This is so weird. Trying to figure out how this ties into trying to sell the team. Doesn’t seem like trading away 40% of the roster makes the team more attractive to a potential buyer. But maybe I’m missing something.
This is so weird. Trying to figure out how this ties into trying to sell the team. Doesn’t seem like trading away 40% of the roster makes the team more attractive to a potential buyer. But maybe I’m missing something.
low payroll means no obligations as you start, can put in gm you want, make team what you want. You wouldn’t want to buy a team full of old guys on long contracts who suck then be responsible to pay them a buyout or an ongoing salary
@upnorthkid I guess. But wouldn’t you want the new people making the decisions on trading some of these guys that were still under team control? Still seems strange to me.
@upnorthkid I guess. But wouldn’t you want the new people making the decisions on trading some of these guys that were still under team control? Still seems strange to me.
would assume the theory is more you want them to purge whatever and you’re fine with the fallout.
It was more important for the pohlads to put 22 or 26 million in their coin purse today than care about their fan base. It’s really what it boils down to. Just a heartless sell off imo.
When the twins traded viola to the Mets in “88 I was bummed out about it but at least there was a decent amount of hope for what they got for him. I can’t remember the deal off hand but tapanni was part of it and the others played a big role in “91. This looks and sounds nothing like that except the bummed out part. Time to move on and look forward to gopher hockey!
When the twins traded viola to the Mets in “88 I was bummed out about it but at least there was a decent amount of hope for what they got for him. I can’t remember the deal off hand but tapanni was part of it and the others played a big role in “91. This looks and sounds nothing like that except the bummed out part. Time to move on and look forward to gopher hockey!
They let Correa go, and are paying $33MM, for a career Single A guy. I mean....
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
When the twins traded viola to the Mets in “88 I was bummed out about it but at least there was a decent amount of hope for what they got for him. I can’t remember the deal off hand but tapanni was part of it and the others played a big role in “91. This looks and sounds nothing like that except the bummed out part. Time to move on and look forward to gopher hockey!
They let Correa go, and are paying $33MM, for a career Single A guy. I mean....
they’re gonna really suck for awhile, maybe a long while. Brother in law is the biggest twins fan I know, he might have some insight on this sell off and who they got out of it and shed something for a ray of hope but it doesn’t look good.
A buddy (big baseball geek) said, "The Twins will be garbage for at least five years."
I had to correct him: "They will be garbage for at least five years AFTER they sell the team."
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Terrible team, terrible town, terrible fans, terrible ownership.
What a total clown show.
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One theory is that the MLB contract with players ends at the end of next season and there is serious talk of a lockout.@upnorthkid I guess. But wouldn’t you want the new people making the decisions on trading some of these guys that were still under team control? Still seems strange to me.
Terrible team, terrible town, terrible fans, terrible ownership.
What a total clown show.
I like the town and most of the fans.
There’s possibly merit to this theory….since it’s always all about the 💵 for those ass clown (Pohlad) owners!One theory is that the MLB contract with players ends at the end of next season and there is serious talk of a lockout.@upnorthkid I guess. But wouldn’t you want the new people making the decisions on trading some of these guys that were still under team control? Still seems strange to me.
Reading an Athletic article on the Correa trade. Correa will play 3B in Houston. He was quoted as saying he has been asking the Twins to play 3B for the last two years, but it didn't align with how they were constructed. Someone tell Correa that Royce Lewis was also a SS when he came up 3 years ago, but had to play CF (where he tore his ACL) and 3B because Correa wouldn't move. It sounds like Correa was giddy at the chance to jump ship as soon as the opportunity arose. I can't blame him, but he has to recognize he was a part of the problem.
Don't the Twins have what is considered a fairly strong farm system as of the moment?
Don't the Twins have what is considered a fairly strong farm system as of the moment?
i believe they do, now with the other farm system they inherited the last 2 days if they ever decide they wanna win and spend money in free agency they have prospects to bargain with but they’re obviously building from the ground up and need an owner who wants to bring it. Hope for the best, expect the worst, if I know the twins they’re gonna play development ball now for a few years.
One Major League roster spot still available.
Don't the Twins have what is considered a fairly strong farm system as of the moment?
Prospects are the hope that keeps on giving. When Correa originally signed it was “wait til the prospects show up” and now look at them. The Wilds have gone through that same thing. It’s great to have a good farm system, but they need results from it.
Don't the Twins have what is considered a fairly strong farm system as of the moment?
Prospects are the hope that keeps on giving. When Correa originally signed it was “wait til the prospects show up” and now look at them. The Wilds have gone through that same thing. It’s great to have a good farm system, but they need results from it.
My point was that if it is true it would be an attractive component to potential buyers, who might in turn finally do more with it than the current braintrust has.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Twins were up 5-2 in the ninth and... Twins win 5-4 breaking a 14 game streak of losing by 1 run against Cleveland. They somehow got Ramirez to pop out to end the game.
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Welp, Twins lose ag--
Wait, they won? I'll be damned. 😉
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
This is so weird. Trying to figure out how this ties into trying to sell the team. Doesn’t seem like trading away 40% of the roster makes the team more attractive to a potential buyer. But maybe I’m missing something.
It is because of the nearly half billion in debt that the Pohlad Family carries on the Twins' ledger which isn't from the creation of the baseball operation.
The Correa salary dump was to effectively pull money out of the Twins org to pay non-baseball created debt.
The Pohlad's are looking to sell to get an infusion of $ to clean up their balance sheet from their other investments and businesses. They have been willing to tank the Twins for years to manage their underperforming businesses.
Surprised this isn't discussed more often.
These guys are absolute clowns.
The Twins win back to back games against Detroit outscoring them 15-7 (6-3 and 9-4) winning the series at the first place Tigers who have the second best record in the AL.
Why didn't the Twins trade the 10 major leaguers earlier? They were clearly holding the team back. 😉
Cool listening to Ryan Lefebvre on the Roku broadcast on the Twins/Royals today. I remember when he was a reporter for FSN(MSC) for the Gophers hockey broadcasts and was passed to top the student section body surf style. Before that, he was an all B1G outfielder for the Gophers in the early 90's.
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The attendance for the Kansas City Royals vs. Minnesota Twins game on August 9, 2025, at Target Field was 22,539. I’d be very curious to know what actual butts in the seats & standing on the party deck was today? Like about 16k? I mean, these inept owners have pretty much done everything in the tool bag to alienate fans the past 16 + months. And I have no idea why it’s highlighted yellow, something related to when I cut/paste the attendance info😅
The attendance for the Kansas City Royals vs. Minnesota Twins game on August 9, 2025, at Target Field was 22,539. I’d be very curious to know what actual butts in the seats & standing on the party deck was today? Like about 16k? I mean, these inept owners have pretty much done everything in the tool bag to alienate fans the past 16 + months. And I have no idea why it’s highlighted yellow! 😅
I don't think there is much of an argument that the Pohlad's have out stayed their welcome as owners. But, it is not a sin to still root for the players on this team. There are a bunch of roster fillers, but there are a handful of potential stars on this team. I actually find it fun to watch the team now, and close my eyes when the no name bullpen comes out there to try to save the game. I'm not going to watch every game, but if nothing else is on, I will probably watch them since I have DirecTV and it is included in my package. I kind of relate this to the Gophers Hockey team. I will always support the players on the team no matter what their record is, who the coach is or what conference or teams they play.
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The trade deadline sell-off was two things: A straight up salary dump to clear the books (literally what they did for Correa - paid him $30 million to get the rest of his 120 million off the books) and moves to rebuild knowing that the Pohlads were too cheap to invest in players in FA and some of the prospects we were counting on have thus far underperformed (Lewis, Lee, Wallner).
It is clear from who they targeted in the returns for trading off the big pieces (Jax, Duran, and Varland to a lesser extent) that they wanted to find a mix of guys who are close to, if not already, MLB ready like Bradley and Abel to come in and potentially join the rotation next season, and some mid-level prospects that they think they can develop. A source I trust was rather surprised by the amount of value they got from Willi Castro - he said Gallagher alone for Castro was probably overpaying for Castro, let alone throwing in another halfway decent prospect.
It sucks as a fan to see the entire bullpen get dismantled but realistically speaking if the team isn't likely to compete for the division/the playoffs over the next couple seasons it doesn't make a lot of sense to hang on to high powered arms when you can bolster an already very strong farm system while you rebuild the roster. With the Twins track record recently of converting failed SPs into high leverage flamethrowers in the bullpen I have no problem with them moving Varland, Jax, or Duran for more guys who can be converted to flamethrowers in the bullpen if they fail as SPs. Jax and Varland were both SPs when they joined the big league club but couldn't stick, went to the bullpen and worked with the pitching development team to juice up their velo and start throwing in the high 90s with wipeout breaking stuff and all of a sudden they were part of one of the best bullpens in the league and had legitimate trade value.
Worst case scenario, IMO, Bradley/Abel/Rojas follow a similar path and are back end of the bullpen guys in a couple years when the team is ready to compete again. Best case scenario, Bradley, Abel, and Rojas capitalize on coming to a team that has done a really nice job developing pitchers recently (Joe Ryan, Ober, SWR, Zebby Matthews, David Festa) and find another gear to become quality SPs in the big leagues. More than likely, we'll see 1 stick as a SP and the other two convert to bullpen roles.
I was a fan of Correa here and his defense was largely fantastic while he was here but offensively his numbers dropped dramatically and if he wanted out I have no problem showing him the door either. The Twins over the last handful of years have done a great job drafting and developing strong middle infielder types to replace Correa. Kaelen Culpepper, for example, has been absolutely tearing it up in the minor leagues for most of the last two years and could be well on his way to making the roster at some point in 2026. Brooks Lee is already on the major league roster and Luke Keaschall is as well (he was drafted as a college shortstop, though I think long term sticks at 2B or outfield).
The fact of the matter really seems to be that the Pohlads suck ass (we knew this a long time ago) so we weren't going to get a difference making FA to come fill a hole in the lineup. We were counting on the young guys like Wallner, Lewis, Lee, and Larnach to take the next step up in their development. And so far, basically outside of Larnach, everyone has taken a step backwards (in some cases a huge step backwards). That will happen with young players, but having it happen to all 3 of them in the same season made this a really tough season to stay competitive, especially with the injury to Pablo and then Ober and Paddack falling off a cliff in June/July performance-wise. With the Pohlads being the cheapskates they are, they saw the team struggling and took the opportunity to sell off not just their rentals like Bader, Couloumbe, and Castro but also guys under team control that were due for a raise like Duran, Jax, and Varland. Along with literally paying to get Correa off the books.
At least the new-look club has been playing pretty good ball and Luke Keaschall alone is worth the watch for the team. He looks like he's going to be a hell of a player and I can see him becoming a fan favorite sooner than later.
Wallner .218 batting average, .325 on base %, .496 slugging %, .821 OPS (on base + slugging)
Larnach .243 batting average, .316 on base %, .408 slugging %, .724 OPS (on base + slugging)
Waller is hitting a lot better than Larnach.
The higher .025 batting average is one hit ever 40 at bats which isn't much when considering Wallner walks more (hence the higher on base %) and is slugging almost a hundred points higher. Wallner is a hundred points higher than the league average OPS.
I agree with everything else you said. Great summary.
Keaschall is a silver lining in the cloud that’s a prime example of why the game is a great game and still a fun watch. Being a fan of his game is so easy. Love it!
Wallner .218 batting average, .325 on base %, .496 slugging %, .821 OPS (on base + slugging)
Larnach .243 batting average, .316 on base %, .408 slugging %, .724 OPS (on base + slugging)
Waller is hitting a lot better than Larnach.
The higher .025 batting average is one hit ever 40 at bats which isn't much when considering Wallner walks more (hence the higher on base %) and is slugging almost a hundred points higher. Wallner is a hundred points higher than the league average OPS.
I agree with everything else you said. Great summary.
I was basing my comparisons on their relative performance prior to this season not against each other (granted it's small sample size for both, Wallner in particular). Wallner's BA is down 22pts, OBP is down 30pts and OPS+ is down 11pts (though his slugging is almost identical). Larnach's average is slightly higher (5 points), OBP is down 5pts, slugging is up 4pts, OPS and OPS+ basically right in line with his career average, though his numbers vs RHP are significantly better this year than his career numbers he's also being used against LHP more this year than ever before and has not always had great luck against them (.176/.235/.257) where his slash line vs RHP is .259/.335/.445.
Stop giving up home runs. Geez.
I see their annual trip to the fetal position vs the Yankmees is in full swing. The consistency must be comforting.
I see their annual trip to the fetal position vs the Yankmees is in full swing. The consistency must be comforting.
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The Twins have to be dead last in baseball for batting average w/RISP and 1 out or less since such records were kept. Especially with the bases loaded.
The Twins are 14th out of the 30 teams with a team batting average of .252 with runners in scoring position which is better than their overall team batting average which is .241
The Twins do have the worst batting average with the bases loaded at .173 (14 hits in 81 at bats).
Pohlads announce that they are not going to sell the team. 🤬
Given the goodwill and community support the Pohlad family has built up over the past several months I can understand why they decided to continue owning the team.
/sarcasm 🤐
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They must be trying to completely tank them and move.
If you go back to whenever the BS started about them selling the team I am pretty sure I said that was never going to happen. I never bought it for a second...
They way they phrased it from the beginning was that they would look into it. How passive is that?If you go back to whenever the BS started about them selling the team I am pretty sure I said that was never going to happen. I never bought it for a second...
If they wanted to sell the team, just say you'll look at all serious offers and if no respectable offers are presented, say so. But they don't want to sell and never have. The problem is they also don't want to be owners. They want the title and the cash, but if they cared about the club they wouldn't sell everything that isn't nailed down. And the Twins fans will continue to suffer through a second generation of cheap asses.
I actually never minded when the Wolves were terrible because there are other winter sports, but the Twins are the only sports around during the summer so it's all the more depressing. I haven't watched more than 2-3 innings at a time this year and won't go to any home games, unless the tickets are free.