This. A LOT of the return to office is about real estate, either having paid for office space that they can't stand to see go unused (even when unneeded), or the city pressuring them to get people in to the office to force them to go to local shops/restaurants through property taxes (cities gave tax breaks in the past, so they threaten to raise the property taxes if people aren't in the office)There is a pattern to companies announcing employees will move back to the office in the Twin Cities (General Mills, Target, 3M.....) own or have long term leases on a lot of space and it's just as expensive to maintain if empty and the market to sell is soft.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
if the job can be done from home, then "the workplace" is a waste of time, space, and money.So the workplace is suppose to adapt to the worker than the worker adapting to the job?!?!?!
Is that job being done just as efficient at home or in the office. I garuntee people cheat their employer more working remotely than in the office.
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if the job can be done from home, then "the workplace" is a waste of time, space, and money.So the workplace is suppose to adapt to the worker than the worker adapting to the job?!?!?!
Is that job being done just as efficient at home or in the office. I garuntee people cheat their employer more working remotely than in the office.
If you’re going to use words like “guarantee” you should provide some evidence.
Is that job being done just as efficient at home or in the office. I garuntee people cheat their employer more working remotely than in the office.
This is where you are wrong. I can get way more work done at home vs a cube at the office. So much noise and distraction in office. It sounds like you are/were in a job where it was never an option for you. You are clearly giving off the jealous vibes here Gator.
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While we had 2 local sites until the mid 2000s, I started working at the corporate level in 2013. My company has sites all over the world, although I only support US sites (based on UT, FL and NJ. Before they closed my site in Brooklyn Park I would go into the office and spend the entire day on video conferences speaking with people from those US sites and well as coworkers spread throughout Europe. There was absolutely no reason for me to be at the office. When they closed my Brooklyn Park site in 2017 I began working from home and it's been so much more beneficial to me, as well as my employer. I no longer have to commute. I can work much longer days as I can work right up until the time I have to take my kids to their sporting events or I have to start cooking dinner. Some day, when I'm very busy, I can work until 9 or 10 pm, but stop to drive a kid somewhere and go back home to work while they practice. If I see an important email on Sat morning, I can hop on the computer and deal with it then.
I get much more work done remotely than I would be able to if I worked in the office. I understand others take advantage of the situation, but it's been a big win for my employer and I wouldn't have it any other way as it works well for my lifestyle.
Is that job being done just as efficient at home or in the office. I garuntee people cheat their employer more working remotely than in the office.
This is where you are wrong. I can get way more work done at home vs a cube at the office. So much noise and distraction in office. It sounds like you are/were in a job where it was never an option for you. You are clearly giving off the jealous vibes here Gator.
I'd add something as simple as a trip to the washroom is so much faster as it's a quick dash across the hall. In the office it's a typically a couple minute walk IF you don't stop, or get stopped, for a "quick" to chat. I takes 2 minutes to refill my coffee or grab a snack. Twenty minutes min at the office for the same thing. I start earlier at home and if I need to stay longer for something it's usually not a problem.
Oh.....and my team's metrics (they are global) are better and they are more productive since we've been 100% remote. Probably because the local folks don't have me swinging by on my way to the head or cafe to chat bother them.
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@g-manpuck my sister lived in Wyoming for quite a while and drive out there and through the black hills and badlands too. Tried counting all the walldrug billboards in the way for excitement. One of those drives😂 it’s been like 20 years so not sure if it’s there anymore. Sheridan Wyoming and the bighorn mountains are beautiful though.
Is that job being done just as efficient at home or in the office. I garuntee people cheat their employer more working remotely than in the office.
This is where you are wrong. I can get way more work done at home vs a cube at the office. So much noise and distraction in office. It sounds like you are/were in a job where it was never an option for you. You are clearly giving off the jealous vibes here Gator.
Not jealous 1% of 1%. I've been asked and offered leadership to management roles which means I could work from home. I said for now I'm not interested in the leadership or management roles they were offering. I rather be on the lab floor and doing lab duties. Though if the correct role arose, I told them I would be coming into work.
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Is this a serious argument? Where's the nuance in the discussion?
Though you decided to chime in.
No, I'm actually asking: where is the nuance? Do you really not think there is any?
I'm not saying this just to start an argument, I just don't think you're thinking about this critically.
Maybe we are just opposite ends of the spectrum on this. I'm hourly, not salary. I prefer to work on the floor and not totally interested in management or leadership. I'm old school and have always gone to work. I also look at it from the corporate view of having all this office space and employees working from home. This is my opinion, but I feel you get more out of an employee at the office and not at home. Cause all those breaks you take at work and get distracted happens just as much as at home.
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I get much more work done remotely than I would be able to if I worked in the office. I understand others take advantage of the situation, but it's been a big win for my employer and I wouldn't have it any other way as it works well for my lifestyle.
I would bet if remote employees were honest. More than not take advantage of being remote than if they were in the office.
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if the job can be done from home, then "the workplace" is a waste of time, space, and money.So the workplace is suppose to adapt to the worker than the worker adapting to the job?!?!?!
Is that job being done just as efficient at home or in the office. I garuntee people cheat their employer more working remotely than in the office.
If you’re going to use words like “guarantee” you should provide some evidence.
Me personally, cause I don't work remote. Though I have seen and heard from my wife and luxuries/benefits they had working remotely taken away cause of the cheats of the system. And that's "guarantee" enough.
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I knew I was going to get heat on this. I'm probably getting replies from people who work remote or want to work remotely. It's my opinion.
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@g-manpuck my sister lived in Wyoming for quite a while and drive out there and through the black hills and badlands too. Tried counting all the walldrug billboards in the way for excitement. One of those drives😂 it’s been like 20 years so not sure if it’s there anymore. Sheridan Wyoming and the bighorn mountains are beautiful though.
When I was in Chicago last month I saw a billboard for Buc-ee's and got excited... Until I saw how many miles it was away... lol!!!
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Deleted because it continued a dumb argument in a thread not meant for it.
When I drive to Montana every summer I’m almost 90% routine for my stops. The only times I’m not routine, if I take a detour to go see something or find something. Though I’ll quickly get back on schedule stops so I don’t get off my routine… lol!!!
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Is this a serious argument? Where's the nuance in the discussion?
Though you decided to chime in.
No, I'm actually asking: where is the nuance? Do you really not think there is any?
I'm not saying this just to start an argument, I just don't think you're thinking about this critically.
Maybe we are just opposite ends of the spectrum on this. I'm hourly, not salary. I prefer to work on the floor and not totally interested in management or leadership. I'm old school and have always gone to work. I also look at it from the corporate view of having all this office space and employees working from home. This is my opinion, but I feel you get more out of an employee at the office and not at home. Cause all those breaks you take at work and get distracted happens just as much as at home.
Your opinion and your feelings are not facts, gator. And a few people here have already given reasons as to how they are more effective working from home.
You don't think people goof off at the office btw?
No one has proven dinky-doo. Anyone can say anything they want to boast their opinion.
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My simple pleasure is working for a company that realizes having a one size fits all approach to working remotely vs in office is idiotic and bad for business. I do both and my boss trusts me to know when I need to be on site and when I don’t.
Simple pleasures aren’t always facts.
And if working remotely was such a high success, companies wouldn’t be forcing staff to come back in the office.
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Simple pleasures aren’t always facts.
And if working remotely was such a high success, companies wouldn’t be forcing staff to come back in the office.
Studies have shown that the blanket statement of “people get more done in the office” is false. It comes down to real estate, plain and simple.
My simple pleasure is working for a company that realizes having a one size fits all approach to working remotely vs in office is idiotic and bad for business. I do both and my boss trusts me to know when I need to be on site and when I don’t.
There will never be a day I will work from home; it's literally impossible unless I am controlling a robot, and even then, highly unlikely (why pay me AND the cost of upkeep for a robot?).
That being said, every job is tailor-made in the approach of work from home, or work on-site. It's a case-by-case situation.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
While we had 2 local sites until the mid 2000s, I started working at the corporate level in 2013. My company has sites all over the world, although I only support US sites (based on UT, FL and NJ. Before they closed my site in Brooklyn Park I would go into the office and spend the entire day on video conferences speaking with people from those US sites and well as coworkers spread throughout Europe. There was absolutely no reason for me to be at the office. When they closed my Brooklyn Park site in 2017 I began working from home and it's been so much more beneficial to me, as well as my employer. I no longer have to commute. I can work much longer days as I can work right up until the time I have to take my kids to their sporting events or I have to start cooking dinner. Some day, when I'm very busy, I can work until 9 or 10 pm, but stop to drive a kid somewhere and go back home to work while they practice. If I see an important email on Sat morning, I can hop on the computer and deal with it then.
I get much more work done remotely than I would be able to if I worked in the office. I understand others take advantage of the situation, but it's been a big win for my employer and I wouldn't have it any other way as it works well for my lifestyle.
Unfortunately, it's the bad workers who work from home that take advantage of the situation that make the good workers look bad (which is too bad). I have some friends who work from home that do their personal errands (ex: grocery shopping, menards, home depot runs, car repairs, taking naps, etc..) while being on the clock ( these errands are done on company time and they take their lunch before/after) which means they are supposed to be working. As a retiree, I see my work from home neighbors doing house projects all the time during the day. When I asked one of my neighbors if they have the day off he just said no i want to work on my house. If I was an owner of a company I would not be happy to be paying an employee for doing personal work instead of the job he/she is being paid to do.
I know some people take breaks and finish their work later but unfortunately I know some friends of mine who start work around 7am, work a few hours, do their errands, come back to work for a few hours and then stop working. So, the company is paying them a full days wage for working 5-6 hours. Work from home is a good perk to have but I think some people have forgot that work from home means you should be doing company work while at home not your own personal errands.
Seems that some people don’t realize how easy it can be to piss away an entire day in the office and not get anything done. Have none of you had managers?
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If people get their work done, who cares what they do during the day! And I say this as someone who currently works 9-12 hours a day to get their sh!+ done!
If people get their work done, who cares what they do during the day! And I say this as someone who currently works 9-12 hours a day to get their sh!+ done!
This is so true. People tell me they have an appointment (Dr/Dentist) and wiil be away a couple hours but will make up the time. My response is consistent; don't work toward a time and instead work toward an outcome. Get done what needs to be done then jump back in the next day. The caveat to this is we need to have phone coverage between certain hours but as long as that is covered the time part will always work itself out.
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Seems that some people don’t realize how easy it can be to piss away an entire day in the office and not get anything done. Have none of you had managers?
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And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.;)
(I actually only have 3, but...)
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I have no problem with the work from home concept. The problem I have is the one person at our company that works from home 2 days a week isn’t at work to figure out a problem that’s got to be done in person those days sometimes and it’s often frustrating and just not a necessary thing that’s just a new thing she created for herself for all the wrong reasons. I have a problem with slow and lazy in the building too so there’s that. Either way it’s bs because if I can get work done in 4 hours and takes the guy next to me 8 can I just go home then and kick my feet up or run errands? No. I just end up doing twice as much in the same time because I’m actually at my job so unless I want to hide in the bathroom for 4 hours I work. Everyone has a different situation with environment, accountability, trust and type of work life. Unless you really know a person’s individual situation with what they do for work and how they’re doing it it’s not really fair to judge them so I don’t let the one person we have at our place stereotype an entire society.
Working from home is a simple pleasure because MILLIONS of people were able to keep their job during the pandemic because WFH was possible. That said not every job can do that or should do that IMO but that isn't the point of this discussion. I agree that this subject has a great deal of nuance to arguing for either side.
My wife for instance worked from home for 14 months and damn near skipped across town when they were told they could go back to the office. She feels much more productive there. She does still have the ability to work from home, if she chooses, because she needs less workplace distractions/interactions so that is a positive that is available to her.
I don't fault people on either side of this for their viewpoint really. Some people really want to have a separation of work and home which is why they prefer the office setting. I will point back though to my first sentence where WFH did save millions of jobs and that is a positive no matter how you look at it.
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No one has proven dinky-doo. Anyone can say anything they want to boast their opinion.
I know for a FACT that my WAH employees were no less productive than WIO because we're able to MEASURE THEIR PRODUCTIVITY, and in many cases depending upon their actual role, department, manager and location were more productive than their WIO counterparts.
There are people here recounting their actual observations and experiences - you're speaking only in assumptions.
No one has proven dinky-doo. Anyone can say anything they want to boast their opinion.
I know for a FACT that my WAH employees were no less productive than WIO because we're able to MEASURE THEIR PRODUCTIVITY, and in many cases depending upon their actual role, department, manager and location were more productive than their WIO counterparts.
There are people here recounting their actual observations and experiences - you're speaking only in assumptions.
Provide the data...
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