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I've got 9+ up for the Women and MSU/ND up on Fox sports app right now.  Likely to have a pair of BTN+ windows open tonight.

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you get MSU/ND? Is the app different? 

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you get MSU/ND? Is the app different? 

It's on FS2/Fox Sports App.  I get it with my cable package.

 

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@the-rube FS2 is on YTTV, I thought that was your provider….?


   
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I have the bare-bones Comcast, I get CNN, TBS, and some crappy Buzzer, Movie, EWTN channels besides the networks. That's it. 
BUT I do get Fox9+ and that's where I get to see the Gopher women/etc when they pick those games up. 

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Looking like Michigan State going to take it to game 3 vs ND. Gophs look light years better than both of these teams, which I only mention as it does feel like the top flight teams this year are much better than the middle tier rather than a year where it’s a chip and a chance type of make the postseason kind of year. 


   
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It only took a full decade, but MSU finally gets their first B1G playoff victory.

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I have the bare-bones Comcast, I get CNN, TBS, and some crappy Buzzer, Movie, EWTN channels besides the networks. That's it. 
BUT I do get Fox9+ and that's where I get to see the Gopher women/etc when they pick those games up. 

My mistake. It’s also kinda weird to see B10 hockey games on FS2.

 


   
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Mel Pearson was just in the Michigan TV booth and on the air.. WTH

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Penn St wins in OT forcing a game 3.

Michigan is blowing out BADgers as expected. 

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Mel Pearson was just in the Michigan TV booth and on the air.. WTH

Redemption tour?

 


   
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Michigan is blowing out BADgers as expected. 

Not so fast there fella….

 


   
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SCSU is tanking to get that #8 spot against us in the regionals. 


   
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Posted by: @frozen4champs

Michigan is blowing out BADgers as expected. 

Not so fast there fella….

 

Tie game…unexpectedly.

 


   




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Michigan is blowing out BADgers as expected. 

Not so fast there fella….

 

I will take full responsibility ? 

 

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SCSU is tanking to get that #8 spot against us in the regionals. 

 


   
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UMD also doing UMD things. Going on quite a little run to end the season. Still need to win the NCHC tourney, but have stepped it up. 


   
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SCSU is tanking to get that #8 spot against us in the regionals. 

Not so fast there fella…

 


   
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And Michigan comes on strong at the end with two goals less than a minute apart plus an ENG for a 7-4 final

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It’s over.  And by that I mean Lucius’s season of bitterness.


   
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Will Trader Moe transfer to the Whioux for his covid year? ? 

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Posted by: @frozen4champs

Since ND doesn't have any ads on their boards, it is a nice touch to have the numbers of their seniors on the boards.

Plus the boards are really clean for being so much white. Almost like they scrub them down after every practice and game. 

 

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UMD stops skating with 20 seconds left in OT and Jan buries it 


   
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UMD stops skating with 20 seconds left in OT and Jan buries it 

Great pass to set up that shot, too.

 

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Since ND doesn't have any ads on their boards, it is a nice touch to have the numbers of their seniors on the boards.

Plus the boards are really clean for being so much white. Almost like they scrub them down after every practice and game. 

 

There's a puck mark removing solution that a lot of goalies use to clean up their pads. I assume they just scrub the boards with the same thing. Or they paint them. 

The brand new looking nets are often just spray painted white.

 


   
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Way it looks now, regional more like MN-AHA winner, STC-Mi Tech looks much more possible. 

elimination game between mich st and ND coming up today


   
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Things I believe:

 

Ohio State is a good team.

Michigan is going to lose in the first round of the tourney, although fantilli might score 3 goals in the game.

Penn State is not that good.

MN, DU (and maybe Q?) are the only teams with a great chance to win it all. I would take MN and DU vs. the field


   
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I would not look past the Q. I remember the same questions back when Union won it all. Yeah, I know, sorry to bring up bad memories. 🙁 

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Posted by: @chris-eckes

Things I believe:

 

Ohio State is a good team.

Michigan is going to lose in the first round of the tourney, although fantilli might score 3 goals in the game.

Penn State is not that good.

MN, DU (and maybe Q?) are the only teams with a great chance to win it all. I would take MN and DU vs. the field

agree on OSU. Good but not great. Will be all about the matchup they get but I wouldn’t be surprised if they get out of their regional or lose right away. 

I think Michigan wins their first game but I’d put them as the most likely 1 seed to lose their first game due to them falling asleep for portions of games, the same way they dropped so many random games during the course of the B10 season. Don’t think I can see them stringing it together for 4 games, but think they can put talent a team like Alaska or Cornell. Mankato based on style could give them some trouble though

 

PSU finished 6th in the conference for a reason. They’re another good not great team. 

if you could get MN, DU and QU, I could see the argument. However All of them have also needed crazy comebacks throughout this season (Denver just last night vs a bad CC team) numerous times. Hockey is weird in a one and done format. If it was best of 7, then for sure. But there will be 10-12 teams who could seemingly win it all. It’s part of why futures betting is so Lucrative for gambling industries. That being said, there’s a reason MN and DU are the favorites. I just don’t think it’s quite that written in stone that they both have THAT much better odds than the rest of the field, probably 4 seeds notwithstanding. 


 


   
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Sorry @the-rube  --Upset alert-- The Whioux fans 2nd favorite team (#7 seed Holy Cross) beat the #2 seed AIC in the Atlantic Hockey playoffs in OT of the 3rd game. 

Former Gopher Boynton played 20 minutes in one game this year for AIC.

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@the-rube  , Good call out on the Union Comp, that team went on a tear in the 2nd half. The Q are hard to judge whether they are good or Elite, the possibility of a Union like run cant be dismissed. 

@chris-eckes  , I think your on point with Denver & Gophers being the top teams but I would take the the remaining 14 teams over the top 2 teams pretty much every time in NCAA Hockey.  In the last 19 years the top 4 seeds have won it all just ~58% of the time. 

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Emotionally I am all in on this team, This is the team, this is the year to break the Championship drought.....but the history of this tournament helps me hedge my expectations a bit. So hopefully if the Gophers do fall short, I wont feel like I did back in 1999. 

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@the-rube  , Good call out on the Union Comp, that team went on a tear in the 2nd half. The Q are hard to judge whether they are good or Elite, the possibility of a Union like run cant be dismissed. 

@chris-eckes  , I think your on point with Denver & Gophers being the top teams but I would take the the remaining 14 teams over the top 2 teams pretty much every time in NCAA Hockey.  In the last 19 years the top 4 seeds have won it all just ~58% of the time. 

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Emotionally I am all in on this team, This is the team, this is the year to break the Championship drought.....but the history of this tournament helps me hedge my expectations a bit. So hopefully if the Gophers do fall short, I wont feel like I did back in 1999. 

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 do you happen to know if the breakdown by exact seed exists? That would be interesting to me but am too lazy to go run it myself for that many years 

 


   
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Lots of great seats available in Columbus this afternoon.

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No score after 1 in Columbus. OSU had a goal called back for goaltender interference.

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No score after 1 in Columbus. OSU had a goal called back for goaltender interference.

I'd really want to see that overhead view the refs were looking at, because the replay they showed didn't look like interference at all.

And PSU up 1-0 currently.

 

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OSU gets another goal waved off (kicked in), but gets a PP on the play, then score on the PP to tie it.

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OSU leads 2-1 after 2

MSU and ND tied at 1 after 1

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MSU and ND tied at 1 after 1

Both Ben Holden and Paul Caponigri look way different on the BIG than the GOL podcast.

 

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Ohio St wins 3-1.  They will play @ Michigan. 

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Almost sounds like more Sparty fans then Notre Dame fans in South Bend tonight.

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Some 2 seed is gonna be happy to see PSU in their region. Boy they stink. 


   




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I looked up the pairwise # for the championship teams of the last 19 years, see Charts below.

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I think a sample of 19 is too small to draw any confident conclusions for an individual pairwise seed's expected performance, but grouping the results into the #1,2,3,4 seed tiers effectively gives you 4x the data points, at the cost of detail. Prior to 2003 the tournament had a different setup, with only 12 teams, byes.... so hesitate to include more years in the data set.

For all of us gopher fans it is a bit discouraging to see the #1 seed has won only 4 of 19 Titles. I think the biggest surprise in the data is that the #2 seeds (AKA pairwise #s 5,6,7,8) as a group have won the Title at basically the same rate as the #3 & #4 seeds.

You could argue that the two #4 seed championships (Yale 2013,  Providence 2015) are anomalies. But my gut says no and that we will get another #4 seed coming out on top in the next 5-10 yrs. In a single elimination hockey tourney you are going to get surprising results fairly often. 

 


   
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@upnorthkid 

I looked up the pairwise # for the championship teams of the last 19 years, see Charts below.

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I think a sample of 19 is too small to draw any confident conclusions for an individual pairwise seed's expected performance, but grouping the results into the #1,2,3,4 seed tiers effectively gives you 4x the data points, at the cost of detail. Prior to 2003 the tournament had a different setup, with only 12 teams, byes.... so hesitate to include more years in the data set.

For all of us gopher fans it is a bit discouraging to see the #1 seed has won only 4 of 19 Titles. I think the biggest surprise in the data is that the #2 seeds (AKA pairwise #s 5,6,7,8) as a group have won the Title at basically the same rate as the #3 & #4 seeds.

You could argue that the two #4 seed championships (Yale 2013,  Providence 2015) are anomalies. But my gut says no and that we will get another #4 seed coming out on top in the next 5-10 yrs. In a single elimination hockey tourney you are going to get surprising results fairly often. 

 

 

this is awesome data. Think the generalized argument is probably that the chip and a chance idea absolutely applies, but that there are inevitably 4 or so teams each year who are the “best” teams. Takes something special to take them out, but they win more years than not. And I think this speaks to that after the first 4, everyone aside from the 16 is relatively equal 

 


   
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Clearly the Gopher/Quinnipiac battle for #1 overall is critical. After all the #1 overall is four times more likely to win the natty than the #2 overall. ? 


   
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What I got out of that is I’m pissed Denver has won 4 times and UMD 3 times since we have. Gross. 


   
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It'll be interesting to see (after a few years, to get a big enough sample size) on how the transfer portal affects the stats, if they affect them at all. 

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My guess is the transfer portal helps the top teams (Gophers, Michigan, Boston U....) who effectively get a second chance at identifying top talent and filling in any holes. This is assuming the best Transfer portal players want to play for the top teams. 

But you have to have available spots to take advantage of the portal, we saw the gophers let talent go this year due to the incoming recruits. Perhaps the mid tier teams who have a weaker pipeline of recruits and thus more flexibility can take better advantage of the portal, hard to say.

Also the portal talent pool could be reduced/change once we get thru all the players with COVID 5th year eligibility. 


   
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As we saw with Moe, sometimes that portal backfires. If one transfers, one thinks, "2nd line/3rd line on a top team, or I can be on the top line of a so-so team, stand out, and get noticed."
Imagine if Moe went to DU, or the Q, or something. That's a big change in fortune. 

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Fargo, North Dakota

#1 Minnesota vs. #16 RIT (Atlantic winner)

#7 St. Cloud vs. #10 Ohio State

 

Manchester, New Hampshire

#4 Michigan vs. #13 Alaska

#5 Boston University vs. #12 Mankato

 

Bridgeport, Connecticut

#2 Quinnipiac vs. #15 Merrimack

#6 Harvard vs. #11 Michigan Tech

 

Allentown, Pennsylvania

#3 Denver vs. #14 Cornell

#8 Penn State vs. #9 Western Michigan

 

Quinnipiac being only 25 miles from Bridgeport is why I put Denver in Allentown, PA.

 


   
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