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Doesn’t really seem like it’ll change much of anything as most of the time the pairwise and rpi mirror pretty well. There have only been a few times h2h had enough weighting to move teams up and down
why wodon once again decides to roll this into the home regional debate I dunno. His approach to the argument is really quite blah.
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The Whioux loses a portal guy. He is staying at Tech.
https://twitter.com/TechHockeyGuide/status/1930298889115992534
I was recently informed by a GPLer that I'm related to Airey
The Whioux loses a portal guy. He is staying at Tech.
https://twitter.com/TechHockeyGuide/status/1930298889115992534
all the steam from und is that their whl guys are more what they wanted and pushed him out
The Whioux loses a portal guy. He is staying at Tech.
https://twitter.com/TechHockeyGuide/status/1930298889115992534
all the steam from und is that their whl guys are more what they wanted and pushed him out
If true, that is a crappy deal. Welcome to NCAA college hockey 2025 I guess.
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Hopefully that leads to portal players shying away from the Whioux
This should be interesting who will make the team.
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Another death blow to college sports.
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Hasn't stuff like this more or less always existed, it was just hidden by a few more layers of obscurity? We all know guys like Cam Newton were getting paid and that athletic facilities/programs were funded by big money boosters.
Another death blow to college sports.
I haven't followed any of the funding things closely. But skimming the article, it seems like both schools claim they are only involved as far as ticket sales. But it also talks about athletic dept shortfalls at the schools. I thought the word was Big 10 schools were ahead of everyone else for athletic budgets thanks to B1G income? And that with the profit sharing with athletes, this would set Big schools ahead of everyone else for recruiting. Anyone able to explain all of this?
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Another possible D1 school coming soon...
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1932828467277578735
https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1932939010000990624
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If traded to the right team, could Howard change his mind and leave this off season?
https://twitter.com/kelsey_surmacz4/status/1934060870880956765
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@frozen4champs I expect Howard is not back based on his comments. Would be shocked if he’s not moved and signs
According to the article, he was Rutger McGroarty's teammate at MSU during the 2023-24 season. I thought McG went to the NHL directly from Michigan.If traded to the right team, could Howard change his mind and leave this off season?
https://twitter.com/kelsey_surmacz4/status/1934060870880956765
According to the article, he was Rutger McGroarty's teammate at MSU during the 2023-24 season. I thought McG went to the NHL directly from Michigan.If traded to the right team, could Howard change his mind and leave this off season?
https://twitter.com/kelsey_surmacz4/status/1934060870880956765
kelsey perhaps has very little experience and doesn’t follow college hockey at all
Interesting new rule this year.
https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/1936418969889701951
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If traded to the right team, could Howard change his mind and leave this off season?
https://twitter.com/kelsey_surmacz4/status/1934060870880956765
Ive been fully expecting him not to play college hockey next season even given his returning announcement. Still don’t think he plays college next year
Per Mike McMahon, the NHL and NHLPA are close to a change in draft rights.
Sources: Here's what standardized NHL draft rights will likely look like
The NHL and NHLPA are close to agreeing on a change to NHL Draft rights, now that the NCAA has changed its player eligibility rules on CHL players.
Under the current rules, an NHL team holds a player’s draft rights for two years if the player is drafted from the CHL, and four years if a player is drafted from the NCAA or Europe. If a player has not signed an entry-level contract, he becomes an unrestricted free agent (or, in some cases, can re-enter the draft if he’s under 20 years old).
According to NHL sources, the NHL and NHLPA are close to agreeing on a new structure, now that players can be drafted from the CHL, but eventually matriculate to the NCAA.
Sources said the new structure will be based on a player’s age at the time he’s drafted, and will expire when the player is 22 years old. This will be standardized across the board, no matter which league a player played in the year he was drafted.
So, for example:
Drafted at 18 years old: NHL team holds the rights for (4) years.
Drafted at 19 years old: NHL team holds the rights for (3) years.
Drafted at 20 years old: NHL team holds the right for (2) years.
All drafted and unsigned players will become UFAs in their 22-year-old year.
I don’t have a clear sense of whether this will begin to apply with the 2026 NHL Draft, or if players drafted this weekend in the 2025 NHL Draft will be subject to the new rule. The same goes for players already drafted but unsigned (from 2024, 2023, and 2022). Will they be grandfathered or subject to the new guideline? I’m not sure.
Sources said that the NHL and NHLPA weren’t far apart on what they wanted once talks began. The NHLPA originally wanted a three-year rights window, and they settled on the sliding scale based on draft age.
This change will also likely include the ability for teams to sign players to AHL contracts starting at 19 years old, sources said. Drafted players from the CHL cannot currently be played in the AHL until they are 20 years old.
Nothing’s official until it’s announced, but multiple NHL sources said they expect that model (or something very similar) to be implemented for draft rights.
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In the era of NIL and collectives, this is going to be weird.
You may convince a high end guy for an undesirable location in the NHL to come back (or do you force TB to trade Howard last year) so they can be a UFA coupled with guys like say Javon Moore who will be a UFA after his Jr season who may be more prone to leave early. Brody Lamb would also be in theory a UFA now or a guy like Huglen would've played 2 years at the U as a UFA under this concept (of course depending on the timing of when you decide they're UFAs, fall or at completion of their season).
Kind of a weird move when you don't mandate when any of these guys have to come into these leagues to see the rights terminate with ongoing NCAA eligibility when the pay is going to increase there down the road. May be some things that will really change how NHL teams handle their NCAA guys
This doesn't really change much for college kids. These rules are more for protecting NHL teams who will have players going from Juniors into NCAA. Now its an even playing field for everyoneIn the era of NIL and collectives, this is going to be weird.
You may convince a high end guy for an undesirable location in the NHL to come back (or do you force TB to trade Howard last year) so they can be a UFA coupled with guys like say Javon Moore who will be a UFA after his Jr season who may be more prone to leave early. Brody Lamb would also be in theory a UFA now or a guy like Huglen would've played 2 years at the U as a UFA under this concept (of course depending on the timing of when you decide they're UFAs, fall or at completion of their season).
Kind of a weird move when you don't mandate when any of these guys have to come into these leagues to see the rights terminate with ongoing NCAA eligibility when the pay is going to increase there down the road. May be some things that will really change how NHL teams handle their NCAA guys
This doesn't really change much for college kids. These rules are more for protecting NHL teams who will have players going from Juniors into NCAA. Now its an even playing field for everyoneIn the era of NIL and collectives, this is going to be weird.
You may convince a high end guy for an undesirable location in the NHL to come back (or do you force TB to trade Howard last year) so they can be a UFA coupled with guys like say Javon Moore who will be a UFA after his Jr season who may be more prone to leave early. Brody Lamb would also be in theory a UFA now or a guy like Huglen would've played 2 years at the U as a UFA under this concept (of course depending on the timing of when you decide they're UFAs, fall or at completion of their season).
Kind of a weird move when you don't mandate when any of these guys have to come into these leagues to see the rights terminate with ongoing NCAA eligibility when the pay is going to increase there down the road. May be some things that will really change how NHL teams handle their NCAA guys
More meaning, current rule give you rights until the guy leaves college (and then 30 days). So in theory, the guy who you drafted like say Kvas this year you could push out in the WHL for a year or two then have him go to the U and keep him there for 3-4 years while still having rights (in theory). Then there's the question of when do they become UFAs. Is it immediately on season's end or is it the usual later date for retaining rights? Aidan Thompson would've been an example this year who signed with the Blackhawks this year at 23 because they still had his rights but would've been a UFA instead and gotten to choose his landing spot despite only being a Jr. because he wasn't drafted until later.
Or do they move your rights to you retain them until they finish (or leave) NCAA if they go that route?
The college rules are nuanced and dependent on when they actually enter college. That's more what I'm referring to as some of the nuance in how they push players through and when they may push to sign them if it's just a blanket rights are gone at 22. Won’t impact first rounders or guys who come in at 18, but not always the case with juniors which is what I’m curious with how they’ll do it
(c) College Players.
- (i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.
- (ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to
ARTICLE 8 8.6-8.6
graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player’s services through and including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college student. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.
- (iii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive rights of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class.
More meaning, current rule give you rights until the guy leaves college (and then 30 days). So in theory, the guy who you drafted like say Kvas this year you could push out in the WHL for a year or two then have him go to the U and keep him there for 3-4 years while still having rights (in theory). Then there's the question of when do they become UFAs. Is it immediately on season's end or is it the usual later date for retaining rights? Aidan Thompson would've been an example this year who signed with the Blackhawks this year at 23 because they still had his rights but would've been a UFA instead and gotten to choose his landing spot despite only being a Jr. because he wasn't drafted until later.
Or do they move your rights to you retain them until they finish (or leave) NCAA if they go that route?
The college rules are nuanced and dependent on when they actually enter college. That's more what I'm referring to as some of the nuance in how they push players through and when they may push to sign them if it's just a blanket rights are gone at 22. Won’t impact first rounders or guys who come in at 18, but not always the case with juniors which is what I’m curious with how they’ll do it
(c) College Players.
- (i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.
- (ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to
ARTICLE 8 8.6-8.6
graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player’s services through and including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college student. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.
- (iii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive rights of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class.
I don't have anything to add re: the NHL changes to draft rights, but as a practicing attorney I want to highlight the shoddy work produced by the NHL's lawyers here. This is such an awfully convoluted and over-engineered legal document. Could've just written "for a period of four calendar years, following the player's selection in the entry draft" or "for 1400 days post-draft" something like that, instead of all this "on the fourth June 1 after blah blah, or by the second June 1 blah blah". But I guess that'd reduce the billable hours on their invoice to Gary.
In your Kvasnicka example above, you would lose his rights in 2 years under the current rules. The only thing that is changing as it pertains to the NCAA side is that players no longer have to declare that they're leaving school to become a free agent, and teams aren't getting a free year(s) of rights if the player stays in school past 4 years from when he was drafted.This doesn't really change much for college kids. These rules are more for protecting NHL teams who will have players going from Juniors into NCAA. Now its an even playing field for everyoneIn the era of NIL and collectives, this is going to be weird.
You may convince a high end guy for an undesirable location in the NHL to come back (or do you force TB to trade Howard last year) so they can be a UFA coupled with guys like say Javon Moore who will be a UFA after his Jr season who may be more prone to leave early. Brody Lamb would also be in theory a UFA now or a guy like Huglen would've played 2 years at the U as a UFA under this concept (of course depending on the timing of when you decide they're UFAs, fall or at completion of their season).
Kind of a weird move when you don't mandate when any of these guys have to come into these leagues to see the rights terminate with ongoing NCAA eligibility when the pay is going to increase there down the road. May be some things that will really change how NHL teams handle their NCAA guys
More meaning, current rule give you rights until the guy leaves college (and then 30 days). So in theory, the guy who you drafted like say Kvas this year you could push out in the WHL for a year or two then have him go to the U and keep him there for 3-4 years while still having rights (in theory). Then there's the question of when do they become UFAs. Is it immediately on season's end or is it the usual later date for retaining rights? Aidan Thompson would've been an example this year who signed with the Blackhawks this year at 23 because they still had his rights but would've been a UFA instead and gotten to choose his landing spot despite only being a Jr. because he wasn't drafted until later.
Or do they move your rights to you retain them until they finish (or leave) NCAA if they go that route?
The college rules are nuanced and dependent on when they actually enter college. That's more what I'm referring to as some of the nuance in how they push players through and when they may push to sign them if it's just a blanket rights are gone at 22. Won’t impact first rounders or guys who come in at 18, but not always the case with juniors which is what I’m curious with how they’ll do it
(c) College Players.
- (i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.
- (ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to
ARTICLE 8 8.6-8.6
graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player’s services through and including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college student. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.
- (iii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive rights of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class.
@j22 no not saying for or against it. Just a difference so will be interesting to see if it changes how they approach things. I like the standardization and limiting ways to prolong attaining rights of players if they stay in college. Makes way more sense to me (and I’m massively a fan if it streamlines more kids to come into college right away, as I’ve always felt it should be a 4 year clock immediately at hs graduation for hockey or however you want to word that )
under the current CBA: if a player drafted from the CHL becomes bona-fide college student before the end of their rights, they are considered college student and the rights are maintained for 4years.
So, if/when, Kvasnicka gets drafted this week, the team has his rights for 4 years as long as he enrolls in school full-time within 2 years.
Here's a good discussion on the entire issue:
https://twitter.com/MtlfanSakic/status/1905676605055189365
More meaning, current rule give you rights until the guy leaves college (and then 30 days). So in theory, the guy who you drafted like say Kvas this year you could push out in the WHL for a year or two then have him go to the U and keep him there for 3-4 years while still having rights (in theory). Then there's the question of when do they become UFAs. Is it immediately on season's end or is it the usual later date for retaining rights? Aidan Thompson would've been an example this year who signed with the Blackhawks this year at 23 because they still had his rights but would've been a UFA instead and gotten to choose his landing spot despite only being a Jr. because he wasn't drafted until later.
Or do they move your rights to you retain them until they finish (or leave) NCAA if they go that route?
The college rules are nuanced and dependent on when they actually enter college. That's more what I'm referring to as some of the nuance in how they push players through and when they may push to sign them if it's just a blanket rights are gone at 22. Won’t impact first rounders or guys who come in at 18, but not always the case with juniors which is what I’m curious with how they’ll do it
(c) College Players.
- (i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.
- (ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to
ARTICLE 8 8.6-8.6
graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player’s services through and including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college student. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.
- (iii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive rights of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class.
I don't have anything to add re: the NHL changes to draft rights, but as a practicing attorney I want to highlight the shoddy work produced by the NHL's lawyers here. This is such an awfully convoluted and over-engineered legal document. Could've just written "for a period of four calendar years, following the player's selection in the entry draft" or "for 1400 days post-draft" something like that, instead of all this "on the fourth June 1 after blah blah, or by the second June 1 blah blah". But I guess that'd reduce the billable hours on their invoice to Gary.
My guess is its designed around the players draft eligibility date and intended to keep every player with a June 1st date. The draft date changes each year. Additionally, the draft occurs across several days each year. If they wrote the rule based on the player's draft date, they would have to track thousands of different players who could have different draft dates. Using the above article, they only have to know the year the player was drafted.