My problem with 12 over 8 is four place teams making the playoff.
BTW I also hate the mega conferences where each season you only play half of the teams in your conference this also causes a bunch of match ups to only be played one in 3 or 4 years.
I wouldn't be surprised if the ACC causes a stink (deservingly so) but it will become an after thought when Florida State and Clemson leave the ACC soon.
The Power Two (SEC and Big Ten) clearly don't care about the other conferences and they have most of the power.
This sums up the NCAA vs. the NFL
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1731369023424618523
In theory, sure, almost anything could potentially be investigated by the DOJ. But, it would require some evidence of actual corruption, such as members of the committee being literally paid off by somebody to make sure the SEC makes the playoff, or something similar.I wonder if there will be any legal ramifications for this season, like if FSU could sue and win or if corruption could be looked into by the DOJ.
Just being stupid and stuck in the mindset of "SEC is best conference. SEC must make playoff" is so far below the threshold, that you'd need a telescope looking up to see the line.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
In theory, sure, almost anything could potentially be investigated by the DOJ. But, it would require some evidence of actual corruption, such as members of the committee being literally paid off by somebody to make sure the SEC makes the playoff, or something similar.I wonder if there will be any legal ramifications for this season, like if FSU could sue and win or if corruption could be looked into by the DOJ.
Just being stupid and stuck in the mindset of "SEC is best conference. SEC must make playoff" is so far below the threshold, that you'd need a telescope looking up to see the line.
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.
And I'm laughing at all the pro-Bama people saying "FSU doesn't have a QB!" Um, that just means that going undefeated was that much more of a task, and yet they did it.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
To be honest, even if you think you've got a good line on solid evidence, that's probably enough. I don't think that's the case here. I think this is simply "SEC has been best conference so long. SEC must still be best conference. SEC must be in playoff, even over undefeated P5 team"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.
If stupidity was something DOJ could investigate... we'd need to increase their investigative staff by probably 100x
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
This is the most surprising of all results but I love the message it sends.
Stop playing bullsh**t teams. FSU had a garbage SOS. A mediocre conference with a 1AA game.
they scheduled two SEC non-conference games and won both of them. This is factually incorrect.
probably shouldn't have scheduled a 1AA school then.
FSU's KRACH SOS was middle of the pack across all teams at around 60-65. So yeah, I'll stand by my statement.
(I use KRACH because it's something we all know.)
Big time schools (the Bamas, tOSUs, etc) won't schedule the FSUs, Boise Sts, etc) because it's a no win situation. If they win, whee, they were supposed to. If they lose, goodbye playoffs. So FSU (and yes, Liberty) have no chance at the playoffs. It's a BS argument to use scheduling for the playoffs. FSU did what they needed to do, and huh, the good ol' boys network still makes the choices. KRACH or PWR for football is needed.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Given that "KRACH" is, literally "Ken's Ratings for American College Hockey" it can't be KRACH. But, it's close enough... the methodology/math behind KRACH was one of the computer components for determining the BCS rankings.(I use KRACH because it's something we all know.)
I do completely agree that the methodology is the best I've been made aware of to compare teams with wildly different schedules.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
This is the most surprising of all results but I love the message it sends.
Stop playing bullsh**t teams. FSU had a garbage SOS. A mediocre conference with a 1AA game.
FSU scheduled LSU and Florida in their non-conference schedule. They beat both of them, including an utter dismantling of the best offense in college football. The ACC was obviously down overall but it's not like they lost the only real non-conference test they scheduled like Alabama did.
Florida was bad this year - 5-7. Not sure why you'd offer that as some sort of statement win?
I absolutely acknowledge that they beat LSU. Unfortunately that was the only marquee win. They had two solid wins against Clemson and Louisville, but after that it gets ugly. They only faced five opponents with winning records.
Alabama played seven and beat LSU, GA, and Mississippi. They also had two solid wins against Tennessee and A&M. yep, they lost to Texas. Hard for me to argue against that except they also had two additional marquee wins.
Texas is somewhat more difficult to explain. They had a better SOS mathematically but I'm not sure everyone will buy that. Anyways, they had one marquee win and one solid other win. But a loss against a very good Oklahoma. Otherwise their schedule only featured eight top 40 teams. FSU only played three.
Given that "KRACH" is, literally "Ken's Ratings for American College Hockey" it can't be KRACH. But, it's close enough... the methodology/math behind KRACH was one of the computer components for determining the BCS rankings.(I use KRACH because it's something we all know.)
I do completely agree that the methodology is the best I've been made aware of to compare teams with wildly different schedules.
KRACH is a name for baker-Bradley. It's a methodology Ken adopted for hockey. Maybe a slight tweak for home away.
Apparently that was the only game played all year … nothing else to consider here.
It wasn't. But if it comes down to 2 teams for 1 spot there seems to be a pretty easy way to determine who should get it when the 2 in question played each other already.
This i 100% agree with. If you can't play enough games to suss out which team is better in a straight comparison, you have to use head to head.
To be honest, even if you think you've got a good line on solid evidence, that's probably enough. I don't think that's the case here. I think this is simply "SEC has been best conference so long. SEC must still be best conference. SEC must be in playoff, even over undefeated P5 team"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.
If stupidity was something DOJ could investigate... we'd need to increase their investigative staff by probably 100x
I mean, it still kind of is the best? Though, maybe not necessarily in a statistically meaningful way
Sagarin has all but the ACC as nearly identical. Massey and Wolfe as well. Wolfe and Massey give the edge to the SEC. Sagarin doesn't.
But the ACC is always at the bottom across every system I saw (there could be a system that puts them ahead of another conference, I just haven't seen it).
Do you have a site that has updated Bradley-Terry rankings after yesterday? The only one I'm seeing has after November 25, so is essentially useless in the current discussion.To be honest, even if you think you've got a good line on solid evidence, that's probably enough. I don't think that's the case here. I think this is simply "SEC has been best conference so long. SEC must still be best conference. SEC must be in playoff, even over undefeated P5 team"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.
If stupidity was something DOJ could investigate... we'd need to increase their investigative staff by probably 100x
I mean, it still kind of is the best? Though, maybe not necessarily in a statistically meaningful way
Sagarin has all but the ACC as nearly identical. Massey and Wolfe as well. Wolfe and Massey give the edge to the SEC. Sagarin doesn't.
But the ACC is always at the bottom across every system I saw (there could be a system that puts them ahead of another conference, I just haven't seen it).
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
Do you have a site that has updated Bradley-Terry rankings after yesterday? The only one I'm seeing has after November 25, so is essentially useless in the current discussion.To be honest, even if you think you've got a good line on solid evidence, that's probably enough. I don't think that's the case here. I think this is simply "SEC has been best conference so long. SEC must still be best conference. SEC must be in playoff, even over undefeated P5 team"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.
If stupidity was something DOJ could investigate... we'd need to increase their investigative staff by probably 100x
I mean, it still kind of is the best? Though, maybe not necessarily in a statistically meaningful way
Sagarin has all but the ACC as nearly identical. Massey and Wolfe as well. Wolfe and Massey give the edge to the SEC. Sagarin doesn't.
But the ACC is always at the bottom across every system I saw (there could be a system that puts them ahead of another conference, I just haven't seen it).
yeah, that's the site. I think the ratings are updated. Clicking into teams shows the actual ratings which reflect the Massey composite listing. BBT guy just needs to hit post on his own front page.
I mean if you want to argue that a week 2 game is the end all be all go ahead ?.Yeah it seems like they couldn’t decide between Texas and Bama so they just screwed Florida state. Was also thinking about how Ohio State’s only loss is to the now #1 team, guessing they didn’t have as many big wins as some of these other teams.
Yeah, must have been really hard to pick between Alabama and Texas. Like super, duper hard. I'm just not sure how you can differentiate between the two.
If there wasn't an undefeated team that deserved to make it over one of them you might have a point.
Head to head has to matter or what is the point of playing the friggin game?
There’s plenty of other criteria to evaluate, namely beating a team that hasn’t been beaten in 2 years in the last game of a conference championship vs losing in week 2 to a team that arguably has a worse overall body of work. Not saying TX is for sure less deserving, an argument could certainly be made for them. IDK why they wouldn’t just use computer models like pairwise and be done with it rather than having a committee come up with the most corrupt decision ever but here we are lol.Apparently that was the only game played all year … nothing else to consider here.
It wasn't. But if it comes down to 2 teams for 1 spot there seems to be a pretty easy way to determine who should get it when the 2 in question played each other already.
Because computers can't get it right either?
This is the most surprising of all results but I love the message it sends.
Stop playing bullsh**t teams. FSU had a garbage SOS. A mediocre conference with a 1AA game.
FSU scheduled LSU and Florida in their non-conference schedule. They beat both of them, including an utter dismantling of the best offense in college football. The ACC was obviously down overall but it's not like they lost the only real non-conference test they scheduled like Alabama did.
Florida was bad this year - 5-7. Not sure why you'd offer that as some sort of statement win?
I absolutely acknowledge that they beat LSU. Unfortunately that was the only marquee win. They had two solid wins against Clemson and Louisville, but after that it gets ugly. They only faced five opponents with winning records.
Alabama played seven and beat LSU, GA, and Mississippi. They also had two solid wins against Tennessee and A&M. yep, they lost to Texas. Hard for me to argue against that except they also had two additional marquee wins.
Texas is somewhat more difficult to explain. They had a better SOS mathematically but I'm not sure everyone will buy that. Anyways, they had one marquee win and one solid other win. But a loss against a very good Oklahoma. Otherwise their schedule only featured eight top 40 teams. FSU only played three.
I wasn't offering it as a statement win as much as disputing your statement that they scheduled a weak schedule. Non-conference games are scheduled like 7 years in advance (and FSU-Florida is played every year as a rivalry game anyways). Its not like FSU after week 4 could say "oof Florida sucks this year can we swap that game for Ole Miss instead?"
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I understand that zero people give a damn about the Hawkeyes and the predictable outcome of Saturday's game I'm just going to get a couple things off my chest for the last time this season.
- 98% of Hawkeye fans were not under the illusion that they were going to win the game. It would have been very fun though to throw a monkey wrench into the CFP which ended up being laughable anyway.
- Predictable as well was the fact that from the beginning of the game Fox Sports made it very clear that they were for Michigan and made every story about them.
- Iowa's offense is offensive to call it an offense. Deacon Hill is awful but only trailed JJ McCarthy in yards by 27.
- Special teams...only highlight was Koen Entriger whiffing the tackle initially on that 87 yard punt return, but chased the Michigan player down to push him out at the 5 yard line.
- Michigan scored 26 points but that is NO way an indication how well the Iowa defense played. Phil Parker should win the Broyles Award but will probably get screwed after an officials review.
- The refs can pound sand.
- I agree with Brian Ferentz flipping out...but now he can go pound sand.
No matter the outcome the Hawkeyes are my team and I will cheer them on no matter what. I am disappointed in how bad the offense was again this year but I am hopeful that with the removal of B. Ferentz that something will improve. That will take K. Ferentz giving up a little control of the offense to change it somewhat. It needs to move forward to make the team better because ST and Defense can't carry this program. Also if Iowa wants to sniff the top four in the conference at the end of the year moving forward they NEED to have an effective offense.
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If KF does retire, would Parker take the helm? I’m surprised he hasn’t left for elsewhere and been there since Fry left
This is the most surprising of all results but I love the message it sends.
Stop playing bullsh**t teams. FSU had a garbage SOS. A mediocre conference with a 1AA game.
FSU scheduled LSU and Florida in their non-conference schedule. They beat both of them, including an utter dismantling of the best offense in college football. The ACC was obviously down overall but it's not like they lost the only real non-conference test they scheduled like Alabama did.
Florida was bad this year - 5-7. Not sure why you'd offer that as some sort of statement win?
I absolutely acknowledge that they beat LSU. Unfortunately that was the only marquee win. They had two solid wins against Clemson and Louisville, but after that it gets ugly. They only faced five opponents with winning records.
Alabama played seven and beat LSU, GA, and Mississippi. They also had two solid wins against Tennessee and A&M. yep, they lost to Texas. Hard for me to argue against that except they also had two additional marquee wins.
Texas is somewhat more difficult to explain. They had a better SOS mathematically but I'm not sure everyone will buy that. Anyways, they had one marquee win and one solid other win. But a loss against a very good Oklahoma. Otherwise their schedule only featured eight top 40 teams. FSU only played three.
I wasn't offering it as a statement win as much as disputing your statement that they scheduled a weak schedule. Non-conference games are scheduled like 7 years in advance (and FSU-Florida is played every year as a rivalry game anyways). Its not like FSU after week 4 could say "oof Florida sucks this year can we swap that game for Ole Miss instead?"
I mean that's just a shitty break then. Probably shouldn't have scheduled a 1AA school.
If KF does retire, would Parker take the helm? I’m surprised he hasn’t left for elsewhere and been there since Fry left
It's the million dollar question. Personally I don't think Parker has any desire to be a head coach, but who knows other than him. The rumor is that Parker has been courted by several programs for a much higher wage, but I guess he is loyal to KF and Iowa and he makes a damn good wage for being one of the DC's in the country. Maybe he is just comfortable with the level scrutiny he is placed under at Iowa rather than a pressure cooker at a SEC program. I would hate to count how many coordinators Saban has had in his tenure at Alabama. Some move on to be a head coach, others are just burnt out.
It's one of the things that I really like about KF and other Iowa programs is the consistency of the coaching ranks over the years. Since the mid 80's Iowa programs have only had two football coaches, three wrestling coaches, four men's BB coaches, and three women's BB coaches. Each of those programs have been pretty successful under those coaches minus the Lickliter experiment.
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OU and OSU QBs in the portal. What a crazy time.
You could say the same about the SEC championship if Alabama has no way to get in after losing in week 2.I mean if you want to argue that a week 2 game is the end all be all go ahead ?.Yeah it seems like they couldn’t decide between Texas and Bama so they just screwed Florida state. Was also thinking about how Ohio State’s only loss is to the now #1 team, guessing they didn’t have as many big wins as some of these other teams.
Yeah, must have been really hard to pick between Alabama and Texas. Like super, duper hard. I'm just not sure how you can differentiate between the two.
If there wasn't an undefeated team that deserved to make it over one of them you might have a point.
Head to head has to matter or what is the point of playing the friggin game?
OU and OSU QBs in the portal. What a crazy time.
And the #2 recruit just decommited from OSU and flipped to UGA. Georgia had 2 of the top 5 QBs coming in
You could say the same about the SEC championship if Alabama has no way to get in after losing in week 2.I mean if you want to argue that a week 2 game is the end all be all go ahead ?.Yeah it seems like they couldn’t decide between Texas and Bama so they just screwed Florida state. Was also thinking about how Ohio State’s only loss is to the now #1 team, guessing they didn’t have as many big wins as some of these other teams.
Yeah, must have been really hard to pick between Alabama and Texas. Like super, duper hard. I'm just not sure how you can differentiate between the two.
If there wasn't an undefeated team that deserved to make it over one of them you might have a point.
Head to head has to matter or what is the point of playing the friggin game?
That argument is made a lot actually...its why a lot of fans didn't and don't support the farce of a tournament. Hell the Big Ten Title game had zero value because it was Michigan or no one likely from the Big Ten. (tOSU had a very outside chance) If Iowa wins they aren't sniffing the tournament.
And you know what people used to say made college football better than the NFL...that every game mattered. A loss in week 2 could derail your chances at a National Title. The CFP has basically killed it, burned it then drank turpentine and pissed on it.
The ultimate proof your argument holds no water is that most if not all conferences set up tie-breakers with head to head as the first and most important. If lets say the Gophers and Nebraska had ended up tied for the Big Ten West Title the Gophers are going to the title game because of head to head. That game was in week 1! By your logic the Big Ten should be allowed to decide that because that game was close and Nebraska was able to turn it around later they should get the bid. That is ridiculous. (I am only talking about a 2 way tie obviously) Back in the day, before conference expansion and realignment stuff like that was more acceptable. #1 tiebreaker for The Rose Bowl used to be "Who hasn't been there the longest" which is why Indiana made it in '67. The professionalization of college football made getting rid of stuff like that mandatory.
I get your argument, and there are scenarios where I can agree with you but this isn't one of them. (if all 3 had a loss, or if Bama had lost to Texas in Texas or if the undefeated team was a G5) You have 3 teams vying for 2 spots. All were conference champs of major conferences. 1 went undefeated. 2 have 1 loss. Logic dictates that the undefeated team should make it. So you have 2 teams vying for one spot. The two teams played and one beat the other. (on the road!) I mean it doesn't take a masters degree in Logic to figure this out...
And I know you think computers will make this better but they really won't. Just because an algorithm might say Alabama is better than Texas and FSU doesn't prove Alabama should make it over FSU. Bama might have the better metrics....THEY STILL LOST THE GAME TO TEXAS AND FSU IS UNDEFEATED! That has to matter more than what KenPom thinks I am sorry. The only stats that matter are wins and losses. The rest is just fans drinking copium and nerds trying to seem like they know better than the outcome because they can read probability models.
(all of this would have never been an issue if the CFP hadn't wanted to cash in on the idea of a "Final Four" despite having 5 major conferences)
OU and OSU QBs in the portal. What a crazy time.
And the #2 recruit just decommited from OSU and flipped to UGA. Georgia had 2 of the top 5 QBs coming in
So interesting. Clearly both can't start and both can't make $1M in NIL. Maybe they can but seems unlikely. Someone left an undefeated team who lost to their rival in the conference championship to go to an undefeated team who lost to their (lesser) rival in a conference championship. So strange.
Right, that’s a lot of words to say that your subjective opinion where a week 2 matchup carries more weight than beating better teams across a harder schedule is more important. Clearly the committee didn’t agree, it’s ok ?
The Congrove computer rankings has all the undefeated teams in and Georgia, which would make far more sense than what we have now but hey, math bad!
Personally I couldn’t care less whether it’s Alabama or Texas in for a hypothetical, could put Ohio State or Georgia in there too for all I care. The committee went full galaxy brain and the sports media world is better off for it. No matter what they decided some team was correctly going to be pissed off and it’s good they went to 12.
? ? The context: The Ohio State starting QB put himself in the portal
Right, that’s a lot of words to say that your subjective opinion where a week 2 matchup carries more weight than beating better teams across a harder schedule is more important. Clearly the committee didn’t agree, it’s ok ?
The Congrove computer rankings has all the undefeated teams in and Georgia, which would make far more sense than what we have now but hey, math bad!
Personally I couldn’t care less whether it’s Alabama or Texas in for a hypothetical, could put Ohio State or Georgia in there too for all I care. The committee went full galaxy brain and the sports media world is better off for it. No matter what they decided some team was correctly going to be pissed off and it’s good they went to 12.
I love the people who think because a computer gets things right sometimes that means you can just hand everything to them and we won't have any controversy. Despite every year there being controversy when it comes to computer models in literally every sport.
I am not saying math is bad, I am saying over-reliance on it is. Not everything is predictable by the numbers and even the best statistical analysis will get things wrong because there is just never going to be enough data points to make them work for football. They are a good tool, but the problem is once the tool is introduced that is all anyone cares about. (look at what over-reliance of RPI an other formulas has done for the basketball tournament...lots of stupid pretzel-bending to try and make some wins better than others and so on) Just like with the Pairwise (which is so perfect they have to fix it every couple years because more flaws pop up) people don't understand how it actually is supposed to be used and there is always an argument for why one team might be better than their numbers show
As for the committee...there is no way to justify their stupid decision. You keep pretending you are making a point by bringing up that the game was in week 2 like that somehow devalues the game while we are somehow overvaluing it. Well the fact is the game is overvalued because it is an actual datapoint between the two. Not some stupid daisy chain of logic like "Bama beat LSU who beat X who lost to Y...etc.) The two teams played, in Tuscaloosa, and Texas won. Sorry that matters more than their friggin SOS when all things are equal. But just because the corruption of college football is on full display here doesn't mean we should just take humans out of it and let your Commodore 64 decide...because I hate to tell you this but they will just corrupt that too. As long as there is so few games and so few teams that make the "tournament" they will always make sure to get the outcome they want because who programs the models?
Ultimately the whole thing is a farce because the only real argument against FSU is their QB got hurt. That is actually the dumbest argument I have heard ever for leaving a team out. If that is the new calculus I would rather we just simulate all the games Madden style and save us all the time. Hey the geeks will love it!
Tact is the ability to step on a man's toes without messing up the shine on his shoes - Harry S Truman
Didn't Alabama play Chattanooga (66-10 win), which is a FCS (1-AA) school?This is the most surprising of all results but I love the message it sends.
Stop playing bullsh**t teams. FSU had a garbage SOS. A mediocre conference with a 1AA game.
FSU scheduled LSU and Florida in their non-conference schedule. They beat both of them, including an utter dismantling of the best offense in college football. The ACC was obviously down overall but it's not like they lost the only real non-conference test they scheduled like Alabama did.
Florida was bad this year - 5-7. Not sure why you'd offer that as some sort of statement win?
I absolutely acknowledge that they beat LSU. Unfortunately that was the only marquee win. They had two solid wins against Clemson and Louisville, but after that it gets ugly. They only faced five opponents with winning records.
Alabama played seven and beat LSU, GA, and Mississippi. They also had two solid wins against Tennessee and A&M. yep, they lost to Texas. Hard for me to argue against that except they also had two additional marquee wins.
Texas is somewhat more difficult to explain. They had a better SOS mathematically but I'm not sure everyone will buy that. Anyways, they had one marquee win and one solid other win. But a loss against a very good Oklahoma. Otherwise their schedule only featured eight top 40 teams. FSU only played three.
I wasn't offering it as a statement win as much as disputing your statement that they scheduled a weak schedule. Non-conference games are scheduled like 7 years in advance (and FSU-Florida is played every year as a rivalry game anyways). Its not like FSU after week 4 could say "oof Florida sucks this year can we swap that game for Ole Miss instead?"
I mean that's just a shitty break then. Probably shouldn't have scheduled a 1AA school.
The NCAA made this bed by not expanding the playoff 3-5 years ago. And it should be 8 teams.
@handyman I love it, too. IIRC, it was you posting one of the shorts that turned me on to it.
Tact is the ability to step on a man's toes without messing up the shine on his shoes - Harry S Truman
NCAA Prez proposing creation of new subdivision essentially of Power 4+.2 schools that would allow direct payment of players.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/12/05/ncaa-framework-richest-programs-pay-athletes
Hoooboy. (cue the "It's happening" meme...and the house burning "This is fine" meme)
NCAA Prez proposing creation of new subdivision essentially of Power 4+.2 schools that would allow direct payment of players.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/12/05/ncaa-framework-richest-programs-pay-athletes
Hoooboy. (cue the "It's happening" meme...and the house burning "This is fine" meme)
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So the kids can make more $$$ in college then in any pro sports?
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So the kids can make more $$$ in college then in any pro sports?
First, remember this is just a proposal. It is an early stage of something happening.
But this is a MONUMENTAL shift for the NCAA. Like Earth moving out of orbit of the sun level.
In some ways this is a last-ditch effort to preserve the union that is the NCAA. What is to stop the B1G and the $EC from just going off and creating their own league? If they did that, the rest of the NCAA is dead in the water. So this is a means of keeping the big dogs close to the fold just short of full independence.
But it will open up compensation for athletes at some level (still have Title IX concerns) and there will likely be a number of athletes who-- when combined with the value of their scholarships, room and board, cost of attendance, and athletic compensation as proposed who will be making far more than as a professional.
Didn't Alabama play Chattanooga (66-10 win), which is a FCS (1-AA) school?This is the most surprising of all results but I love the message it sends.
Stop playing bullsh**t teams. FSU had a garbage SOS. A mediocre conference with a 1AA game.
FSU scheduled LSU and Florida in their non-conference schedule. They beat both of them, including an utter dismantling of the best offense in college football. The ACC was obviously down overall but it's not like they lost the only real non-conference test they scheduled like Alabama did.
Florida was bad this year - 5-7. Not sure why you'd offer that as some sort of statement win?
I absolutely acknowledge that they beat LSU. Unfortunately that was the only marquee win. They had two solid wins against Clemson and Louisville, but after that it gets ugly. They only faced five opponents with winning records.
Alabama played seven and beat LSU, GA, and Mississippi. They also had two solid wins against Tennessee and A&M. yep, they lost to Texas. Hard for me to argue against that except they also had two additional marquee wins.
Texas is somewhat more difficult to explain. They had a better SOS mathematically but I'm not sure everyone will buy that. Anyways, they had one marquee win and one solid other win. But a loss against a very good Oklahoma. Otherwise their schedule only featured eight top 40 teams. FSU only played three.
I wasn't offering it as a statement win as much as disputing your statement that they scheduled a weak schedule. Non-conference games are scheduled like 7 years in advance (and FSU-Florida is played every year as a rivalry game anyways). Its not like FSU after week 4 could say "oof Florida sucks this year can we swap that game for Ole Miss instead?"
I mean that's just a shitty break then. Probably shouldn't have scheduled a 1AA school.
Difference is they play in arguably the most difficult division in 1A
NCAA Prez proposing creation of new subdivision essentially of Power 4+.2 schools that would allow direct payment of players.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/12/05/ncaa-framework-richest-programs-pay-athletes
Hoooboy. (cue the "It's happening" meme...and the house burning "This is fine" meme)
blech.
The bigger schools get bigger. That's the way I read it, if this passes.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
It is the endgame now...it's not if but when. Well my Saturdays will be free...
I guess we'll disagree. FSU had 4 non-conference games: North Alabama, Southern Miss (who Alabama had on their schedule in 2021) and the two SEC opponents. I'm not in the least defending FSU, but what they're doing schedule-wise isn't isolated or unique.Didn't Alabama play Chattanooga (66-10 win), which is a FCS (1-AA) school?This is the most surprising of all results but I love the message it sends.
Stop playing bullsh**t teams. FSU had a garbage SOS. A mediocre conference with a 1AA game.
FSU scheduled LSU and Florida in their non-conference schedule. They beat both of them, including an utter dismantling of the best offense in college football. The ACC was obviously down overall but it's not like they lost the only real non-conference test they scheduled like Alabama did.
Florida was bad this year - 5-7. Not sure why you'd offer that as some sort of statement win?
I absolutely acknowledge that they beat LSU. Unfortunately that was the only marquee win. They had two solid wins against Clemson and Louisville, but after that it gets ugly. They only faced five opponents with winning records.
Alabama played seven and beat LSU, GA, and Mississippi. They also had two solid wins against Tennessee and A&M. yep, they lost to Texas. Hard for me to argue against that except they also had two additional marquee wins.
Texas is somewhat more difficult to explain. They had a better SOS mathematically but I'm not sure everyone will buy that. Anyways, they had one marquee win and one solid other win. But a loss against a very good Oklahoma. Otherwise their schedule only featured eight top 40 teams. FSU only played three.
I wasn't offering it as a statement win as much as disputing your statement that they scheduled a weak schedule. Non-conference games are scheduled like 7 years in advance (and FSU-Florida is played every year as a rivalry game anyways). Its not like FSU after week 4 could say "oof Florida sucks this year can we swap that game for Ole Miss instead?"
I mean that's just a shitty break then. Probably shouldn't have scheduled a 1AA school.
Difference is they play in arguably the most difficult division in 1A
It is the endgame now...it's not if but when. Well my Saturdays will be free...
If this proposal does not come into play, I fear more than your Saturdays will be free.
If the NCAA does not stick together and the Power 4 schools bolt to their own arrangement, that will be the end of college hockey as we know it. Folks that think the B1G Hockey Conference is bad haven't seen anything yet.
It is the endgame now...it's not if but when. Well my Saturdays will be free...
If this proposal does not come into play, I fear more than your Saturdays will be free.
If the NCAA does not stick together and the Power 4 schools bolt to their own arrangement, that will be the end of college hockey as we know it. Folks that think the B1G Hockey Conference is bad haven't seen anything yet.
College Sports are done if this happens
It is the endgame now...it's not if but when. Well my Saturdays will be free...
If this proposal does not come into play, I fear more than your Saturdays will be free.
If the NCAA does not stick together and the Power 4 schools bolt to their own arrangement, that will be the end of college hockey as we know it. Folks that think the B1G Hockey Conference is bad haven't seen anything yet.
Agreed. And I am sure someone will come around soon and say "oh stop you are overreacting that isn't what they are going for with this proposal" which is technically true. The problem is when this proposal fails, and it will, it wont be the end of this. And since the NCAA does not have the authority or the teeth to stop the issues that are running rampant, more bad ideas will come down the pike and sooner or later one will get traction.
That is how this always works. When realignment started in earnest over a decade ago many of us said that what we are seeing now was where we were headed. (4 mega conferences that likely break off) Back then there was a bit more parity between the conferences but between the Big Ten printing money and the SEC dominating titles it was only a matter of time. Then the CFP farce happened where despite there being 5 power conferences only 4 made it (with no way to stop multiple teams from a conference going, plus the Notre Dame issue and the G5) which hastened what was becoming blatantly obvious...only 4 would survive. Most thought it would be the Big XII or ACC...but the PAC12 never having a good TV contract decimated the conference and now hey 4 conferences! And hey...they are talking about forming their own deal!
The Big Ten Hockey Conference was not the endgame originally, realignment was as college hockey grew. Problem was no one would accept a reshuffle because many schools needed the Big Ten Schools just to survive budgetwise. Everyone fought change, the CCHA and WCHA overexpanded and well...Barry Alvarez and Red Berenson finally had the votes to push it through cause Penn State was denied membership into the CCHA. Plenty of us on USCHO warned about it, but everyone thought it was impossible and made their little jokes while whining that change is bad. Well the bigger change happened and everyone whined even more. Same will happen here...
The only way hockey survives this is if either something is done to help the smaller schools survive (that doesn't involve all the P5 schools scheduling them every year) or the small schools drop down and other P5 schools show up. 2 isn't likely, and 1 is only possible for a handful at best. Without football money there is a lot of schools that will die and fast.
And the countdown begins...