It kind of makes sense. I bet it is to not have people sign up for school and just come to the US to work. Complicated for sure.
The athletes argument seems both naive and disingenuous, it works the same in their own countries. Students aren’t allowed to work on a Student Visa. My niece lived in Spain for a year. She worked off the books in a coffee shop because she legally wasn’t allowed to have a job. The thought is it takes employment away from citizens. You could argue college athletes are somehow different, but they aren’t really, we just act like they’re special. If he thinks he’s missing out, play in Canada.It kind of makes sense. I bet it is to not have people sign up for school and just come to the US to work. Complicated for sure.
Note: Due to inflation dirty deeds will no longer be done dirt cheap.
@skiumahlaw I know I have seen the issue with Canadians and NIL money before. Could you provide me with some clarification? Close was one of the original Dinkytown hockey athletes. Is his student visa different than other Canadians and what about newcomer Matthew Wood? This whole thing makes my head spin. Thanks for any info you can provide.
I can't speak to their specific situations, unfortunately.
But the typical student visa-- which is relatively easy to obtain-- prohibits earning any compensation for any work while here on the visa. That means my law office cannot hire them to review files much less serve as our spokespersons.
There are other types of visas, and their citizenship may differ anyway. There also may be ways to pay them in Canada-- things that may not be as available to a NCAA basketball star in Toronto but would be available to a hockey player from Vancouver.
While pushing the envelope as to NCAA rules is one thing, I don't believe that anyone is interested in jeopardizing visa restrictions.
From Mike McMahon regarding news from the coaches meetings in Florida--
Sounds like Detroit did not put in a bid for the 27 or 28 Frozen Four. But are expected to get one after that cycle to make up for the one they had cancelled. Tampa did meet with people at the St Paul FF. Bids for the 27 & 28 Regionals and FF's will be revealed in the fall.
No consensus was agreed on about the regional sites format. So, they will stay the same for the time being.
Coaches were split on allowing CHL players in the NCAA. No changes coming from coaches but they may not have a choice if that goes through the courts.
I don't think CHL players have any real standing to push eligibility in the courts. Actually, CHL players, the majority of whom are Canadian, would be at a disadvantage, as their student visas would not permit them to earn NIL income.
International students in the US are allowed some jobs - mostly on-campus jobs. I know someone that did that while at the U. NIL might be a stretch though to qualify as an on-campus job...but maybe?
From Mike McMahon regarding news from the coaches meetings in Florida--
Sounds like Detroit did not put in a bid for the 27 or 28 Frozen Four. But are expected to get one after that cycle to make up for the one they had cancelled. Tampa did meet with people at the St Paul FF. Bids for the 27 & 28 Regionals and FF's will be revealed in the fall.
No consensus was agreed on about the regional sites format. So, they will stay the same for the time being.
Coaches were split on allowing CHL players in the NCAA. No changes coming from coaches but they may not have a choice if that goes through the courts.
I don't think CHL players have any real standing to push eligibility in the courts. Actually, CHL players, the majority of whom are Canadian, would be at a disadvantage, as their student visas would not permit them to earn NIL income.
International students in the US are allowed some jobs - mostly on-campus jobs. I know someone that did that while at the U. NIL might be a stretch though to qualify as an on-campus job...but maybe?
The NCAA (currently) prohibits schools from engaging in NIL activities or employing student athletes directly (remember amateurism?).
The prohibition has less now to do with the amateurism and more to do with protecting Title IX considerations across the board. If a school employs its Canadian men's hockey players and not its Dominican women's soccer players, it can run itself into a Title IX violation quickly.
The rumors I read today was a proposal by the B1G and $EC to directly pay players. That would be a seismic shift that would have huge implications on all of college hockey.
From Mike McMahon regarding news from the coaches meetings in Florida--
Sounds like Detroit did not put in a bid for the 27 or 28 Frozen Four. But are expected to get one after that cycle to make up for the one they had cancelled. Tampa did meet with people at the St Paul FF. Bids for the 27 & 28 Regionals and FF's will be revealed in the fall.
No consensus was agreed on about the regional sites format. So, they will stay the same for the time being.
Coaches were split on allowing CHL players in the NCAA. No changes coming from coaches but they may not have a choice if that goes through the courts.
I don't think CHL players have any real standing to push eligibility in the courts. Actually, CHL players, the majority of whom are Canadian, would be at a disadvantage, as their student visas would not permit them to earn NIL income.
International students in the US are allowed some jobs - mostly on-campus jobs. I know someone that did that while at the U. NIL might be a stretch though to qualify as an on-campus job...but maybe?
The NCAA (currently) prohibits schools from engaging in NIL activities or employing student athletes directly (remember amateurism?).
The prohibition has less now to do with the amateurism and more to do with protecting Title IX considerations across the board. If a school employs its Canadian men's hockey players and not its Dominican women's soccer players, it can run itself into a Title IX violation quickly.
The rumors I read today was a proposal by the B1G and $EC to directly pay players. That would be a seismic shift that would have huge implications on all of college hockey.
I mean if this happens, the big ten (and UND, BC, Denver maybe) would be able to put an absolute stranglehold on the best players in the country
From Jimmy Connelly at coaches meeting.
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
I mean if this happens, the big ten (and UND, BC, Denver maybe) would be able to put an absolute stranglehold on the best players in the country
I don't know that UND/DU can be put in that category.
You would need to find resources to compete with the B1G and do so on an equivalent basis on the women's side as well. I think UND/DU and maybe a few other schools could find the money to do it on the men's side, but doubling it to keep pace with the B1G would be a tall task. Even if they did, since neither sponsor women's hockey, the Summit League would need to allow them to pay women's players to comply with Title IX. I'm not sure SDSU/NDSU/Northern Iowa would vote to help out UND/DU to their own detriment.
BC and ASU are maybes at best, but even then I am not sure.
I mean if this happens, the big ten (and UND, BC, Denver maybe) would be able to put an absolute stranglehold on the best players in the country
I don't know that UND/DU can be put in that category.
You would need to find resources to compete with the B1G and do so on an equivalent basis on the women's side as well. I think UND/DU and maybe a few other schools could find the money to do it on the men's side, but doubling it to keep pace with the B1G would be a tall task. Even if they did, since neither sponsor women's hockey, the Summit League would need to allow them to pay women's players to comply with Title IX. I'm not sure SDSU/NDSU/Northern Iowa would vote to help out UND/DU to their own detriment.
BC and ASU are maybes at best, but even then I am not sure.
UND, BC, Denver can all do it with NIL. The initial contract may be weaker, but they can compensate for it with direct to player pay from collectives. I don't think they can remotely keep pace with the Big Ten (no one can), but would would be a second tier of places willing to pay for players that will also get some big guys as the Big Ten isn't going to throw a ton of money at hockey either as they don't really care given it's relatively few schools comparably that play
From Jimmy Connelly at coaches meeting.
like the review of the major concept with ability to reduce it as well as the auto review of all OT goals.
I do agree that OT rules right now are really frustrating, as well as the odd pairwise percentage differential. 5v5 would make the most sense if you're going to count it at all in the PWR. Would rather it's just a tie if it goes to OT for PWR and then conferences can do with OT whatever they want for conference points in terms of how they play OT. This would also give a better simulation of how it is in post-season which may be beneficial. All that said, I really do enjoy watching the openness of 3v3 (and it benefits the Gophers, which is also a plus)
I mean if this happens, the big ten (and UND, BC, Denver maybe) would be able to put an absolute stranglehold on the best players in the country
I don't know that UND/DU can be put in that category.
You would need to find resources to compete with the B1G and do so on an equivalent basis on the women's side as well. I think UND/DU and maybe a few other schools could find the money to do it on the men's side, but doubling it to keep pace with the B1G would be a tall task. Even if they did, since neither sponsor women's hockey, the Summit League would need to allow them to pay women's players to comply with Title IX. I'm not sure SDSU/NDSU/Northern Iowa would vote to help out UND/DU to their own detriment.
BC and ASU are maybes at best, but even then I am not sure.
UND, BC, Denver can all do it with NIL. The initial contract may be weaker, but they can compensate for it with direct to player pay from collectives. I don't think they can remotely keep pace with the Big Ten (no one can), but would would be a second tier of places willing to pay for players that will also get some big guys as the Big Ten isn't going to throw a ton of money at hockey either as they don't really care given it's relatively few schools comparably that play
Don't sleep on the Oregon Title IX lawsuit that is seeking to lump NIL collectives into a Title IX analysis. If the Court there deems NIL collectives are equivalent to booster clubs (which are subject to Title IX analysis when viewing a school), then UND/BC/BU/Denver are sunk quickly.
This is all so stupid. Do any other countries pay kids to play college sports? Priorities for what college should truly be about seems a lost cause in our greedy, litigious society. 🙁
#getoffmylawn
I'm sure you would turn NIL money down if you were in their position.
I'm sure you would turn NIL money down if you were in their position.
I wouldn’t willingly allow anyone to use my name/image/likeness to make money nor would I endorse any products, so yeah, I’d have some balls to set a good example. I also don’t need to be validated with clicks and likes on social media to have self worth and know who I am. But that’s just me. To each their own. 🤷♀️
I warned everyone to get off my lawn. 😉
This is all so stupid. Do any other countries pay kids to play college sports? Priorities for what college should truly be about seems a lost cause in our greedy, litigious society. 🙁
#getoffmylawn
The guise of amateurism was gone long ago. NCAA has made money hand over fist for decades; this was long overdue. I am sure things will balance out but college sports became too big to keep players from getting their cut.
This is all so stupid. Do any other countries pay kids to play college sports? Priorities for what college should truly be about seems a lost cause in our greedy, litigious society. 🙁
#getoffmylawn
Hey now, I resemble that last part! 🤪
This is all so stupid. Do any other countries pay kids to play college sports? Priorities for what college should truly be about seems a lost cause in our greedy, litigious society. 🙁
#getoffmylawn
The guise of amateurism was gone long ago. NCAA has made money hand over fist for decades; this was long overdue. I am sure things will balance out but college sports became too big to keep players from getting their cut.
I will add the other complicating factor:
The vast majority of the NCAA is not raking things in hand over fist. Most schools-- including most D-1 schools, the D-1 hockey schools in Minnesota except UMN, and even the vaunted UND-- rely on general student fees to support their intercollegiate athletics programs. In essence, all of them are operating at a loss since they rely on students paying a specific portion of their cost of education in order to take the ice/court/field.
So you have about 60 schools out of 400 that are really driving this thing. Of course, the B1G is among those 60.
In essence we are looking at a divide of the NCAA that was a long time coming. The question in my mind is how deep is the separation cut-- will it apply only to football? Or to basketball too? Or to hockey/baseball/wrestling/Olympic sports as well? That answer will determine the future of college sports.
Might this affect SCSU's athletic department down the line sooner than later?
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A little bit of a non-conference meat grinder to open next season for the Purple Cows
https://twitter.com/MinnStMHockey/status/1787879391147573656
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Might this affect SCSU's athletic department down the line sooner than later?
I am not high enough on the totem pole to know specifics...
But I would say that this has already been affecting the SCSU athletic department for some time (together with a Title IX case that SCSU has not completely cleared yet).
From what I know, the enrollment bleed has stopped, but now the school needs to shed faculty to be in line with the size of the student body. This was done with an eye on trimming the excess, and focusing on priority issues. As a result, 90% of students are not directly affected by this reorganization-- this may look like a large number of programs being cut, but really each were serving 1 or 2 students total per year (out of 10,000 students in the school!).
From what I can tell, in the department I am associated with it will result in permanently not filling a job that was not filled coming into this year in anticipation of this cut, and letting go of a fixed term associate professor who was going to be done after this year anyway. If other departments were the same-- and many are, I believe, I don't think we will see a huge change other than the need not to have to staff a class or two that was already a stretch.
I have said to others-- SCSU got hit with a triple whammy over the past 10 years: 1.) changing demographics and college-going tendency of students in Central Minnesota (fewer kids going to college and more working/trade school); 2.) a desire to shed the "party school" reputation has led to fewer students desiring to go but not led to attracting more serious students to replace them; 3.) a lack of a big donor who has written giant checks to modernize buildings and facilities like Mankato has had.
This belt-tightening is not alone to SCSU-- UST announced a few weeks ago that they were cutting staff, and other schools around the country are following suit. We are entering a declining enrollment phase nationally, and this is the inevitable byproduct when supply exceeds demand.
This account does a good job of putting up graphics on finances of college athletics. SCSU isn't on this chart as he focuses on DI football conferences.
https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/1784959011604811990
If you want to see SCSU's EADA Submission:
St Thomas to join the NCHC 26-27 season, announcement coming this morning. Good fit for UST.
St Thomas to join the NCHC 26-27 season, announcement coming this morning. Good fit for UST.
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so 3 teams from Minnesota in the Nacho conference?
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St Thomas to join the NCHC 26-27 season, announcement coming this morning. Good fit for UST.
so 3 teams from Minnesota in the Nacho conference?
You mean the Summit League Hockey Division?
The more important news is the House class action lawsuit as to a potential settlement being discussed. Rumor reported by Schools paying players directly approximately $21M per year. NCAA could face $20B in damages if proposed settlement offer isn't agreed upon
St Thomas to join the NCHC 26-27 season, announcement coming this morning. Good fit for UST.
so 3 teams from Minnesota in the Nacho conference?
You mean the Summit League Hockey Division?
The more important news is the House class action lawsuit as to a potential settlement being discussed. Rumor reported by Schools paying players directly approximately $21M per year. NCAA could face $20B in damages if proposed settlement offer isn't agreed upon
To officially sponsor the Summit League would need what two more members to get an autobid for the NCAA's? That will be interesting to see how that does or doesn't come about. I would think the logic for schools to move away from the NCHC is to be with similar sized institutions that have similar goals.
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The amount of teeth gnashing and chicken little-ing from Mav fans on X and in real life is amazing right now. Of course it's "The NCHC turned us down, why didn't they bring us in instead of UST?" This is completely a money thing for the NCHC. Why wouldn't they bring in two D1 schools to enhance the financial stability of that conference over a D2 school like Minnesota State?
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Bonin is lamenting on the hole how UST to the NCHC will just speed up their path to stealing recruits from the Gophers...
He also has copied posts here verbatim and posted them over there, so he's obviously lurking.
My mother taught me if I can't say something nice about a person...
It ‘s not like St Thomas will steal (in the near future) any recruits from the Gophers (that the Gophers actually make a good offer to)…but joining the NCHC is definitely going to help accelerate St Thomas rise in D1 hockey!
I saw that the rules committee wants to revert back to the rule where if a team scores on a delayed penalty, the penalty gets nullified. I could not disagree more. Keep the rule as is. Make the player still serve the penalty no matter what. It’s perfect for college hockey and IMO should be in all levels of the sport.
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From the Wells story…..
In 2010, needing money for his medical issues, Wells sold his gold medal at auction.
"It killed me to sell the medal. Killed me. But my life was crumbling,” Wells told the New York Daily News in 2010. “I was going to lose my home. I needed to sell it to have surgery and to live. I had no choice."
Sad story, he had a tough life.
From the Wells story…..
In 2010, needing money for his medical issues, Wells sold his gold medal at auction.
"It killed me to sell the medal. Killed me. But my life was crumbling,” Wells told the New York Daily News in 2010. “I was going to lose my home. I needed to sell it to have surgery and to live. I had no choice."
Sad story, he had a tough life.
makes a guy wish you had the money and a way to get it back in his hands before he passed.
Sure seems to fit from what has been said about the parents. Demanding early enrollment, not surprised Michigan State said “no thanks”. ASU sure seems to ignore some red flags in pursuit of talent.
Some I trust a whole lot who knows a little about them (not a lot, but a little) summed it up this way:
"Their end game & goal is to get to the NHL as quickly as possible."
They must view playing a full season of college hockey as part of that development, but it seems they'd rather do it sooner than later.
Not shocking news at all on Potter. He will be on a new team each year until he makes the NHL (if he does).
I would be curious to know who paid the buyout to USA Hockey.
Another good example of a player that some wanted the Gophers to go after and were disappointed when they did not get him. The risk outweighs the reward sometimes. Also, good luck to the coach at ASU with the Lucius and Potter parents...
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
Per a source, my understanding is if a player goes from NTDP directly to a D1 program (the player has to be academically eligible to do so) then there is no buyout charge payable to NTDP. This kid will be a short time D1 college player irregardless. After leading the U17’s in scoring he’s on track to be a 1st round NHL draft pick.Not shocking news at all on Potter. He will be on a new team each year until he makes the NHL (if he does).
I would be curious to know who paid the buyout to USA Hockey.
Will Potter finish the full season at ASU?
Who knows, but I’ve been told by someone who followed the team more closely …that he led the NTDP U17’s in scoring despite not playing on the top power play unit (until) roughly Christmas time. He will play one year of D1 (I expect) but after that all bets are off.Will Potter finish the full season at ASU?
Another good example of a player that some wanted the Gophers to go after and were disappointed when they did not get him. The risk outweighs the reward sometimes. Also, good luck to the coach at ASU with the Lucius and Potter parents...
This exactly. That same group will call me crazy when I say they shouldn’t even offer Cole Bumgarner come August…
Who knows, but I’ve been told by someone who followed the team more closely …that he led the NTDP U17’s in scoring despite not playing on the top power play unit (until) roughly Christmas time. He will play one year of D1 (I expect) but after that all bets are off.Will Potter finish the full season at ASU?
He only led the team in scoring cuz Mooney was up playing with the u18s 😉
OK, but Mooney also likely got 1st power play unit time from the GetGo…being 2nd leading scorer is impressive too. Obviously Potter wasn’t a fit for Gophers…but I wish him the best of luck, since he has MN roots!Who knows, but I’ve been told by someone who followed the team more closely …that he led the NTDP U17’s in scoring despite not playing on the top power play unit (until) roughly Christmas time. He will play one year of D1 (I expect) but after that all bets are off.Will Potter finish the full season at ASU?
He only led the team in scoring cuz Mooney was up playing with the u18s 😉
Similar to Potter, Mooney is a potential 1st Round draft pick (who played up on the U18 team at times) Working against Mooney is his listed height - 5’7”Is Mooney a first round pick type?
Rank the big 10 teams based on order of finish for 2024. I got this.
1. Michigan State
2. Minnesota
3. Wisconsin
4. Michigan
5. Ohio State
6. Penn State
7. Notre Dame