that is fully guaranteed.  

It would be different if he wasn't a high draft pick that will get the maximum built in incentive bonuses.  The standard entry level contract can be insured for and players that a lower draft picks/free agents (see Jaxon Nelson) can improve their prospect "ranking" for lack of a better word, by improving during their college career.   

Logan Cooley has none of those worries and every year he delays his professional career delays his second, more lucrative contract.

Again, if people are giving him advice to stay in college they are giving him bad advice.  And I think the same goes for Jimmy Snuggerud who I would have advised to turn pro.   

 

I was just giving potential perspective on why the arena deal could be a factor in his decision other than free agency because  there has to be other factors other than money or he'd be signed spending his bonus money right now, but he isn't.

How many games did Knies play in his Gopher career without a concussion? Then gets ragdolled into the boards in his first handful of NHL games and is out and he's 6'3" 210. Cooley looks like he is 16 years old and needs to get stronger. He looked pretty invisible in that championship game playing an older structured team and if he's bringing that to the NHL he isn't going to be signing for 66.8m.

Clayton Keller's dad tweeted, then deleted, that Clayton was not going to show up for the Coyotes this fall and other players were going to follow suit after the no vote on the arena. Maybe he thought he was on a burner account, who knows, but sounds kind of toxic. There are other important factors besides money and I just disagree that it's bad advice to consider those. If I was Cooley and my agent didn't talk to me about all scenarios to consider, including ones like Mittelstadt, and just said sign because it worked out for Tim Stuetzle, I'd fire him.

As for Snuggerud, he should technically be sitting in Chaska High School right now. He's a third generation Gopher with another legitimate shot at a championship. I don't think his dad or grandfather are advising him to sign for potential minor league salary and I don't think that is bad advice either. Boldy was a higher drafted winger who didn't accelerate high school, played two years of college and still spent time in the minors and then signed 7x7m. Just because Snuggerud signs doesn't mean he's making NHL money. 

 

Well said

 


   
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Posted by: @mlhouse

Posted by: @go4birdvowel

 

I think he was waiting to make a decision not because of free agency but because now he has the potential to avoid ever having to play at Mullet arena assuming they move after next year. If they would have approved the arena Cooley may have said screw it and signed figuring he'd end up playing there eventually anyways but at least had a new arena coming. Money is money, but I feel it makes it a tougher sell for the Coyotes now to come play for 4,600 fans just to move the next year to an unknown city when he could play in front of twice that for a good team and sign next year in the new city and avoid Arizona all together. Who knows though, I may be a little biased.

 

 

The problem is that the money is the money.  IF these are factors in Cooley's decision, then someone is giving him bad advice.

For all I want him to return, and I think there are areas he can improve, if Logan Cooley returns to the U he is making a huge mistake.  

Tim Stutzle, the 3rd overall pick in 2020 earned $10.75 million in his first three years in Ottawa on his rookie deal and then signed  8 years, $66.8 million contract that is fully guaranteed.  

It would be different if he wasn't a high draft pick that will get the maximum built in incentive bonuses.  The standard entry level contract can be insured for and players that a lower draft picks/free agents (see Jaxon Nelson) can improve their prospect "ranking" for lack of a better word, by improving during their college career.   

Logan Cooley has none of those worries and every year he delays his professional career delays his second, more lucrative contract.

Again, if people are giving him advice to stay in college they are giving him bad advice.  And I think the same goes for Jimmy Snuggerud who I would have advised to turn pro.   

 

What was Casey  Mittlestadt's 2nd contract worth?

 

 

Immaterial.   Casey Mittlestadt is Casey Mittlestadt and he signed a 3 year $7.5 million contract as a 23 year old after making $4.5 million on his rookie deal he signed at 19 years of age.

Turning pro as a one and done was the correct decision for Mittlestadt. 

 


   
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