My question is how NIL works for future recruits. How does Bob know how much NIL money he will have when a recruit hits campus in 2 or 3 years? Or, are the players we are recruiting not worried about that and the fact they are playing for a premier program out weighs the recruits NIL concerns?
i would assume they have them meet with someone, discuss components of NIL here, deals they've seen their athletes sign, what they get access to. I'd guess its much less about dollars per se (given how far out they're committing and that the amounts are so much less comparatively), but about presenting the package you'll get on signing including scholarship, revenue sharing, listing of DTA deals/NIL opportunities. Little different if you're pulling out of the CHL for someone who's coming down right away or in the portal. Haven't seen any big amounts thrown around about 16 year olds who are going to play 1-2 more years before coming to campus.
So when it comes to offering scholarships, how does it work?
For recruits that have interest in the U:
Would Bob extend multiple offers for 5 people and allude to the fact that he's anticipating 3 spots available, or is he literally going down the line:
Choice 1 says no, move to Choice 2, Choice 2 says no, move to Choice 3.
I realize the actual process is a little more nuanced than that in either approach, but I'm curious how the balance is struck so you don't miss out on all the top recruits waiting for your number 1 to decide.
lot more offers at once. then you circle back to your top guys as guys start committing and fill them in on space. there are certain guys you'll "make space" for no matter when they want to commit and others that you'll tell them the offer is no longer commitable. But i would very much doubt Bob offers anyone at any point he wouldn't be comfortable with them committing on the spot. Envision a lot of these coaches have some good headwinds on what kids are thinking well prior to 8/1 rolling around so its not like they're just entering a crap shoot. And if you bring in extra high end guys, they all know this is a business and you also have the advantage of guys can play juniors or stop gap you some extra years if they don't develop. Adds some challenge but I also won't be surprised to see more coaches use the numerous areas guys can play now more to their advantage (like we are doing with Phillips and Kvasnicka this year)
tbh i don't really think we recruit the type of guys in early august you're going to worry about "overcommitting".
My question is how NIL works for future recruits. How does Bob know how much NIL money he will have when a recruit hits campus in 2 or 3 years? Or, are the players we are recruiting not worried about that and the fact they are playing for a premier program out weighs the recruits NIL concerns?
i would assume they have them meet with someone, discuss components of NIL here, deals they've seen their athletes sign, what they get access to. I'd guess its much less about dollars per se (given how far out they're committing and that the amounts are so much less comparatively), but about presenting the package you'll get on signing including scholarship, revenue sharing, listing of DTA deals/NIL opportunities. Little different if you're pulling out of the CHL for someone who's coming down right away or in the portal. Haven't seen any big amounts thrown around about 16 year olds who are going to play 1-2 more years before coming to campus.
This is the most well-thought out, reasonable estimation of the process that I’ve seen. I’m not an insider, but I am a corporate attorney, have seen lots of similar moves undertaken in structuring a deal and figuring out who should fill what role when executing a given transaction under XYZ laws and rules.
To nitpick, the offer package itself is probably less “here’s what we at [insert school] can promise you”, and more “here’s the 3 most lucrative NIL deals among current players; here’s the % of athletes with NIL deals across the entire athletics dept; here’s the median deal $, mean deal $, a direct comparable for you, and these are our major donors.”
People all across college sports really need to keep in mind that NIL =/= pay-to-play, even if it seems like both models have the same end result. Sadly the media gets a lot of traction and clicks by obfuscating how NIL deals actually work.
Any well-run athletics department that has NCAA compliance on their minds, in good faith, is mostly going to be acting as a facilitator. The school’s role is to connect donors with athletes’ “family advisors” and maybe articulate to donors what the AD’s priorities are, so as to shepherd NIL $ towards this or that sport, project, etc. All done with a very light touch.
Also, you can safely disregard the rumor mill as far as NIL deal amounts go. It’s a black box, none of the numbers will ever be truly verifiable, and everyone involved has a vested interest in inflating how much NIL money is in play. Small schools want to push their narrative about NIL. Big schools want the recruits to think ADs are throwing fat stacks of cash around. The athletes want to set their own prices as high as possible. Media personalities want to stir the pot.
P.S. Been meaning to catch up on the recent GPL w/ skiumahlaw. It would be quite funny if it turned out that we’ve worked together as co-counsel or as counterparties in the past.
The point is, nobody has the foggiest clue who is next in line? If they’d of won the NC in 2023 they cud afford to let tBob be Red Berenson. Unfortunately that isn’t the case.Huh, who’s ire is being drawn? lol, I don’t think they’ll take much of a step back in 25-26, but conversely, it’s a legitimate concern when many of these new recruits will be playing for a different HC before their careers at the U conclude (with no successor in clear sight).Neither observation at face value drew anyone's ire.
How far out do you want them to name a successor?? Is there supposed to be one in clear sight with 3 years left on Bob’s contract?
it will be the same names thrown around.
raboin, potulny, ferschweiler and
I am terrified at the idea of Potulny as the heir apparent to tBob. Northern Michigan has completely imploded under Potulny, who then washed his hands of it and ran away to the AHL.
For starters they imploded after he left. NM was actually pretty consistent under Grant. Idk what expectations Northern has but Grant hung around the 20 win mark pretty consistently there which is decent. Didn’t he have the #1 recruiting class in the country when he left too?
Also I don’t think he’d be #1 on the list he’d just be the best alumni option.
1) Barr
2) Potulny
3) Raboin
That’d be my shortlist.
(1) NMU imploded with Potulny still at the helm.
(a) He didn’t leave for Hartford until well into last summer, long after all his players had entered the portal. There’s a few soundbites and comments he gave to media about the whole thing, as then-head coach of NMU.
(b) “#1 recruiting class” is meaningless. Those clickbait blog rankings are largely based on how many players are coming in, not how good those players are. The methodology used in those rankings basically amounts to “15x 2-star recruits = 6x 5-star recruits”, any puck knower can see how absurd that is. He lost a lot, was replacing a ton, then dipped out and washed his hands of it all.
I mean, look at NMU’s record this past season, does that seem like the kind of record a “#1 recruiting class” would earn?
Good points. Grant wouldn’t be my first option but he’ll definitely get an interview. I feel he could recruit pretty well but after that idk.