Not that it matters, but if witnesses see a car speed by, how do they know it was going in excess of 100?
They don't; it's a guess. But it doesn't really matter because with the forensics they'll do, they'll be able recreate the circumstances of the crash with a lot of specificity.
Totally agree. Also from the article:
"Because of Blue's injuries, officers were unable to conduct field sobriety tests at the crash scene. A warrant was issued to collect a blood sample from his room at North Memorial around 1 a.m. Sunday."
There are lawyers that specialize in this. The families of the injured and deceased are likely getting inundated right now with requests.
Not that it matters, but if witnesses see a car speed by, how do they know it was going in excess of 100?
They don't; it's a guess. But it doesn't really matter because with the forensics they'll do, they'll be able recreate the circumstances of the crash with a lot of specificity.
Totally agree. Also from the article:
"Because of Blue's injuries, officers were unable to conduct field sobriety tests at the crash scene. A warrant was issued to collect a blood sample from his room at North Memorial around 1 a.m. Sunday."
There are lawyers that specialize in this. The families of the injured and deceased are likely getting inundated right now with requests.
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I trust that Bob and his family have no shortage of resources on which to draw from in a situation like this. I will just mourn the situation.
It seems this Blue fellow may be giving extreme immaturity in 50 year old men a very bad name.
It seems this Blue fellow may be giving extreme immaturity in 50 year old men a very bad name.
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Crazy, that both wearing their seatbelts died, one at the scene and one later, but the driver, thrown from his vehicle and not wearing a seatbelt, survived.
So I’m having a hard time believing this information. ST just posted a booking photo of the driver. There is no way on gods green earth that man was “ejected” from the car. Physics are against that scenario.
1) very little facial injury. Ejection would have had him going through a windshield.
2) statements he was found 6-10 feet from the car. IF the speed was even HALF the reported 100mph he would have flown far more then 10 feet.
I think he was wearing a seatbelt and in the aftermath of the accident, got out of the car and stumbled away. An airbag saved him and not the other two.
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Here's a link to Mack's obituary. There's also a celebration wall where people can leave condolences.
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Crazy, that both wearing their seatbelts died, one at the scene and one later, but the driver, thrown from his vehicle and not wearing a seatbelt, survived.
So I’m having a hard time believing this information. ST just posted a booking photo of the driver. There is no way on gods green earth that man was “ejected” from the car. Physics are against that scenario.
1) very little facial injury. Ejection would have had him going through a windshield.
2) statements he was found 6-10 feet from the car. IF the speed was even HALF the reported 100mph he would have flown far more then 10 feet.
I think he was wearing a seatbelt and in the aftermath of the accident, got out of the car and stumbled away. An airbag saved him and not the other two.
I would guess many people are ejected out the side window and not the windshield. Did the car roll or hit head on?
Crazy, that both wearing their seatbelts died, one at the scene and one later, but the driver, thrown from his vehicle and not wearing a seatbelt, survived.
So I’m having a hard time believing this information. ST just posted a booking photo of the driver. There is no way on gods green earth that man was “ejected” from the car. Physics are against that scenario.
1) very little facial injury. Ejection would have had him going through a windshield.
2) statements he was found 6-10 feet from the car. IF the speed was even HALF the reported 100mph he would have flown far more then 10 feet.
I think he was wearing a seatbelt and in the aftermath of the accident, got out of the car and stumbled away. An airbag saved him and not the other two.
I would guess many people are ejected out the side window and not the windshield. Did the car roll or hit head on?
I think Kelly is right. Watch the KSTP News report. It shows the path off the road that the car took straight into a grove of trees. The car didn't roll.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15080777/2017-bentley-flying-spur-v8-s-test-review/
The car was a 2017 Bentley Flying Spur. It is a 5509 lb tank. Horsepower is rated from 521 to 626. According to Car and Driver it can go from 0 to 60 in 4.3 seconds and 0 to 100 in 10.5 seconds. "The car’s massive size—the wheelbase alone stretches more than 10 feet—and prodigious weight keep it from being much fun on a twisty road, but in curves the body stays heroically flat, making it feel more planted than expected."
That Bentley is a top of the line luxury car. It has one of the safest interiors of any car on the road. Structurally sound. Multiple airbags throughout. That's probably what saved the driver. The trees that the car hit on the right side probably killed the other two. Reports are they both sustained multiple blunt force injuries. Likely from the tree or trees coming down on them. Airbags couldn't save them from what hit them from above.
If James Blue was ejected, as Kelly said, he would have been much further then 6-10 feet away. He would have been gravely injured and would have looked like hamburger. The picture of Blue in the Star/Tribune today showed a guy that looked as though he wasn't injured at all. A few scrapes on his face. It doesn't even look like he's been in a bar fight let alone having just survived a high speed car crash. His facial injuries look more like the kind of abrasions you would get from a air bag slamming into his face. There is most likely a lot of his dna on the drivers side air bag which would dispel the story that he was ejected.
I think Kelly is spot on, he survived the crash. Saved by driver side airbags. Got out of the car and was found 6-10 feet from the car. He may have passed out, may have been in shock. I think it's an absolute impossibility that he was ejected from the car. That will all come out eventually.
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
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Gee, by the time I turned 40, probably sooner, I stopped driving fast anywhere. This guy is 50+, drunk, and driving fast on a windy road? Moron does not even begin to describe it. What a senseless tragedy. My utmost sympathy to the families of the young men.
I'm having trouble finding it, but I'm pretty sure I read that the guy had a speeding ticket on his record for 80+ in a 45 (or something). Considering how seldom speeding actually gets enforced, I'm going to assume he is a chronically dangerous driver.
I'm having trouble finding it, but I'm pretty sure I read that the guy had a speeding ticket on his record for 80+ in a 45 (or something). Considering how seldom speeding actually gets enforced, I'm going to assume he is a chronically dangerous driver.
It's in the STrib article Zwak posted yesterday morning: https://www.startribune.com/orono-man-turns-himself-in-after-car-crash-near-lake-minnetonka-kills-two-passengers/600082510/
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You can access previous court records in Mn here. He had a couple of brushes with the law years ago, his speeding ticket and a couple of other items in civil court, including a recent one in July.
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Punch in his name. There are a couple of James Blue's. His middle name is David.
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The more I read, the more I feel bad for Ella. Not only did she lose two of the most important people in her life, she saw the immediate aftermath of the crash that claimed them. It really tears at your heart and I feel numb just thinking about it.
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I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
You can access previous court records in Mn here. He had a couple of brushes with the law years ago, his speeding ticket and a couple of other items in civil court, including a recent one in July.
https://www.mncourts.gov/Access-Case-Records/MPA-Remote.aspx
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Punch in his name. There are a couple of James Blue's. His middle name is David.
That same site will tell you that Mr. Blue is recently divorced, also. He and his now ex jointly filed for divorce on July 1, 2021 and it was granted on the 9th. That might provide some further insight into his situation on the evening in question.
You can access previous court records in Mn here. He had a couple of brushes with the law years ago, his speeding ticket and a couple of other items in civil court, including a recent one in July.
https://www.mncourts.gov/Access-Case-Records/MPA-Remote.aspx
Hit access case records
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Punch in his name. There are a couple of James Blue's. His middle name is David.
That same site will tell you that Mr. Blue is recently divorced, also. He and his now ex jointly filed for divorce on July 1, 2021 and it was granted on the 9th. That might provide some further insight into his situation on the evening in question.
Don't want to rush to conclusion here... but that's certainly suggestive, yes.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
In the 40mph, I've gone a touch over, not on purpose, more of a "oh crap, slow down, oops." I would never even think of doing what he did.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
In the 40mph, I've gone a touch over, not on purpose, more of a "oh crap, slow down, oops." I would never even think of doing what he did.
Drunk folk generally tend to make extra poor decisions.
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
In the 40mph, I've gone a touch over, not on purpose, more of a "oh crap, slow down, oops." I would never even think of doing what he did.
Drunk folk generally tend to make extra poor decisions.
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When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
In the 40mph, I've gone a touch over, not on purpose, more of a "oh crap, slow down, oops." I would never even think of doing what he did.
Oh b.s. I've driven that road HUNDREDS of times and in the right conditions 50 mph is more than manageable. You don't have to sound like a prude to make the point - this guy was a moron. Drunk, way over the limit, at night. That's all that needs to be said. 
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
In the 40mph, I've gone a touch over, not on purpose, more of a "oh crap, slow down, oops." I would never even think of doing what he did.
I've driven that road HUNDREDS of times and in the right conditions 50 mph is more than manageable. But this guy was a moron and took way too far - drunk, far too fast and at night.
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
In the 40mph, I've gone a touch over, not on purpose, more of a "oh crap, slow down, oops." I would never even think of doing what he did.
Oh b.s. I've driven that road HUNDREDS of times and in the right conditions 50 mph is more than manageable. You don't have to sound like a prude to make the point - this guy was a moron. Drunk, way over the limit, at night. That's all that needs to be said.
There is a similar road in Da UP (a little less curvy, 55mph limit) where I've gone well over that. THIS particular road, I wouldn't. *shrug*
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
In the 40mph, I've gone a touch over, not on purpose, more of a "oh crap, slow down, oops." I would never even think of doing what he did.
Oh b.s. I've driven that road HUNDREDS of times and in the right conditions 50 mph is more than manageable. You don't have to sound like a prude to make the point - this guy was a moron. Drunk, way over the limit, at night. That's all that needs to be said.
Do we know his BAL? Or do you mean way over the speed limit?
It's been pretty much deduced he was speeding way over the limit. I don't think the blood tests are back for the BAL.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I know that road fairly well, it's one of two direct routes to Back Channel Brewing. 100 on that road is INSANE, even if you are (insert top NASCAR/F1 here). Anything more than 60 or so is really pushing it hardcore, IMO. Tight curves, blind curves, you name it. Not a road you really want to push the limits.
I guess I'm just a conservative driver, but I can't imagine going much over 40 mph on that road at any time, let alone 60 or 100...at night...after drinking.
In the 40mph, I've gone a touch over, not on purpose, more of a "oh crap, slow down, oops." I would never even think of doing what he did.
Oh b.s. I've driven that road HUNDREDS of times and in the right conditions 50 mph is more than manageable. You don't have to sound like a prude to make the point - this guy was a moron. Drunk, way over the limit, at night. That's all that needs to be said.
Do we know his BAL? Or do you mean way over the speed limit?
Speed limit.
Here's a link to the service today. Mack was obviously a stand up kid, loved by all.
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Thanks for posting this. Wish I could have gone, but at least I can watch it.
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Driver’s BAC was .175 and air bag module shows he was driving 94-99 mph.
Driver’s BAC was .175 and air bag module shows he was driving 94-99 mph.
This story is beyond infuriating. This guy isn’t a kid. To act this recklessly is just maddening.
This story is beyond infuriating. This guy isn’t a kid. To act this recklessly is just maddening.
I honestly hope the old guy recovers and spends the rest of his living days in prison thinking about it.
Driver’s BAC was .175 and air bag module shows he was driving 94-99 mph.
This story is beyond infuriating. This guy isn’t a kid. To act this recklessly is just maddening.
Even when I was a kid I knew how incredibly stupid this is.
We had a incident where a dude on my hockey team back in HS did a burnout out of a Taco Bell parking lot and didn’t have a license, which drew the attention of the police who attempted to pull him over. He got into what he described as a “medium speed chase” doing 100 or so down a super windy road that had its speed reduced from 35 to 25 somewhat recently. I think it ended after he hit some spike strips and a cop pointed a shotgun at his head :crazy:
Even at that time I knew how incredibly stupid that whole chain of events was and it just amazes me that anyone would attempt that kind of speed on a road like that. It’s one thing (and I wouldn’t necessarily advise this either) to test out your car’s limits on some empty straight away road with good sight lines but doing what he did while twice the BAC limit is insane and now he gets to live with the consequences for the rest of his life.
Driver’s BAC was .175 and air bag module shows he was driving 94-99 mph.
It’s one thing (and I wouldn’t necessarily advise this either) to test out your car’s limits on some empty straight away road with good sight lines
I fully agree to test the limits of your vehicle. Go above the speed limit, then slam on the brakes, to see how the vehicle handles. Do it a bit slower in snow. MIND YOU: on remote roads, where there is no one around. My last two vehicles, the back end slid to the passenger side a little when I did that. Now I know (and have utilized that knowledge a couple times during the lifetimes of those vehicles).
NOTE: as my driver's education teacher once said, when you test out your vehicle like that, only take what the road gives you. Consider weather, sightlines, other traffic, time of day (dusk in the wilderness brings out the wildlife like deer), etc, when doing this.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
The guy was drunk. He couldn’t really comprehend that he was going too fast for the conditions or understand how stupid his decisions were at the time. Someone earlier asked why the assholes don’t die in situations like this - it will be a far worse punishment to have to live with the consequences of his stupid decisions he made for the rest of his life.
The guy was drunk. He couldn’t really comprehend that he was going too fast for the conditions or understand how stupid his decisions were at the time. Someone earlier asked why the assholes don’t die in situations like this - it will be a far worse punishment to have to live with the consequences of his stupid decisions he made for the rest of his life.
There is precedent for punishment. Send a card of sympathy to the family each year, on the day of the death (if the family agrees to it, of course). Other precedents include making a donation to MADD on the day of the person's death.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
The guy was drunk. He couldn’t really comprehend that he was going too fast for the conditions or understand how stupid his decisions were at the time. Someone earlier asked why the assholes don’t die in situations like this - it will be a far worse punishment to have to live with the consequences of his stupid decisions he made for the rest of his life.
Even at that BAC you can comprehend that you’re going way too fast and not making wise decisions, you’re likely just overconfident, don’t care, and are more willing to take stupid risks. And it seems like this guy was trying way too hard to impress people less than half his age.
I agree with you though this guy has a long road ahead of him to say the least even after serving whatever sentence he faces.
If Blue has any kind of conscience he will be tortured by this event the rest of his life. He had previous driving citations and did not learn from them. As many have said, at his age he should know better. I think most of us want a piece of this creep. His punishment should best reflect what would be in the best interests of these two families.
Charged with 4 counts of vehicular homicide
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Blue should never be allowed to drive a vehicle the rest of his life. If he’s ever allowed out of prison.
Ugh. It makes my heart just hurt to read that story.
It appears that the families will soon be dropping the hammer on Mr Blue.
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It appears that the families will soon be dropping the hammer on Mr Blue.
Yes it would appear as though Blue has little or no defense. The questions that really havn't been addressed to any great degree are:
Did the young men know Blue prior to that evening?
Why did those young men go to the home of Blue?
If Blue was as intoxicated as has been reported, how on earth would those two young men ever get into a car with him? Were they coerced into getting into that car, or did they get into the car on their own volition?
I hate to say it but there was a whole lot of bad judgement exhibited by a lot of people on that night and unfortunately it destroyed a lot of lives.
Very sad.
It appears that the families will soon be dropping the hammer on Mr Blue.
Yes it would appear as though Blue has little or no defense. The questions that really havn't been addressed to any great degree are:
Did the young men know Blue prior to that evening?
Why did those young men go to the home of Blue?
If Blue was as intoxicated as has been reported, how on earth would those two young men ever get into a car with him? Were they coerced into getting into that car, or did they get into the car on their own volition?
I hate to say it but there was a whole lot of bad judgement exhibited by a lot of people on that night and unfortunately it destroyed a lot of lives.
Very sad.
My guess: a couple of young kids (and I use "kids" loosely) get invited to party at some uber-rich guy's house, a guy who I would guess is apparently somewhat known locally, in a car that is obscenely exotic, and most likely drink high-end booze all night for free. Hob-knobbing with the rich at that age? The mentality prob was "FREE BOOZE AND A PARTY, DUDE! I BET THERE ARE FINE WOMEN THERE, TOO!"
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
It’s sometimes hard to gauge how drunk someone else is unless they’re showing obvious signs of impairment. Like I imagine they weren’t thinking this guy was drunk enough to the point of going 90 into a tree.
I guess it’ll be interesting to see what comes out in terms of info from other witnesses and what they saw.
I guess it’ll be interesting to see what comes out in terms of info from other witnesses and what they saw.
Over the years, I've seen this in many a person. Some can handle it quite well, others...notsomuch.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
There seems to be a lot of witnesses into Mr Blue’s evening activities. Would it be possible to home those accountable who did nothing to thwart those activities?
There seems to be a lot of witnesses into Mr Blue’s evening activities. Would it be possible to home those accountable who did nothing to thwart those activities?
No accountability amongst non-employees, if my interpretation is correct. Not enough to prove, they can claim ignorance.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Any thoughts on how we as fans might honor Mack and Sam in the same vein as helmet stickers this upcoming season?
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It appears that the families will soon be dropping the hammer on Mr Blue.
Yes it would appear as though Blue has little or no defense. The questions that really havn't been addressed to any great degree are:
Did the young men know Blue prior to that evening?
Why did those young men go to the home of Blue?
If Blue was as intoxicated as has been reported, how on earth would those two young men ever get into a car with him? Were they coerced into getting into that car, or did they get into the car on their own volition?
I hate to say it, but there was a whole lot of bad judgement exhibited by a lot of people on that night, and unfortunately it destroyed a lot of lives.
Very sad.
My guess: a couple of young kids (and I use "kids" loosely) get invited to party at some uber-rich guy's house, a guy who I would guess is apparently somewhat known locally, in a car that is obscenely exotic, and most likely drink high-end booze all night for free. Hob-knobbing with the rich at that age? The mentality prob was "FREE BOOZE AND A PARTY, DUDE! I BET THERE ARE FINE WOMEN THERE, TOO!"
Has there been any reporting on the possible blood alcohol content of the two young men? Or whether they had anything else in their systems, such as the gummies found in Blue's system and in his possession?
There is 1 person to blame here, and that is Mr Blue. To blame the victims here is off base in my opinion. The victims were coherent enough to buckle up. When I was a youngster, I went to many bars/parties and ended up at a party with my friends at a house of someone I didn't know. It is not all that crazy of an idea. Mr Blue was impaired behind the wheel of the car, and HE IS TO BLAME.
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