And the bolded parts of your post help me prove my point. A ring shouldn't really matter in the GOAT/great/etc arguments. No one has said Dilfer was better than (insert HOFer). Others have touted players BECAUSE they won a ring/more rings.
Winning A ring absolutely doesn't matter in the GOAT arguments. Lots of mediocre players across all sports have gotten hot (or in the case of a guy like Dilfer, been functional enough in their job to not lose the game for their team) and won a championship.
Winning 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 championships as a starter/big contributor (to eliminate the "Robert Horry has 7 rings he must be GOAT material" strawman)? There's a common denominator there.
Does it automatically mean Player A is the GOAT? No. But if Player A averages 4500 passing yards, 32 TDs and 15 INTs per season with 11 wins per year and Player B averages 3900 passing yards, 32 TDs, 11 INTs, with 10.5 wins per year and Player A has 3 rings while Player B has 7? That amount of rings makes a difference IMO.
This is ridiculous. There would be a consensus across players and fans that Brady is the GOAT. How many times have you seen a player intercept a QB and then keep the ball and get that QB to sign it. I’ve never seen it and it happens to Brady all the time (especially this year! ? ). After games, players que up the shake his hand…why? He’s the GOAT.
I also find it very amusing that the 2 best QBs in NFL history, Montana and Brady, weren’t first or even second round picks, had average arm strength but were very accurate and were also good leaders on their college teams. You would think that NFL teams could see what is really important at the most important position but they still mortgage their futures to move up in the draft to get guys like Malik Willis who have flashy arm talent but not much else.
People: Brady is ARGUABLY the GOAT, and he is also ARGUABLY not. I am simply saying he isn't a slam dunk. Before LeBron, MJ was a slam dunk GOAT. Wayne Gretzky is a slam dunk GOAT. Baseball is a bit tougher, my vote would go to Nolan, but that is arguable. Same in this case.
To @Bigbeer 's second paragraph: he is correct on draft picks and such. NFL teams go for flash and hype and stats and analytics, but forget what really could make a great player (and sometimes, what school they went to; did everyone forget about Jerry Rice?).
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Who arguably is better than Brady? No one in my lifetime and I am a Montana/Elway superfan. My dad is 75 and he says it's Brady by a mile and he never liked Brady at all. No one I have ever asked has argued against him. They say "x had a better arm" or "y had a great command of the game" but then it is always followed up with "but Brady knew how to win when it mattered most and did it for TWENTY YEARS!". There is no argument he has the stats, the longevity and the titles. The only argument is who is number 2.
You are starting to sound like whiny Saux fans who like to talk about how NOMAH was better than Jeter. (He had better range1!!!11) Or Twins fans about everyone they overrate...
For a while people tried to argue Manning was better (Montana still had Brady beat) and at the time it was somewhat close cause Manning is a once in a generation guy...but now even that is laughably off base.
The whole argument of the GOAT of football is so subjective to each person. Whether you like Brady or not there are things that influence why you point to him as the GOAT. I think this entire thread of bantering back and forth is exhibit A why it is so damn hard to label a player THE GOAT.
I have my opinions on who I think is the GOAT in football but I am sure that will differ from someone else. If you put up just numbers than someone will argue you that you can't dismiss the IT factor.
What Brady has done over his career hasn't been done on that level in the history of the sport so it is hard to argue against him being discussed as the GOAT. I'll just leave it at that.
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I would say Manning, based on individual talent, and I know that is an unpopular opinion (Handy filled in the blanks there). 😉 But, I also obviously see the case for Brady in that comparison.
The best "what if" and I know that is always a volatile thing: switch up Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Who'd have the best numbers? My mind asplodes at the thought of what Barry could do behind Emmitt's O-line. Barry had way more talent than Emmitt. Neither one is GOAT, just using that as a point of how we compare players.
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I would say Manning, based on individual talent, and I know that is an unpopular opinion (Handy filled in the blanks there). 😉 But, I also obviously see the case for Brady in that comparison.
The best "what if" and I know that is always a volatile thing: switch up Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Who'd have the best numbers? My mind asplodes at the thought of what Barry could do behind Emmitt's O-line. Barry had way more talent than Emmitt. Neither one is GOAT, just using that as a point of how we compare players.
Bo Jackson is the greatest RB of all time, never mind the stats that guy was unreal until he got horse collar tackled
I would say Manning, based on individual talent, and I know that is an unpopular opinion (Handy filled in the blanks there). 😉 But, I also obviously see the case for Brady in that comparison.
The best "what if" and I know that is always a volatile thing: switch up Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Who'd have the best numbers? My mind asplodes at the thought of what Barry could do behind Emmitt's O-line. Barry had way more talent than Emmitt. Neither one is GOAT, just using that as a point of how we compare players.
Bo Jackson is the greatest RB of all time, never mind the stats that guy was unreal until he got horse collar tackled
Sarcastic or not, I would have LOVED to see him healthy for a full career. The potential...JFC.
I feel the same about Mario Lemieux. If he didn't get the cancer and massive back spasms (where he couldn't tie his own skates). He's the only one CLOSE (sorta) to Wayne's career PPG avg...
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IMO, you have to define the argument before you can have any sort of debate. If you're talking about the most accomplished QB of all time? Then the answer is Brady and I don't think it can be argued. But, you also have to recognize that a ton of factors that play into that argument, aren't things that Brady had anything to do with. If Tom Brady had been drafted by the Detroit Lions, nobody would even remember his name in 2022.
If you're talking about the most skilled QB ever? Brady isn't even in that discussion.
For me, I see Brady the same as I see Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith. All three are statistically the best to do ever do it at their positions. All three are easily in the discussion for best ever, but none are the best player that I've ever seen play their position.
IMO, you have to define the argument before you can have any sort of debate. If you're talking about the most accomplished QB of all time? Then the answer is Brady and I don't think it can be argued. But, you also have to recognize that a ton of factors that play into that argument, aren't things that Brady had anything to do with. If Tom Brady had been drafted by the Detroit Lions, nobody would even remember his name in 2022.
If you're talking about the most skilled QB ever? Brady isn't even in that discussion.
For me, I see Brady the same as I see Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith. All three are statistically the best to do ever do it at their positions. All three are easily in the discussion for best ever, but none are the best player that I've ever seen play their position.
That is the good, the bad, and the ugly of any GOAT discussion. Brady is the most accomplished. You have to be completely Neanderthal to even think about arguing that. Context is the issue, and therein is the problem.
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Guys like Rodgers and Manning have carried worse teams far more than Brady ever did with better stats and everything. The difference is they both (combined) had a handful teams with above average defenses/coaches and they don’t have the number of rings because of it. In a 52 man sport it’s kinda silly to end the discussion on who the GOAT is at one position because of team accomplishments, Rube is wrong about a lot of things but he ain’t wrong about that one. Montana played on super teams in an era without a salary cap and I’d agree that Brady is better than him but you have other QBs who are more talented and just didn’t have the help around them to accumulate as many team accomplishments.
His longevity is unrivaled though so that does factor in. The league has made that more of a possibility in recent years but even still nobody is playing like he is beyond 40.
Guys like Rodgers and Manning have carried worse teams far more than Brady ever did with better stats and everything. The difference is they both (combined) had a handful teams with above average defenses/coaches and they don’t have the number of rings because of it. In a 52 man sport it’s kinda silly to end the discussion on who the GOAT is at one position because of team accomplishments, Rube is wrong about a lot of things but he ain’t wrong about that one. Montana played on super teams in an era without a salary cap and I’d agree that Brady is better than him but you have other QBs who are more talented and just didn’t have the help around them to accumulate as many team accomplishments.
I won't say "teams" for Brady. He was in a system built for him, and he was built for that system. Brady would fail in something like "Greatest Show On Turf." He's precise, likes to pick apart defenses. He's not a slinger.
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He could do that too especially when he had Moss. Also he wasn’t playing on turf, he was playing in Foxborough which obviously is gonna lead to more of a running and short passing attack e to the weather in the latter half of the year. My point is more that comparing the stats he actually has control over to the others of his era makes far more sense to than comparing team accomplishments. If the guy played defense too or this was an individual sport that argument would have more credence.
His easy ass division those years helped, too. OBVIOULSY out of his control, NOT a knock on him. He made the most of it, for sure.
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Ah yes the "Brady is a system qb" argument...I always love that one especially since that "system" changed all the time. Take a look at the difference in his first SB, the Moss year, the Falcons year...different offensive styles based on who the team gave him. Good lord...hell half the time he had cast-off rbs like Corey Dillon and still won. (Suck it Marino lovers!)
And of course it isn't like Manning didn't have top flight talent in Indy (think Brady wouldn't want some of Mannings receivers?) and the team was literally built so he could call the plays at the line. Yet somehow he always found a way to lose...but sure he is better than Brady cause reasons? Manning is the definition of a system qb because he made the damnex system.
Rodgers isn't even in the conversation. All the talent in the world but his attitude and inability to play within a system (or not blame everyone and their mother for anything that goes wrong) always holds him back. Biggest waste of talent I have seen cause he could have been so much better.
Look no one is saying Brady has the best arm, or running ability or even ability to call plays. What makes him the best is when the light shines brightest he wins more than anyone. And he has done it with a wide range of players and systems over twenty damned years. Plenty of players have had the so called advantages he had and got nowhere even close. And if you are being honest with yourself he is the qb you want under center with the game on the line. People (myself included) hate him because he is so good and everyone fellates him like he is in a Peter North film which is annoying as hell but that doesn't change that every one of us wish he was our qb even for one season. Even you Rube and we all know you hate him cause he owned the Bills worse than Rodgers owns The Bears.
I dunno, in my life when I've looked at athletes, performers, artists and such, those who I saw as exceptional in a field, "Among the Greatest of All Time" was always enough for me. To try and define one person as THE greatest, across eras and across disciplines just isn't possible, for me anyway.
Ah yes the "Brady is a system qb" argument...I always love that one especially since that "system" changed all the time. Take a look at the difference in his first SB, the Moss year, the Falcons year...different offensive styles based on who the team gave him. Good lord...hell half the time he had cast-off rbs like Corey Dillon and still won. (Suck it Marino lovers!)
And of course it isn't like Manning didn't have top flight talent in Indy (think Brady wouldn't want some of Mannings receivers?) and the team was literally built so he could call the plays at the line. Yet somehow he always found a way to lose...but sure he is better than Brady cause reasons? Manning is the definition of a system qb because he made the damnex system.
Rodgers isn't even in the conversation. All the talent in the world but his attitude and inability to play within a system (or not blame everyone and their mother for anything that goes wrong) always holds him back. Biggest waste of talent I have seen cause he could have been so much better.
Look no one is saying Brady has the best arm, or running ability or even ability to call plays. What makes him the best is when the light shines brightest he wins more than anyone. And he has done it with a wide range of players and systems over twenty damned years. Plenty of players have had the so called advantages he had and got nowhere even close. And if you are being honest with yourself he is the qb you want under center with the game on the line. People (myself included) hate him because he is so good and everyone fellates him like he is in a Peter North film which is annoying as hell but that doesn't change that every one of us wish he was our qb even for one season. Even you Rube and we all know you hate him cause he owned the Bills worse than Rodgers owns The Bears.
You are taking the "system" to the extreme. It's a base system, yes. Based around Brady (and vice versa, yes), BUT, as you say, you do have to tweak a little, depending on the tools. Add a Moss? Gonna pass more. Add a Marion Barber III? Might run more. Add the Gronk? Red Zone changes COMPLETLEY. The base system is a plug and play, in general with non-superstar players, and the group success is greater than the individual.
A running joke is "The Patriots need a slot receiver. Who's the best white guy out there?" 😉
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Manning had better offensive weapons on the whole and had seasons in which their defense was legitimate. Not as often as NE's defense but there were seasons with legit defenses and yet he still has only has one ring. This discussion is absurd.
Manning had better offensive weapons on the whole and had seasons in which their defense was legitimate. Not as often as NE's defense but there were seasons with legit defenses and yet he still has only has one ring. This discussion is absurd.
NE had a better system. This player does this and this only. That player does that and that only. Think: the magical Phil Jackson Bulls' teams.
What's ridiculous is that you think I hold bias over someone just because they happened to be in my team's division for a while. 😉 He won, good for him. He flat out beat our ass. It happens. *shrug*
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I do think you hold a bias toward Brady but I'm not saying you're a bad guy. ?
For all of that supposed system it hasn't worked very well without Brady at any point in time, and then Brady went and got a ring with TB. He might not be the NFL GOAT but at his position he definitely has earned the crown.
You are misguided, then. I think ARodg is a 100% complete POS, but I have no problem in shooing him into the HOF. Gotta separate these things in discussions such as this.
And NE's system isn't as good w/o Brady. Proven. Brady (although obv age is a major factor) isn't as good without that particular structure. He brought in some players for that last SB run. Yes, he's good enough to get A ring on his own, but...
Hence, the perfect marriage, and I do mean perfect, between him and Bill B.
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I thought Alfred Anderson said that, could be wrong. Either way, HOF quote. Not the GOAT quote, though. 😉
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Kleinsasser was the GOAT. Only stat that matters is that there was one season where he had to replace his cage more than the entire Packers team did.
Manning lost because his defense was trash most the time lol, like bottom 2 worst in the league levels of bad with those colts teams numerous years. Same with Rodgers who had maybe 3 teams with an above average D. It’s not a tennis match between 2 QBs, even the years where the colts had a “legit” (see slightly above average) D they ran into a patriots team with a top 1-5 defense on the road or a Steelers team with a top 3 defense where their kicker missed a 46 yarder in a dome to tie the game. By my count Indy had 4 teams during Manning’s time there with an above average D and 1 team with an average defense, the rest were all below average and in some cases bottom 2 like I said before. Some of the years where they had good defenses they just blew chunks in big games too, see 2008 against the chargers in OT.
Also lol at Handy’s quote below, receipts please.
Plenty of players have had the so called advantages he had and got nowhere even close.
I am of sound mind and body, and you will rarely see the following words:
I am pleased that the Patriots won today.
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Manning lost because his defense was trash most the time lol, like bottom 2 worst in the league levels of bad with those colts teams numerous years.
For PTS allowed teams Manning played on were ranked: 23, 8, 7, 1, 23, 2, 19, 20, 7, 31, 15, 17 and 19. Not a murder's row but there was plenty of help in there often enough and nowhere near "bottom 2 worst in the league levels of bad". And again Manning had the far superior offensive weapons for the most part.
And I'm sorry but even in a team sport titles do matter - especially when talking about the most important position on the most successful teams in NFL history.
In a slightly similar vein no one talks about Marcel Dionne in the conversation for NHL GOAT, but they will mention Jagr, Messier, and Lemieux.
In basketball no one mentions Barkely, Ojajuwan or Dr. J. I'm possibly being somewhat too absolute with those mentions but the point is there. Manning had plenty of opportunity to accomplish more and just didn't. Same thing with Fran Tarkenton, Elway and Kelly.
Kelly was great, but not even Top 5 QB, and obv I'm a Kelly fanboy. He might make top 10, maybe. Tark is from the old era, and as I mentioned before, hard to compare post 1985 (West Coast offense/offenses opened up hardcore) and the old school. Elway was tremendous. He did have the Three Amigos bit for a while, admittedly.
Steve Young gets dismissed a little, due to following Montana. Fran V.2, honestly.
Barkley was damn good (and that other guy on that team, oh yeah, Stockton). Dionne, yep. Luc Robitaille, too. Dr J, agreed. Hell, on that level, Pippen.
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DVOA is a far better all encompassing efficiency metric. And he had five teams average or better, one of which was 16th in the league. They ended up losing to better patriots and Steelers defenses the years they had good D themselves too and were often on the road due to having a worse team. You also gotta consider how those defenses played in the playoffs and that one that lost to the chargers in OT on a TD and never gave the offense a chance was one of those above average D teams (also they were on the road despite having the better record lol). And yes some of those defenses were bottom 2, basically during the late 90’s and early 00’s but even the year they won the Super Bowl it was below average. I haven’t looked up whether they were ever favored to win in any of the games against NE in Foxborough but I can probably guess.Manning lost because his defense was trash most the time lol, like bottom 2 worst in the league levels of bad with those colts teams numerous years.
For PTS allowed teams Manning played on were ranked: 23, 8, 7, 1, 23, 2, 19, 20, 7, 31, 15, 17 and 19. Not a murder's row but there was plenty of help in there often enough and nowhere near "bottom 2 worst in the league levels of bad". And again Manning had the far superior offensive weapons for the most part.
And I'm sorry but even in a team sport titles do matter - especially when talking about the most important position on the most successful teams in NFL history.
In a slightly similar vein no one talks about Marcel Dionne in the conversation for NHL GOAT, but they will mention Jagr, Messier, and Lemieux.
In basketball no one mentions Barkely, Ojajuwan or Dr. J. I'm possibly being somewhat too absolute with those mentions but the point is there. Manning had plenty of opportunity to accomplish more and just didn't. Same thing with Fran Tarkenton, Elway and Kelly.
I will admit 2005 against the Steelers at home they missed a golden opportunity when they had an elite D, though like I said that steeler D was even better and ended up winning the Super Bowl. The offense didn’t have a great day on the whole but Vanderjagt missing a 46 yarder in a dome isn’t really Peyton’s fault either.
Also comparing different sports like basketball doesn’t really work because it’s essentially a five person game with minimal subbing and not a 52 man roster where you’re either on one side of the ball or the other.
Far better for your argument if you insist. Some of his defenses ranked even better for yards allowed than points. I'm bored trying to reason on this one. ?
Yes defensive efficiency which measures how quickly you get off the field and adjusts for quality of competition is better ? there’s a reason credible people cite it over your defensive metrics.
For reference the Vikings are 22nd in DVOA this year and hopefully you’re enjoying the game today ?
There's a reason why almost no once cites Manning as the GOAT.
Yes IND didn't necessarily have the better defensive teams, but based upon defensive DVOA they had teams ranked 17th, 12th, 20th, 5th, 2nd, 10th and 16th.
Meanwhile 4 of the Patriots titles were won with defensive DVOA ranked 13th, 12th, 16th and 19th. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2018/regular
In fact relative to all SB champions the highest rated NE team was 14th best for all. Next best was 36th, etc, etc. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-analysis/2020/historical-dvoa-estimates-revisited
And still being ignored is that Manning on average had the better offensive weapons with which to work.
GOAT is individual talent and what they did (or could do) with it. Peyton is insane with his QB knowledge, and he had the talent to succeed with it. There's a reason for the "easiest job in the world is OC for a Peyton-led team." 😉
Not saying he IS GOAT, but he should be in the discussion.
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Playoffs are setting up for some great matchups on the AFC side and some blowouts on the NFC side.
I can't wait for tomorrow night, but I also dread tomorrow night. Should be a nail-biter.
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Cowboys clinch the top NFC playoff seed with: Cowboys win AND Eagles loss AND 49ers loss.
HIGHLY unlikely, but how nuts is that?
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This is just a long winded way of saying that the patriots had better defenses on average. They were the better built and coached franchise on average as well. This had a huge factor in their success and why they won most the head to heads against the colts.There's a reason why almost no once cites Manning as the GOAT.
Yes IND didn't necessarily have the better defensive teams, but based upon defensive DVOA they had teams ranked 17th, 12th, 20th, 5th, 2nd, 10th and 16th.
Meanwhile 4 of the Patriots titles were won with defensive DVOA ranked 13th, 12th, 16th and 19th. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2018/regular
In fact relative to all SB champions the highest rated NE team was 14th best for all. Next best was 36th, etc, etc. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-analysis/2020/historical-dvoa-estimates-revisited
And still being ignored is that Manning on average had the better offensive weapons with which to work.
And yes Peyton had better receivers agreed but he was also playing in a much more basic system that just wasn’t as advanced as what Belichik was doing at the time. This also needs to be factored in.
This is just a long winded way of saying that the patriots had better defenses on average. They were the better built and coached franchise on average as well. This had a huge factor in their success and why they won most the head to heads against the colts.There's a reason why almost no once cites Manning as the GOAT.
Yes IND didn't necessarily have the better defensive teams, but based upon defensive DVOA they had teams ranked 17th, 12th, 20th, 5th, 2nd, 10th and 16th.
Meanwhile 4 of the Patriots titles were won with defensive DVOA ranked 13th, 12th, 16th and 19th. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2018/regular
In fact relative to all SB champions the highest rated NE team was 14th best for all. Next best was 36th, etc, etc. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-analysis/2020/historical-dvoa-estimates-revisited
And still being ignored is that Manning on average had the better offensive weapons with which to work.
And yes Peyton had better receivers agreed but he was also playing in a much more basic system that just wasn’t as advanced as what Belichik was doing at the time. This also needs to be factored in.
Only if you ignore the big picture. Here are some facts that discredit the argument Manning didn't have a chance to win more often in the playoffs:
-The Pats won 1 SB with a 19th ranked DVOA while Manning played on 7 teams with the Colts that had a better DVOA than 19
-Of the Pats 6 SB wins, 4 of the them were won with an average DVOA of 15th, meanwhile the Colts not only had 4 teams that were ranked better than 15, but had a 5th team ranked 16th.
It's as simple as that. Your argument hinges on the the claim the deck was stacked against Manning at all times, when in truth he had plenty of additional opportunities to lead a balanced team to a title and didn't. Not the GOAT. You can have the last word - your inability to state your case has become tiresome.
No I’m pointing out that the team that had better defenses on average, a better coach, and a team that got home playoffs pretty much every head to head against Manning (except the year Peyton beat them and won the Super Bowl) probably had something to do with Brady’s comparative success. The case is pretty simple, not my fault if you can’t follow along. Those patriots teams were just better overall and got the results because of it.
Bradys first three super bowls were with defenses ranked 13th, 6th, and 2nd. Comparatively those same years the colts were 30th, 12th and 20th. Gee I wonder if that had anything to do with the head to head playoff results and being on the road every time ?. Indy’s DVOA average during Peyton’s career was 19th in the league, 5 seasons of which were bottom 10 defenses or worse. The seasons they had above average defenses they ran into better defenses in PIT and NE who eventually won the superbowl or Chargers teams that had elite D/ST (not sure if ppl remember the game Sproles went off at home and they scored first possession of OT to win).
And yes Brady won a single Super Bowl with a below average defense against Jared Goff in the Super Bowl where his D held the rams to 3 points. Literally the only year.
Manning…lmao ?yes super smart, super dedicated, not super athletic, not as durable as Brady, 5 less SB titles & 7 less SB appearances, less career passing yards, less career TD passes. lol…Montana & even Elway are higher on my list than Manning.I would say Manning, based on individual talent, and I know that is an unpopular opinion (Handy filled in the blanks there). 😉 But, I also obviously see the case for Brady in that comparison.
The best "what if" and I know that is always a volatile thing: switch up Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith. Who'd have the best numbers? My mind asplodes at the thought of what Barry could do behind Emmitt's O-line. Barry had way more talent than Emmitt. Neither one is GOAT, just using that as a point of how we compare players.
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I heard on ESPN the Vikes will be playing the Giants in the 1st round of the playoffs
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I heard on ESPN the Vikes will be playing the Giants in the 1st round of the playoffs
That is one of the possibilities. The more likely one, but the Vikings still have a slim chance at getting #2 seed back. Win vs. Chicago and San Fran loses to Arizona.
Keep your stick on the ice...
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Sportsgods: Dear fan, you will have a really good team, BUT we'll assign J Buck or C Collinsworth to announce all your games. Fan: slowlyexhales rubsbackofneck Can I have a couple days to think about that?
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Should be one hell of a game tonight.
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Damar Hamlin gets injured on the field...CPR being administered. F*ing scary situation right now.
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Reminds me of Christian Erikson at the Euros last year. Just passed out in the middle of the game. Sure hope Hamlin is ok.