You aren’t replacing those three players with players that will score zero points, so you aren’t really losing 70 pts. Let’s see how the roster shakes out before talking about the loss of scoring.
Walker gives you 30 of those points right back, but at a team leadership cost… +Dornbach or Calder gets you to at least 50 of the points back probably.
I’d say the chance Walkers returns for a bonus year is 10% and it’s 90%! he signs a pro contract. But as I noted in an earlier post, if Sammy wished to play a bonus year, the Gophers should grant that wish.
It’s the loss of three top nine forwards in one day.
Who’s the 3rd forward?!?!?! Cruz? Or are you just going off GoldyShuffle’s cryptic inside info and pm’s.
Yeah. All indications from multiple sources say the chance of Cruz coming here now are slim to none.
like I said, saying there is news coming and giving no background or explanation is why rumors and bad takes come about. do YOU know what has been conveyed to Lucius or Broz in regard to their roles next year? If so, care to share rather than spout that “I know something that you don’t know”? Maybe if you had been slightly more specific such as, “I cannot give more details as this information is still confidential, but expect some transfer portal and signing news this week…” it might have been better received than saying “big news” is coming (that could mean anything!) and “it’s not good” which is simply your opinion. leaving GPLers to wonder, worry, and speculate is a disaster waiting to happen.
You might be right cowgirl ?. I’m not that seasoned as a message board poster and don’t alwAys check in. I could have worded it that way. the fans and the broader community support is fun, hence why I was looking to clue some of the fans in before it happened. But also, there is predictably some abysmal takes on here, Twitter etc. both of them are leaving for different reasons, but they share that senior leadership really failed them and everyone.
What do you mean senior leadership? Who is senior leadership? The players who were seniors? Motzko? The AD or president of the U?
How'd it fail these guys? They both saw a lot of playing time when healthy and not serving major penalties.
I'm disappointed to see them leaving. I liked the way both played and was excited to see their growth next year.
Nonetheless, I'm still optimistic about the team next year.
All the fans got out of Lucius was the buzz of a big name signing and the promise that he was going to be something really special. We heard about him since he was in junior high. Pfft.
You can't mourn something you never had. Lucius was a talent and had a great shot (so I've been told), but he never did much of anything here. He would have been a dandy 3rd or fourth year player, but that was never in the cards anyway.
Honestly, in hindsight it would have been better if Bob hadn't recruited him at all.
He will go down as a footnote in the annals of gopher hockey history.
Bob didn't recruit him
Wow what a weird day. Can kinda see the Lucius angle but confused about Broz. I do agree with the notion that Cruz is probably gone too with how everything shook out.
Right now forward depth looks a little something like:
top 9 - Knies, Cooley, Snuggerud, Huglen, Pitlick, Kurth, Brodzinski, Nelson, Nevers (*Pino is better than Nevers imo)
rest - *Pinoniemi, Schmidt, Strobel, Mittelstadt
Sure to be at least one, probably two portal pickups up front. We're lucky to have the best d core in recent memory to help us through this slight hickup.
P.S. Who the f*ck is this GoldyShuffle guy lmao
P.S. Who the f*ck is this GoldyShuffle guy lmao
A) Bonin 21
B) Don Lucia
C) Anthony LaPanta
D) Mel Pearson
Keep your stick on the ice...
If that's an honest question I would suggest one of those "advisor" people or a compliance guy that works for the school. My buddy worked in compliance at UND and told me that the women's team would be folding well before it became public.
Well ones got to wonder what #3 issue is going to take place, we got 1 and 2 yesterday with Broz and Chaz gone, guessing #4 is Cruz not coming in and his post will be after the U18 IIHF tournament, so who is #3. Also we need to find a another coach, wasn't Raboin our main recruiter? Need a good assistant coach that can continue to recruit.
To play devils advocate maybe the guys choosing to leave were the problem and not necessarily the “leadership”. Maybe they didn’t have the right attitude and weren’t willing to fit in with the team because they thought too highly of themselves and weren’t team players. ?♀️
I still think the transfer portal sucks balls and is another step backwards for the sport of college hockey. How can you expect to build something lasting if the team is now just one giant revolving door?
Well ones got to wonder what #3 issue is going to take place, we got 1 and 2 yesterday with Broz and Chaz gone, guessing #4 is Cruz not coming in and his post will be after the U18 IIHF tournament, so who is #3. Also we need to find a another coach, wasn’t Raboin our main recruiter? Need a good assistant coach that can continue to recruit.
I believe #3 was Johnson coming back.
And I think Cowgirl's previous comment is very potentially viable. There were absolutely zero vibes from this team that they didn't play for each other nor that they lacked camaraderie. And as someone else noted if the problem was "senior leadership" unless they felt the same about returning juniors...
I believe #3 was Johnson coming back.
Nope
I believe #3 was Johnson coming back.
Nope
Broz, Lucius and..?
Johnson is back BTW
theres some good news!
Johnson was not part of the three (potentially four but hopefully just three) bits of bad news coming. He had clearly said he didn't know about Johnson (prior to the post tonight)
Johnson was not part of the three (potentially four but hopefully just three) bits of bad news coming. He had clearly said he didn’t know about Johnson (prior to the post tonight)
Oh well - maybe you'll get your wish.
Didn’t know he required surgery:
”Chaz had surgery to repair the lower body ailment following the Gophers’ trip to the Frozen Four”
“Just taking it one day at a time to see how my ankle is reacting and feeling with movement and motion and go from there.”
From the rink live article:
Wow what a weird day. Can kinda see the Lucius angle but confused about Broz. I do agree with the notion that Cruz is probably gone too with how everything shook out. Right now forward depth looks a little something like: top 9 – Knies, Cooley, Snuggerud, Huglen, Pitlick, Kurth, Brodzinski, Nelson, Nevers (*Pino is better than Nevers imo) rest – *Pinoniemi, Schmidt, Strobel, Mittelstadt Sure to be at least one, probably two portal pickups up front. We’re lucky to have the best d core in recent memory to help us through this slight hickup. P.S. Who the f*ck is this GoldyShuffle guy lmao
What exactly is the Lucius angle? He was looking to transfer or go into the portal if he didn’t get signed it sounds like (based on the one tweet). What exactly caused the rift that lead to him leaving and Cruz… TBD but probably not coming? Is it their dad or some other reason?
I had high hopes for the Lucius boys since they seemed to be successful at each level. Chaz this season was good but still was the third best player on that line. What never set right with me was they both verbally committed as toddlers and the family background of starting a private school for the purpose of starting an elite hockey team. You always hear about how hockey parents of elite hockey players or so-called elite players can be douchebags and the Lucius dad sounds like he may fit that mold.
I don't know what to believe when it comes to these Lucius kids but they do seem like they are in it for themselves. If Cruz ends up de-committing and going to the WHL then good riddance. I want elite to very good hockey players on the Gophers but I also want players who want to play here and be a part of the team. To go out at the end with your finger pointing at "senior leadership" is bullshit. "I wasn't happy here because of them!" is a bullshit. Maybe Bob should have said to Chaz everyday what he said in his press release to help Chazs' ego and then he may have stayed.
Chaz left...buh bye. If Cruz decides to leave...buh bye.
As the saying goes...the name on the front is a hell of lot more important than the name on the back. Go Gophers!
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Lucius gets injured more than Byron Buxton.
I remember there being some mixup/confusion about Chaz's injury at the Penn State games. My impression at the time was that the team didn't recognize it was serious and thought he should have been playing - - maybe partially motivated by the fact that they needed skaters with so many others out for olympics, injuries, etc. Now it looks like the injury was serious.
Maybe his disappointment with senior leadership is related to having to play or feeling pressured to play on that injury.
I understand why some ppl were hard on goldyshuffle but he also had shown he has inside knowledge that most of us would be interested in. I know most on here don’t like the vague news, but it also created a lot of conversation here which at the end of is why we are here. Personally hope he sticks around.
I remember there being some mixup/confusion about Chaz’s injury at the Penn State games. My impression at the time was that the team didn’t recognize it was serious and thought he should have been playing – – maybe partially motivated by the fact that they needed skaters with so many others out for olympics, injuries, etc. Now it looks like the injury was serious. Maybe his disappointment with senior leadership is related to having to play or feeling pressured to play on that injury.
I have no idea what the injury was or how serious it was. BUT there are injuries where you will eventually require surgery but can play through them until the season is over. You see it quite a bit in pro sports. There is potentially a scenario where Lucius decided to shut things down when the coaching/medical staff at the U thought he could play through it.
To be honest I was completely underwhelmed with the play of Lucius and Broz this year. Sure, rather see them come back and hopefully improve greatly next season. But keeping Knies, Faber and LaCombe was way more important for next year than keeping those two.
Agree. They were definitely 2 players that had a lot of hype that didn't end up producing as much as I would have expected.
I understand skepticism and I understand not wanting to hear potentially negative news (although I'm personally unconvinced that Lucius leaving is a "bad" thing in the big picture)
But I don't think it is good to discourage new contributors who can show balance and can contribute good things to the board. Trolls? Yeah, we don't want them. Posters who are largely imbalanced and only look for the negative? Yeah, we don't want them. But don't go too far or it just hurts the board.
Speaking from experience, it is a fine line that you occasionally have to walk when you have information that isn't widely known. It is sometimes a decision between saying nothing (which I know some people prefer) or saying something a little more vague (but it still contributes conversation). As I said elsewhere, I (usually) stay quiet on the negative stuff because of what we see for reactions here.
You can choose to dismiss somebody if they end up wrong a lot. But give them a chance too. My 2 cents.
Lucius gets injured more than Byron Buxton.
If Chaz can't paly injured in college. He sure in the heck isn't going to play hurt above and beyond college. The more and more as time passes, I'm half way happy Lucius is gone with all his drama. And if his brother and parents want to continue down that path. Cruz can take a hike as well.
Keep your stick on the ice...
I understand skepticism and I understand not wanting to hear potentially negative news (although I’m personally unconvinced that Lucius leaving is a “bad” thing in the big picture) But I don’t think it is good to discourage new contributors who can show balance and can contribute good things to the board. Trolls? Yeah, we don’t want them. Posters who are largely imbalanced and only look for the negative? Yeah, we don’t want them. But don’t go too far or it just hurts the board. Speaking from experience, it is a fine line that you occasionally have to walk when you have information that isn’t widely known. It is sometimes a decision between saying nothing (which I know some people prefer) or saying something a little more vague (but it still contributes conversation). As I said elsewhere, I (usually) stay quiet on the negative stuff because of what we see for reactions here. You can choose to dismiss somebody if they end up wrong a lot. But give them a chance too. My 2 cents.
I don't think anyone is discouraging news...I think we are saying (me anyways) that none of what he said is news and yet our resident malcontent worships him for saying nothing. Just saying "something is coming" is not walking a line, it is just saying "hey look at me I know something and I can't tell you what!".
In the future it would be less annoying (and more defendable) if he said something like "Look for some dominoes to fall on a few players in the next few days that could shake up the roster a bit. I cannot reveal how I know so you can take it with a grain if you like but from what I am hearing it looks like..." (and then here is where you probably give a lesser vague clue to make it clear you are saying some players are leaving without saying they are leaving like how he said bonin would likely predict it) Or after the first bad thing happened they could say "this was something that has been in the works for a bit and don't be surprised if more happens, things are about to get interesting...". again that actually gives info without compromising anything.
That is how people with knowledge tend to put it on message boards when they are trying to get info out there without going too far. Sure, there will still be some people who think that isn't enough info and whine (its the internet we all whine!) but for the most part the majority will see it for what it is and will likely say "alright some players are leaving so let's keep an eye out" and that is that. Just saying "something might happen sometime, and it might be 3 things or 4 things" is just vague word salad that says nothing and can literally be used to take credit for anything that happens. That is at least why I called them out for their post. They didn't walk a line, they were nowhere near the line because they didn't say anything.
Lucius gets injured more than Byron Buxton.
If Chaz can’t paly injured in college. He sure in the heck isn’t going to play hurt above and beyond college. The more and more as time passes, I’m half way happy Lucius is gone with all his drama. And if his brother and parents want to continue down that path. Cruz can take a hike as well.
I'm 50/50 on this thought process. If it's a serious enough injury as to require surgery it's possible him sitting was the right choice to make.
Oh well - onto the future.
I understand skepticism and I understand not wanting to hear potentially negative news (although I’m personally unconvinced that Lucius leaving is a “bad” thing in the big picture) But I don’t think it is good to discourage new contributors who can show balance and can contribute good things to the board. Trolls? Yeah, we don’t want them. Posters who are largely imbalanced and only look for the negative? Yeah, we don’t want them. But don’t go too far or it just hurts the board. Speaking from experience, it is a fine line that you occasionally have to walk when you have information that isn’t widely known. It is sometimes a decision between saying nothing (which I know some people prefer) or saying something a little more vague (but it still contributes conversation). As I said elsewhere, I (usually) stay quiet on the negative stuff because of what we see for reactions here. You can choose to dismiss somebody if they end up wrong a lot. But give them a chance too. My 2 cents.
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But what’s the point if you don’t give the information. The post was just a “I know something you don’t know” post. I agree that having people on the board that can provide insight and information is good, and I think GoldyShuffle can provide a good service for the board. But they if you can’t give the actual information, just keep it to yourself and let the news come out. If you are in a position to provide a real scoop, then go ahead and post about it.
Geezus.... GoldyShuffle can do whatever he/she wants. Don't like it? Ignore it.
Maybe this person is still trying to figure out how to handle news when they get it? Just chill folks.
Do not like how this board is run?
Get your own board!
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I agree with Handy and Composer. The fact that the "prediction" was for something negative doesn't bother me, it's the fact that there was nothing to go from. As Composer said, it was a "I know something you don't" without even giving enough information to start evaluating anything. Especially when you've just shown up out of nowhere and start saying things, why on earth would anyone that doesn't have an emotional investment in you being right about bad news take you seriously? Handy's example of how to phrase things likely still would have had most people waiting to see what happens a few times before giving any real credibility for any behind-the-scenes info.
Short version, until someone demonstrates that they actually HAVE information, even if they can't go in to real details, I'm going to take what they say with a grain of salt.
Hammy, you and Vegoe as examples, have definitely demonstratedyou have sources that they always can't talk about, so you get some leeway on making vague statements. GoldyShuffle seems to be heading that direction as well, but they've been around for like 2 weeks, and when there had been ONE prediction made that turned out to be correct, there's no way I'm relying on anything from them at that point.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
I had high hopes for the Lucius boys since they seemed to be successful at each level. Chaz this season was good but still was the third best player on that line. What never set right with me was they both verbally committed as toddlers and the family background of starting a private school for the purpose of starting an elite hockey team. You always hear about how hockey parents of elite hockey players or so-called elite players can be douchebags and the Lucius dad sounds like he may fit that mold. I don’t know what to believe when it comes to these Lucius kids but they do seem like they are in it for themselves. If Cruz ends up de-committing and going to the WHL then good riddance. I want elite to very good hockey players on the Gophers but I also want players who want to play here and be a part of the team. To go out at the end with your finger pointing at “senior leadership” is bullshit. “I wasn’t happy here because of them!” is a bullshit. Maybe Bob should have said to Chaz everyday what he said in his press release to help Chazs’ ego and then he may have stayed. Chaz left…buh bye. If Cruz decides to leave…buh bye. As the saying goes…the name on the front is a hell of lot more important than the name on the back. Go Gophers!
Think Peter Mueller or Kieffer Bellows.
It would be nice if Jup and Vegoe had an extra edition Podcast to dissect this barrage of developments.
Not that I'd mind a bonus podcast, but there isn't really enough to discuss yet. This is, so far, rather typical offseason stuff.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
For the record: I would not trust anything I post.
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I had high hopes for the Lucius boys since they seemed to be successful at each level. Chaz this season was good but still was the third best player on that line. What never set right with me was they both verbally committed as toddlers and the family background of starting a private school for the purpose of starting an elite hockey team. You always hear about how hockey parents of elite hockey players or so-called elite players can be douchebags and the Lucius dad sounds like he may fit that mold. I don’t know what to believe when it comes to these Lucius kids but they do seem like they are in it for themselves. If Cruz ends up de-committing and going to the WHL then good riddance. I want elite to very good hockey players on the Gophers but I also want players who want to play here and be a part of the team. To go out at the end with your finger pointing at “senior leadership” is bullshit. “I wasn’t happy here because of them!” is a bullshit. Maybe Bob should have said to Chaz everyday what he said in his press release to help Chazs’ ego and then he may have stayed. Chaz left…buh bye. If Cruz decides to leave…buh bye. As the saying goes…the name on the front is a hell of lot more important than the name on the back. Go Gophers!
Think Peter Mueller or Kieffer Bellows.
I thought of Bellows as well. His NHL career has not been stellar for a 19th Overall Selection.
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If I'm GoldyShuffle y'all would annoy the F out of me. Maybe he can just DM me again in the future instead.
I understand skepticism and I understand not wanting to hear potentially negative news (although I’m personally unconvinced that Lucius leaving is a “bad” thing in the big picture) But I don’t think it is good to discourage new contributors who can show balance and can contribute good things to the board. Trolls? Yeah, we don’t want them. Posters who are largely imbalanced and only look for the negative? Yeah, we don’t want them. But don’t go too far or it just hurts the board. Speaking from experience, it is a fine line that you occasionally have to walk when you have information that isn’t widely known. It is sometimes a decision between saying nothing (which I know some people prefer) or saying something a little more vague (but it still contributes conversation). As I said elsewhere, I (usually) stay quiet on the negative stuff because of what we see for reactions here. You can choose to dismiss somebody if they end up wrong a lot. But give them a chance too. My 2 cents.
I don’t have a problem with Goldy Shuffle as a person or poster and don’t want to see him/her leave. It is just my preference not to be told bad news is coming without specifics. In this case it ended up not being that bad because we weren’t left waiting long. However, if I were left waiting for the other shoe to drop all summer long, I’d be pretty pissed.
If I’m GoldyShuffle y’all would annoy the F out of me. Maybe he can just DM me again in the future instead.
can you DM the news too? I appreciate what was posted but I am only 1 person
For the record: I would not trust anything I post.
Way ahead of you on that 😉
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
I think you have to ask yourself during the recruiting process what does a player (and the people around him) have a history of doing. What's his personality? Does he seem to need special treatment? What are the circumstances around him? And so on.
If you sign a kid up that has bounced around, had circumstances that show that he needs special treatment, etc... then you can't be surprised if he bails if circumstances aren't exactly the way he wants.
The player that I think of is Jim O'Brien. He was known as a bit of an odd kid, bounced around a lot prior to college, etc. He abruptly bailed on the program late in the summer for the WHL (and he wasn't forthright about any of it). On one hand, I felt bad for Lucia and the program at the time... but I also felt like the coach put himself in a bad spot by ignoring the player's past. I realize a coach can't be perfect with these things but I do think you can lower your risk by paying close attention to the patterns
Even with recent developments, offseason has to be considered a smashing success. I'd have been thrilled had we returned two of the question marks with regards to stay/go. To return all four is incredible.
Forward group looks a little thin. Would imagine there is more shuffling there with a potential Top 6 option out of the portal and some depth pieces.
I think you have to ask yourself during the recruiting process what does a player (and the people around him) have a history of doing. What’s his personality? Does he seem to need special treatment? What are the circumstances around him? And so on. If you sign a kid up that has bounced around, had circumstances that show that he needs special treatment, etc… then you can’t be surprised if he bails if circumstances aren’t exactly the way he wants. The player that I think of is Jim O’Brien. He was known as a bit of an odd kid, bounced around a lot prior to college, etc. He abruptly bailed on the program late in the summer for the WHL (and he wasn’t forthright about any of it). On one hand, I felt bad for Lucia and the program at the time… but I also felt like the coach put himself in a bad spot by ignoring the player’s past. I realize a coach can’t be perfect with these things but I do think you can lower your risk by paying close attention to the patterns
Jim O'Brien. Pretty good analogy.
Even with recent developments, offseason has to be considered a smashing success. I’d have been thrilled had we returned two of the question marks with regards to stay/go. To return all four is incredible. Forward group looks a little thin. Would imagine there is more shuffling there with a potential Top 6 option out of the portal and some depth pieces.
I'm with you on that. I can't speak to who is available, and certainly am not a judge of whether there would be an even trade-off of these departures and any possible replacements, but I still feel great about the team. And while I guess I personally prefer the days when transferring wasn't so easy, it is what it is, and the Gophers should be a program that can take advantage of the new reality.
If I’m GoldyShuffle y’all would annoy the F out of me. Maybe he can just DM me again in the future instead.
can you DM the news too? I appreciate what was posted but I am only 1 person
Those of us who are fussy about hearing vague negative info may be in the minority too.
Knies-Cooley-Snuggerud
Pitlick-Huglen-Kurth
Pinoniemi-Nelson-Brodzinski
Strobel-Nevers-Schmidt
This is where we’re at as of today. No doubt we’ll add two or more forwards as Mittelstadt is the only extra now. As I said earlier I’d be more worried if we didn’t have a STUD d group back there.
Lucius gets injured more than Byron Buxton.
If Chaz can’t paly injured in college. He sure in the heck isn’t going to play hurt above and beyond college. The more and more as time passes, I’m half way happy Lucius is gone with all his drama. And if his brother and parents want to continue down that path. Cruz can take a hike as well.
I think there is a difference between playing through an injury while in the pros and doing so just before playing in the pros. If you play through an injury, and mess yourself up more, the NHL deal may never come.
When you're the 11th overall draft pick, you are JUST about to make it. Whereas if you are a 4th+ rounder....play through it and show 'em what you got.
I'm afraid that yesterday is a perfect example of the new world of college hockey that we live in now. Gone are the days of simply worrying about early departures to the NHL and a rare case of a player who decides to transfer. The new normal is players who are looking to better their situations in lineups with advisors and parents playing more of a prominent role in how a college roster is constructed. In the "new" NCAA, the players have the power and if they face a bit of adversity, they can choose to leave. Gone are the days when you could follow a recruits development from high school, USHL and college and feel pretty safe that the player would be in school for at least 3 years. I agree that the players were not given a fair shake before, but now they have too much power. The NCAA blew it and there should have been more of a middle ground instead of the now non stop music chairs every off season.
Also, I heard rumors that Cowgirl recently bought Lucius and Broz jerseys, so blame her...
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
Knies-Cooley-Snuggerud Pitlick-Huglen-Kurth Pinoniemi-Nelson-Brodzinski Strobel-Nevers-Schmidt This is where we’re at as of today. No doubt we’ll add two or more forwards as Mittelstadt is the only extra now. As I said earlier I’d be more worried if we didn’t have a STUD d group back there.
Pinoniemi is the X factor. He missed all of the 2nd half of the season and there has been no info anywhere that I could find on the injury. As popular as the Stampede are in this area, the local news and paper really only cver the games, and not much else. He wasn't at the Stampede season ending get together they put on for the STH's. I realize he didn't play since Jan, but he did play for the team for 3 years, so I was hoping that he would have been there. Players who are coming off injuries are normally slow starters the following year or are slowly worked back in the lineup, so he concerns me.
If all else fails, just move one of the extra defensemen up to forward ( I'm kidding )
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
Kids leave programs for different reasons. Who cares. The team was fine before these two departures and they are still fine after.
I'm sure Motzko has a plan. Weather that be a portal add, flipping someone (tough this stage in the game with letters of intent being signed), or bringing another recruit in earlier than expected.
They are still a national contender for next season. Nuff said.
If I’m GoldyShuffle y’all would annoy the F out of me. Maybe he can just DM me again in the future instead.
This has blossomed into quite a love affair, good suggestion of you two getting a room.