Was the FB game page that bad? Maybe I skimmed it too quickly or I have the wrong group, in this case Gopher Hockey Rubes.
If you guys are talking about the official page, yeah the comments are not great. I try to help people who genuinely are looking for the right TV channel every now and then, but given the amount of whining and venting about TV, even that can test my patience and I used to work retail in college.
As far as the shootout, I honestly would rather lose them in almost all circumstances since a tie should feel like a loss in most cases. Now don't get me wrong; in the moment they can be entertaining, but 'entertaining' is the key word there. Maybe if we really needed the extra point or were in a regular season tournament or something like that would I want to win a shootout, but other than that, there's not much of an up side to them and they're irrelevant once the postseason begins as others have noted.
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The morons are out in full force on the Gopher Hockey Facebook page. I know some of us rip other teams fan bases, but we have a "special" group as well...
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, I would hate to be the person who runs the social media for Gopher hockey. The comments you would have to deal with, especially on Facebook, would be so incredibly stupid, misinformed, and at times straight up disrespectful that it would probably start to get emotionally tiresome.
Not a fan of the shoot out. Never made sense to me how 33% of a games value could come from <10% of the duration, and even less if you do it based on total ice time of players.
Play 3x3 until there is a winner.
They can also just leave it as a tie. I agree a shootout is the dumbest way to end a game. Imagine ending a baseball game with a home run derby.
Coach in the post game said when they do shoot out competitions in practice Thomas is usually in the finals but Bonin who is never at practice clearly knows better. ?
Sounds like some soccer parents I had a few years ago. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, we evaluate that (PKs) in practice?
They can also just leave it as a tie.
This
It's acceptable to have 2 teams play to a tie and then call it a night after 5 min of OT.
As far as the shootout, I honestly would rather lose them in almost all circumstances since a tie should feel like a loss in most cases. Now don't get me wrong; in the moment they can be entertaining, but 'entertaining' is the key word there. Maybe if we really needed the extra point or were in a regular season tournament or something like that would I want to win a shootout, but other than that, there's not much of an up side to them and they're irrelevant once the postseason begins as others have noted.
I read this 4 times and I still don't get it. Especially the first sentence.
As others have said, F the shootout.
The morons are out in full force on the Gopher Hockey Facebook page. I know some of us rip other teams fan bases, but we have a "special" group as well...
You just cannot read that page... It is brutal.
For the most part, any "groups" on FB are outstandingly mind-numbing.
you guys think that's bad, you should see the Nextdoor threads about the gophers.
We have shootouts because Real Red-Blooded Americans think the word 'tie' sounds like nails on a chalkboard.
Was the FB game page that bad? Maybe I skimmed it too quickly or I have the wrong group, in this case Gopher Hockey Rubes.
It is the Minnesota Mens Hockey Facebook page with the game recaps or stories. A few acted like the Gophers got swept this weekend and Bob can't coach.
The Gopher Hockey Rubes page is sometimes a mess as well. The guy who runs it HATES Jess Myers, and does a lot of Jess bashing. He also just copies photos and stories without giving credit or a link to where he got them from a lot of the time. They do threaten to ban people if they are overly negative though, which is a plus.
I wish I had the power to stay off Facebook and twitter, but my thirst for info on hockey and sports always draws me back. As someone else mentioned, those websites are a cesspool most of the time.
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
How on earth could someone hate Jess Myers??
I know... For me he is frustrating because of the questions he asks Bob and I shake my head at those. Definitely not my preferred style of interviewing. Did you know he is from Warroad? I do have to give Jess credit for breaking the Huglen news this week and he will break news now and again. I just wish there was more. He used to live stream the mid week coaches pressers, but have not seen those this year. I look at Schlossman as the top of the college hockey writers and wish Jess would/could dig in more like he does. I am grateful that we have him since the 2 papers in the Cities really don't cover the Gophers much, just crave more.
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
Can we all just agree that we got a tie and lost in a shootout because Rube didn't show up in chat?
Can we all just agree that we got a tie and lost in a shootout because Rube didn't show up in chat?
I accept that burden. 🙁
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
The morons are out in full force on the Gopher Hockey Facebook page. I know some of us rip other teams fan bases, but we have a "special" group as well...
You just cannot read that page... It is brutal.
For the most part, any "groups" on FB are outstandingly mind-numbing.
you guys think that's bad, you should see the Nextdoor threads about the gophers.
You’d think the main Gopher Hockey FB page would just turn the comments off to dissuade the trolls and morons.
My life is so much less stressful than many I believe, by not being on social media. GPL is all I participate in. Who needs all the negativity and misinformation in their lives!
I so appreciate that there are rules, and practical people moderating this forum.
Thanks too to those of you who share the important tidbits from stalking other social media accounts for those of us that can’t. 😉
I feel that. I 100% realize the shootout is for a point and in the big picture it isn't that important. But... it is still a point in the BIG10 and we can't really be OK just giving those away. Last night was a good effort and close, AND I realize that isn't a common scenario to worry about. Seems like we are just a little skewed the wrong way there. We have a good goalie and tons of skill players. Shrug. On the other note I too am feeling pretty OK with the weekend. Got outplayed (badly at times), had a hard time holding possession in the O zone, and turned the puck over many times in the neutral or even our own end. Forecheck needs to be consistently harder and we need to stop the BEHIND THE BACK NO LOOK puck movement ( who was wondering why #77 was not getting his shifts?). I might be wrong but seems like an issue. Also how and I repeat HOW was Nazur open ALL the time on the dot. Ugh. Work to do this week even with a gutsy performance this weekend.
I started to make a post like this. But looking at Jup's shootout stats, we have an average of 1 shootout a year. 1 point could certainly make a difference, but it's not worth fretting about it. (Although, doing a short shootout game at the end of a practice once a week could be fun for the players)I feel that. I 100% realize the shootout is for a point and in the big picture it isn't that important. But... it is still a point in the BIG10 and we can't really be OK just giving those away.
The morons are out in full force on the Gopher Hockey Facebook page. I know some of us rip other teams fan bases, but we have a "special" group as well...
You just cannot read that page... It is brutal.
For the most part, any "groups" on FB are outstandingly mind-numbing.
you guys think that's bad, you should see the Nextdoor threads about the gophers.
You’d think the main Gopher Hockey FB page would just turn the comments off to dissuade the trolls and morons.
My life is so much less stressful than many I believe, by not being on social media. GPL is all I participate in. Who needs all the negativity and misinformation in their lives!
I so appreciate that there are rules, and practical people moderating this forum.
Thanks too to those of you who share the important tidbits from stalking other social media accounts for those of us that can’t. 😉
If you’re on Facebook at all, ever, you deserve what you get. I don’t understand why people waste their time with that. It’s all misinformation and negative Boomer energy.
They can also just leave it as a tie. I agree a shootout is the dumbest way to end a game. Imagine ending a baseball game with a home run derby.
As opposed to randomly putting someone on second base? The baseball equivalent of 3x3 which is annoying.
Ties are fine after 5 minutes of 5x5...the problem was some teams played just to tie and it made hockey ugly (**cough**Wisconsin **cough) to watch. I would rather have that though.
The only time I'm good with the shootout is a mid-season tournament (Mariucci Classic, for example) where on the first day, you need to figure out who plays who the next night, and don't want to go to unlimited OTs like in the playoffs.
Other than that, I hate the shootout. I hate the random person on 2nd base in Baseball too. What's next, a free-throw contest in basketball after the 1st OT?
After 5 minutes OT (5x5 preferred, but if they insist on 3x3, so be it) just call it a tie and move on.
Also: when did it become legal to come to a stop in the shootout? The one goal left in... the player kept the puck inching forward, but basically stopped and tossed the puck back and forth on his stick til he found the opening he was looking for.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
The only time I'm good with the shootout is a mid-season tournament (Mariucci Classic, for example) where on the first day, you need to figure out who plays who the next night, and don't want to go to unlimited OTs like in the playoffs.
Other than that, I hate the shootout. I hate the random person on 2nd base in Baseball too. What's next, a free-throw contest in basketball after the 1st OT?
After 5 minutes OT (5x5 preferred, but if they insist on 3x3, so be it) just call it a tie and move on.
Also: when did it become legal to come to a stop in the shootout? The one goal left in... the player kept the puck inching forward, but basically stopped and tossed the puck back and forth on his stick til he found the opening he was looking for.
was wondering the same thing about the stop.
As far as the shootout, I honestly would rather lose them in almost all circumstances since a tie should feel like a loss in most cases. Now don't get me wrong; in the moment they can be entertaining, but 'entertaining' is the key word there. Maybe if we really needed the extra point or were in a regular season tournament or something like that would I want to win a shootout, but other than that, there's not much of an up side to them and they're irrelevant once the postseason begins as others have noted.
I read this 4 times and I still don't get it. Especially the first sentence.
In so many words, ties should feel like losses (i.e. you didn't play well enough to win).
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Sooo. Well enough to win? That is a pretty floating scale. We played well enough to win both UMD games, second WI game and without being pretty, both MI games. If playing well enough to win was the way things went sports would be VERY different. You have to be able to win when you DIDN'T play well and finish when you DID. This team maybe doesn't have the flash that last season did but do not count them out. Most teams would take every player we have in a heartbeat. I think they are finding their way to being a top 5 team. Might take longer than people want but I will be surprised if we are not there at the end. Be a pessimist if you want, but I chose hope. Minnesota curse I know 
Sooo. Well enough to win? That is a pretty floating scale. We played well enough to win both UMD games, second WI game and without being pretty, both MI games. If playing well enough to win was the way things went sports would be VERY different. You have to be able to win when you DIDN'T play well and finish when you DID. This team maybe doesn't have the flash that last season did but do not count them out. Most teams would take every player we have in a heartbeat. I think they are finding their way to being a top 5 team. Might take longer than people want but I will be surprised if we are not there at the end. Be a pessimist if you want, but I chose hope. Minnesota curse I know
Honestly that's why I wrote out the long and apparently confusing insomniac paragraph to begin with since I didn't want to sound more surly about it that I actually was because I was just discussing the shootout. We're at the point of the season where we should be focused on getting better than we were yesterday, so if skate to a tie, I'd rather we not get rewarded with a feel-good shootout win. Had we "stolen" another game like we did Friday, that would be another story, but as far as going to the shootout, it should feel like we didn't win so we can take it as a cue that we need to improve at least one aspect of our game.
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Um, BS.
I'm sure the Goohers wouldn't feel too undeserving or embarrassed about taking that extra point according to the rules.
Taking MI to OT and then to a shootout after they were getting ready to take the win I would say is an outright accomplishment, especially after winning the night before.
These two game were grinders, which is a little uncharacteristic of this series. Minnesota didnt play great, but it was MI that coughed up a late lead twice in two nights on their home ice. I doubt they're suffering much guilt for taking a shootout point.
I would agree that awarding a point for a shootout is too much equity for such a silly spectacle, but a point is a point, so take it.
AFAIK, the point means NOTHING in the PWR. That's all I care about.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
AFAIK, the point means NOTHING in the PWR. That's all I care about.
That's a valid point, but I also want to see my team win the league title. That's a nice accomplishment after a long season.
If you're saying you only care about PWR you're saying you don't care whatsoever about regular season titles which is weird.
I'd say a regular season title is about equal to a first round win, but it's still something.
If you're saying you only care about PWR you're saying you don't care whatsoever about regular season titles which is weird.
I'd say a regular season title is about equal to a first round win, but it's still something.
It's still SOMEthing, but many schools can hang those banners. I want the chip. Only one school can hang that banner, you know?
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Basically you meant you care very little. Rather than not at all. But that's fair.
The point isn't worthless, but it's also not something that needs to be over-thought. Conference hardware is nice, but I'd rather they work on the PP or PK which matters in every game rather than once or twice per season.
Basically you meant you care very little. Rather than not at all. But that's fair.
I don't care at all. For the school and some fans, those banners mean something. I. Don't. Care. Title or bust. Will I rip the team if a title doesn't happen? Depends on the year. *shrug* Will I stick with the team if that doesn't happen? Undoubtedly.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
There’s a reason he’s back for a 2nd year, he needs to develop other parts of his game. I think it’ll be fun to monitor his progress.Snuggerud has been very hit and miss this season. Needs to wake up.
My guess is that it’s better for “engagement” numbers to allow more comments even if there’s a lot of stupid ones. But I agree that’d be preferable. Gopher hockey rubes page actually did put a moratorium on negative comments for 48 hrs after the first Michigan game for that reason.The morons are out in full force on the Gopher Hockey Facebook page. I know some of us rip other teams fan bases, but we have a "special" group as well...
You just cannot read that page... It is brutal.
For the most part, any "groups" on FB are outstandingly mind-numbing.
you guys think that's bad, you should see the Nextdoor threads about the gophers.
You’d think the main Gopher Hockey FB page would just turn the comments off to dissuade the trolls and morons.
For whatever reason the team attracts a lot of trolls who either don’t understand that hockey is one of the most random sports in terms of outcomes, or they just like to spew hot takes. I think it comes with the territory of being the premier team in the state and maybe shows that some of the more casual fans are interested in the team again, it could be worse.
My suggestion on the shootout (as long as there is going to be a shootout) is to have an opposing player start from the far blueline. He starts from a standstill and begins chasing the shooter when the shooter makes contact with the puck. That way, the shooter should have no problem getting to the net before the chaser gets him, unless the shooter tries to dipsy around too much.was wondering the same thing about the stop.
Also: when did it become legal to come to a stop in the shootout? The one goal left in... the player kept the puck inching forward, but basically stopped and tossed the puck back and forth on his stick til he found the opening he was looking for.
I tried the Mens Hockey FB page and made 1 comment to someone arguing Hasting is already better than Motzko. That was enough.
btw I don't have the hatred towards FB that many seem to, but I completely stay away from any Nextdoor groups and my feed is generally only pages I follow - none of which are political in nature. In that regard I usually avoid complete nonsense.
My suggestion on the shootout (as long as there is going to be a shootout) is to have an opposing player start from the far blueline. He starts from a standstill and begins chasing the shooter when the shooter makes contact with the puck. That way, the shooter should have no problem getting to the net before the chaser gets him, unless the shooter tries to dipsy around too much.was wondering the same thing about the stop.
Also: when did it become legal to come to a stop in the shootout? The one goal left in... the player kept the puck inching forward, but basically stopped and tossed the puck back and forth on his stick til he found the opening he was looking for.
I'd rather they just keep playing the 3v3 if they feel the need to end the game (personally I'm just fine with the tie). About 2/3 at the NHL level end prior to the shootout. Just let it roll. They only play 2 games a week.
My guess is that it’s better for “engagement” numbers to allow more comments even if there’s a lot of stupid ones. But I agree that’d be preferable. Gopher hockey rubes page actually did put a moratorium on negative comments for 48 hrs after the first Michigan game for that reason.The morons are out in full force on the Gopher Hockey Facebook page. I know some of us rip other teams fan bases, but we have a "special" group as well...
You just cannot read that page... It is brutal.
For the most part, any "groups" on FB are outstandingly mind-numbing.
you guys think that's bad, you should see the Nextdoor threads about the gophers.
You’d think the main Gopher Hockey FB page would just turn the comments off to dissuade the trolls and morons.
For whatever reason the team attracts a lot of trolls who either don’t understand that hockey is one of the most random sports in terms of outcomes, or they just like to spew hot takes. I think it comes with the territory of being the premier team in the state and maybe shows that some of the more casual fans are interested in the team again, it could be worse.
The Minnesota fan base has its share of jackbags and dumb dumbs who don’t understand hockey. That said, I do think there are a ton of fans of other teams who pretend to be Gopher fans to troll. I used to read comments on the Strib articles and there were always trolls hiding in there.
I'd rather they just keep playing the 3v3 if they feel the need to end the game (personally I'm just fine with the tie). About 2/3 at the NHL level end prior to the shootout. Just let it roll. They only play 2 games a week.
Ditto. Far more entertaining and in the time it takes to set up & execute the shoot out nonsense teams could play an additional 3X3 period. Hell, if they want to use a worthless, arbitrary metric to determine who earns the extra point award it to the team with more OT shots.
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That's a good way to get your goalie blown up.My suggestion on the shootout (as long as there is going to be a shootout) is to have an opposing player start from the far blueline. He starts from a standstill and begins chasing the shooter when the shooter makes contact with the puck. That way, the shooter should have no problem getting to the net before the chaser gets him, unless the shooter tries to dipsy around too much.was wondering the same thing about the stop.
Also: when did it become legal to come to a stop in the shootout? The one goal left in... the player kept the puck inching forward, but basically stopped and tossed the puck back and forth on his stick til he found the opening he was looking for.
1 OT, don't care if it's 1, 2, 3, 5, or 25 skaters. Just end it there.
It's not hockey anymore.
@j22 That expecting the defenseman catching the shooter - not likely to hsppen.
@j22 I think the shooter would take his shot before the "chaser" catches up, eliminating the potential for contact.
you still have the fastest skater on your team skating 120 feet as fast as he can directly at his own goaltender.@j22 That expecting the defenseman catching the shooter - not likely to hsppen.
The shooter gets a 'running' start. The chaser starts 'flat-footed' It's not likely that the chaser will catch the shooter. Or, have the chaser start at the top of the circles in the opposite zone. Find the right spot for the chaser to start. The point is so that the shooter can't lollygag. (this idea was in response to the slow skating/stopping comments. It's not an endorsement of shootouts)
That's a good way to get your goalie blown up.My suggestion on the shootout (as long as there is going to be a shootout) is to have an opposing player start from the far blueline. He starts from a standstill and begins chasing the shooter when the shooter makes contact with the puck. That way, the shooter should have no problem getting to the net before the chaser gets him, unless the shooter tries to dipsy around too much.was wondering the same thing about the stop.
Also: when did it become legal to come to a stop in the shootout? The one goal left in... the player kept the puck inching forward, but basically stopped and tossed the puck back and forth on his stick til he found the opening he was looking for.
The USHL did it for one season while I was working that league. I don't recall a single instance of a goalie getting blown-up, nor any heavy collisions into the goal frame. Several hooks/trips leading to re-shoots, but not any heavy collisions.
The USHL decided not to continue it beyond that one season. While it did prevent the lollygaggers, it led to a high instance of goals needing to be reviewed from a who did what, what hit what first standpoint.
I would argue it was more a situation of "unintended consequences" than a safety concern.