They could lose every game but 3 next season and I wouldn't care. Just win one game each vs. CHI and GB, and beat SEA.
It’s Mullins or Hall this week they both were throwing in practice today
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I like it. Nothing to lose letting him start. If he can play halfway decent but not turn the ball over the Vikes will be competitive. See what you have.
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It’s December 28th and the Minnesota Vikings have more losses (8) than the Minnesota Timberwolves (7). State of Basketball?
That is one amazing stat.
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0% chance.
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I will put the chances of that happening at about 0.1%
Jordan Love picking the defense apart on the second drive.
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This would be the dumbest decision they could make.
I know Mullens turned it over every other drive but at least the team moved the ball with him. The Packers are missing like 80% of their secondary and Hall has more interceptions than completions.
Hall looks AWFUL so far tonight…no big surprise. When is KOC inserting Mullens? What a Fning JOKE starting Hall, unless you’re purposely trying to lose.I know Mullens turned it over every other drive but at least the team moved the ball with him. The Packers are missing like 80% of their secondary and Hall has more interceptions than completions.
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This would be the dumbest decision they could make.
That is an understatement. Cousins is a better choice. Denver is literally giving up on him and yet somehow we would want him why exactly? He does not make us a contender in any way.
A lot of fans wanted to see Hall play because he threw 3 great passes week 9.Hall looks AWFUL so far tonight…no big surprise. When is KOC inserting Mullens? What a Fning JOKE starting Hall, unless you’re purposely trying to lose.I know Mullens turned it over every other drive but at least the team moved the ball with him. The Packers are missing like 80% of their secondary and Hall has more interceptions than completions.
Honestly I think it’s great they played Hall so we don’t have to listen to everyone complaining about the next savior for the 9 months.
A lot of fans wanted to see Hall play because he threw 3 great passes week 9.Hall looks AWFUL so far tonight…no big surprise. When is KOC inserting Mullens? What a Fning JOKE starting Hall, unless you’re purposely trying to lose.I know Mullens turned it over every other drive but at least the team moved the ball with him. The Packers are missing like 80% of their secondary and Hall has more interceptions than completions.
Honestly I think it’s great they played Hall so we don’t have to listen to everyone complaining about the next savior for the 9 months.
I was fine with starting Hall to see what they have in him but I’d also like us to lose out and draft a QB in round 1.
That late GB TD is embarrassing. Another turnover and then Smith massively misplayed Reed on the TD
Halls got nothing. KOC…as good a job as he did last year, his relative inexperience as a HC had really shown this year, very wishy washy in his decisions all season, including early before Cousins was injured. To me, starting Hall tonight is only OK if you’re tanking. To be down 23-3 at halftime (at home) to a so-so Packer squad that we bitch slapped at Lambeau is embarrassing, especially to the fans who paid good money to attend this abomination!
A lot of fans wanted to see Hall play because he threw 3 great passes week 9.Hall looks AWFUL so far tonight…no big surprise. When is KOC inserting Mullens? What a Fning JOKE starting Hall, unless you’re purposely trying to lose.I know Mullens turned it over every other drive but at least the team moved the ball with him. The Packers are missing like 80% of their secondary and Hall has more interceptions than completions.
Honestly I think it’s great they played Hall so we don’t have to listen to everyone complaining about the next savior for the 9 months.
There is nothing wrong with trying to see if he has any real ability to play. It isn't like Mullins was the future. If he is playing as bad as the score indicates then no reason to keep him in there though.
I literally would have turned the game OFF if KOC wouldn’t have taken Hall out at halftime. Packers are too far ahead to catch, but at least Mullens knows how to throw a forward pass…lol…sometimes to the other team though.
There was zero reason to go back to Mullens. I don't care that he is more willing to throw the ball downfield. They have no business fighting for a playoff spot and they need to flesh out Hall some more.
I don’t think the defense ever had any ideas of making who was the quarterback a concern.
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You might want to recheck your calendar/schedule. They still have the season finale against the Lions next Sunday.
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The Vikings are currently in draft position 12 with a loss next Sunday they could finish with a top 10 pick depending on how some other teams do.
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Sure, because using 4 QBs, missing your best player(s) for half a season, and prob 2nd best offensive player for 3-4 weeks is the coach's fault.
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The biggest question is do you reload or keep your $30M QB and keep wishing for a solid playoff run?
Vikings end up with the 11th pick in the draft
There will be a lot of talk about the Vikings picking a QB in the 1st round but I am totally cool with the Vikings going defense in the 1st round.
This is one of the reason why I hope they resign Cousins if you don't I think you force yourself to go QB early and are likely forced to start him right away.
I am not in favor of starting a rookie QB before he is ready. This is why I wasn't in the camp of needing to play Hall to see what you have. They know what they have right now seeing him in practice. He isn't ready now maybe he will be in a year or two.
If one of the 6 QBs (Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Penix Jr, Nix) falls to the 2nd round I would consider it but I am not sold on McCarthy and Nix. 3 or 4 will likely go in the top 10.
Either way picking in the top 1/3 of every round should make this draft more fun to follow.
BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if we trade up or down in the 1st round. Kwesi in his first two years has shown he is willing to trade. Obviously when you trade some will work out/some wouldn't and that has been the case.
They need a QB whether they sign Cousins or not. Even if you don't like starting a rookie (even though plenty of rookies start and do just fine) we can't just keep pretending Cousins is a long term solution and kick the can down the road. By the time we replace him we won't have anyone who is ready to take over. This is a QB driven league and while Cousins is usually durable and reliable he is only getting older and will be coming off a major injury. And it isn't like he is Tom Brady or anything he doesn't have the track record to pretend he is the answer going forward.
The purpose of playing Hall was because Mullins and Josh Dobbs were known commodities that did exactly what we thought they would...played pretty mediocre all things considered. That is why they are backups. Hall is all upside, he may not look great but the idea is to see if there is potential or not. There was none for Dobbs or Mullins. Yes Dobbs had 2 good games but then he went right back to the mediocre QB he was in Arizona. As expected.
In your scenario it is even more important they draft a QB and early. If you want a QB to be ready when Cousins is done you need him on the team sooner rather than later. And drafting a project is just malpractice at this point.
Draft a serious potential starting QB and let him sit behind cousins for 2 years.
That’s what Green Bay did with both Rogers and Love. They were both ready to go when their predecessors left for greener pastures.
The problem is that a 1st round pick (depending upon how things play out) could be a stretch pick if they force using it on a QB. They absolutely need one and the org has ignored drafting QB for far too long, but this unfortunately may not be the best year for it.
It's not about what Dobbs/Mullins are or aren't it's that Hall wasn't ready to be the starter. Playing a QB before he is ready helps nothing. They are trying to develop him and build his confidence not hurt it.
I agree drafting a QB who can replace Cousins in two years is ideal but what I don't want them to do is to over draft a QB just because we think we need one. This is why I am totally cool going defense in the 1st round. I would be tempted to take Daniels at 11 if he is available but I don't think he will be. I believe there is a good chance they take a QB in the first three rounds and they may trade up or down to draft a QB at the right value but if things don't work out this draft it isn't the end of the world. It just means they likely take a QB early in the draft next year.
This is all based on resigning Cousins for 2 years if they resign him for 3 years than in some ways picking a QB in the first three rounds this season would be unusually unless the third year is not guaranteed.
The problem is that a 1st round pick (depending upon how things play out) could be a stretch pick if they force using it on a QB. They absolutely need one and the org has ignored drafting QB for far too long, but this unfortunately may not be the best year for it.
This is gonna be the best QB draft in years. They might be able to sit at 11 depending on who they like. If they get Penix or Daniel’s and resign Cousins for 1 year they’ll be redeemed for not seriously address the position for years.
All of these players are names that a position of need. We will see.
Caleb Williams
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels
JJ McCarthy
Michael Penix Jr.
Jared Verse
Laiatu Latu
Jer’Zhan Newton
Chop Robinson
Kool-Aid McKinstry
Dallas Turner
And this is why I think there is a good chance they end up with a QB they like with a pick that isn't pick 11 depending on how many QBs get picked in the top 10.
Although, if you resign Cousins for two years (which I think is the most likely since I doubt Kirk is looking to sign for one year and will likely get at least a two year deal from somebody while the Vikings may not want to give him 3 years guaranteed) that the best timing for drafting a QB will be next year so he is only sitting for one year of his rookie deal rather than two years. Yes there might not be as many high drafted QBs next year (that's yet to be determined) but with a lot of teams taking QBs this season there could be less teams looking for a QB next season and therefore less competition for the guy you like. Who knows how many of the 6 mentioned above Kwesi and KOC feel is a good fit for the Vikings offense?
I suspect Kwesi focuses a lot on best available more then forcing a need which also plays into the willingness to trade to try to take certain guys where he values them.
The most popular rumor is Kirk to ATL and MN gets Penix.
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So far this regime has valued flash over substance in the draft. Most picks are outside players. I'm guessing they will do the same coming up. Probably a CB or QB. I wouldn't mind a DT like the Illinois guy if he's around, but it seems they just don't value the lines as high.
How about this stat. When Vikes won the turnover battle this year 6-0. When losing the battle 1-10.
Kwesi and KOC realized that with Adam Thielen and Davin Cook getting old they needed new play makers on offence to run the offense KOC wants to run. Hence the trading a 2nd round pick for Hockenson and taking Addison in the 1st round. Other than how those two picks were used a lot of picks were used on defense in the first two drafts but it hasn't really been the D-Line.
I suspect this draft will include more line man. We frequently rushed 3 or 5+ this season which is partly the style of defense Flores likes to run but we didn't have a lot of success getting to the QB rushing the normal 4 so it became alternating blitzing with only rushing 3/going full coverage. Whether Hunter resigns with the Vikings or not they will certainly look to improve the D line.
Since you only have so many picks we will come out of the draft with some areas we wish would could have addressed more but overall the team has a lot of good pieces to built on and I am looking forward to next season.
And this is why I think there is a good chance they end up with a QB they like with a pick that isn't pick 11 depending on how many QBs get picked in the top 10.
Although, if you resign Cousins for two years (which I think is the most likely since I doubt Kirk is looking to sign for one year and will likely get at least a two year deal from somebody while the Vikings may not want to give him 3 years guaranteed) that the best timing for drafting a QB will be next year so he is only sitting for one year of his rookie deal rather than two years. Yes there might not be as many high drafted QBs next year (that's yet to be determined) but with a lot of teams taking QBs this season there could be less teams looking for a QB next season and therefore less competition for the guy you like. Who knows how many of the 6 mentioned above Kwesi and KOC feel is a good fit for the Vikings offense?
I suspect Kwesi focuses a lot on best available more then forcing a need which also plays into the willingness to trade to try to take certain guys where he values them.
Don't get me wrong, I have no desire for them to reach. If the guy they like isn't there don't draft a QB just to draft one. (yeah the fans will whine...until they don't) It should be their priority though because otherwise they are risking their jobs going away when Kirk is gone. This year showed how important a QB is. If Cousins doesn't get hurt the Vikes are easily in the playoffs and GB is at home.
The other problem is, if they decide to wait then they have to resign themselves to sucking next year to put themselves in the best position to get a QB...or sign someone next year who can play long term which defeats the purpose of signing Cousins. Now personally I am fine with sucking if it is to build for the future but I don't think that will go over well with the fans or the Wilfs. Not a good spot for a young GM and coach who don't have the clout.
If I was GM (and thank Satan I am not!) I would sign Cousins despite my reservations, I would do my best to draft a QB at 11 and then get to work on maxing out our cap space to sign some people. There is going to be some very tough conversations coming up but I don't doubt they will make the right moves on aging players who are making too much money. (Harrison Smith please pick up the White Courtesy Phone) They need Dline for sure, a CB, probably an Oline...not to mention they have to work on resigning some people. (part of the reason I am wishy washy on signing Cousins for $30 million) They are going to be busy...