What will the odds be of the Gophers winning a Big10 football title in the future?
It shouldn’t go down from the small % it has been. UCLA hasn’t been top tier for some time and even USC has struggled compared to the Pete Carroll years.
I find this all quite fascinating. If this rolls out how many expect, the two super power conferences will have as many as 20 or more teams in them. So a "once in a lifetime Big Ten championship" for schools like MN, Indiana, Maryland… may go to never likely to happen. To control runaway costs (coaches/facilities….) to demonstrate to fans that "we care about winning" I suspect there will be 4 divisions, teams then can hang a banner at least once in while. Do they create additional intra-conference bowl-type games for the also rans so they do not have teams playing a disproportionately large number of games?
Don’t get caught up in AAU membership, the conference will buckle for the right team bringing the right market. Academics will sit and pout but the schools will let it happen.
110% disagree. It what sets the BIG by it’s self among the Power 5. Outside the BIG and the Ivy League having AAU as a requirement, the BIG can stick to those requirements. With 14 now, going to 16 and possibly more up 20. I’m positive the BIG we’ll stick to the AAU requirements to apply and join. And there’s plenty of “big” (no pun intended) time universities between the BIG12, PAC12 and ACC who are AAU for the BIG to draw from
Keep your stick on the ice...
Don’t get caught up in AAU membership, the conference will buckle for the right team bringing the right market. Academics will sit and pout but the schools will let it happen.
110% disagree. It what sets the BIG by it’s self among the Power 5. Outside the BIG and the Ivy League having AAU as a requirement, the BIG can stick to those requirements. With 14 now, going to 16 and possibly more up 20. I’m positive the BIG we’ll stick to the AAU requirements to apply and join. And there’s plenty of “big” (no pun intended) time universities between the BIG12, PAC12 and ACC who are AAU for the BIG to draw from
The Big Ten has a history of courting Notre Dame, so Handy has a point.
Notre Dame always had the leverage with the NBC contract. Now the leverage is tilting to the BIG. And Notre Dame has always surprised me for not being AAU. Off the top of my head they are the most high profile academic university that’s not AAU.
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I may have lost a ton of interest in football in recent years, but the thought of teams coming from where people complain whenever the mercury falls below 70 degrees to play outside across the Upper Midwest in late November has me amused and I may have to buy tickets to both USC and UCLA's first visits to Huntington Bank Stadium when the air temperature is even colder than what they've seen at Utah and Colorado.
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Players will be fine from the Cali universities playing in the cold.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Don’t get caught up in AAU membership, the conference will buckle for the right team bringing the right market. Academics will sit and pout but the schools will let it happen.
110% disagree. It what sets the BIG by it’s self among the Power 5. Outside the BIG and the Ivy League having AAU as a requirement, the BIG can stick to those requirements. With 14 now, going to 16 and possibly more up 20. I’m positive the BIG we’ll stick to the AAU requirements to apply and join. And there’s plenty of “big” (no pun intended) time universities between the BIG12, PAC12 and ACC who are AAU for the BIG to draw from
Really, they will let Notre Dame in tomorrow and they aren't in the AAU and there are others. They won't let in some also ran school but the Big Ten will sell itself out to add markets. The Universities won't even flinch at it.
I dont like it, but money talks.
Don’t get caught up in AAU membership, the conference will buckle for the right team bringing the right market. Academics will sit and pout but the schools will let it happen.
110% disagree. It what sets the BIG by it’s self among the Power 5. Outside the BIG and the Ivy League having AAU as a requirement, the BIG can stick to those requirements. With 14 now, going to 16 and possibly more up 20. I’m positive the BIG we’ll stick to the AAU requirements to apply and join. And there’s plenty of “big” (no pun intended) time universities between the BIG12, PAC12 and ACC who are AAU for the BIG to draw from
The Big Ten has a history of courting Notre Dame, so Handy has a point.
Don’t get caught up in AAU membership, the conference will buckle for the right team bringing the right market. Academics will sit and pout but the schools will let it happen.
110% disagree. It what sets the BIG by it’s self among the Power 5. Outside the BIG and the Ivy League having AAU as a requirement, the BIG can stick to those requirements. With 14 now, going to 16 and possibly more up 20. I’m positive the BIG we’ll stick to the AAU requirements to apply and join. And there’s plenty of “big” (no pun intended) time universities between the BIG12, PAC12 and ACC who are AAU for the BIG to draw from
Really, they will let Notre Dame in tomorrow and they aren’t in the AAU and there are others. They won’t let in some also ran school but the Big Ten will sell itself out to add markets. The Universities won’t even flinch at it.
I dont like it, but money talks.
AAU has 65 members, and the Big Ten has biggest block. The meetings are held in private and members are invited, according to criteria.
I dont see the Big Ten budging on AAU. However, maybe ND gets invited to AAU then Big Ten to follow. Biggest impediment is lack of medical school and the massive amount of NIH funding that most research med schools get (if you think med school dean's biggest priority is student education, most places that is at best third (research and patient care (which drives the clinical research $$)). The vast majority of AAU schools have med schools.
My guess: once ND gets into AAU, that will be the signal the BIG TEN membership is to follow.
The Big 12 should grab two teams from the Pac 12 and then rename their conference to Biggie and 2 Pac. 😉
What fun road trips for USC/UCLA to go to Rutgers/Maryland.
Don’t get caught up in AAU membership, the conference will buckle for the right team bringing the right market. Academics will sit and pout but the schools will let it happen.
110% disagree. It what sets the BIG by it’s self among the Power 5. Outside the BIG and the Ivy League having AAU as a requirement, the BIG can stick to those requirements. With 14 now, going to 16 and possibly more up 20. I’m positive the BIG we’ll stick to the AAU requirements to apply and join. And there’s plenty of “big” (no pun intended) time universities between the BIG12, PAC12 and ACC who are AAU for the BIG to draw from
The Big Ten has a history of courting Notre Dame, so Handy has a point.
Don’t get caught up in AAU membership, the conference will buckle for the right team bringing the right market. Academics will sit and pout but the schools will let it happen.
110% disagree. It what sets the BIG by it’s self among the Power 5. Outside the BIG and the Ivy League having AAU as a requirement, the BIG can stick to those requirements. With 14 now, going to 16 and possibly more up 20. I’m positive the BIG we’ll stick to the AAU requirements to apply and join. And there’s plenty of “big” (no pun intended) time universities between the BIG12, PAC12 and ACC who are AAU for the BIG to draw from
Really, they will let Notre Dame in tomorrow and they aren’t in the AAU and there are others. They won’t let in some also ran school but the Big Ten will sell itself out to add markets. The Universities won’t even flinch at it.
I dont like it, but money talks.
AAU has 65 members, and the Big Ten has biggest block. The meetings are held in private and members are invited, according to criteria.
I dont see the Big Ten budging on AAU. However, maybe ND gets invited to AAU then Big Ten to follow. Biggest impediment is lack of medical school and the massive amount of NIH funding that most research med schools get (if you think med school dean’s biggest priority is student education, most places that is at best third (research and patient care (which drives the clinical research $$)). The vast majority of AAU schools have med schools.
My guess: once ND gets into AAU, that will be the signal the BIG TEN membership is to follow.
The B1G has been trying to get Notre Dame since they added Penn State, but ND doesn’t want to put their football team in a conference. That seems to be the deal breaker. AAU membership is not needed. Football TV revenue is.
I don't know a lot about conferences and college football, so can someone please explain to me why academics and being a research/AAU member is so important for letting someone into the Big Ten? We're talking athletics here. I would think whoever brings in the most eyeballs and $$ for a TV contract would be the only thing that matters.
I don’t know a lot about conferences and college football, so can someone please explain to me why academics and being a research/AAU member is so important for letting someone into the Big Ten? We’re talking athletics here. I would think whoever brings in the most eyeballs and $$ for a TV contract would be the only thing that matters.
The Big Ten is not just an athletic conference.
I don’t know a lot about conferences and college football, so can someone please explain to me why academics and being a research/AAU member is so important for letting someone into the Big Ten? We’re talking athletics here. I would think whoever brings in the most eyeballs and $$ for a TV contract would be the only thing that matters.
As Bert said The Big Ten is more than just an athletic conference, it is an academic confederation as well. Se of the most prestigious schools outside the ivies are part of it along with large land grant schools and they bring in hundreds of millions in grant and research money.
That used to matter more than athletics but now things have changed. The CIC just doesn't matter as much as it used to. (Ask the University of Chicago who left in 2016) Football drives the bus now.
After the new adds how many B1G teams are not AAU?
I don’t know a lot about conferences and college football, so can someone please explain to me why academics and being a research/AAU member is so important for letting someone into the Big Ten? We’re talking athletics here. I would think whoever brings in the most eyeballs and $$ for a TV contract would be the only thing that matters.
As Bert said The Big Ten is more than just an athletic conference, it is an academic confederation as well. Se of the most prestigious schools outside the ivies are part of it along with large land grant schools and they bring in hundreds of millions in grant and research money.
That used to matter more than athletics but now things have changed. The CIC just doesn’t matter as much as it used to. (Ask the University of Chicago who left in 2016) Football drives the bus now.
With NILs, Superconferences, etc etc...it's a different business model now.
The NILs make a difference just because of the eyes on that individual athlete/recruit, and to have eyes, you need TV contracts, etc etc etc. The B1G and SEC will soon rule them all, IMO.
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After the new adds how many B1G teams are not AAU?
Still just 1… Nebraska.
And, as has been pointed out, Nebraska was AAU when they joined, and lost their century-plus membership later when AAU decided that the Medical School being at UNO and a focus on Agricultural research wasn't enough to qualify.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
After the new adds how many B1G teams are not AAU?
Still just 1… Nebraska.
N…..knowledge….ya’ll know the punchline….
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That's what I thought - just 1.
After the new adds how many B1G teams are not AAU?
Still just 1… Nebraska.
N…..knowledge….ya’ll know the punchline….
The only one I know goes “if you wanna go to college but you ain’t got the knowledge….
(….if you wanna go to college st cloud state) #missingappropriatesmilies
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Players will be fine from the Cali universities playing in the cold.
I don’t agree. But they will be blessed with later start times and there aren’t that many games in college football that are truly cold.
The late starts are going to suck. A 7pm kickoff in LA would by a 9pm in Mpls and 10pm in eastern time zone universities. Imo, it’s easier for a player to adjust to playing in a colder climate than hot. Though I agree, there aren’t that many really cold games in November in Minnesota or other BIG northern universities like a cold NFL Playoff game in Jan. Plus I’m pretty sure the BIG doesn’t have kickoffs past 3pm in Nov.
Keep your stick on the ice...
After the new adds how many B1G teams are not AAU?
Still just 1… Nebraska.
N…..knowledge….ya’ll know the punchline….
The only one I know goes “if you wanna go to college but you ain’t got the knowledge….
(….if you wanna go to college st cloud state) #missingappropriatesmilies
The “N” on the flag stands for Knowledge…
How would I know that, I didn’t get an education at Nebraska! 😉
Players will be fine from the Cali universities playing in the cold.
I don’t agree. But they will be blessed with later start times and there aren’t that many games in college football that are truly cold.
The late starts are going to suck. A 7pm kickoff in LA would by a 9pm in Mpls and 10pm in eastern time zone universities. Imo, it’s easier for a player to adjust to playing in a colder climate than hot. Though I agree, there aren’t that many really cold games in November in Minnesota or other BIG northern universities like a cold NFL Playoff game in Jan. Plus I’m pretty sure the BIG doesn’t have kickoffs past 3pm in Nov.
That and it'll help that they'd have the sunny sideline for 11AM kickoffs.
Okay, so maybe it won't happen their first November visits to the Twin Cities, but unless they have some scheduling rule put in place that allows them to avoid games here after Halloween, they're going to see a bitter cold snap sometime, especially when every few years there's at least one game here where the temperature at kickoff is below 25 or so degrees.
We actually might be due for one since the last one I recall offhand was Veterans Day Weekend 2018 against Purdue. I remember that one well because, long story short, I brought an Iraq War vet who, despite being a Minnesotan, had gotten used to desert weather in both Iraq and El Paso, TX where he had been stationed.
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Players will be fine from the Cali universities playing in the cold.
I don’t agree. But they will be blessed with later start times and there aren’t that many games in college football that are truly cold.
The late starts are going to suck. A 7pm kickoff in LA would by a 9pm in Mpls and 10pm in eastern time zone universities. Imo, it’s easier for a player to adjust to playing in a colder climate than hot. Though I agree, there aren’t that many really cold games in November in Minnesota or other BIG northern universities like a cold NFL Playoff game in Jan. Plus I’m pretty sure the BIG doesn’t have kickoffs past 3pm in Nov.
That and it’ll help that they’d have the sunny sideline for 11AM kickoffs.
Okay, so maybe it won’t happen their first November visits to the Twin Cities, but unless they have some scheduling rule put in place that allows them to avoid games here after Halloween, they’re going to see a bitter cold snap sometime, especially when every few years there’s at least one game here where the temperature at kickoff is below 25 or so degrees.
We actually might be due for one since the last one I recall offhand was Veterans Day Weekend 2018 against Purdue. I remember that one well because, long story short, I brought an Iraq War vet who, despite being a Minnesotan, had gotten used to desert weather in both Iraq and El Paso, TX where he had been stationed.
Yes but the last week of the season is usually slated for a rivalry game. Through mid Nov it’s usually fairly decent.
I have to say I am thankful the Gophers were part of the Big Ten prior to conferences starting to realign. Let's face it, if we hadn't already been seated at the table it would be highly unlikely that we would be invited. We would be in the same situation as Washington State and Oregon State. Scrambling trying to find a way to not be relegated to a second tier conference.
I have to say I am thankful the Gophers were part of the Big Ten prior to conferences starting to realign. Let’s face it, if we hadn’t already been seated at the table it would be highly unlikely that we would be invited. We would be in the same situation as Washington State and Oregon State. Scrambling trying to find a way to not be relegated to a second tier conference.
I think U Washington or Georgia Tech are better comparables. Major public research universities in a top-20 TV market who had a strong historical football run, but has been an afterthought recently.
But I totally agree. The B1G is definitely the place to be right now.
At the risk of lighting a huge fire, those that suggested we thumb our nose at the B1G and stay in the WCHA should be pretty quiet now, as $100 million a year buys a lot of stuff. Hard to see Mariucci renovations get done next summer without the promise of B1G money coming in.
The trickle down effect is captivating. It seems the PAC 10's future is being written as we speak and long term it doesn't look good for the conference. Same with the Big 12. It will be interesting to see if the ACC quickly jumps into the expansion world or if they end up in the blender of conference reorganization.
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It's going to be a 2 conference system soon. Anyone not part of the Big Ten or SEC will be relegated to a second tier. If those two conferences are generous they might keep a playoff spot for a non-member just to save face. The days of the ncaa running a football championship are soon over. More interesting will be how this spills over into basketball and the effect that has.
The days of the ncaa running a football championship are soon over.
They do not run the top tear in football... All these "championships" have not been "NCAA Championships"... They are "BCS" and all those different names over the years. Not sanctioned by the NCAA.
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I did not realize that. Thanks for clarifying.
It’s going to be a 2 conference system soon. Anyone not part of the Big Ten or $EC will be relegated to a second tier. If those two conferences are generous they might keep a playoff spot for a non-member just to save face. The days of the ncaa running a football championship are soon over. More interesting will be how this spills over into basketball and the effect that has.
If we get to a two-conference system, we may just have a situation where the B1G winner plays the $EC winner for the de facto national championship, and that is that. Unless they have antitrust problems, they won't let anyone else in.
All the money of that game gets split between the B1G and the $EC. Not sharing with anyone else.
Hooboy.
UCF will still claim they are National Champions.
I've been listening to a bunch of the shows on YouTube and a lot of the talk is just wait-and-see since the "Power Five leftovers" are going to make their own moves in the coming months or years, but the consensus is that this is the end of having 5 dominant conferences. "Super 2" is being thrown around a lot, but these analysts are leaving the door open to a potential "Super 3" if two of the leftover conferences build a formal alliance even if that alliance is a distant third behind the B1G and the SEC.
Unsurprisingly everyone's talking about this in terms of football and men's basketball, but I am surprised that none of the shows I've listened to have mentioned any non-revenue sports whatsoever. Unless of course the were briefly mentioned when I was running the blender or flushing the toilet or something.
Other things mentioned worth noting:
- NIL and the weakness of the NCAA were significant factors
- Where away games are played will now be a bigger part of recruiting SoCal players
- B1G schools would argue that they get to play in front of family/friends at games at USC/UCLA
- Pac-12 schools would argue it's a lot easier and cheaper for family/friends to drive all over the West Coast than fly as far as New Jersey
- B1G accepting Oregon and Washington seems unlikely since that would probably just shrink the BTN payout for existing members, could look elsewhere (in addition to Notre Dame)
- A ton of talk about Lincoln Riley and how he'll be a B1G coach with USC before his previous employer, Oklahoma, will be an SEC school
- Pac-12 media deal effectively thrown into chaos
- Too early to tell what this will do to bowls and the CFP
And that's just the stuff I can recall at 1:30AM on a Sunday morning.
Both UCLA and USC have Indoor Track & Field teams in the MPSF that will presumably move to the B1G. Men's Volleyball and Water Polo should stay in the MPSF. Everything I read implies their Beach Volleyball teams will stay in the Pac-12 (awkward).
And we've already touched on the potential for USC and UCLA (more the latter) elevating their club hockey teams to varsity status.
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I can see a 3rd conference forming after the BIG and SEC is done. It’ll be something like the BIG 12 and have it split in 2 pods of east and west. There’s still several colleges that can bring something to the table that aren’t already in the BIG and SEC. And half of the colleges already in the BIG and SEC, should be counting their blessings. Cause they wouldn’t included if it was another conference building a super conference.
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This is getting crazy...
- The Big 12 have talks with Pac-12 colleges, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington.
- The Pac-12 and ACC exploring a TV partnership. Which could lead to a championship game featuring the Pac-12 champion against the ACC champion.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Dan Patrick thinks the SEC will go after Clemson, Florida State and Miami to hold supremacy over their Big Ten rival.
Dan Patrick Thinks SEC Will Go After 3 Major Programs (msn.com)
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Potentially could learn more about expansion from ND soon. Interesting that they mention it in their headline.
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ESPN out of the new Big Ten TV Contract. Sounds like for football it will be:
NBC huh...I am not saying this will happen but quite a few people thought if NBC got the rights to Big Ten games that would be the final dominoe for Notre Dame since they have a contract with NBC. ESPN will not blackball all talk of the Big Ten just like they did when hockey left ESPN. (not that I care I watch exactly one show on ESPN and it has a Big Ten guy on it PTI)
Again I am not saying Notre Dame will join (or that I want them to) but things did line up better for them.
Increasing and ongoing consolidation of conferences will probably equal more conference games. At least that is my guess. More conference games makes it harder for independents to schedule quality components which means independents are going to have a tougher time scheduling games against meaningful opponents. Ultimately this means for schools like Notre Dame is their strength of schedule could get weaker which will hurt them at BSC time.
Obviously a lot of speculations but if I'm Notre Dame I'd want to act fast or they could be on the outside looking in while playing a schedule of MAC like teams and the Detroilet Bowl...with their games on The Ocho.
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Well NBC will never cancel their deal...it is a great value for them.
Notre Dame makes a whopping $15M-$22M per year from NBC currently.
UMN and the rest of the B1G will likely make over $100M per year after this deal is finalized.
The Golden Domers cannot afford to be that far behind and stay relevant on a national stage. This isn't Rockne's Barnstormers anymore-- it is a new world order in college football, and if Notre Dame doesn't join up, they will be left behind. Imagine their TV schedule without any of the B1G teams or possibly Stanford and USC-- it would be a yawner, especially since the $EC schools won't play them either. Nobody under age 70 would believe Notre Dame-Army is must-see-TV.
So Notre Dame's choice is to go $EC and play in a league where any rule is optional, or go to the B1G, which appears to at least pay lip service to the educational mission of a school. It's kind of a no-brainer for the Irish.
I might eat crow here, cause I've been pretty firm on the BIG only looking for AAU colleges to join the BIG in it's expansion. Though if there is one college/university that the BIG would compromise for would be Notre Dame. Plus Notre Dame wants nothing to do with SEC Football. It's not their narrative or style. And like SkiUMahLaw mentioned, Notre Dame doesn't want to risk losing it's rivalries UCS, Stanford (if they join the BIG), Purdue and bring back games vs. Michigan and Michigan State.
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I might eat crow here, cause I’ve been pretty firm on the BIG only looking for AAU colleges to join the BIG in it’s expansion. Though if there is one college/university that the BIG would compromise for would be Notre Dame. Plus Notre Dame wants nothing to do with SEC Football. It’s not their narrative or style. And like SkiUMahLaw mentioned, Notre Dame doesn’t want to risk losing it’s rivalries UCS, Stanford (if they join the BIG), Purdue and bring back games vs. Michigan and Michigan State.
My take is the AAU is not critical for athletics any longer. AAU colleges (and the NCAA) have already shown that athletics are no longer an academic concern. Yes, there is big money in the AAU and research side, but why does this have to be tied to athletic concerns? Athletic conferences could be a separate identity from academic affiliation. It seems that we keep trying to tie academics and athletics together much more than is happening in reality.
I might eat crow here, cause I’ve been pretty firm on the BIG only looking for AAU colleges to join the BIG in it’s expansion. Though if there is one college/university that the BIG would compromise for would be Notre Dame. Plus Notre Dame wants nothing to do with SEC Football. It’s not their narrative or style. And like SkiUMahLaw mentioned, Notre Dame doesn’t want to risk losing it’s rivalries UCS, Stanford (if they join the BIG), Purdue and bring back games vs. Michigan and Michigan State.
My take is the AAU is not critical for athletics any longer. AAU colleges (and the NCAA) have already shown that athletics are no longer an academic concern. Yes, there is big money in the AAU and research side, but why does this have to be tied to athletic concerns? Athletic conferences could be a separate identity from academic affiliation. It seems that we keep trying to tie academics and athletics together much more than is happening in reality.
I'm not sure you're giving the AAU side of things enough credit in how important it actually is to a university. I'm not saying it will restrict Notre Dame from being admitted but they're not going to go completely ignore its importance on a widespread basis.
A good question to get answered is what, if anything does B1G conference affiliation do for each school, outside of athletics?
Why is it important to Minnesota that any new conference members be AAU members? How does it impact the U on the academic side?