I thought the Patriots mess was for sneaking in and filming other teams pratice?It seems cheesy and over the top but not surprising coming from Harbaugh.is there an actual rule against doing this?
My guess is filming opposing sidelines is illegal? Did the Pats get in trouble for that when they were the Cheatriots?
I can see some trouble coming from filming the other teams sidelines during games, but can't believe that it's against the rules to scout games.
The rule was put in place 30 years ago and the teams all know about it. The NCAA said it was to curb costs but the truth was it was a way to make sure teams that could afford it (like Michigan) would not have another competitive advantage over teams that could not afford it. It was a way to keep competitive balance between the haves and have nots without really hurting anyone.
And the thing is, using game film to crack signs or stealing the signs in game is totally acceptable. That wasn't good enough for Harbaugh though (especially since his record was not endearing him to the Michigan Faithful) so he went with this. He will skate like he always does but make no mistake he knew the rules and broke them so he could beat tOSU and keep his job. No one is buying his bs including media friendly to him.
In person, yes. Reviewing TV footage is fine:It's against the rules to scout other teams?
NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." In-person scouting of future opponents was prohibited by the NCAA in 1994.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
That's pretty ridiculous for a sport that has a coach for just about every player on the roster.In person, yes. Reviewing TV footage is fine:It's against the rules to scout other teams?
NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." In-person scouting of future opponents was prohibited by the NCAA in 1994.
As handy said, it's intended to stop schools with big budgets from getting even more advantages over smaller schools. Because one thing that TV coverage frequently doesn't get is shots of the coaching staff signs/playcalling/etc.
You can still break down any TV coverage and pick out whatever you can, but, that's all. And, it's not a new rule, it's 30 years old.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
It's a CYA rule, nothing more.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
He is implying it is a rule to make it look like the NCAA cares about competitive balance i believe.
Well will this rule they do, but even if they did care big picture I'm not sure there's much they can do anymore as they lose more and more control. Just one example:
BT only:
48. Minnesota Golden Gophers: $199 million 42. Nebraska Cornhuskers: $236 million 37. Purdue Boilermakers: $289 million 28. Indiana Hoosiers: $351 million 26. Illinois Fighting Illini: $373 million 25. Penn State Nittany Lions: $386 million 24. Wisconsin Badgers: $389 million 21. Michigan State Spartans: $439 million 16. Iowa Hawkeyes: $477 million 15. Michigan Wolverines: $493 million 11. Ohio State Buckeyes: $536 million
You'd think UM would have enough wealthy graduates to close that gap with at least UW.
He is implying it is a rule to make it look like the NCAA cares about competitive balance i believe.
This.
"Well, we said it was against the rules."
Everyone still does it, MI just happened to get caught.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
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Tact is the ability to step on a man's toes without messing up the shine on his shoes - Harry S Truman
Harbaugh's time at Michigan is fleeting. He'll leave on his own before he can get pushed out. They better win the championship this year because I wouldn't be surprised if he was back on a NFL sideline next season.
He is implying it is a rule to make it look like the NCAA cares about competitive balance i believe.
This.
"Well, we said it was against the rules."Everyone still does it, MI just happened to get caught.
Actually almost none do it because it is a waste of resources in the modern era. If you just watch the game on tape you can often crack the code as most teams do not change their signals all that much during a season. Hell a basic statistical analysis will predict the play almost as well you just need to find as many factors as possible.
The reason it makes sense for Michigan/Harbaugh is that it is a line item and the truth is, without it, Harbaugh was getting canned sooner or later. tOSU owned him and while his record was far from sub par, it was not the record that Michigan thinks they deserve especially for the money they pay him. (not to mention his yearly attempts to get an NFL job) The risk/reward equation was easy...its not a fireable offense on its own because it is not a Class A style violation and it gives them insight that will tip the scales in their favor in a close matchup. Its like the invalid fair catch...might as well try it because worst case the ball is blown dead with no penalty while the best case is you force a 15 yard penalty or make a huge play.
Now the thing is, Michigan might be getting sick of all the negative press and NCAA interactions every year so while this may not be the reason on its own, sooner or later the cumulative effect will take hold. I dont think that is going to happen here (unless he makes another dalliance with the NFL in hopes of a better contract) but you never know.
Personally I think it is chicken[bleep] to do it this way...in the same way it was for the Astros when they were caught. It tells me you aren't as good as you think you are. All things being equal whoever coaches tOSU is a better coach than Harbaugh, he knows it, so he breaks rules to try and give himself a better chance to not crap the bed against a rival. Then, you do it so blatantly and so obvious that even schools like Rutgers and the U, who you should beat blindfolded, know you are doing it against them as well. (hence Schiano's comments and likely why PJ snubbed Harbaugh if I am reading right) Why? If you can't beat those teams with all your power, prestige and advantages without stealing signs then you are just pathetic.
For the record, I dont think Michigan should can him for it, I think the NCAA should put back in place the original suspension he got and add a couple games.
Some more info:
In the ESPN article from the other day at least one school says they have video evidence of Stalions taping the sideline the entire game on his smartphone.
A bit more:
Here is a rumor about who is leaking a lot of the info:
Oh and for those of you that are gamblers:
This is hilarious!
He is implying it is a rule to make it look like the NCAA cares about competitive balance i believe.
This.
"Well, we said it was against the rules."Everyone still does it, MI just happened to get caught.
Actually almost none do it because it is a waste of resources in the modern era. If you just watch the game on tape you can often crack the code as most teams do not change their signals all that much during a season. Hell a basic statistical analysis will predict the play almost as well you just need to find as many factors as possible.
The reason it makes sense for Michigan/Harbaugh is that it is a line item and the truth is, without it, Harbaugh was getting canned sooner or later. tOSU owned him and while his record was far from sub par, it was not the record that Michigan thinks they deserve especially for the money they pay him. (not to mention his yearly attempts to get an NFL job) The risk/reward equation was easy...its not a fireable offense on its own because it is not a Class A style violation and it gives them insight that will tip the scales in their favor in a close matchup. Its like the invalid fair catch...might as well try it because worst case the ball is blown dead with no penalty while the best case is you force a 15 yard penalty or make a huge play.
Now the thing is, Michigan might be getting sick of all the negative press and NCAA interactions every year so while this may not be the reason on its own, sooner or later the cumulative effect will take hold. I dont think that is going to happen here (unless he makes another dalliance with the NFL in hopes of a better contract) but you never know.
Personally I think it is chicken[bleep] to do it this way...in the same way it was for the Astros when they were caught. It tells me you aren't as good as you think you are. All things being equal whoever coaches tOSU is a better coach than Harbaugh, he knows it, so he breaks rules to try and give himself a better chance to not crap the bed against a rival. Then, you do it so blatantly and so obvious that even schools like Rutgers and the U, who you should beat blindfolded, know you are doing it against them as well. (hence Schiano's comments and likely why PJ snubbed Harbaugh if I am reading right) Why? If you can't beat those teams with all your power, prestige and advantages without stealing signs then you are just pathetic.
For the record, I dont think Michigan should can him for it, I think the NCAA should put back in place the original suspension he got and add a couple games.
Exactly. So much cheaper just to have some nerd on an iPad running a program that could get wiped with the push of a button.
There's a really fun video out there on stealing signs with simple program, a neural network, and how fast it can steal even complex signs with a few data points.
There is a new rumor out there that Michigan may have offered to help another school in the CFP (assumed to be tOSU) with their matchup.
Oh and the NCAA has the phones, tablets and computer drives of all the coaches and apparently there is evidence that all the coaches had access to the drive and used it.
It would be absolutely delicious if u-mi and its Woody Hayes wanna-be got in trouble with the NCAA over something so petty.
I know they won't but still....
“When your best friend is the son of God, you get tired of losing every argument.”
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Watching the IU-PSU game and they threw out a stat about IU's bowl game history, IU's last bowl win was in the 1991 Copper (whateverthehellthatis) Bowl and they've played in just six bowl games since '91. Holy moly that's dismal. I mean it's hard to be a Gopher football fan but at least there is hope.
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This would be a really bad week for Ohio State to crap the bed.
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This would be a really bad week for Ohio State to crap the bed.
Wisconsin goes down the field and ties it 10-10 then solid drive by Ohio State and great catch by Harrison Jr to retake the lead
tOSU up 24-10 with 4+ left.
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College football stupid rule if you go down to the ground untouched play stops, STUPID rule
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Aloha!
I mean it has been that way since forever so...
So was the two line pass in the NHL and they finally realized the stupidity of the rule.
If the NHL can find wisdom anyone can.....maybe the NCAA will do something?
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I actually like the rule. It saves alot of hits. Makes sense when there are already enough concussions and other injuries.
Nah that rule was ass and slowed the game down which is the opposite of what I want to watch, the last thing hockey needs is to make it easier to neutral zone trap ? . There are better ways to curb concussions.
Idk why NCAAF has that rule but it never really made sense to me.
College football stupid rule if you go down to the ground untouched play stops, STUPID rule
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NFL has a similar rule, about "giving yourself up." You go down intentionally untouched and play is over.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I agree. If the NFL was serious about safety, adopt the same rule.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
You know, people used to view it as a good thing that the NCAA had different rules than the NFL. It is what differentiated the two versions of the sport. In college it is one foot down for a catch as opposed to 2 in the NFL. Penalties are more black and white like no 5 yard and 15 yard version of penalties and so on. 9some of that has changed for the worse) The clock stopped on first downs. (doing away with that) Players were down if they couldn't stay on their feet. It is what made the game more fun. Now everyone just wants it to be exactly like the NFL which is boring...
I bet most around here enjoy the fact that NCAA hockey is different (and better!) than NHL hockey and the differences and play and rules is likely part of that.
Agree. Those are some of the reasons that I enjoy the college game, both football and hockey, more than their professional forms.
In the "Nobody cares in the state of Minnesota" report...rumors are heating up that Brian Ferentz is out as OC at Iowa. A couple beat writers are being coy which has us fans just foaming at the mouth about the slightest possibility that this will come true.
*Now David Eickholt is reporting the B. Ferentz will step down at the end of the season...yay! but damn...why not now?
I am the official Iowa Hawkeye football fan of GPL!
I really think they should rethink this... They've been a top B1G west team for years, seems foolish. (That's sarcasm since this is the interweb).
I have to believe the AD told the elder Ferentz this has to happen.
I would imagine the interim AD Beth Goetz may be behind this move. She has clearly been proactive in many respects about moving the Iowa athletic department in a positive direction in her short time at the helm. She is very visible at just about every Hawkeye game or fan event. I have no doubt that big donors have her ear in regards to the football program.
I have read many articles about how bad the Iowa offense has been for how long. I get it, it wasn't much better before BF took over as OC but it seems to have regressed even further. Iowa used to be above average at running the ball because of above average lineman and running backs. We still have both but they aren't developing into all Big Ten players like they used to. Player development falls on the OC as much as play calling does in my book, BF has been dismal in both departments.
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Can we send him to Wisconsin?
I would say this might be a sign KF is leaving too but I doubt he wants to give up that guaranteed money.
Doesn't he have another kid...maybe its that kids turn to suck at their job 😉
Love the optimism Handy ?
Can we send him to Wisconsin?
I would say this might be a sign KF is leaving too but I doubt he wants to give up that guaranteed money.
Doesn't he have another kid...maybe its that kids turn to suck at their job 😉
There are two more sons; James who was still playing in the NFL albeit on the Patriots practice squad, and Steve who is an assistant coach at South Dakota.
Some ponder if KF is thinking about an exit but like you say it is hard to pass up the money he has coming in. He is the highest paid state employee in Iowa...you read that right, the highest paid. Then there is the outside compensation that actually is where he makes his real money.
There does come a time when he should ride off into the sunset. It was hard for Hayden to do that but there is a time. I don't think it's this year but I think in 2024 or 2025 he will, which is five years before his contract runs out.
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Apparently Iowa's 2nd half offense of 24 plays / 2 total yards (6 feet, 72 inches) against the Gophers was the final straw. Iowa had a bye this past weekend.
So they weren't impressed by Iowa's 3 inches (per play) and a cloud of dust offense? ?
Can we send him to Wisconsin?
I would say this might be a sign KF is leaving too but I doubt he wants to give up that guaranteed money.
Doesn't he have another kid...maybe its that kids turn to suck at their job 😉
There are two more sons; James who was still playing in the NFL albeit on the Patriots practice squad, and Steve who is an assistant coach at South Dakota.
Some ponder if KF is thinking about an exit but like you say it is hard to pass up the money he has coming in. He is the highest paid state employee in Iowa...you read that right, the highest paid. Then there is the outside compensation that actually is where he makes his real money.
There does come a time when he should ride off into the sunset. It was hard for Hayden to do that but there is a time. I don't think it's this year but I think in 2024 or 2025 he will, which is five years before his contract runs out.
Many (or even most) states' highest paid employees are the football coach (and sometimes coaches)
I don't think Dabo liked his question. ? (some bad language)
He's not wrong.
https://twitter.com/AthletesInSpace/status/1719189255904272566?s=20
This story just keeps delivering! tOSU sure got their money's worth out of this!
Dabo said what every CEO wishes they could say publicly (Elon aside, who says whatever).
The difference is that Dabo added an average of 4 wins to the program representing a 60% increase. If a CEO managed to increase revenue and earnings by 60% for 14 years, they should (and will) be paid near the top relative to peers.
Even one bad year wouldn't be viewed by the board as "Hmm maybe we should go another direction"
Dabo is 100% right here. 4-4 is such an aberration given his record, until there's another data point, it's barely worth discussing beyond asking what steps he's taking to fix this.
95% plus of armchair fans/coaches wouldn't have a clue if they were given the reigns to run a team for one series on both sides of the ball.
Keep your stick on the ice...