Nothing here in Woodbury. No wind. Not even a drop of rain. Sun was out by 6ish.
I've had anxiety for the last 4 days as the weather people hyped it up as the storm of the century. I'm thankful it missed us. We had bad straight line winds back in 2011 that came through in the middle of the night and took out a huge tree and my fence. My 2 kids were little back then. I woke up and heard what sounded like a freight train. Wife and I bolted out of bed, each of us grabbed a kid from their rooms, and ran downstairs. The experience freaked me the hell out and we had a mess to clean up come daybreak.
I lost my favorite tree in that storm. Planted a Colorado Spruce in it's place about a year later and it's finally getting to a decent size and is a beautiful tree. I'll be super bummed if a storm were to take that one out too.
Given the "map" I expected some hard rain, maybe a light show. Nothing too severe. But NOTHING. This morning was crazy, and then Mother Nature just chilled out.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Sadly I think the weather people have to overhype everything now to CYA. Whether it be a snowstorm, rainstorm - if they over promise and nothing happens, 🤷♀️. If they undersell and someone gets hurt because of the weather then they’ll probably get sued for not letting the public know something bad was coming. Thats my dumb theory anyways.
Well, that and with the state of our planet the weather is just that much harder to accurately predict than it might have been the last couple decades.
Name a job you can be as wrong as the weather person and still have a job!!!
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NOAA/NWS/SPC (Storm Prediction Center) aren't the ones hyping everything up. That's The Weather Channel and local news outlets. Yes, the NWS did post the outlooks publicly, but, if we look at the area that the outlook covered vs where the storms happened, there is significant overlap. It just happens that the majority of people live in the one little blotch of the "Moderate Risk" area that got missed yesterday.
There were multiple tornado warnings both north and south of the cities, whether or not one may have been allegedly "debunked" by someone on YouTube. And, watching the radar as it happened, I could easily see why the NWS was issuing those tornado warnings. The storms could easily have been or turned tornadic, and we're still waiting for word about if the one storm by Fairbault did have a tornado, the NWS will be checking the damage and reporting back.
Also, there were 80 mph winds (anything over 58 counts as a "severe" thunderstorm), multiple reports of 3 inch hail (anything 1 inch or more qualifies as severe). So, the forecast for some significant severe weather was certainly on point, tornadoes or not.
Then, I didn't comment on it yesterday, but, something I noticed was that on Saturday, they had it as a "moderate" risk for the southeast third or so of the state. That never reached up to "high" risk. That may not seem like it means anything, but most frequently, when the really nasty storms come through, that's what happens. See a moderate risk showing up on the day 3 forecast, still moderate on day 2, but then high risk on day 1, as things get closer and confidence goes up. As @g-manpuck mentioned yesterday, it likely came down to the sun (or lack of it). If the clouds had cleared (or at least greatly lightened up) over the cities/immediately southwest of the cities, there's a greater chance that something more would have happened here, too.
Finally, let's look at what the different risk categories actually mean. "Moderate Risk" (which is what we had yesterday) means: "High confidence that many storms will contain damaging winds, severe hail and/or tornadoes" Which is exactly what occurred yesterday, just not in the metro area, it was all in the part of the Moderate Risk forecast area outside the metro.
In the end, the real problem is The Weather Channel being an entertainment venue, not a science venue, and all the hype they put into things as a result.
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One could argue given the large number variable and the unpredictability of the variables and coupled with the size of impacted areas they do a remarkably good job. As @steve-mn mentions weather forecasting is (or has) moving from a science to entertainment driven medium and cuts to NOAA will not help this transition as it puts more impetus on the entertainment side.
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St. Louis Park shoots the gap once again. I’m not complaining. Some good gusts as the front went by, though.
Coming home from work, 394 was dead, along with the side roads. I think more than a few people took off of work early to avoid The Storm.
But, nothing happened here. Might get some rain later, but nothing big.
I despise the weather terrorism... my kids had some of their after school sports cancelled and barely a drop of rain fell during the 3-6 pm time slot. The hockey camp I'm coaching had probably 50% of the kids skip out with a couple parents asking if the rink was even going to be open. At least we had the four coaches all show up so we had our best coach to player ratio of the session.
Gotta love extreme risk-aversion (odd for someone who's kids are playing hockey of all things) overlapping with the over-hyped sensationalism of The Weather Channel.St. Louis Park shoots the gap once again. I’m not complaining. Some good gusts as the front went by, though.
Coming home from work, 394 was dead, along with the side roads. I think more than a few people took off of work early to avoid The Storm.
But, nothing happened here. Might get some rain later, but nothing big.I despise the weather terrorism... my kids had some of their after school sports cancelled and barely a drop of rain fell during the 3-6 pm time slot. The hockey camp I'm coaching had probably 50% of the kids skip out with a couple parents asking if the rink was even going to be open. At least we had the four coaches all show up so we had our best coach to player ratio of the session.
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Blame the people who sue if you keep practice on only to have a storm blow through and someone is injured. Blame the juries who hand out ridiculous amounts of money to people who get hurt in these situations.St. Louis Park shoots the gap once again. I’m not complaining. Some good gusts as the front went by, though.
Coming home from work, 394 was dead, along with the side roads. I think more than a few people took off of work early to avoid The Storm.
But, nothing happened here. Might get some rain later, but nothing big.I despise the weather terrorism... my kids had some of their after school sports cancelled and barely a drop of rain fell during the 3-6 pm time slot. The hockey camp I'm coaching had probably 50% of the kids skip out with a couple parents asking if the rink was even going to be open. At least we had the four coaches all show up so we had our best coach to player ratio of the session.
In an ideal world people would be able to make their own decisions on whether or not their kids attend practice given the weather forecast and coaches would excuse players for making the safe decision. And should anything weather related happen to cause an injury, it's on the parent who sent their kid to practice in bad weather.
But that's not the world we live in. Meteorologists use the latest models to provide the most accurate forecast. It is not an exact science and never will be. Schools err on the side of caution to avoid lawsuits. Josie misses practice. Timmy's game gets rescheduled. Life moves on, but people still complain.
Bertogliat is just happy there is no hail damage now that insurance companies are moving to deductibles of 1% of the cost of the home...... While I love a good storm, I don't want to pay thousands of dollars for the brief show.
The only scenario which my kid would miss hockey is if I couldn't protect my car from hail.Gotta love extreme risk-aversion (odd for someone who's kids are playing hockey of all things) overlapping with the over-hyped sensationalism of The Weather Channel.St. Louis Park shoots the gap once again. I’m not complaining. Some good gusts as the front went by, though.
Coming home from work, 394 was dead, along with the side roads. I think more than a few people took off of work early to avoid The Storm.
But, nothing happened here. Might get some rain later, but nothing big.I despise the weather terrorism... my kids had some of their after school sports cancelled and barely a drop of rain fell during the 3-6 pm time slot. The hockey camp I'm coaching had probably 50% of the kids skip out with a couple parents asking if the rink was even going to be open. At least we had the four coaches all show up so we had our best coach to player ratio of the session.
As someone whose livelihood is dependent on the weather, I have learned to use the forecasts as a guide, not a general rule. I know the metro didn't get any of the rough stuff, but there was plenty of it in southern MN. There were reports of golf ball to baseball size hail south of me, and funnel clouds and tornados were spotted in various areas. It sucks that some after school activities were canceled, but be glad that the weathermen were wrong this time. Predicting the weather is like a sporting event. You really don't know the outcome until it's over.
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There were multiple tornado warnings both north and south of the cities, whether or not one may have been allegedly "debunked" by someone on YouTube. And, watching the radar as it happened, I could easily see why the NWS was issuing those tornado warnings. The storms could easily have been or turned tornadic
I only pointed that instance out because on Y'all's stream he had a chaser right at the point where the radar showed the circulation and it didn't meet what the radar WAS showing. Hall did tell his viewers to always heed NWS warnings regardless of what the chaser was showing. Practice caution is those situations rather than ignore them.
Now this is a personal gripe...I still wish that counties wouldn't set off sirens when a tornado warning is given when the possible tornado is over 30 miles away. I understand the NEED to inform people in the possible path but I wish they could really practice a little caution in hitting that button so fast and easy. I know that with cuts to NOAA that things will remain this way because it is way easier to apologize for setting them off early or for cautions sake rather than too late or not at all.
Another gripe...schools closing early yesterday because of the forecast. A lot of schools in SW Mn closed around 1:00 pm because of the outlook of the storm.
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And, if had been only to the south, or only to the north of the cities, ok, let's start questioning the forecast. When the system comes though and has one relatively small (given the overall size) gap in the storms, and it just happens to be over the cities, I get that's where most of the people are, but, the forecast was right on in the larger view.As someone whose livelihood is dependent on the weather, I have learned to use the forecasts as a guide, not a general rule. I know the metro didn't get any of the rough stuff, but there was plenty of it in southern MN. There were reports of golf ball to baseball size hail south of me, and funnel clouds and tornados were spotted in various areas. It sucks that some after school activities were canceled, but be glad that the weathermen were wrong this time. Predicting the weather is like a sporting event. You really don't know the outcome until it's over.
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As to the first part, that's why the NWS is always looking for trained spotters to report what's happening on the ground. For example, in Mankato, the lowest sweep of the radar is @3500 feet above ground. That's a lot of room for unvertainty as to what's happening in that gap. If anyone is interested (particularly outside the metro area) feel free to DM me, I can probably get you pointed in the right direction.There were multiple tornado warnings both north and south of the cities, whether or not one may have been allegedly "debunked" by someone on YouTube. And, watching the radar as it happened, I could easily see why the NWS was issuing those tornado warnings. The storms could easily have been or turned tornadic
I only pointed that instance out because on Y'all's stream he had a chaser right at the point where the radar showed the circulation and it didn't meet what the radar WAS showing. Hall did tell his viewers to always heed NWS warnings regardless of what the chaser was showing. Practice caution is those situations rather than ignore them.
Now this is a personal gripe...I still wish that counties wouldn't set off sirens when a tornado warning is given when the possible tornado is over 30 miles away. I understand the NEED to inform people in the possible path but I wish they could really practice a little caution in hitting that button so fast and easy. I know that with cuts to NOAA that things will remain this way because it is way easier to apologize for setting them off early or for cautions sake rather than too late or not at all.
Another gripe...schools closing early yesterday because of the forecast. A lot of schools in SW Mn closed around 1:00 pm because of the outlook of the storm.
Part 2: Can't blame the counties on that. The warnings are issued by the NWS. They have started implementing partial-county alerts in the cities already (there are 6 zones for Hennepin County, for example) they just haven't been put in place yet across the board.
As to the last one, well, with as ugly as that system was looking coming through, I can sort of understand that, but that's a tough call to try to make for sure.
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Had a 3am wake up from the weather radio alerting us of a Tornado Warning. Fortunately nothing developed but some strong winds and some rain. Glad we have a weather radio as none of the local stations had a details other than where the warning area was at that hour of the night.
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The last 2.5 days have been a real good rain soaker. No we need a good stretch of 5 days in the low 70's.
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How do our resident farmers feel about the recent rain?
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How do our resident farmers feel about the recent rain?
I ended up with 2.5 to 3 inches of rain, depending on the farm in the last week. Some flooding. Will take the rain, even if I lose a couple of acres. But, I got hail as well. 1 farm should be ok, but farm #2 may need to be replanted. Too early to tell, but should know by early next week. Need heat to see if the plants respond. I was more worried about possible frost last week and then this happens.
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We got 3.4 inches over the last 7 days. There is just a little water standing here and there so we needed it.
Around Mankato there seems to be quite the lack of consensus on how much rain we got. KEYC is reporting only 1.33" at their station in Upper North Mankato and the airport reported 1.84" but I have friends around town that had anywhere from 2.75" to 4.25". My boss who only lives two blocks from KEYC had 2.5" in her rain gauge. All of it was needed anyway so the amount didn't matter. It will make the grass and the crops grow if we can get some warm sun here in the near future.
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This sums up the past few days
https://twitter.com/opelifemn/status/1929940223997157472?t=CYRvAGqT6SBOxaDsOsyOzg&s=19
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Ick
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Ick
I read it'll only get worse after the rain leaves. I went out for lunch today and the smell of the smoke was strong and gross. Like when your neighbor decides to burn green wood right at bedtime. Very acrid.
Yeah, it tastes terrible outside today.
Bad hail and wind storm here 24 hours ago. Lotta crop damage. Also lots of REA poles broke off and farmsites still without power. Luckily, ours was only out for 3 hours.
Bad hail and wind storm here 24 hours ago. Lotta crop damage. Also lots of REA poles broke off and farmsites still without power. Luckily, ours was only out for 3 hours.
Rats. Hope your crop(s) survived.
The air should be better soon…
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Our six year old calls air like this “spicy.” Looks to be moving out now.