The NHL GM's are discussing changing the rule that concerns a 5 minute penalty. Now a 5 can only be dropped to a 2. They are discussing being able to eliminating the penalty altogether. Hopefully that passes and is passed down to college hockey.
So, when reviewing an on-ice call for a potential major, if they realize it was a clean hit, just waving off the penalty completely and new faceoff at center?
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
The NHL GM's are discussing changing the rule that concerns a 5 minute penalty. Now a 5 can only be dropped to a 2. They are discussing being able to eliminating the penalty altogether. Hopefully that passes and is passed down to college hockey.
So, when reviewing an on-ice call for a potential major, if they realize it was a clean hit, just waving off the penalty completely and new faceoff at center?
Yes. That is what they are proposing. Not sure if it will happen, but they are discussing it. With the NHL, they seem to take a slow approach with these until it happens in a Game 7, then all of a sudden it is a priority.
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Seems logical that they should be able to eventually get the call right after a review.
Seems logical that they should be able to eventually get the call right after a review.
Especially when the call is for a hit to the head, and you realize that not only was in not a direct hit to the head, but the only actual contact was at the hips and it was a legal check.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
Right, if they're already reviewing it you might as well let them get it all the way right instead of still wrong while pissing off everyone 
Looking for a report to confirm but I believe Senators owner Eugene Melnyk just died.
Looking for a report to confirm but I believe Senators owner Eugene Melnyk just died.
TSN confirming
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Throwing another log onto the "The NHL has an officiating problem" fire. This one is unbelievable.
Agreed. Unbelievable that refs would miss a penalty
Missing the penalty is one thing but missing it and then falling off a goal for a retaliation is hilariously bad.
Throwing another log onto the "The NHL has an officiating problem" fire. This one is unbelievable.
I am not saying this isn't unfortunate/questionable. Just curious what your solution would be.
Get better officials? From where? Ask any fan of an ECHL/AHL team, they think the officials there are worse. NCAA fans think their officials suck. USHL/NAHL/SPHL fans think those officials are garbage. HS/Youth parents and fans all think they could do a better job than the people on the ice... What is the solution? Because apparently all the officials, everywhere suck at their jobs.
I have long taken issue with who the NHL seems to hire. Look at the number of Canadian Officials compared to anyone else. Up until a few years ago, there were only 7 Americans on the full-time roster. You seem the same officials working big games/playoffs year after year. Not just at the NHL but in NCAA. (Go back and see if you can find one UM-UND game that Marco Hunt and Derek Shepard did not officiate). As per my other posts, I don't think the NHL feels it has an officiating problem, and/or does not have a solution.
The NHL (and NCAA and minor pro leagues) have a big push to get former players interested in officiating and becoming officials. They are allowing former players to bypass a lot of training that your average official would have to go through. (By former players I mean high Level former players, NCAA D-1 and above, nearly all officials played at some level). I don't know if that is a good solution or not.
I also think fans of all sports think there officials are terrible. NBA, NFL, MLB... all have similar complaints. The NHL's officiating problem is no better or worse than any of the other 3 major North American Sports.
Just as an FYI, minor pro hockey officials don't get paid that well. The first time they make anything is when you get on an NHL contract, while still working in the AHL. And them many guys don't even last 8 games in the NHL. So you have to make 20k-30k a year officiating full time for several, bouncing around leagues, not having a permanent residence, putting in significant windshield time on a hope and a prayer that the NHL will have you on the radar AND have an opening. Most of those guys don't/can't have families and eventually get burnt out before they hit 30. There are several B1G officials now who were on NHL radar for several years, but never got the call. I get it, it's no different than the players who bounce around minor pro leagues hoping to make it to the NHL ~ most never do. However, people seem to accept mistakes from players more readily, whereas officials are expected to never make mistakes. Lots of very good, young officials see that road ahead of them and move on. They'd rather start a career and make some money than chase an enormous what-if.
Missing the penalty is one thing but missing it and then falling off a goal for a retaliation is hilariously bad.
They didn't "call off a goal" the play was stopped once the puck reached Ovechkin because of the called penalty on Oshie. Don't get me wrong - the refs absolutely screwed up otherwise to that point but the stoppage was correct.
Throwing another log onto the "The NHL has an officiating problem" fire. This one is unbelievable.
I am not saying this isn't unfortunate/questionable. Just curious what your solution would be.
Get better officials? From where? Ask any fan of an ECHL/AHL team, they think the officials there are worse. NCAA fans think their officials suck. USHL/NAHL/SPHL fans think those officials are garbage. HS/Youth parents and fans all think they could do a better job than the people on the ice... What is the solution? Because apparently all the officials, everywhere suck at their jobs.
I have long taken issue with who the NHL seems to hire. Look at the number of Canadian Officials compared to anyone else. Up until a few years ago, there were only 7 Americans on the full-time roster. You seem the same officials working big games/playoffs year after year. Not just at the NHL but in NCAA. (Go back and see if you can find one UM-UND game that Marco Hunt and Derek Shepard did not officiate). As per my other posts, I don't think the NHL feels it has an officiating problem, and/or does not have a solution.
The NHL (and NCAA and minor pro leagues) have a big push to get former players interested in officiating and becoming officials. They are allowing former players to bypass a lot of training that your average official would have to go through. (By former players I mean high Level former players, NCAA D-1 and above, nearly all officials played at some level). I don't know if that is a good solution or not.
I also think fans of all sports think there officials are terrible. NBA, NFL, MLB... all have similar complaints. The NHL's officiating problem is no better or worse than any of the other 3 major North American Sports.
Just as an FYI, minor pro hockey officials don't get paid that well. The first time they make anything is when you get on an NHL contract, while still working in the AHL. And them many guys don't even last 8 games in the NHL. So you have to make 20k-30k a year officiating full time for several, bouncing around leagues, not having a permanent residence, putting in significant windshield time on a hope and a prayer that the NHL will have you on the radar AND have an opening. Most of those guys don't/can't have families and eventually get burnt out before they hit 30. There are several B1G officials now who were on NHL radar for several years, but never got the call. I get it, it's no different than the players who bounce around minor pro leagues hoping to make it to the NHL ~ most never do. However, people seem to accept mistakes from players more readily, whereas officials are expected to never make mistakes. Lots of very good, young officials see that road ahead of them and move on. They'd rather start a career and make some money than chase an enormous what-if.
The solution at the lower/local levels is simple. Money. Nothing will change until schedulers actually have options. That's not going to happen until you make officiating a job that people want. It's become like the military where anyone who shows any ability at all is moved up the ranks until they reach a level where they are no longer competent. Then they stay at that level, and nobody is happy about it.
I agree with you that the NHL's problem has much more to do with the league than it does with the officials. The end result is still the same though, terribly officiated games done by officials with zero accountability.
To use the Staal/Oshie video above, what's worse- The idea that neither ref actually saw that play happen? Or, that neither ref felt that that play was something that should be a penalty in that situation? Either answer should result in those officials missing a paycheck or two.
Missing the penalty is one thing but missing it and then falling off a goal for a retaliation is hilariously bad.
They didn't "call off a goal" the play was stopped once the puck reached Ovechkin because of the called penalty on Oshie. Don't get me wrong - the refs absolutely screwed up otherwise to that point but the stoppage was correct.
It’s hard to know for sure whether Oshie retaliates if he sees a ref’s arm up but either way they totally blew it.
Missing the penalty is one thing but missing it and then falling off a goal for a retaliation is hilariously bad.
They didn't "call off a goal" the play was stopped once the puck reached Ovechkin because of the called penalty on Oshie. Don't get me wrong - the refs absolutely screwed up otherwise to that point but the stoppage was correct.
It’s hard to know for sure whether Oshie retaliates if he sees a ref’s arm up but either way they totally blew it.
Agreed - it's highly likely Oshie doesn't take a penalty if they call one for his stick being grabbed and tossed.
Although without going Zupruder on the bit (I'm not going back to watch again 
) if they do make that call it's not 100% certain the other team doesn't touch the puck before the 'goal' and it then never happens. 
I get that refs are hesitant to call holding the stick in small tussles/battles along the wall (half of which are called hooking, but are really holding the stick, they need to be calling this more often in general), but how do you miss that?
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
I just found a video of this. 
What game were they watching?
Throwing another log onto the "The NHL has an officiating problem" fire. This one is unbelievable.
I am not saying this isn't unfortunate/questionable. Just curious what your solution would be.
Get better officials? From where? Ask any fan of an ECHL/AHL team, they think the officials there are worse. NCAA fans think their officials suck. USHL/NAHL/SPHL fans think those officials are garbage. HS/Youth parents and fans all think they could do a better job than the people on the ice... What is the solution? Because apparently all the officials, everywhere suck at their jobs.
I have long taken issue with who the NHL seems to hire. Look at the number of Canadian Officials compared to anyone else. Up until a few years ago, there were only 7 Americans on the full-time roster. You seem the same officials working big games/playoffs year after year. Not just at the NHL but in NCAA. (Go back and see if you can find one UM-UND game that Marco Hunt and Derek Shepard did not officiate). As per my other posts, I don't think the NHL feels it has an officiating problem, and/or does not have a solution.
The NHL (and NCAA and minor pro leagues) have a big push to get former players interested in officiating and becoming officials. They are allowing former players to bypass a lot of training that your average official would have to go through. (By former players I mean high Level former players, NCAA D-1 and above, nearly all officials played at some level). I don't know if that is a good solution or not.
I also think fans of all sports think there officials are terrible. NBA, NFL, MLB... all have similar complaints. The NHL's officiating problem is no better or worse than any of the other 3 major North American Sports.
Just as an FYI, minor pro hockey officials don't get paid that well. The first time they make anything is when you get on an NHL contract, while still working in the AHL. And them many guys don't even last 8 games in the NHL. So you have to make 20k-30k a year officiating full time for several, bouncing around leagues, not having a permanent residence, putting in significant windshield time on a hope and a prayer that the NHL will have you on the radar AND have an opening. Most of those guys don't/can't have families and eventually get burnt out before they hit 30. There are several B1G officials now who were on NHL radar for several years, but never got the call. I get it, it's no different than the players who bounce around minor pro leagues hoping to make it to the NHL ~ most never do. However, people seem to accept mistakes from players more readily, whereas officials are expected to never make mistakes. Lots of very good, young officials see that road ahead of them and move on. They'd rather start a career and make some money than chase an enormous what-if.
Sounds like they need to commit to training and paying refs better and make it something people want to stick with. NHL needs to put up the money.
The solution at the lower/local levels is simple. Money. Nothing will change until schedulers actually have options. That's not going to happen until you make officiating a job that people want. It's become like the military where anyone who shows any ability at all is moved up the ranks until they reach a level where they are no longer competent. Then they stay at that level, and nobody is happy about it.
I agree with you that the NHL's problem has much more to do with the league than it does with the officials. The end result is still the same though, terribly officiated games done by officials with zero accountability.
To use the Staal/Oshie video above, what's worse- The idea that neither ref actually saw that play happen? Or, that neither ref felt that that play was something that should be a penalty in that situation? Either answer should result in those officials missing a paycheck or two.
Thank you for the response. I am in agreement with that.
It is a chicken/egg argument every year at lower levels. We don't want to pay the officials any more than we already are, they aren't good enough to deserve higher pay. But that process is pretty accurate, guys get quickly advanced until they reach a level where they are in, even if just slightly, over their heads. Happened to me too. A cup of coffee (more like a shot of espresso) in the ECHL was eye opening.
Until the league takes an active interest in improving/changing the officiating process, nothing will change. I wouldn't say zero accountability because I am sure "Something" has to happen at times, it is just never made public. I used to know 2 officials who worked in the league, trained with one in the off season, and neither were keen on talking about discipline.
I will say this, fines are a difficult thing at levels that are not the NHL. In NCAA and Minor Pro (SPHL, former CHL, etc.) they only thing you would get fined for is a flat out misapplication of the rules. You assessed a 5:00 penalty for something where a 5:00 wasn't an option, something like that. In the USHL I was fined $50 once. You cannot really fine people for judgement/discretion - that gets to be a really tricky area, especially when the pay isn't that good to begin with. In the NHL with Referees on contracts and making 6 figure salaries, there might be easier ways to do "claw-backs" fines, etc.
At NCAA, USHL, and Minor Pro levels, the bigger punishment they have is loss of games. You can get pulled from a series, sit out a few games, etc. That essentially is a fine of future earnings. It also sends a message. HOWEVER - at every level of hockey I have seen, once you have been around - you don't get this punishment even after you screw up... I got 2 weekends pulled from me in NCAA over an intentional offsides call, one that nobody on the ice complained about, but the supervisor of officials didn't like. Yet I watch games, see more egregious things happen, and those same officials work the next weekend. Accountability is extremely uneven at all levels of officiating. I have to believe the NHL isn't any different, and is possibly worse.
I do know, as of 5 years ago, the NHL was constantly sending out video clips of interpretations, suggestions, etc. Guys would wake up the morning after a game and have 5-6 video clips to go through at breakfast. There were weekly rule quizzes, and you had to get a certain score or you were fined - however the fines were small and the amounts went to the NHLOA Emergency Fund or something like that.
I do know at higher levels of hockey, many officials are automatically out before they ever get a chance. The NHL won't even look at you as a Linesman if you are under 6'-0". They are so caught up with "You have to break up fights, separate players" etc. that they aren't interested in linesman under that height. You have some 5'-10" guys who are great skaters, know the game well, just aren't 6'-0". Referees is similar, although there are exceptions like Kyle Rehman for example - playing professional hockey somewhere will buy you some grace in that department.
I remember early on asking a Junior Hockey supervisor what it would take to work pro hockey, his response "Move to Hershey, PA and I guarantee you'll have a pro schedule immediately." Lower leagues want to minimize travel expenses, so ECHL/AHL is big on using local linesman and regional referees (The guys on NHL officiating contracts, whose travel is paid by the NHL, being the exception). And there are parts of the country where if you have a pulse, and can skate, you can probably step on the ice and work an AHL or ECHL game. The AHL and ECHL are interested in taking chances on officials from other parts of the country and trying them out for a few games. They'd rather stick to their low cost local guys than put a guy on a plane and pick up a few hotel rooms. So yeah, the money problem starts at the bottom and continues until you reach the NHL.
Even at NCAA, its good money (at D-1) for a nice side gig. But you've got to have a job who is cool with you leaving early most Fridays in the winter, and the occasional Thursday. The shift to remote work has certainly helped in that regard, but a previous employer (Lifetime Fitness) called my officiating side jobs "An unnecessary distraction" after I used PTO to work the Boys State Tournament. I left that job about a month later. So not all jobs are cool with it. The NCAA is a landing spot for most officials, I haven't heard of one who has gone UP from the NCAA to the NHL. While a lot of them are coming back down from Minor Pro, or even a taste of the NHL, to work NCAA games. Would it benefit the NHL to inject the NCAA Officiating Program with some cash and treat it as part of a development program? I don't know, just asking the question.
When I worked in the WCHA, pay was $215 for Linesman, and $395 for Referees per game. If you were one of the lucky few who got a full schedule, say 20-24~ish games, you'd make somewhere between $5,000 and $10,000. That's a cool side job, but a far cry from a fulltime job. And what are your expectations for skill level for someone who does something on the side, say home remodeling, instead of their full-time job? Just some perspective.
I agree, the incident in the Capitals game (among others) deserves some discussion, and some consequences. You cannot have things like that go that direction. I just wonder if the league actually cares. (Personally, depending on the game, I'd have no problem with 2 non-calls there... Or minors for both of them). I think people would be more upset than they are now if officials called everything "by the book". Now, admittedly, I have watched so few games this year I cannot comment on some of it. Like Cross-checking being a point of emphasis was pointed out to me in another thread - I had no idea. So maybe it is significantly worse this year than any other year and I am just not seeing it - which is a typically referee excuse "didn't see it" haha.
How it started...then late in the game Beagle destroyed Troy Terry. You can tell which side the announcers are on. Also, a couple of former Gophers make cameos in the 2nd video.
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Phil won't catch him this year as he is 21 games behind with only 14 left to play this year.
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The Devils are destroying the Panthers right now 6-2 in the second
Aloha!
The Devils are destroying the Panthers right now 6-2 in the second
This didn't age well. The dreaded GPL curse.
Panthers win 7-6 in OT
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This is just inredible:
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A good thread from Chris Pronger explaining why pro athletes have financial issues despite fairly high salaries. I only posted the first tweet of a thread.
https://twitter.com/chrispronger/status/1511061515956551682?s=21&t=KAlRD4dpkGiPcZA_Pghosw
"How to Manage Finances" should be a required class in high school.
"How to Manage Finances" should be a required class in high school.
Each team should have a finance person dedicated to helping players ensure this does not happen.
"How to Manage Finances" should be a required class in high school.
Took a math class in high school very similar. From balancing a check book to the stock market. It was great... learned more out that class then Algebra 1 and 2.
Keep your stick on the ice...
"How to Manage Finances" should be a required class in high school.
Took a math class in high school very similar. From balancing a check book to the stock market. It was great... learned more out that class then Algebra 1 and 2.
I still balance my checkbook..
Just noticed that Haula is on Bostons roster, is he playing regularly?
Just noticed that Haula is on Bostons roster, is he playing regularly?
Yes, centering the 2nd line
https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1512963137070415881?s=20&t=FW0BNuFAujBZO60VXBWTFg
Auston Matthews scoring for fun these days.
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Might be a long night for the Kings.
This is so brilliant.
https://twitter.com/oilersdaybyday/status/1514408148500688896?s=21&t=drSLYGz6LHq_uTC0j0NzJQ
“When your best friend is the son of God, you get tired of losing every argument.”
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This is the first time I’ve seen Florida, damn they’re good
Jack Eichel and missing the playoffs, name a more iconic duo
Jack Eichel and missing the playoffs, name a more iconic duo
Bonin21 and whiny negativity
Jack Eichel and missing the playoffs, name a more iconic duo
Bonin21 and whiny negativity
That was on a tee, eh? :popcorn:
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My all time favorite ?
https://twitter.com/canadiensmtl/status/1516484149787381764?s=21&t=tyPx9QzHTem4f7pgQ0Wm9w
“When your best friend is the son of God, you get tired of losing every argument.”
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Forgive my ignorance, but what happened?
Forgive my ignorance, but what happened?
He has been battling lung cancer for years and it is getting towards the end stage. Some in the over jealous Canadian media are ready to report his death so his family and the Canadians are hoping they back off.
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Forgive my ignorance, but what happened?
He’s apparently fighting cancer and recently stopped treatment. Per some Twitter posts.
Those between shift heaters could be haunting him.
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My all time favorite ?
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Super Sky Point to that Beauty
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Roses have thorns, eh.
I had forgotten about that, awesome ad!
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Interesting that the top 4 D for the NYR (a red white and blue team) are all NTDP guys. Miller/Trouba/Fox/Lindgren
Alex Ovechkin scores his 50th goal of the season for the 9th time, tying Gretzky and Mike Bossy. Gretzky ended his career with 894 and Ovi is currently at 780. Only 114 shy of the all time goal record and at 36 Ovi most likely will break Gretzky's goal record. Though Gretzky's assists record at 1,963 and points at 2,857 may never be touched.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Alex Ovechkin scores his 50th goal of the season for the 9th time, tying Gretzky and Mike Bossy. Gretzky ended his career with 894 and Ovi is currently at 780. Only 114 shy of the all time goal record and at 36 Ovi most likely will break Gretzky’s goal record. Though Gretzky’s assists record at 1,963 and points at 2,857 may never be touched.
Also worth noting he's come up just shy of 50 goals in a season three times in his career so the fact that he could've potentially had twelve, 50 goal seasons by the age of 36 is insane.
('19-'20) 48G; 68GP (covid yr)
('17-'18) 49G; 82GP
('06-'07) 46G; 82GP
Hard to imagine anyone getting remotely close to Gretzky's assist/point totals.