Love the Buium draft pick.
In the long term, I agree. Kid looks like he will be as good as a Hughes. Could add offense like no D we have seen. But admit I was sort of hoping (as a Gopher fan first) that someone like Utah (seems strange to say) would take him and bring him into the NHL right away.
I just watched this, very funny. Whoever matched up the rides to the various teams was brilliant. The Octopus ride for the Kraken, the Yellow Duck midway game for the Ducks, Wild Card for Vegas, very clever.After the Faber and Middleton Wild Thing video at Valleyfair they had no choice but to extend Middleton... 🤣
Utah is a merry-go-round? Easiest ride at the park?
To say you’re getting ahead of yourself worrying about Buium returning to Denver…is an UNDERSTATEMENT☝️He won’t sign until the end of next season at the earliest, but Denver doesn’t even play in the same conference as the Gophers. lol
Love the Buium draft pick.
In the long term, I agree. Kid looks like he will be as good as a Hughes. Could add offense like no D we have seen. But admit I was sort of hoping (as a Gopher fan first) that someone like Utah (seems strange to say) would take him and bring him into the NHL right away.
To say you’re getting ahead of yourself worrying about Buium returning to Denver…is an UNDERSTATEMENT☝️He won’t sign until the end of next season at the earliest, but Denver doesn’t even play in the same conference as the Gophers. lol
Love the Buium draft pick.
In the long term, I agree. Kid looks like he will be as good as a Hughes. Could add offense like no D we have seen. But admit I was sort of hoping (as a Gopher fan first) that someone like Utah (seems strange to say) would take him and bring him into the NHL right away.
It's all about the last game!
1) You’re clearly not a fan of the Wild if U would have preferred Utah drafting Buium. 2) Gophers have A LOT of work to do before advancing to the last game (so does Denver)To say you’re getting ahead of yourself worrying about Buium returning to Denver…is an UNDERSTATEMENT☝️He won’t sign until the end of next season at the earliest, but Denver doesn’t even play in the same conference as the Gophers. lol
Love the Buium draft pick.
In the long term, I agree. Kid looks like he will be as good as a Hughes. Could add offense like no D we have seen. But admit I was sort of hoping (as a Gopher fan first) that someone like Utah (seems strange to say) would take him and bring him into the NHL right away.
It's all about the last game!
Was this expected? Seems too much too soon.
He was obviously one of the best rookies. But he received no votes for Norris trophy and finished outside the top 20 for defenseman scoring. I realize he was just a rookie, but we're now paying him top dollar....13th highest paid defenseman in the NHL by yearly compensation.
https://frontofficesports.com/the-25-highest-paid-nhl-defensemen/
I know they have some cap room after next season, I just hope Billy doesn't spend it all over paying for current roster (excluding Kaprisov) and there will be room to pay Kirill plus a couple key free agents.
Was this expected? Seems too much too soon.
He was obviously one of the best rookies. But he received no votes for Norris trophy and finished outside the top 20 for defenseman scoring. I realize he was just a rookie, but we're now paying him top dollar....13th highest paid defenseman in the NHL by yearly compensation.
https://frontofficesports.com/the-25-highest-paid-nhl-defensemen/
I know they have some cap room after next season, I just hope Billy doesn't spend it all over paying for current roster (excluding Kaprisov) and there will be room to pay Kirill plus a couple key free agents.
This contract won't start until the 2025-2026 so he won't be the 13th highest paid this season.
They are making a bet that he will be worth a lot more than this throughout the contract and they have him locked down for the prime of his career.
It's just how Guerin does contracts. Overpay and get everything locked up well before it's necessary. This isn't a terrible contract, but if Faber wasn't willing to give the discount, then Guerin should've forced him to prove himself with a 2nd season.
If he proves himself a 2nd season, the number jumps up over 9 likely.
It's a gamble that can pay off with massive value if he becomes the #1 defenseman he's on track to be. This is a great signing that any team in the NHL would've made.
He’s the Prince that was promised. It has been written in the stars.
this deal decent. Think I would’ve rather seen a mid year deal in the 5 AAV range if it could’ve gotten done but if you’re expecting the cap is going to go up a decent amount (and Faber continues to grow like he did this year), this deal will look very good over its lifespan. I’d guess you could’ve signed him at this exact same number at seasons end as well as others have mentioned (maybe slightly higher in the 9 range if he’s an all star, but as an RFA, they’ll hold all the cards on matching).
Honestly I think this fanbase still has Suter/Parise syndrome which makes us leery of any contract longer than three years.
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For some, it is a no win situation for Guerin. It reminds me of the Joe Mauer situation. If the Twins didn't sign him, outrage would have happened. When they signed him, he didn't live up to the contract and people were up in arms. Same for Faber. He is our beloved son, and I am glad they signed him and hope he becomes a perennial all star.
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
I disagree, I doesn’t remind me a bit of the Joe Mauer situation. Joe Mauer played for cheapskate owners in a sport where no salary CAP exists…where the cheapskate owners reluctantly paid Mauer because they literally had a gun to their heads, had no choice because Joe was decreed…the hometown Baby Jesus. Faber is a TC kid who plays for owners who consistently spend to an actual salary CAP & if Brock fulfills his potential, the 8.5 AAV will seem like a bargain in a few years.For some, it is a no win situation for Guerin. It reminds me of the Joe Mauer situation. If the Twins didn't sign him, outrage would have happened. When they signed him, he didn't live up to the contract and people were up in arms. Same for Faber. He is our beloved son, and I am glad they signed him and hope he becomes a perennial all star.
I disagree, I doesn’t remind me a bit of the Joe Mauer situation. Joe Mauer played for cheapskate owners in a sport where no salary CAP exists…where the cheapskate owners reluctantly paid Mauer because they literally had a gun to their heads, had no choice because Joe was decreed…the hometown Baby Jesus. Faber is a TC kid who plays for owners who consistently spend to an actual salary CAP & if Brock fulfills his potential, the 8.5 AAV will seem like a bargain in a few years.For some, it is a no win situation for Guerin. It reminds me of the Joe Mauer situation. If the Twins didn't sign him, outrage would have happened. When they signed him, he didn't live up to the contract and people were up in arms. Same for Faber. He is our beloved son, and I am glad they signed him and hope he becomes a perennial all star.
I guess I wasn't very clear with my thoughts. The situation in the fans eyes are similar, not in the owners situation. I 100% agree with the Faber signing.
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
In Today's $ the $8.5M seems high at first glance. Should Faber be Paid like a top 15 D in the league? But when you think about inflation and Faber's Age it makes a lot more sense to me.
- Remember the 8.5M starts next year, 2025, and the salary cap will go up from todays $88M.
- In the last 18 years the salary cap has gone up from $39M to $88M.
- ( that equates to ~4.6% average increase each year )
- Faber will be 30 when this contract ends so he will still be in his prime. This is not a Parise/Suter Situation where the contract goes into the player's late 30s.
- Today the top 10 highest paid D make $9M-$11.5 M
- Using the 4.6% inflation estimate, by 2032 the top 10 highest paid D would be in the $12M-$16M Range.
It is a bit weird to think that Faber is already getting paid this much. In football and even Baseball it seems there is more focus on building around cheap young talent to offset the "overpaid" veterans. Given Faber's Minnesota connections could Guerin reasonably push off Faber's contract a few more years and not risk losing him? Hard to say but as a fan I know what my next Wild Jersey will be, and that cant be a bad thing 😀.
| Rank | Player | Team | Yearly Compensation |
| 1 | Erik Karlsson | Pittsburgh Penguins | $11.5 million |
| T-2 | Rasmus Dahlin | Buffalo Sabres | $11 million |
| T-2 | Drew Doughty | Los Angeles Kings | $11 million |
| 4 | Zachary Werenski | Columbus Blue Jackets | $9.58 million |
| T-5 | Charles Mcavoy | Boston Bruins | $9.5 million |
| T-5 | Seth Jones | Chicago Blackhawks | $9.5 million |
| T-5 | Adam Fox | New York Rangers | $9.5 million |
| 8 | Darnell Nurse | Edmonton Oilers | $9.25 million |
| 9 | Roman Josi | Nashville Predators | $9.06 million |
| T-10 | Cale Makar | Colorado Avalanche | $9 million |
| T-10 | Dougie Hamilton | New Jersey Devils | $9 million |
| 12 | Alex Pietrangelo | Vegas Golden Knights | $8.8 million |
| 13 | Mikhail Sergachev | Tampa Bay Lightning | $8.5 million |
| 14 | Miro Heiskanen | Dallas Stars | $8.45 million |
| 15 | Owen Power | Buffalo Sabres | $8.35 million |
| T-16 | Brent Burns | Carolina Hurricanes | $8 million |
| T-16 | Jacob Trouba | New York Rangers | $8 million |
| T-16 | Jake Sanderson | Ottawa Senators | $8 million |
| T-16 | Thomas Chabot | Ottawa Senators | $8 million |
| T-16 | John Carlson | Washington Capitals | $8 million |
| 21 | Victor Hedman | Tampa Bay Lightning | $7.88 million |
| 22 | Shea Weber | Utah Hockey Club | $7.86 million |
| 23 | Quinn Hughes | Vancouver Canucks | $7.85 million |
| 24 | Dmitry Orlov | Carolina Hurricanes | $7.75 million |
| 25 | Jared Spurgeon | Minnesota Wild | $7.58 million |
| 4.6% increases | ||||||
| Year | Faber Age | Faber Salary | Projected cap | % of Cap | Example 10% of Cap Salary | Example 13% of Cap Salary |
| 2025 | 23 | 8.5 | 92.0 | 9.23% | $9.20 | $11.97 |
| 2026 | 24 | 8.5 | 96.3 | 8.83% | $9.63 | $12.52 |
| 2027 | 25 | 8.5 | 100.7 | 8.44% | $10.07 | $13.09 |
| 2028 | 26 | 8.5 | 105.3 | 8.07% | $10.53 | $13.69 |
| 2029 | 27 | 8.5 | 110.2 | 7.71% | $11.02 | $14.32 |
| 2030 | 28 | 8.5 | 115.3 | 7.37% | $11.53 | $14.98 |
| 2031 | 29 | 8.5 | 120.6 | 7.05% | $12.06 | $15.67 |
| 2032 | 30 | 8.5 | 126.1 | 6.74% | $12.61 | $16.39 |
Faber is the best (2nd best?) defenseman already on the MIN (current in in the pool) and is a future C or A. He appears to be the type of guy that will take care of himself, won't be a locker-room cancer, and is going to put in the effort to get better rather than rest on his laurels. Sure it's a gamble, but based upon his trajectory it's a good bet to make.
We all know @cowgirl decision to get his jersey or not will be the determining factor on how this deal turns out. 😆
....won't be a locker-room cancer,...
Nice way of saying he wasn't a badger or phew. 😎 😉
I have a Wild jersey I’d like to get Faberized…is it okay to now? 😬😆
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Does anyone know if we can watch the Wild game locally? ESPN+ shows the game as blacked out for streaming.
I have Comcast if that matters.
Wild.com will have a stream available. Although the roster for the game is barely even AHL levelDoes anyone know if we can watch the Wild game locally? ESPN+ shows the game as blacked out for streaming.
I have Comcast if that matters.
Luckily I can stream my desktop browser to my Chromecast. I am starved for hockey so anything is good.Wild.com will have a stream available. Although the roster for the game is barely even AHL levelDoes anyone know if we can watch the Wild game locally? ESPN+ shows the game as blacked out for streaming.
I have Comcast if that matters.
Jesper Wallstedt has been signed to a contract extension. $4,400,000 over 2 years. Begins next year. He is paid $925,000 this season.
I almost made it through 2 periods before remembering how much I hate watching Marc-andre Fleury play
I must have missed the article where they explained the NHL rule change, where if you are standing against the boards holding the puck and an opposing player takes your legs out with his leg, you are guilty of a 'being tripped' penalty. I hope the Wild pull this out in regulation so it doesn't matter. I don't know how a ref could possibly see that as a penalty on Brodin.
I keep reminding myself that they should suck this year and keep wheeling Fleury out there instead of rushing Wallstedt.
https://twitter.com/SpokedZ/status/1845273286894043529I must have missed the article where they explained the NHL rule change, where if you are standing against the boards holding the puck and an opposing player takes your legs out with his leg, you are guilty of a 'being tripped' penalty. I hope the Wild pull this out in regulation so it doesn't matter. I don't know how a ref could possibly see that as a penalty on Brodin.
Evidently the ref apologized to Brodin at the start of the third period. It failed to take the goal off the scoreboard, though.
F-ck that referee apologizing, get the call right in front of your face correct. Wild blew a point last night, when was the last time KK converted in a SO, seems like about one year. Bury the damn puck.Evidently the ref apologized to Brodin at the start of the third period. It failed to take the goal off the scoreboard, though.
Between Minnesota and Iowa, the Wild played 5 games in the past 4 days. Jesper Wallstedt played zero minutes. How does that make any sense?
You’re 100% correct…And this Wild team is so Fning DUMB, can’t take a penalty with 5 seconds left in 3rd period. I’m already sick of watching this clown show after 3 games.Between Minnesota and Iowa, the Wild played 5 games in the past 4 days. Jesper Wallstedt played zero minutes. How does that make any sense?
Evidently the ref apologized to Brodin at the start of the third period. It failed to take the goal off the scoreboard, though.
This bothers me. Stand your ground during the game. If it was a wrong call, and you apologize DURING the game, those players are going to chirp you on all your calls, and possibly affect calls you make in the game. AFTER the game, sure, apologize, explain what you saw in real time, etc.
Basically, stand your ground until the competition is over.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Couldn't disagree more.Evidently the ref apologized to Brodin at the start of the third period. It failed to take the goal off the scoreboard, though.
This bothers me. Stand your ground during the game. If it was a wrong call, and you apologize DURING the game, those players are going to chirp you on all your calls, and possibly affect calls you make in the game. AFTER the game, sure, apologize, explain what you saw in real time, etc.
Basically, stand your ground until the competition is over.
Quality referees have a constant running dialogue with everyone in the game. Aknowledging a mistake, especially when everyone already knows you made it, only helps an official.
Have talked with many a referee up to the NCAA level, and they all have said (paraphrased) "This is what I saw when I made the call." AFTER the game, and they may have seen replays by that point, they might have changed their view. But IN-GAME, if you cave a little, they WILL have more pressure from players to force them to second-guess, or alter their calls, and that's even worse in the long run.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I'm sure you've talked to tons of hockey officials, that have their games recorded and televised, about this exact situation.Have talked with many a referee up to the NCAA level, and they all have said (paraphrased) "This is what I saw when I made the call." AFTER the game, and they may have seen replays by that point, they might have changed their view. But IN-GAME, if you cave a little, they WILL have more pressure from players to force them to second-guess, or alter their calls, and that's even worse in the long run.
It was a bad call. But give an inch, you give a foot. Again IN-GAME, you don't budge. You can't, due to possible future influence.
It stinks, but that's the way it is.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
What is it that you think admitting a mistake would change about an officials job?It was a bad call. But give an inch, you give a foot. Again IN-GAME, you don't budge. You can't, due to possible future influence.
It stinks, but that's the way it is.
Because then players will chirp about every call after that, and then the official may or may not think about the call they made, or will make, and alter the calls/play/etc. Officials have flat out told me that.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
You think the players don't chirp about every call regardless? They have multiple Ipads on the bench and a giant television right above them. I guarantee that everyone in the arena knew it was the wrong call before they even dropped the puck for the PP. You think nobody on the Wild bench made the official aware of any of this?Because then players will chirp about every call after that, and then the official may or may not think about the call they made, or will make, and alter the calls/play/etc. Officials have flat out told me that.
You really think that an official admitting a mistake is actually going to change his thought process? If he waits until after the game, do the Wild then get a rain check to control his thoughts during the next game he calls, or is there some sort of statute of limitations for having integrity?
In real time? Yes, it will affect the official's thinking. They start to think "I blew that call, did I blow this one?" They may be correct, they may be incorrect. The seeds of doubt have been planted, though.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
This is getting entertainingIn real time? Yes, it will affect the official's thinking. They start to think "I blew that call, did I blow this one?" They may be correct, they may be incorrect. The seeds of doubt have been planted, though.
Just to be clear- What you're saying above, only happens if an official admits he made a mistake during a game? As long as he refuses to acknowledge the mistake until after the game, then he will never question his decision making? And you think players will go easier on him for doing so?
This is getting entertainingIn real time? Yes, it will affect the official's thinking. They start to think "I blew that call, did I blow this one?" They may be correct, they may be incorrect. The seeds of doubt have been planted, though.
Just to be clear- What you're saying above, only happens if an official admits he made a mistake during a game? As long as he refuses to acknowledge the mistake until after the game, then he will never question his decision making? And you think players will go easier on him for doing so?
I've been told so. It's like instant replay after a game in pro or NCAA. They acknowledge the mistake (see the recent on-side kick ruling in the MN football game) and learn from it. But in-game, and I STRESS that part, they stick with the call they made. Consistency. Make a call, stick with it, and call it both ways throughout the game.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Now I'm not even sure that you understand the discussion. You do understand that the official in the Brodin discussion didn't change anything? He saw a replay of the penalty he called and realized that he made the wrong call. He then told Brodin that he made the wrong call.This is getting entertainingIn real time? Yes, it will affect the official's thinking. They start to think "I blew that call, did I blow this one?" They may be correct, they may be incorrect. The seeds of doubt have been planted, though.
Just to be clear- What you're saying above, only happens if an official admits he made a mistake during a game? As long as he refuses to acknowledge the mistake until after the game, then he will never question his decision making? And you think players will go easier on him for doing so?
I've been told so. It's like instant replay after a game in pro or NCAA. They acknowledge the mistake (see the recent on-side kick ruling in the MN football game) and learn from it. But in-game, and I STRESS that part, they stick with the call they made. Consistency. Make a call, stick with it, and call it both ways throughout the game.
I fully understand the discussion. He admitted it in-game, which was a bad decision. There is the "crack in the armor" so to speak. Once you get in a ref's head IN-GAME, the ref's calls are now POSSIBLY (stress that part) influenced by admitting a previous mistake.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Ok, using your theory- If a linesman gets an offside call overturned during a game by a replay review. Does he then have to remove himself from the rest of the game because of a "crack in the armor"?I fully understand the discussion. He admitted it in-game, which was a bad decision. There is the "crack in the armor" so to speak. Once you get in a ref's head IN-GAME, the ref's calls are now POSSIBLY (stress that part) influenced by admitting a previous mistake.
No, but he will re-think his decisions from that point forward.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
And how long will that self doubt last? or does it depend on when he realizes he made a mistake?No, but he will re-think his decisions from that point forward.
And how long will that self doubt last? or does it depend on when he realizes he made a mistake?No, but he will re-think his decisions from that point forward.
It will last the game, until he can review said game and adjust for future games.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.