The NCAA will do their damndest to prevent an all-conference F4. Smoky room, alley meetings, whatever.
Agree…
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So next weekend BTN playoffs is it 1 and done or best of 3 playoffs?
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So next weekend BTN playoffs is it 1 and done or best of 3 playoffs?
Best of 3 for next weekend's round 1. (Fri-Sat-Sunday if needed)
Gophers get the #1 seed and bye to skip these best of 3 round 1 shenanigans
I don’t know if anyone else participates in the Hobey fan voting (yes I’m aware it carries little weight in the end), but curious if anyone else has noticed it does not reset at midnight eastern as it claims, and there is no particular order to the list - and the order changes every day. Just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
I don’t know if anyone else participates in the Hobey fan voting (yes I’m aware it carries little weight in the end), but curious if anyone else has noticed it does not reset at midnight eastern as it claims, and there is no particular order to the list - and the order changes every day. Just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
I vote daily, but usually in the morning at some point, so I have never experienced being locked out at midnight. I do notice the order changes daily. Not sure of their reasoning other than they want people to scroll through the whole list every day.
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Both #19 Michigan St. (16-16-2) and #14 Notre Dame (15-14-5) are risk missing the NCAAs records not above .500.
it's an elimination series. Whoever loses the series is done. Whoever wins the series there is no way that they can finish with a losing record.
Notre Dame & Mich. State don’t play each in the first round of the playoff and both can finish .500 which is not a winning record.
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Notre Dame & Mich. State don’t play each in the first round of the playoff and both can finish .500 which is not a winning record.
I don't think it runs as a true bracket though. I believe we get whoever is the lowest remaining seed.
I don't think it runs as a true bracket though. I believe we get whoever is the lowest remaining seed.
that is correct. Just how they have it set up as the pictures currently.
I don’t know if anyone else participates in the Hobey fan voting (yes I’m aware it carries little weight in the end), but curious if anyone else has noticed it does not reset at midnight eastern as it claims, and there is no particular order to the list - and the order changes every day. Just curious if anyone else has experienced this.
I vote most days, and the order is always different.
Also--Notre Dame & Mich. State don’t play each in the first round of the playoff and both can finish .500 which is not a winning record.
- (2008) PROCESS CHANGE - "Must have .500 or better record to be considered"
Also--Notre Dame & Mich. State don’t play each in the first round of the playoff and both can finish .500 which is not a winning record.
- (2008) PROCESS CHANGE - "Must have .500 or better record to be considered"
yup. winner of the series will absolutely finish .500 or better, regardless of if it takes 3 games or not and they lose the next game. loser will be eliminated due to their PWR.
Edit: I guess in theory, maybe ND has a chance if they lose a 3 game series sliding in as a 14 seed or so as they will still be .500. With how the bubble looks currently, would imagine their RPI drops too much to hold onto that spot
Notre Dame & Mich. State don’t play each in the first round of the playoff and both can finish .500 which is not a winning record.
My bad… I looked at the standings on CHN and not a bracket.
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Meant to post this earlier in the season, but some changes I like to see…
NCAA:
- If a coach challenges a goal or missed call. If it’s not overturned, instead of losing your TO, you get a 2 minute penalty for ‘delay of game’.
BIG:
- Point system… regardless of the win, regulation, OT or SO, the winning team gets 3 points. And the losing team gets 0 in regulation and 1 point for a OT or SO lose.
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Yes to the first one, No to the second. I HATE that in the NHL, a game that goes to OT counts for more in the standings than a game that ends in regulation. Every game should give the same total number of points. If you're going 3pts, then Regulation/OT win are 3, SO is 2&1Meant to post this earlier in the season, but some changes I like to see…
NCAA:
- If a coach challenges a goal or missed call. If it’s not overturned, instead of losing your TO, you get a 2 minute penalty for ‘delay of game’.
BIG:
- Point system… regardless of the win, regulation, OT or SO, the winning team gets 3 points. And the losing team gets 0 in regulation and 1 point for a OT or SO lose.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
@steve-mn I’m with you. 3 pts for a win in OT (also make it 4-4 or 5-5), and 2/1 for a shootout.
I don’t know what I was thinking when I made my post. Probably the fact I was up at 4am to be at the hospital. Let me try this again… Though you still won’t be a total fan.
3 pts. for a regulation or 3x3 OT win.
0 pts for a regulation or 3x3 lose.
1 pt for both teams for a tie after 3x3.
No SO or have it for kicks and giggles, though still on pts. handed out.
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That's better. But, if they're going to do 3pts, there does need to be a shootout. Otherwise a Tie counts less in the standings than a game someone wins. I know they do it that way in soccer, but I hate that as much as I do the NHL method. Every game should count for the same number of points in the standings, however it happens to be broken down.
My personal preference would be to get rid of shootouts... and just go back to the old 2pt system. 2pts for a win (regulation or 5x5 OT) or 1 pt each for a tie. No, I'm not holding my breath.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
That's better. But, if they're going to do 3pts, there does need to be a shootout. Otherwise a Tie counts less in the standings than a game someone wins. I know they do it that way in soccer, but I hate that as much as I do the NHL method. Every game should count for the same number of points in the standings, however it happens to be broken down.
My personal preference would be to get rid of shootouts... and just go back to the old 2pt system. 2pts for a win (regulation or 5x5 OT) or 1 pt each for a tie. No, I'm not holding my breath.
Each game is worth 9 pts:
Win by 3+ = 9
Win by 2 = 8
Win by 1 = 7
Win in OT = 6
SO Win = 5
SO L = 4
OT L = 3
Reg L by 1 = 2
Reg L by 2 = 1
Reg L by 3+ = 0
Note: this is stupid, but if the underlying premise is ‘some wins / losses are better than others and should be treated differently’, this to me is the logical extension of that premise.
I only want to see the difference for Stupid Human Tricks (shootout), not a game decided by actual team play.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
How about play until you win?
Ok, fine, IF you have to have a single OT, a tie is acceptable.
Wait, we tried that? And people didn't like it? Screw 'em.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I only want to see the difference for Stupid Human Tricks (shootout), not a game decided by actual team play.
The problem with a SO is the game goes down as a tie, but an extra point given in a skills competition. Skills competitions are for All Star Games or ‘dog & pony shows’. Have it after the 5 minutes of 3x3. Reward each team 1 point, a tie on their record and then find a way to use the SO as a crowd pleaser.
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If a regulation/OT win is 2 points, then sure. (Or, just leave it as a tie after 5 minute OT and move on)I only want to see the difference for Stupid Human Tricks (shootout), not a game decided by actual team play.
The problem with a SO is the game goes down as a tie, but an extra point given in a skills competition. Skills competitions are for All Star Games or ‘dog & pony shows’. Have it after the 5 minutes of 3x3. Reward each team 1 point, a tie on their record and then find a way to use the SO as a crowd pleaser.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
3x3 is stupid. For all of the lamenting of SOs 3x3 is just as gimmicky. Just go back to the old system and if 5 isnt enough make it ten but ties are fine.
3x3 is fun to watch but it probably shouldn’t have any impact on the PWR. I also don’t have a problem with tie games though I will say having 3x3 actually mattering might disincentivize teams to just play for the tie in regulation (*cough* teams like cows and Notre dame *cough*).
Seems like the PWR has been tweaking the formula for how 3v3 should count so it’ll be interesting to see what they settle on.
Agreed, not a fan of 3x3 either. It's better than a shootout, but that's not a high bar to get over.3x3 is stupid. For all of the lamenting of SOs 3x3 is just as gimmicky. Just go back to the old system and if 5 isnt enough make it ten but ties are fine.
My ideal would be 2pt games. 5 minutes of 5x5 OT. After that, it's just a tie, both teams get 1 pt, and that's the end of it for the night.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
Tie > 3x3 > SO but ties aren't coming back any time soon unfortunately.
Agreed, not a fan of 3x3 either. It's better than a shootout, but that's not a high bar to get over.3x3 is stupid. For all of the lamenting of SOs 3x3 is just as gimmicky. Just go back to the old system and if 5 isnt enough make it ten but ties are fine.
My ideal would be 2pt games. 5 minutes of 5x5 OT. After that, it's just a tie, both teams get 1 pt, and that's the end of it for the night.
I'll be the one to disagree... 3x3 is far from gimmicky. 3x3 is part of the game and I've seen it in regulation.
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If you have it was once and for a few seconds.Agreed, not a fan of 3x3 either. It's better than a shootout, but that's not a high bar to get over.3x3 is stupid. For all of the lamenting of SOs 3x3 is just as gimmicky. Just go back to the old system and if 5 isnt enough make it ten but ties are fine.
My ideal would be 2pt games. 5 minutes of 5x5 OT. After that, it's just a tie, both teams get 1 pt, and that's the end of it for the night.
I'll be the one to disagree... 3x3 is far from gimmicky. 3x3 is part of the game and I've seen it in regulation.
As much as I would like to just have it end in a tie, Trix is right in that under that format teams play not to lose. The third period is frustrating as hell to watch and there tends to be a lot of ties. You'd have years where an offensive minded team like Minnesota would have 7-10 ties because opponents would sit back and play for the point.
I say play 5x5 for 5 min and follow it up with 3x3 for 5 min, then go to a tie. Winning team in OT gets both points and loser gets nothing.
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That’s good! Well done to the social media team.
Tie > 3x3 > SO but ties aren't coming back any time soon unfortunately.
Shootouts have lost their appeal for most but I disagree regarding preferring ties to 3x3 OT. Unless your team is a big underdog in the matchup there is no satisfaction with a tie for either side. I have a lot of good OT memories just from this year alone. Some new hockey fans were definitely made this year by seeing those OT Knies & Cooley goals. And the X was rocking yesterday with Kirill's OT Hat trick goal.
The current NCAA Pairwise math puts a fairly small weight to the OT win at .67 vs .33 "wins" for the loser. I understand the opinion that this is still too much to reward for 3on3 but it honestly doesn't bother me. Could you play the 3on3 just for the fans/conference and call it a tie for pairwise, sure, but I prefer the current setup to keep some pairwise stakes in the 3on3. It still gives more weight to a regulation win and OT is just way more fun than ending in a tie and going home, for that I can watch soccer.
As much as I would like to just have it end in a tie, Trix is right in that under that format teams play not to lose. The third period is frustrating as hell to watch and there tends to be a lot of ties. You'd have years where an offensive minded team like Minnesota would have 7-10 ties because opponents would sit back and play for the point.
I say play 5x5 for 5 min and follow it up with 3x3 for 5 min, then go to a tie. Winning team in OT gets both points and loser gets nothing.
Or how about 4x4 for 5 min then 3x3 for 5 min?
Shootouts have lost their appeal for most but I disagree regarding preferring ties to 3x3 OT. Unless your team is a big underdog in the matchup there is no satisfaction with a tie for either side. I have a lot of good OT memories just from this year alone. Some new hockey fans were definitely made this year by seeing those OT Knies & Cooley goals. And the X was rocking yesterday with Kirill's OT Hat trick goal.
The current NCAA Pairwise math puts a fairly small weight to the OT win at .67 vs .33 "wins" for the loser. I understand the opinion that this is still too much to reward for 3on3 but it honestly doesn't bother me. Could you play the 3on3 just for the fans/conference and call it a tie for pairwise, sure, but I prefer the current setup to keep some pairwise stakes in the 3on3. It still gives more weight to a regulation win and OT is just way more fun than ending in a tie and going home, for that I can watch soccer.
I agree with everything in this post.
I agree too with the above post…there’s as much chance going forward that we”ll go back to final score tie games, as the reformation of the “old WCHA”. lol. And while I prefer the 4x4 OT format, that isn’t happening either. ?Shootouts have lost their appeal for most but I disagree regarding preferring ties to 3x3 OT. Unless your team is a big underdog in the matchup there is no satisfaction with a tie for either side. I have a lot of good OT memories just from this year alone. Some new hockey fans were definitely made this year by seeing those OT Knies & Cooley goals. And the X was rocking yesterday with Kirill's OT Hat trick goal.
The current NCAA Pairwise math puts a fairly small weight to the OT win at .67 vs .33 "wins" for the loser. I understand the opinion that this is still too much to reward for 3on3 but it honestly doesn't bother me. Could you play the 3on3 just for the fans/conference and call it a tie for pairwise, sure, but I prefer the current setup to keep some pairwise stakes in the 3on3. It still gives more weight to a regulation win and OT is just way more fun than ending in a tie and going home, for that I can watch soccer.
I agree with everything in this post.
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Everyone has said ties are not coming back, but brilliant tag-along.
So because we aren't going back people can't lament the fact that the idea is stupid? Every 12 seconds someone whines about shootouts but they aren't going anywhere either.
And the same fans "rocking yesterday to Kirils goal" would have rocked out the same way if it happened in the shootout. I have been to/worked enough games to know that the majority of the fans are entertained by the shootout even if they pretend to dislike it. Hell even at Mariucci the fans get into it. The reason why, because they crave a conclusion and want to watch something fun. They don't care what we overly passionate fans think...they just want to get the most bang for their buck and watch their team play well. If the team wins they are happy, if they lose they aren't.
There is nothing wrong with ties though, there never was. Did it suck when bad teams played for the tie...yeah but that was part of the game. Sometimes neither team deserves to win, sometimes a goalie is hot, that is what makes it fun. Resorting to gimmicks trying to satisfy casual fans almost never fixes the problem it just creates new ones. It isn't like hockey viewership and patronage skyrocketed after they outlawed ties...and no one likes the point system. I just don't think this was really the problem. The problem was the prevalence of the Right Wing Lock and how every team preferred that over skating in the NHL. (And half of college) All of a sudden bad teams could clutch and grab their way to a point. If the refs in all leagues had just called interference there would have been no need for these stupid rules.
Clearly you don't like 3x3, fair enough.
All I can add is that I attended the Friday North Dakota OT win this year with some "less passionate" Hockey friends that you mention. under the old rules It would of been a fun late comeback Tie. Instead we got a Knies OT finish that we will remember for a long time. Missing out on this type of great memory is my problem with ties.
3X3 is probably the purest form of hockey that you're going to see in todays world of over-coached systems hockey. There's nowhere to hide during 3X3. There's no system to bail out your lack of skill. Having 25-26 year olds trying to muck the game along the boards isn't going to work either. The team with the most actual skill has the advantage, but even then, they are going to have to risk something to try and make a play.
@sufferingsotafan That Knies OT goal was incredible. Slooow, slooow, HYPERSPEED!
It'll never happen, but I would love to see a college football style OT-- each team gets 1 minute 5x4 PPs, and if they are still tied, then 1 minute 4x3 PPs, and if still tied, then 1 minute 5x3 PPs. Then play successive 5x3 PPs until they are no longer tied.
Could be very interesting and lead to some fun situations, like a team on the PP in OT pull a goalie to create a 6x4 or a 5x3.
If you have it was once and for a few seconds.Agreed, not a fan of 3x3 either. It's better than a shootout, but that's not a high bar to get over.3x3 is stupid. For all of the lamenting of SOs 3x3 is just as gimmicky. Just go back to the old system and if 5 isnt enough make it ten but ties are fine.
My ideal would be 2pt games. 5 minutes of 5x5 OT. After that, it's just a tie, both teams get 1 pt, and that's the end of it for the night.
I'll be the one to disagree... 3x3 is far from gimmicky. 3x3 is part of the game and I've seen it in regulation.
I never said they are a regular occurrence. Though I’ve seen a couple. I saw one here recently for about 1:20. Though the thing I’ve seen once was a 5x3 and the team on the pp scores. Though they still had a 5x3, cause during the 5x3 the pk team got another penalty. So that player had to sit in the box and his penalty didn’t start till the first penalty of the 5x3 was over. Funny how you and @handyman have the knowledge of what people have seen and have not seen.
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Clearly you don't like 3x3, fair enough.
All I can add is that I attended the Friday North Dakota OT win this year with some "less passionate" Hockey friends that you mention. under the old rules It would of been a fun late comeback Tie. Instead we got a Knies OT finish that we will remember for a long time. Missing out on this type of great memory is my problem with ties.
Am I the only one who noticed the delicious irony in the sponsor of the video?
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Clearly you don't like 3x3, fair enough.
All I can add is that I attended the Friday North Dakota OT win this year with some "less passionate" Hockey friends that you mention. under the old rules It would of been a fun late comeback Tie. Instead we got a Knies OT finish that we will remember for a long time. Missing out on this type of great memory is my problem with ties.
Am I the only one who noticed the delicious irony in the sponsor of the video?
There will be at least a few upsets on conference tournaments this year. Do you think that UMD or UND can win the NCHC tournament and sneak in. MN State most likely will have to win at least a couple of more games depending how it all ends up. Anyway what do you think?
@gator your point is well taken. There is indeed a precedent for 3 on 3. However improbable, it can happen during a game. It's not just some fictional bolt-on for overtime.
It isn't like settling a tie in this way is the same as a shootout, which is beyond the pale as a terrible way to crown a winner of any tournament. Yes, breakaways happen in games, too, but it's a breakdown in team play that causes them. Lining up guys at center ice for a shootout with the clock shut off is not really hockey at all.
It's notable that the NHL abandons 3 on 3 and the shootout during the Stanley Cup. It's a good way to mete out points while appeasing fans during the regular season but a bad way to determine a champion. I give them credit for knowing the difference.