Why didn’t they just pay Russel Wilson 2 million?
Maybe Russell Wilson wanted to play for Pittsburgh.
If he would have waited until Cousins signed maybe things would have turned out different but he didn't.
The amount of dead money the Broncos were willing to take on (the most ever) to release him is a huge sign that his skills have deteriorated.
Why didn’t they just pay Russel Wilson 2 million?
Because maybe he didn't want to play here? You understand that he has free will right?
Jones is fine as a signing...Darnold sucks. They definitely have eyes on drafting a QB but they don't think any of them are ready to start. Not that Darnold is...
Free Agency has been very weird so far.
@handyman maybe, maybe not. It’s more of an example to use Wilson in this case than anything. They can choose teams?😁 Darnold is apparently what they were looking for. A veteran backup for 10 million to groom the kid coming hopefully, whoever. Seems like the packers have this quarterback thing figured out to a T. Favre meet Rogers, Rogers this is Love. It’s kinda ugly at the end of the break up but once their torch is passed it’s working.
Darnold is turrible but he's not being brought in as the future of the franchise.
@handyman maybe, maybe not. It’s more of an example to use Wilson in this case than anything. They can choose teams?😁 Darnold is apparently what they were looking for. A veteran backup for 10 million to groom the kid coming hopefully, whoever. Seems like the packers have this quarterback thing figured out to a T. Favre meet Rogers, Rogers this is Love. It’s kinda ugly at the end of the break up but once their torch is passed it’s working.
Can someone translate this for me?
I would rather pay Darnold as a backup than Russel Wilson for anything. Wilson is an egomaniac and will alienate half the team on day 1. His flameout in Denver was pretty amazing to watch...especially when the coddled him.
Darnold is turrible but he's not being brought in as the future of the franchise.
he is so bad he is just like Cousins not able to scramble what so ever
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@handyman maybe, maybe not. It’s more of an example to use Wilson in this case than anything. They can choose teams?😁 Darnold is apparently what they were looking for. A veteran backup for 10 million to groom the kid coming hopefully, whoever. Seems like the packers have this quarterback thing figured out to a T. Favre meet Rogers, Rogers this is Love. It’s kinda ugly at the end of the break up but once their torch is passed it’s working.
Can someone translate this for me?
I would rather pay Darnold as a backup than Russel Wilson for anything. Wilson is an egomaniac and will alienate half the team on day 1. His flameout in Denver was pretty amazing to watch...especially when the coddled him.
Ok, the Vikings went from cousins to Darnold for now. Although temporary, they have the worst qb in the division and unless they find their lightning in a bottle via draft (cj.stroud) they’ll stay that way. Running back situation is now average for one year with jones (if he stays healthy). That’s the point.
Sign cousins for 180 million? No. The packers have a guy in place to take over their last 2 that moved on. It would be nice if the Vikings could get away from always having to pay at their peak market values and develop their own in that way so they get those few years of production cheap.
@handyman maybe, maybe not. It’s more of an example to use Wilson in this case than anything. They can choose teams?😁 Darnold is apparently what they were looking for. A veteran backup for 10 million to groom the kid coming hopefully, whoever. Seems like the packers have this quarterback thing figured out to a T. Favre meet Rogers, Rogers this is Love. It’s kinda ugly at the end of the break up but once their torch is passed it’s working.
Can someone translate this for me?
I would rather pay Darnold as a backup than Russel Wilson for anything. Wilson is an egomaniac and will alienate half the team on day 1. His flameout in Denver was pretty amazing to watch...especially when the coddled him.
Ok, the Vikings went from cousins to Darnold for now. Although temporary, they have the worst qb in the division and unless they find their lightning in a bottle via draft (cj.stroud) they’ll stay that way. Running back situation is now average for one year with jones (if he stays healthy). That’s the point.
I’d say the combo of Jones and Chandler is as good as we’ve had for a while here
RB is the least of their worries as of now. They still have a terrible overall defense, and imho a very yet unproven coaching staff that leans inadequate.
They have zero chance of making the playoffs next year and every single move they make should be in preparation for the future.
RB is the least of their worries as of now. They still have a terrible overall defense, and imho a very yet unproven coaching staff that leans inadequate.
They have zero chance of making the playoffs next year and every single move they make should be in preparation for the future.
And Prep for no JJ
Top 4 QBs in the draft:
- Caleb Williams (USC)
- Drake Maye (UNC)
Then you have a lot of varied opinion on:
- JJ McCarthy (Mich)
- Bo Nix (Oregon)
- Jayden Daniels (LSU)
- Michael Pennix (Wash)
Without being a deep dive draft and NCAAF expert, I don't see much difference between that clump of four other than aligning their style and capabilities to the team they're playing for and drafted by.
So, there are 6 QBs in the draft that are getting some attention and you pick 11. Unless there's an undercard the Vikings really like outside that 6.
PFF just did another Mock draft after all the free agent signings.
They had Drake Maye falling to 11.
Again my main concern is JJ. Does he have 1 foot out the door?
JJ will wait to see what they do at QB before he makes any decisions...as he should.
JJ will wait to see what they do at QB before he makes any decisions...as he should.
that’s what I’m thinking. He’s got all the leverage right now and he’s seen how the season played out for Garrett Wilson not having a qb that could get him the ball. I’d be shocked if he stays but these days if I’m the Vikings I’m asking him who he likes out of the top 6 qb’s. The kid from LSU might be something of a good match with him. I’m almost ok with them trading him now while he’s worth what he is, otherwise if things get into next season it could be the Randy Moss situation again where he goes somewhere anyway and we get a 3rd or 4th round pick. That was a rough trade imo.
I just don’t get where all the cap money is going? Hockenson, smith? I mean looking at Philly and San Fran and the studs there I don’t know how they’re doing it.
I just don’t get where all the cap money is going? Hockenson, smith? I mean looking at Philly and San Fran and the studs there I don’t know how they’re doing it.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/minnesota-vikings
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JJ is reportedly asking for $40m plus and if he doesn't come down from that you absolutely part ways.
Top 4 QBs in the draft:
- Caleb Williams (USC)
- Drake Maye (UNC)
Then you have a lot of varied opinion on:
- JJ McCarthy (Mich)
- Bo Nix (Oregon)
- Jayden Daniels (LSU)
- Michael Pennix (Wash)
Without being a deep dive draft and NCAAF expert, I don't see much difference between that clump of four other than aligning their style and capabilities to the team they're playing for and drafted by.
So, there are 6 QBs in the draft that are getting some attention and you pick 11. Unless there's an undercard the Vikings really like outside that 6.
I think they’ll stay at 11 and take McCarthy. McDaniels seems like the most exciting option but he tends to expose himself to a lot of big hits and that doesn’t usually work out well in the NFL
RB is the least of their worries as of now. They still have a terrible overall defense, and imho a very yet unproven coaching staff that leans inadequate.
They have zero chance of making the playoffs next year and every single move they make should be in preparation for the future.
They had the 4th least rushing yards in the league last year…seems like they should worry about that. Zero chance? I would say Houston had zero chance of making the playoffs last year going into the season but the best QB in the draft fell in their lap and they won a playoff game.
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RB is the least of their worries as of now. They still have a terrible overall defense, and imho a very yet unproven coaching staff that leans inadequate.
They have zero chance of making the playoffs next year and every single move they make should be in preparation for the future.
They had the 4th least rushing yards in the league last year…seems like they should worry about that. Zero chance? I would say Houston had zero chance of making the playoffs last year going into the season but the best QB in the draft fell in their lap and they won a playoff game.
I think RB is a moot point because I don't trust this current coaching staff/GM and I don't trust the defense will be good enough to matter. Yes if they finally get lucky on drafting a QB of the future for the first time in multiple decades then perhaps all bets are off.
Maybe it's just me but I'm not convinced Darnold is going to be awful here. He had a rough start to his career obviously, but he was drafted by a disastrous organization and then traded to another disastrous organization (where he actually performed pretty well in his starts - went 4-2 with 1200 passing yards and 7 TDs/3 INTs in 6 starts for a team that started 3-8). He looked at least moderately functional in limited duty with a good organization last year (SF) and now he comes to a team with elite offensive weapons for him to throw to.
If the skillset he had in college that caused teams to draft him in the top 3 haven't completely disappeared, he could be a fine QB here (I look at it like what we saw out of Baker Mayfield in Tampa last season when he finally got to a team that had competent WRs).
I don't expect him to be the future of the franchise by any means, but it wouldn't surprise me (if he plays 16-17 games) to see him become a respectable QB this season.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1768311838049980914?t=gqQzQ3sw3Wq9O9WbZi4RZQ&s=19
Considering Kirk openly admitted having conversations with the Falcons ahead of time during his press conference, this seems like it should be a pretty easy decision.
Top 4 QBs in the draft:
- Caleb Williams (USC)
- Drake Maye (UNC)
Then you have a lot of varied opinion on:
- JJ McCarthy (Mich)
- Bo Nix (Oregon)
- Jayden Daniels (LSU)
- Michael Pennix (Wash)
Without being a deep dive draft and NCAAF expert, I don't see much difference between that clump of four other than aligning their style and capabilities to the team they're playing for and drafted by.
So, there are 6 QBs in the draft that are getting some attention and you pick 11. Unless there's an undercard the Vikings really like outside that 6.
I think they’ll stay at 11 and take McCarthy. McDaniels seems like the most exciting option but he tends to expose himself to a lot of big hits and that doesn’t usually work out well in the NFL
Remember RGIII? Same deal there.
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Maybe it's just me but I'm not convinced Darnold is going to be awful here. He had a rough start to his career obviously, but he was drafted by a disastrous organization and then traded to another disastrous organization (where he actually performed pretty well in his starts - went 4-2 with 1200 passing yards and 7 TDs/3 INTs in 6 starts for a team that started 3-8). He looked at least moderately functional in limited duty with a good organization last year (SF) and now he comes to a team with elite offensive weapons for him to throw to.
If the skillset he had in college that caused teams to draft him in the top 3 haven't completely disappeared, he could be a fine QB here (I look at it like what we saw out of Baker Mayfield in Tampa last season when he finally got to a team that had competent WRs).
I don't expect him to be the future of the franchise by any means, but it wouldn't surprise me (if he plays 16-17 games) to see him become a respectable QB this season.
Darnold is not a starter on a good team in the league. He can be a solid backup but if he starts 16-17 games for the Vikings they will not sniff the playoffs.
And the NFC North is likely to be a lot tougher than the NFC South was last year so I am not sure Baker is a good comparison. (plus I think Baker is better anyways)
I am fine with bringing him in...but he has been around long enough to know what he is.
Maybe it's just me but I'm not convinced Darnold is going to be awful here. He had a rough start to his career obviously, but he was drafted by a disastrous organization and then traded to another disastrous organization (where he actually performed pretty well in his starts - went 4-2 with 1200 passing yards and 7 TDs/3 INTs in 6 starts for a team that started 3-8). He looked at least moderately functional in limited duty with a good organization last year (SF) and now he comes to a team with elite offensive weapons for him to throw to.
If the skillset he had in college that caused teams to draft him in the top 3 haven't completely disappeared, he could be a fine QB here (I look at it like what we saw out of Baker Mayfield in Tampa last season when he finally got to a team that had competent WRs).
I don't expect him to be the future of the franchise by any means, but it wouldn't surprise me (if he plays 16-17 games) to see him become a respectable QB this season.
Darnold is not a starter on a good team in the league. He can be a solid backup but if he starts 16-17 games for the Vikings they will not sniff the playoffs.
And the NFC North is likely to be a lot tougher than the NFC South was last year so I am not sure Baker is a good comparison. (plus I think Baker is better anyways)
I am fine with bringing him in...but he has been around long enough to know what he is.
I'm not really expecting the team to be contending for the playoffs this season. That's part of what happens when a team needs to find a new QB. I think KOC and KAM are throwing a dart with him and seeing if they can salvage his raw talent.
I think the only way he gets 16-17 starts is if his play shows he's deserving of it. Otherwise I assume that whichever QB they draft will be thrown into the lineup once KOC feels like they are ready to go (or Darnold plays his way out of the lineup).
I do like the moves they've made on the defensive side of the ball through FA so far this year. I'm hoping they can add a CB to the cornerback room as well, but we'll see how they approach that position. This doesn't seem to be a super deep CB draft on paper. Arnold, Kool-Aid, DeJean (if they're classifying him as a CB), Wiggins, and Mitchell are probably the first round CBs and there are maybe 2-3 more that will be taken in the second round. But none of them really stands out as a "shutdown corner" that would merit a top 10 pick this year.
Pressure from the D line on the qb can make an average corner look pretty good when you take that time away from the offense. I’ve never really been a fan of the first round corner unless that’s all you need. i’d like to see that Viking defense get back to where it was fun to watch.
Maybe it's just me but I'm not convinced Darnold is going to be awful here. He had a rough start to his career obviously, but he was drafted by a disastrous organization and then traded to another disastrous organization (where he actually performed pretty well in his starts - went 4-2 with 1200 passing yards and 7 TDs/3 INTs in 6 starts for a team that started 3-8). He looked at least moderately functional in limited duty with a good organization last year (SF) and now he comes to a team with elite offensive weapons for him to throw to.
If the skillset he had in college that caused teams to draft him in the top 3 haven't completely disappeared, he could be a fine QB here (I look at it like what we saw out of Baker Mayfield in Tampa last season when he finally got to a team that had competent WRs).
I don't expect him to be the future of the franchise by any means, but it wouldn't surprise me (if he plays 16-17 games) to see him become a respectable QB this season.
Darnold is not a starter on a good team in the league. He can be a solid backup but if he starts 16-17 games for the Vikings they will not sniff the playoffs.
And the NFC North is likely to be a lot tougher than the NFC South was last year so I am not sure Baker is a good comparison. (plus I think Baker is better anyways)
I am fine with bringing him in...but he has been around long enough to know what he is.
I'm not really expecting the team to be contending for the playoffs this season. That's part of what happens when a team needs to find a new QB. I think KOC and KAM are throwing a dart with him and seeing if they can salvage his raw talent.
I think the only way he gets 16-17 starts is if his play shows he's deserving of it. Otherwise I assume that whichever QB they draft will be thrown into the lineup once KOC feels like they are ready to go (or Darnold plays his way out of the lineup).
I do like the moves they've made on the defensive side of the ball through FA so far this year. I'm hoping they can add a CB to the cornerback room as well, but we'll see how they approach that position. This doesn't seem to be a super deep CB draft on paper. Arnold, Kool-Aid, DeJean (if they're classifying him as a CB), Wiggins, and Mitchell are probably the first round CBs and there are maybe 2-3 more that will be taken in the second round. But none of them really stands out as a "shutdown corner" that would merit a top 10 pick this year.
Agreed, I am happy so far with revamping the D. Last year we were playing Flores' system with players that weren't meant to be in it. I want him to be able to run the scheme with guys who can play it.
I liked Cousins and was never one of his haters...but I am also glad that he is gone. He commands too much money and the team can never really build for the future with him as the QB. Time to draft someone and get going with the next phase. Turnaround in the NFL is fast so if we can just be patient maybe we can be building something. With Kirk we knew who we were and where we were going...
(if they don't find a way to draft a QB though...oh boy)
Are the Vikings collecting picks to package them to move up?
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Definitely seems like they are getting ready to move up. Lets go!
Definitely seems like they are getting ready to move up. Lets go!
Am I the only one that's not that enamored with the top 4 qbs this year? I am not sure any of them will be great.
Definitely seems like they are getting ready to move up. Lets go!
Am I the only one that's not that enamored with the top 4 qbs this year? I am not sure any of them will be great.
Per the experts this is a Top QB Draft. Who knows. Remember when Todd Mcshay said that Mitch Leidner would be a 1st round pick
Definitely seems like they are getting ready to move up. Lets go!
Am I the only one that's not that enamored with the top 4 qbs this year? I am not sure any of them will be great.
Per the experts this is a Top QB Draft. Who knows. Remember when Todd Mcshay said that Mitch Leidner would be a 1st round pick
I just think of a QB like Mccarthy. He played in an offense that didn't throw that much and he often knew what play the defense was running. I just don't see how a qb like that can be rated so high.
I'm not really convinced that anyone has cracked the code on quarterback evaluations. It's very much a crapshoot, but it's a position you pretty much have to swing for the fences for if you want to compete at the top.
I'm not really convinced that anyone has cracked the code on quarterback evaluations. It's very much a crapshoot, but it's a position you pretty much have to swing for the fences for if you want to compete at the top.
And they are not even close.
I know there are more recent examples but imagine scouts and ESPN blowhards were debating which QB should be drafted first?
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I'm not really convinced that anyone has cracked the code on quarterback evaluations. It's very much a crapshoot, but it's a position you pretty much have to swing for the fences for if you want to compete at the top.
I'd love to be wrong here but I don't have a lot of faith that the Kwesi is the guy who is going to draft a franchise altering (in a positive way) QB. Maybe I should have lower expectations than I have had for him though.
I'm not really convinced that anyone has cracked the code on quarterback evaluations. It's very much a crapshoot, but it's a position you pretty much have to swing for the fences for if you want to compete at the top.
Drafting a QB seems to be as much about who drafts him and what they put around him as anything else.
The positives for a rookie QB for the Vikings:
Offensive minded head coach (who was also a QB)
Best receiver in football
Seemingly great #2 WR with Addison
Top 3-4 TE in the NFL
Above average offensive line--which feels weird to say
This should be an ideal situation for a rookie QB to be able to have success in.
Definitely seems like they are getting ready to move up. Lets go!
I’m not convinced they’re moving up. If they like Penix they might think that’s a good spot to take him.
I'm not really convinced that anyone has cracked the code on quarterback evaluations. It's very much a crapshoot, but it's a position you pretty much have to swing for the fences for if you want to compete at the top.
I'd love to be wrong here but I don't have a lot of faith that the Kwesi is the guy who is going to draft a franchise altering (in a positive way) QB. Maybe I should have lower expectations than I have had for him though.
I have always respected your opinion as you don’t hand it out often and you seem to be level headed.
I am not a Kwesi bobo but I am curious what you base your opinion on. I don’t follow drafts that closely but it seems we have too little data for Kwesi so far.
Don’t get me wrong, that Lewis Cine pick seemed like a disaster from the beginning, but drafts can be tricky. We have had many Lewis Cine like picks from all of our former GMs. I do like that he doesn’t feel pressured into certain situations and I was happy he didn’t throw so much money at an aging, injured QB when we have two young high end WRs. Go out and draft a QB (this year OR next) and let them grow up together.
5 years. To inherit a team with a horrid OLine and decent (not great) defense...the NFL seems to be copying the college model. 5 years is the timeline to make the team your own, and if you win a title, you're golden for 5 years.
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I'm not really convinced that anyone has cracked the code on quarterback evaluations. It's very much a crapshoot, but it's a position you pretty much have to swing for the fences for if you want to compete at the top.
I'd love to be wrong here but I don't have a lot of faith that the Kwesi is the guy who is going to draft a franchise altering (in a positive way) QB. Maybe I should have lower expectations than I have had for him though.
I have always respected your opinion as you don’t hand it out often and you seem to be level headed.
I am not a Kwesi bobo but I am curious what you base your opinion on. I don’t follow drafts that closely but it seems we have too little data for Kwesi so far.
Don’t get me wrong, that Lewis Cine pick seemed like a disaster from the beginning, but drafts can be tricky. We have had many Lewis Cine like picks from all of our former GMs. I do like that he doesn’t feel pressured into certain situations and I was happy he didn’t throw so much money at an aging, injured QB when we have two young high end WRs. Go out and draft a QB (this year OR next) and let them grow up together.
I do feel bad for Cine. His injury his rookie year was devastating. I'm wondering if he'll ever see the field consistently after that.
Possible they have a connection with Josh McCown (new QB coach) and Drake Maye (coached him in high school) and apparently the Vikings “adore” Maye.I'm just having trouble seeing how they’re gonna make a trade with NE, their current starter is Bailey Zappe. They are desperate for a QB after giving up on Mac Jones.
That smells like a smokescreen to me...
Wow the Bears must have had no one offer anything they gave away Fields for a bag of balls and a pile on. 🤣
Wow the Bears must have had no one offer anything they gave away Fields for a bag of balls and a pile on. 🤣
I don’t think Fields will ever be a top 10 QB in the league but only a 6th rounder…?….ouch