I asked a pretty simple question.for what?If the Never's check goes to the CCHA front office. Personally, I would like to see the CCHA suspend the kid for 2 games. Set the example for the rest of the NCAA conferences. Make a precedent of the play and try to curve some of these foolish hits.
Did you watch the game or are you going to play devils advocate which you are so notorious for.
You can't suspend a player because his opponent was oblivious to the game he was playing. Everything bad about that hit is created/caused by Nevers.
I asked a pretty simple question.for what?If the Never's check goes to the CCHA front office. Personally, I would like to see the CCHA suspend the kid for 2 games. Set the example for the rest of the NCAA conferences. Make a precedent of the play and try to curve some of these foolish hits.
Did you watch the game or are you going to play devils advocate which you are so notorious for.
You can't suspend a player because his opponent was oblivious to the game he was playing. Everything bad about that hit is created/caused by Nevers.
For the most part that's not how contact to the head is evaluated. I suppose if a player tripped and was falling and fell into contact perhaps, but that's not what happened on this play.
After years of having most broadcasts on FSN, Balley etc and more recently B1G, it is disappointing to have to stream so many games. Seems like a step backwards for Gopher Hockey
Agreed. I have too many subscription services as it is. I'll turn on a game if it's on TV and requires minimal effort to find, but I'm just not into college hockey (or sports in general) enough to bother with streaming.
Nevers skates face first into a body check, and even then I would argue that the kid from Bemidji does a pretty good job of trying to get low and get the shoulder first.I asked a pretty simple question.for what?If the Never's check goes to the CCHA front office. Personally, I would like to see the CCHA suspend the kid for 2 games. Set the example for the rest of the NCAA conferences. Make a precedent of the play and try to curve some of these foolish hits.
Did you watch the game or are you going to play devils advocate which you are so notorious for.
You can't suspend a player because his opponent was oblivious to the game he was playing. Everything bad about that hit is created/caused by Nevers.
For the most part that's not how contact to the head is evaluated. I suppose if a player tripped and was falling and fell into contact perhaps, but that's not what happened on this play.
This is a nothing play if Nevers is paying attention
25/34 regular season games being on TV just after Bally's fell apart is realistically about all we could have hoped for.
I think the RSN (Bally's) sports model of more linear TV is about dead right now, and it isn't because they were incapable of good production.
Rather, the economics just don't work in this day and age. We are back either to your KITN-29 that roars or streaming options, and neither are as good as what we had, unfortunately.
But at least everything for us will be streamed. That is the best you can ask for.
I think the best I can ask for is a full time Gopher Hockey channel on all cable networks worldwide. I might want to expect a little less.
A few thoughts after the game FWIW - The Pitlick, Lamb, Kurth line was really fun to watch. Making things happen (and maybe letting one not so good one happen?). First game they had some jump. Speaking of jump Moore and Rinzel were also making things happen. Thought our veteran captain crew Nelson, Brodz, and Nevers played solid and helped create chances while adding some levelheaded decisions at important times (speaking of Nevers head hoping his is OK. YIKES.) Add Close to that list of course. Clark on draw was impressive. First period jitters were evident for most and of course there were early season and inexperience showing in many areas. Fun game and hope for continued upswing with Huglen back and hopefully Nevers and Koster soon to follow.
You can't suspend a player because his opponent was oblivious to the game he was playing. Everything bad about that hit is created/caused by Nevers.
Regardless if Nevers' head was down or up, the defender from Bemidji is responsible for his check. It's the same with stick infractions.
And I'm pretty sure my posting history has always been pro defense, pro hitting, pro physical play... though anti-bush league.
Keep your stick on the ice...
I thought Chesley looked really solid all 3 periods. He’s gonna be thrust into all the roles Faber played last year. He has all the tools to make it work.
You can't suspend a player because his opponent was oblivious to the game he was playing. Everything bad about that hit is created/caused by Nevers.
Regardless if Nevers' head was down or up, the defender from Bemidji is responsible for his check. It's the same with stick infractions.
And I'm pretty sure my posting history has always been pro defense, pro hitting, pro physical play... though anti-bush league.
I would agree. The idea of a check is to separate the player from the puck or to knock him off the play after a pass.
Sure, a player needs to keep his head up, but guess what? Sometimes they don't. You can still deliver a hard check without running a player who isn't looking. That's how serious injuries happen. As much as I liked Scott Stevens as a player, I also believed he looked for opportunities to run players with their heads down.
I agree with all of this completely, but will add this question. What makes the Nevers hit so devastating? was it anything that the Bemidji player did, or was it the fact that Nevers never sees it coming and skates full speed into it without ever bracing himself for the hit? IMO- the answer to that question is obvious, and it's why I have a hard time being upset with the Bemidji player.
You can't suspend a player because his opponent was oblivious to the game he was playing. Everything bad about that hit is created/caused by Nevers.
Regardless if Nevers' head was down or up, the defender from Bemidji is responsible for his check. It's the same with stick infractions.
And I'm pretty sure my posting history has always been pro defense, pro hitting, pro physical play... though anti-bush league.
I would agree. The idea of a check is to separate the player from the puck or to knock him off the play after a pass.
Sure, a player needs to keep his head up, but guess what? Sometimes they don't. You can still deliver a hard check without running a player who isn't looking. That's how serious injuries happen. As much as I liked Scott Stevens as a player, I also believed he looked for opportunities to run players with their heads down.
Going for a big hit like that is a bit unusual during an exhibition game. Also took place near the boards just beyond the Gopher blue line, so not a typical spot…add in Nevers having his head down for an unusually long time & bad things can happen. Hopefully his conclusion isn’t too severe and Nevers is back in lineup by early November.
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Holy Hannah, the offseason got away from me. I guess I have some reading to do after being up to my eyeballs in web dev for 6 months.
Sunday's game was the kind I like to point to as an example of why exhibition games have value even if they are meaningless for rankings/standings and not a big draw. I haven't read anything in this thread, but it seemed like it took our guys a little more than a period to get their rhythm. Granted our opponent in our first real game, UST, is probably worse, but it's nice to have the warmup before real competition no matter who that opponent is.
New rink/lighting will be an adjustment for me. I don't think it's bad; just different. Wearing the maroon jerseys for a home game probably helped throw me off, but I'm sure I'll settle into this new reality after a few more games.
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@mg-since-forever - I want in on this:
My thoughts from section 18:
The short area passing was sloppy, especially so in the first period. Hoping it is early season, easy to be worked out stuff.
I'm curious where the lines will land post exhibition - I agree that I liked the Pitlick, Lamb, Kurth combo. Moore and Chesley looked like studs alone - no matter who they played with.
Pinoniemi looked lost all game to me. If Nevers misses time, I don't know how you complete lines with Nelson/Brodzo, and Moore/Snuggy... Curious what Motzo and co. decides upon. Hope it isn't serious with Nevers and that Huglen is back ASAP to somehow complete a top nine.
Final thought - this will be an interesting year for Gopher defensemen. I like Chesley, Mittelstadt, and Thomas... Rinzel looked smooth - but I wish a guy his size would use it - a la Chesley style. Decent top two pairings. However, until Koster returns, the third pair scares me. Specifically Rud... did he have a bad edge? Or two bad edges? The guy is large but I understand his USHL +/- more now because he can't move (laterally, in transition, or to retreat)! I don't think I've seen a Gopher player's skating get so taken advantage of in an exhibition/weaker tilt in my lifetime. I see huge trouble if he plays this year against the likes of the Big Ten and beyond. Thoughts on Rud vs. Begley as the 7th upon Kosters return? Did other GPLer's notice this?
Fingers crossed on what I hope to see playwise with Koster and Huglen returning. Otherwise, I'm much more nervous than expected following an exhibition at home. Maybe it was the empty building I was sitting in and the LED lights staring me down (not a fan).
@mg-since-forever - I want in on this:
My thoughts from section 18:
The short area passing was sloppy, especially so in the first period. Hoping it is early season, easy to be worked out stuff.
I'm curious where the lines will land post exhibition - I agree that I liked the Pitlick, Lamb, Kurth combo. Moore and Chesley looked like studs alone - no matter who they played with.
Pinoniemi looked lost all game to me. If Nevers misses time, I don't know how you complete lines with Nelson/Brodzo, and Moore/Snuggy... Curious what Motzo and co. decides upon. Hope it isn't serious with Nevers and that Huglen is back ASAP to somehow complete a top nine.
Final thought - this will be an interesting year for Gopher defensemen. I like Chesley, Mittelstadt, and Thomas... Rinzel looked smooth - but I wish a guy his size would use it - a la Chesley style. Decent top two pairings. However, until Koster returns, the third pair scares me. Specifically Rud... did he have a bad edge? Or two bad edges? The guy is large but I understand his USHL +/- more now because he can't move (laterally, in transition, or to retreat)! I don't think I've seen a Gopher player's skating get so taken advantage of in an exhibition/weaker tilt in my lifetime. I see huge trouble if he plays this year against the likes of the Big Ten and beyond. Thoughts on Rud vs. Begley as the 7th upon Kosters return? Did other GPLer's notice this?
Fingers crossed on what I hope to see playwise with Koster and Huglen returning. Otherwise, I'm much more nervous than expected following an exhibition at home. Maybe it was the empty building I was sitting in and the LED lights staring me down (not a fan).
They announced Huglen is back so he’ll be a big piece. I agree with your sentiment on Pino too, I hope they move Clark up the lineup as the temporary fix and keep 13 with 19 and 27. I also agree that I liked Begley more than Rud in the exhibition but I doubt it matters since they’re gonna play all 7 D anyway.
Also I can’t believe more GPLers aren’t on the Fish bandwagon. He can skate and he uses his size, with under-appreciated offensive instincts. He’ll be a good player this year.
I know we’ve only been through one exhibition game so maybe I should have waited to ask this question but where do people see Pino fitting in this year and in the future? Everyone else in the forward group seems to know their role and play to their strengths well. Even guys that don’t get as much playing time like Strobel seem to at least know what they’re there to do and do it to the best of their ability. Pino just seems like he’s just there. I hate to rag on the kid but I didn’t see much to inspire the fan base last year and he didn’t seem to really change anyone’s mind on Sunday night.
All that said, it’s a long season and maybe he had a great summer and he proves us all wrong. I hope he does. Bob and the coaching staff seem to see something in him so we’ll see how the season goes.
@mg-since-forever - I want in on this:
My thoughts from section 18:
The short area passing was sloppy, especially so in the first period. Hoping it is early season, easy to be worked out stuff.
I'm curious where the lines will land post exhibition - I agree that I liked the Pitlick, Lamb, Kurth combo. Moore and Chesley looked like studs alone - no matter who they played with.
Pinoniemi looked lost all game to me. If Nevers misses time, I don't know how you complete lines with Nelson/Brodzo, and Moore/Snuggy... Curious what Motzo and co. decides upon. Hope it isn't serious with Nevers and that Huglen is back ASAP to somehow complete a top nine.
Final thought - this will be an interesting year for Gopher defensemen. I like Chesley, Mittelstadt, and Thomas... Rinzel looked smooth - but I wish a guy his size would use it - a la Chesley style. Decent top two pairings. However, until Koster returns, the third pair scares me. Specifically Rud... did he have a bad edge? Or two bad edges? The guy is large but I understand his USHL +/- more now because he can't move (laterally, in transition, or to retreat)! I don't think I've seen a Gopher player's skating get so taken advantage of in an exhibition/weaker tilt in my lifetime. I see huge trouble if he plays this year against the likes of the Big Ten and beyond. Thoughts on Rud vs. Begley as the 7th upon Kosters return? Did other GPLer's notice this?
Fingers crossed on what I hope to see playwise with Koster and Huglen returning. Otherwise, I'm much more nervous than expected following an exhibition at home. Maybe it was the empty building I was sitting in and the LED lights staring me down (not a fan).
They announced Huglen is back so he’ll be a big piece. I agree with your sentiment on Pino too, I hope they move Clark up the lineup as the temporary fix and keep 13 with 19 and 27. I also agree that I liked Begley more than Rud in the exhibition but I doubt it matters since they’re gonna play all 7 D anyway.
Also I can’t believe more GPLers aren’t on the Fish bandwagon. He can skate and he uses his size, with under-appreciated offensive instincts. He’ll be a good player this year.
I am firmly on the Fish bandwagon. He filled in the last few years during the holidays when players were out for World Juniors and didn’t miss a beat. I’m excited to see how he handles a regular role. He’s more than ready for it.
@mg-since-forever - I want in on this:
My thoughts from section 18:
The short area passing was sloppy, especially so in the first period. Hoping it is early season, easy to be worked out stuff.
I'm curious where the lines will land post exhibition - I agree that I liked the Pitlick, Lamb, Kurth combo. Moore and Chesley looked like studs alone - no matter who they played with.
Pinoniemi looked lost all game to me. If Nevers misses time, I don't know how you complete lines with Nelson/Brodzo, and Moore/Snuggy... Curious what Motzo and co. decides upon. Hope it isn't serious with Nevers and that Huglen is back ASAP to somehow complete a top nine.
Final thought - this will be an interesting year for Gopher defensemen. I like Chesley, Mittelstadt, and Thomas... Rinzel looked smooth - but I wish a guy his size would use it - a la Chesley style. Decent top two pairings. However, until Koster returns, the third pair scares me. Specifically Rud... did he have a bad edge? Or two bad edges? The guy is large but I understand his USHL +/- more now because he can't move (laterally, in transition, or to retreat)! I don't think I've seen a Gopher player's skating get so taken advantage of in an exhibition/weaker tilt in my lifetime. I see huge trouble if he plays this year against the likes of the Big Ten and beyond. Thoughts on Rud vs. Begley as the 7th upon Kosters return? Did other GPLer's notice this?
Fingers crossed on what I hope to see playwise with Koster and Huglen returning. Otherwise, I'm much more nervous than expected following an exhibition at home. Maybe it was the empty building I was sitting in and the LED lights staring me down (not a fan).
Agreed that we are not deep on the back end. Play your best players. No need to skate 7 defenseman. Also, we have 9 pretty dang good forwards when healthy. This should be a very good team if Bob gives our best players the ice time.
While they're surely not as deep as last year at the blue line, a lot of teams would kill for the Gophers' D lineup. Last season spoiled us.
It was Rinzel's first game. Give him time to get his legs and acclimate to college hockey. He'll be a good defenseman and contribute right away, something not many freshmen defensemen are capable of doing.
I see his performance a little differently. He didn't look out of position and the game wasn't too fast for him. He also showed some offensive instincts. Those are really good early signs for a new blueliner.
