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This is The GPL Podcast, part of the Pulltab Sports family.
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You know, I think there is some shenanigans happening in the goalie community.
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Are you gonna speak on that?
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In the goalie community, oh, a former goalie?
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You know I got a rap with Goalie Nation, but...
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Okay, we gotta complete the same question.
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Duck, duck.
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Goose.
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It ain't great duck, it's goose.
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But the Big Ten is a bad conference.
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That's a joke.
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If this gets clipped, that's a joke.
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Oh, no, no, no!
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Definitely clicking that one now.
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Now, here's Jupiter and Vegoe.
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Actually unmute the mic, because I had us muted.
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Live stuff.
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I laugh.
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It's not an exhibition.
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Live from the Ralph.
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Here we are, folks.
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Episode 245.
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I'm already getting text messages.
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People are already bugging me.
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So here we are, guys.
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We have been talking about this for years coming up here and doing a show.
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It's finally happened.
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For me, it was a fun drive up.
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It was exciting.
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I'm thinking about the weekend, not just the hockey, but the people.
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We just met some of the Engelstad family that was just here.
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It's not about just the hockey base.
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It's kind of the whole thing.
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Well, that's what makes college hockey great, especially this series so awesome, is the fans and the history and how much everyone puts into it.
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You can just feel as you talk to the players on North Dakota Week, how excited everyone is, all the great memories they have of the series and how players are trying to make their own mark on the series.
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Yeah, you know, for the fans, if you watch some of the highlights of last year's series, you just see Minnesota and North Dakota fans sitting by each other all throughout the arena.
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I think they went back and forth all weekend.
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Minnesota wins one and overtime.
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North Dakota wins one and overtime.
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That's probably epitomizes the series, you know, just two fantastic games.
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Both of them are just great games.
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And, you know, when you think of over the years, there just are so few times you leave the rink saying, you know, that wasn't very good, you know.
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Well, there was a couple of Marriott games.
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There were a couple.
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What won?
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The second game was a good game.
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That came down to the very end.
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Yeah, it was.
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North Dakota had the block shot 6 on 5 at the end of that game.
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So there have been, but the number of times they played, the percentage of times that they've come through with thrilling games is quite high.
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That's pretty funny.
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I was asking Jimmy Snuggerwood this week, you know, what's his favorite memory of this rivalry?
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And he's like, well, you know, I had a front seat to watch Matthew Nye's drive for the overtime winner.
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I was like, that's got to be right up there for me.
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It's the loudest I've ever heard of hockey rink.
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And that just shows you what it means to these players today.
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And the atmosphere, as he talked about how loud it was last year.
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And even though they're in different leagues, and you know, their rivalry probably isn't quite the same because of that.
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But I mean, man, I find it hard to believe there's something better in Kalachaki.
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Well, let's recap kind of last weekend, Veegs, kind of a home and home with St.
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Thomas.
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Home game, Marriott, she was a little bit too bad, but it kind of started off at the X Friday nights.
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And the whole student section for St.
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Thomas was there.
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Yeah, I think that just shows the potential that St.
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Thomas has the school as a program.
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They're going to be a real player in Kalachaki sooner rather than later.
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I think that just added to that atmosphere, you know, that no rivalry between St.
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Thomas and Minnesota, but it certainly felt like one.
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And I think the way that Minnesota played and allowed St.
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Thomas to really get into it on Friday night, added to kind of that emotion for the St.
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Thomas student section.
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You know, the first period Minnesota played OK, and they got two nice goals, you know, one from Jackson Nelson, one from Aaron Huglund, and maybe they're thinking, OK, let's get some points.
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Let's feel good about our game.
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And then that second period, they kind of forgot about how hard you have to play in college hockey, especially defensively with positioning and battling.
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And they let the Tommies right into it.
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And all of a sudden we had a hockey game.
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I do believe Bob's where it's like, I don't know who that team was or something to that effect.
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When you talked about the second period.
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Yes, that second period, you know, the transition from summer hockey to actual hockey season is very, very different.
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All of a sudden you get next to someone and you're like, oh, I got them covered.
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You don't have their stick.
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You're not feeling where they are.
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And all of a sudden that puck comes in and you're not ready.
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You're behind the defense wide open.
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Yeah, or, you know, you're a defenseman on the rush and you follow the rush all the way below the dots behind the net.
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And then you're not ready to get back and back check and play defense because in summer hockey, maybe you'll go for a line change or something.
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But in real hockey, no one's coming on for you.
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And you got to get back.
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Yeah, you think the league that a lot of those guys play in, they're playing four on four and it's just three sports hockey, no defense.
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Yeah.
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Maybe Dinah.
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What's that?
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Beauty League.
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Beauty League.
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Yes.
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Looks like quite a few of them play in there and it's just all-star type of game hockey.
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Yeah.
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So it was a real wake up call.
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I think the film session Saturday morning was intense according to some of the players.
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Jimmy Sagerud actually called it the Coaches Day Saturday.
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They go through the clips and I think it was a learning lesson for him because it showed them on Saturday they played a much tighter game.
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I still saw some defensemen going for walks in the offensive zone and getting deep, but they were getting back.
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Yeah.
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They were getting back to their positioning.
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It was a much cleaner game for them.
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A much better defensive game obviously.
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I mean, there's the shutout, but they played, it wasn't just wasn't the goalie's fault, wasn't close to fault anyway on Friday night.
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They just played better defensively, kept them to the outsides of a now smaller rank.
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Yeah.
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Bob calls it, don't go looking for trouble because when you go and look for offense, sometimes you're going to get yourself in trouble.
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Yeah.
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If you just let the game come to you, you're going to be a better hockey player, and you're going to put yourself in better positions.
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I go back and look at someone like Jackson Lacombe.
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He was looking for trouble a lot as a young hockey player.
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But as he matured, he let the situations come to him up much better, and then he was able to be more productive, get just as many points and not give away as many.
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On the other side, you guys had the icebreaker.
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You hosted it here, didn't you?
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Yeah.
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Speaking with the people coming in tonight, they said the Wisconsin game was rather rowdy.
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Yeah.
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Because a lot of the students and fans had been partying all day after a big win by the football team.
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Drinking since early in the morning, and then they're like, let's finish the night here.
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Yeah.
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I hear it was just a wild atmosphere.
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It was.
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It started in the parking lot of the Alaris Center at bright and early in the morning, and yeah, the football team beat their rival, North Dakota State.
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It was the first time in 20 years they had beaten them.
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They'd only played five times in that span, so it's not like they had lost 19-year-old.
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But still, they hadn't experienced that in a long time, and obviously, they've had a lot of success, so that and the fans come on over here afterwards.
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It's another long-time traditional rival.
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Wisconsin played with a little bit more of an edge than I recall seeing in the last couple of years.
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You can see that.
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You can see it already.
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And it was, you know, North Dakota won at 2-0.
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I felt the score was a little misleading.
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It felt like more of a 4-3 game than 2-0.
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Wisconsin hit the post five times.
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So, you know, Ludwig Person played very well in that.
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Got a little help from the posts.
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North Dakota probably generated more than, you know, two goals usually.
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So that's misleading, but great game.
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And I think Wisconsin is going to be a really good team this year.
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They got some great pieces.
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Just makes the Big Ten stronger, Veegs.
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It's really hard to pick the Big Ten, one to seven right now.
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I think all seven of them have the potential to be in the tournament discussion based on how they do in their non-conference.
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It's going to be a battle to the end of the year.
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Well, I just think of both teams this weekend have a gauntlet now for the next few weeks.
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North Dakota is Minnesota coming in this week.
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They had Wisconsin last week, one game.
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You've got Duluth and Mankato.
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They've got Minnesota State first, then they go to BU after that.
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BU that's right.
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So they, you know, and obviously I've saw Minnesota stretch too.
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So these, we're going to find out a lot about both teams early on.
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Because, you know, next week, Wisconsin comes to town.
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And it's a home and home with Duluth.
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And then we're going to Michigan.
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You're right, I think a lot is going to be learned in the next couple of weeks.
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But will a lot be learned?
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It's still early in the season.
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It's definitely early and Minnesota has got so many young defensemen that they have to play right now.
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And we'll probably get to this later, but Ryan Chesley picked up an injury late in the game against St.
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Thomas on Saturday.
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He's questionable for this weekend.
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Mike Kester picked up a lower body injury in preseason skates and still isn't back.
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He was on the ice this week, but he's still a ways away from playing.
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So Minnesota is having to get these young defensemen in the game right now.
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And it's a lot of ice time for them, especially when last year they were used to throwing out Faber and Lecombe and Johnson for all these key situations.
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Now, they're having to go to Middlestadt, Chesley, and Cal Thomas, and they're trying to get Rinzel up to speed.
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He's a talented player, but it's a big leap from juniors to college hockey, especially the scheduled Minnesota plays.
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I think I saw Saturday night that Chesley played 28 minutes for Minnesota, and that was more minutes than any of their D played almost at any time last year.
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Like that, I definitely, that was eye-opening seeing that number there.
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It was a big seventh man rotation last year, Veegs.
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And you got a guy out, all of a sudden, it's not anymore.
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Yeah, I mean, they're trying to get all seven defensemen right now in the lineup.
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Yep.
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But it's tough because St.
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Thomas is playing hard, and it's challenging to get these young players out there.
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And Chesley adds something to the lineup that not all the other defensemen do.
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He can skate, he can be physical, he can join the rush.
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I think one thing for his development, he's going to have to learn how to play those minutes and be effective.
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Because I think his game went up and down where he checked in and checked out.
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Maybe trying to catch a breath on the ice.
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He's got to learn, you can't really do that.
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You ought to be in the game all the time.
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And that ice time is probably without him playing any power play time either.
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I didn't look at that part.
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Because it's been middle set, Renzel mostly in the power play.
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We've got Corey Vee.
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Public should have access to time on ice.
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Yeah, I know.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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Veeze, before we get too much further here, I know we need to, we've got a couple of spots we want to talk about.
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It's just to look good, weren't you?
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Yeah, I had to freshen up.
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Let me tell you, Veegs, I'm going to use a little bit of the news anchor myself.
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Getting some volume?
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George, one thing with my hair though, Veegs, is that sometimes if it gets too big, I look more like one of the Cotter kids from Welcome Back Cotter.
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For all you young kids out there, old 70s TV show, big hair.
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I don't even know that one.
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Wow.
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I am so old.
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We'll just say that now.
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But also we need to talk about FURTA Veegs.
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Yeah.
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It's good stuff.
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You know, we like a lot of those products in their two weeks.
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It's part of their fundraising.
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Yeah.
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That mango habanero salsa.
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That's great stuff.
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I like the garlic.
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You like the garlic?
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I like the garlic.
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I need a little heat to my salsa.
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Yeah.
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Glad you a salsa guy.
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I agree.
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Yeah.
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We might find a little salsa later tonight.
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Where are we going later, guys?
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Half?
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Half Brothers.
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Half Brothers.
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I've been so excited about getting Vegoe some local brews here.
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I was worn no beer in the suite here at the Ralph.
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Correct.
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So we have to take care of GPL Podcast.
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I'm not talking game day.
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Yeah, game day.
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Well, apparently, last weekend it was flowing pretty freely.
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But I'm looking forward to something afterwards.
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Yeah, we'll have a GPL Podcast for the weekend.
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Definitely.
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I want to kind of talk about the history of these two teams, guys.
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Obviously, new leagues, they don't play as much anymore.
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It might not be as heated.
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I think the players aren't as heated anymore.
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It might be more of the fans.
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They don't play as much.
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What do you think, Veegs?
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Well, I think the fans get more excited.
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The players do too, but it's not 15 years ago.
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Well, it's modern hockey too.
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A lot of these players grow up playing together.
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We were talking about guys on this year's teams.
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Who knows each other?
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It's like, Snuggerud and Jackson Blake.
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Jackson Blake are buddies all the way back.
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They grew up playing summer hockey together, AAA teams together, in tournaments together.
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That's just kind of modern hockey.
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There isn't, you know, I grew up in Eden Prairie and I grew up in Edina and we hate each other.
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Those kids kind of play with each other growing up all the way.
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So now it's a little different.
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And when they get to college, it's the same way.
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And I think the fact that you're not playing each other four times a year probably contributes a little bit to that as well, because the more you play someone, you know, the harder the grudges get.
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You're not competing for the same trophy.
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You're not going for the McNaughton Cup every year.
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You know, that was a big deal.
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I do think they feed off the energy of the crowd, though.
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Like, even if you had no idea of the North Dakota Minnesota rivalry, and you dropped into those games last year, you would understand it very quickly that things are different that weekend.
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And I think the players feed off of that a little bit.
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But I do think it's a little different than it was 15 years ago.
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And I found that even when St.
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Cloud came last year, the home and home, I was talking to them, I think it was...
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I can't remember who I was speaking with, one of the...
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It might have been their SID.
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It's like, this is fun, but it's just not quite the same.
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Because there's no points on it.
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Yeah.
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And it's in October.
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No team really knows each other yet, right?
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I came up here and I was warm outside.
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I wasn't breathing.
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I remember they played a series up here as conference opponents really early in the year.
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And it kind of had that feel.
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It was like neither team really knows what they are yet.
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When they had those January battles, they're fighting for positioning.
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You kind of knew what each team was by that point.
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And right now, you've got two teams that have very different decors.
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They're trying to find their way there, trying to see where guys are going to slot in in lineups.
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And who knows where both of them are going to be at the end of the year, no matter what their result is this weekend.
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Well, I think one key thing with these programs is every year they're trying to fill some holes.
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And it's usually with talented freshmen.
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And they are just getting acclimated to college hockey.
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I think one of the things that makes Bob Mosco such a good coach is he puts them in big roles right away.
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We're seeing Oliver Moore play lots of minutes up front.
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We're seeing Sam Ranziel play lots of minutes on the blue line.
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They're both getting special teams time.
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That's not common across many sports where coaches kind of let their freshmen cook like that.
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I think North Dakota is in the same boat.
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They've got 14 new players, a lot of them grad portal guys, but it's the same kind of situation.
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It's a little different playing for their previous schools than it is this week out here.
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For sure.
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And then they've got freshmen playing huge roles too.
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Both teams have the type of freshmen that are able to handle that.
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You know, I think Saturday night's game last season, you probably could make a really good argument.
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The two best players on the ice were Jimmy Snuggerud and Jackson Blake, and they were both freshmen.
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You know, they were both fantastic in that game.
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And, you know, you mentioned Oliver Moore.
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Fans are going to see him.
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Minnesota fans are going to see Jaden Perron for the first time.
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Special players that are going to make an impact.
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And just because you're a freshman doesn't mean you can't do it in this game, because they did it last year.
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And kind of going off that veegs, the freshman in a big game like this will also make mistakes, which could really turn the tide on any of these games real quickly.
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We've seen it a lot of times.
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And that's kind of one thing I think we've always loved about college hockey is that there's a lot more mistakes in college hockey.
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And when pressure like this, 14,000 people or whatever in the arena tomorrow night, both teams are going to be nervous.
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Both freshmen are going to be nervous.
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Don't make a mistake, girl.
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Don't make a mistake.
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So it's kind of a double edged sword there.
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The freshmen can get a sink or swim there.
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Well, and you want your players to learn what they can pull off and what they can't.
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Yeah.
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And it's October.
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So this is the time to do that.
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This is the time to see how much rope you can handle and what kind of plays you can pull off out there.
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I think that's part of what makes college hockey great.
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And especially this rivalry is the players so badly want to make a mark on this game.
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We were talking about the history.
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Ryan Lindgren, when he was a freshman, wanted to make his mark and make his presence known.
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And he grabs the North Dakota captain and gets into a scuffle on like his first or second shift to the game to set the tone.
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And the players want to do that.
19:42
Yeah.
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I mean, like you said, the mistakes, I mean, last year it was Logan Cooley, freshman getting a five-minute major in that game.
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And that played a role.
19:52
You know, you don't have one of your most dynamic players in the lineup trying to rally.
19:57
Pitlick throwing a stick.
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Pitlick that changed the whole game.
20:02
Emotions get the better.
20:03
No, forget it.
20:04
It was a great moment.
20:05
It was fun, but it affected the game a lot.
20:10
It was funny.
20:11
I was just thinking, you know, PJ the Flack this year, one of his things is there's no momentum in football.
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It doesn't exist.
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He tries to downplay it.
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I think he's trying to tell his players be mature enough to not let momentum impact you.
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In the Western game, there's a little momentum at the end there.
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Maybe.
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Momentum has a huge factor in games, especially hockey.
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When you throw your stick into the crowd and you get that penalty or you have to sit out or whatever, it impacts the game.
20:36
It fires up the other team.
20:38
Though I think a North Dakota player saw that moment that I might want to do that later in the season.
20:42
Yeah, Jackson Blake did.
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Yeah, after an overtime goal, he did.
20:48
Oh, that's different, though.
20:51
He picked it.
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He picked the time a little bit better.
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That did not save him from getting grilled by his teammates after that afterwards.
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But yeah, I thought more than anything it killed Minnesota's momentum.
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They scored the goal, everyone was into it, and then it was like, oh, but now he's in the penalty box for 10 minutes.
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There's no minor penalty.
21:15
Then he did get benched for a little while.
21:20
Yeah.
21:21
Then there were penalties that followed that though.
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In North Dakota, they had a couple of power play goals, I believe, during that 10-minute span, and that's what got them going.
21:30
But yeah, I thought that was-
21:33
But mistakes.
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Again, but it's an emotional, it's a big game, you're excited, and it can be tough to control those emotions.
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These weekends are so great because of that.
21:44
The emotion, the electric atmosphere is big.
21:49
Just driving up, that's what I was thinking about the whole entire time.
21:52
Well, I was listening to a bunch of podcasts, I was listening to Brad on the podcast, I was listening to National guys talking about, and every one of them, they're talking about this series.
22:01
So the eyes of college hockey are definitely on a one versus five matchup, and hopefully, it pays off.
22:09
Before we actually get into the weekend, Bigs, I noticed we've had a couple of people agree to come to the University of Minnesota.
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One of them was kind of a flip in LJ Mooney, and we have Hayden Reed, and then as you're driving up, what was it?
22:23
Jacob Rombach.
22:25
So we've got three commits this week.
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What do you know about them?
22:29
Well, it's kind of funny during the media day when Cole Iserman decommitted from Minnesota, I was going out east to stay home, I kind of asked Bob, you know, a lot of fans are nervous about the state of Gopher recruiting.
22:42
He's like, I'm not nervous.
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Minnesota hockey is in good hands.
22:47
And I think if I would have known these players were committing to Minnesota, I would have felt a little more comfortable about the state of recruiting.
22:53
But LJ Mooney is probably going to be a first round type talent.
22:56
He's a little guy.
22:58
He's, you know, five, seven, 160 pounds.
23:01
Yeah, if that.
23:02
Yeah.
23:03
But, you know, he's got some of that Cole Caulfield in him.
23:06
And he's a relative, isn't he a cousin or something?
23:09
Cousin of Cooley.
23:09
Yeah.
23:10
Yeah.
23:10
So everybody who thought maybe there are some issues with Cooley and the Gopher program, the cousin's committing to Minnesota.
23:17
It's probably okay.
23:18
He probably feels good about the experience, but he's a high end talent.
23:24
Reed is not as much of a big talent.
23:26
He's more of a hardworking late bloomer guy.
23:28
He was committed to Colgate, decommitted with the coaching change that was happening there.
23:33
Colgate coach retired, and so he opened it up.
23:37
But he's kind of made his own way the last couple of years, getting into the USHL this year and adjusting there.
23:42
And this kid from Spring Lake Park, late bloomer.
23:46
He's 6'5, multi-sport athlete, really impressed at the NDP evaluations this summer.
23:54
Decided, he didn't...
23:56
Well, I don't know if he got offered there or not, but he's probably going on the right path with, I think, Lincoln right now in the USHL.
24:02
So he's kind of feeling that out, but he's a late bloomer.
24:04
So all of a sudden, you look at Minnesota's recruiting, they've got between Romach, Grimes, and Maceo Phillips.
24:13
They've got three big-time defensemen committed.
24:16
And then you look at LJ Mooney up front, things are looking pretty good for Gopher recruiting.
24:21
And I noticed Jess Myers did tweet today, you can't teach 6'5.
24:26
Yeah, they're big with Romach and Phillips.
24:32
And D isn't actually that small this year.
24:37
Number 5 is a big kid.
24:38
Yeah, Renzel is a big kid.
24:40
It's going to be interesting to see how he handles this series.
24:43
I think against St.
24:44
Thomas.
24:45
Because he likes to push it up the ice a lot.
24:48
He can't do that here.
24:50
Yeah.
24:50
So I'm really interested to see what happens when he crosses the red line in this series.
24:53
If he plays a little more conservative and lets the game come to him.
24:57
I was talking to Luke Middlestad about Saturday being Coach's Day.
25:01
He said, well, it's been Coach's Week.
25:03
So I think the coaching staff has really been in the years of the defensemen, especially about being on the right side of the puck in all situations and making smart decisions.
25:11
Because I think this team proved on Saturday, when you got Jimmy Snuggeroot out there, offense can come pretty easily when those chancers are there.
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Okay, I saw a question here for Brad.
27:07
I'll read it to you.
27:09
Ryan K is asking, does Brad have any deep insights with things going on across college hockey?
27:15
Rules that may be under consideration, tournament regionals, anything kind of going on behind the scenes?
27:21
I know Eric Martenson is kind of part of some higher committees now.
27:25
He is.
27:27
He's the chair of the rules committee and this is a rules change year.
27:31
So what you'll see him doing this weekend is he'll probably have a notebook with him.
27:37
And when he sees something happen in a game, it gets his mind thinking and he'll jot it down.
27:43
Like this is something to discuss.
27:44
Oh, this is something to discuss.
27:47
He loves the role.
27:49
He is quite passionate about making college hockey better and more entertaining for the fans and things of that nature.
27:57
And so as the years go on, he'll have some ideas.
28:02
He'll get feedback from coaches who will say, hey, look, this isn't working or this is something that we'll do.
28:09
So I don't know if there's anything right now that I know for certain is going to come up.
28:13
But I bet if you ask me in February, we'll have some things that, you know, we'll say, OK, this is becoming a trend and this can't happen anymore.
28:22
So definitely something to watch.
28:26
And I'm sure fans will have some suggestions for everyone on the committee because people have ideas of how to make the game better, which is great.
28:36
And Eric's one of them.
28:37
So I'm curious to see what happens there.
28:41
And actually a big thanks to Eric Martinson.
28:44
I met him I think 10 or 15 years ago at the WCHA Final Five.
28:49
The Minnesota Staffs crew used to do all the Final Five, but they'd also bring in somebody because they needed help.
28:54
There were some fly going up.
28:56
Eric Martinson would come in, help with staffs.
28:59
And then last year when they were down at Mariucci, I'm like, we'd love to come up there and do a podcast.
29:04
Come on up.
29:05
So big thanks to Eric for setting us all up so we could be here tonight.
29:10
And of course, Alec Johnson as well, helping us get in the building tonight.
29:15
They were a little hazy, like, what are you doing here?
29:18
Kind of Gopher is doing in this building.
29:20
But big thanks to those two guys for allowing us to come in here.
29:25
But guys, what about this weekend, Bigs?
29:28
Bigs, what do you want to see?
29:30
Well, one thing I'm excited to see is Oliver Moore at Wing.
29:33
I know if people have been following The Gopher Puck Live Podcast for a long time.
29:37
Sometimes I really like these speedy guys to be put on the wing so they can get up and down the rank and not worry so much about defense and responsibilities.
29:46
Sandy Walker, something like that.
29:49
Yeah, he just got called up to the water.
29:51
And do you know what position he's playing?
29:53
Not center, not center.
29:54
He's playing wing.
29:55
So he's proven to be a pretty effective player.
29:58
I've had a couple of sit downs with Bob over the last year or two.
30:01
We still agree to disagree on some of that decision making.
30:05
But seeing him at wing will be really interesting to see.
30:08
They'll put Brody Lamb to center.
30:10
They tried him there a little bit during the preseason skates after a series against St.
30:14
Thomas where that body positioning and defensive priority has to come in.
30:19
Maybe they say Lamb might be better for the next little stretch here, move more to wing.
30:24
So it'll be interesting to see how he does there because he obviously is fast.
30:29
Preseason media, Mr.
30:31
Lamb.
30:32
Moscow was big on him and Kurtz as well.
30:38
Three goals already on the season.
30:41
He had four all of those.
30:43
He's playing on the right line.
30:44
That is true.
30:46
When your other was suckered and four, it's going to come a little easier.
30:50
You still got to put the puck away.
30:52
And it's nice to see, you know, that's what Moscow has been talking about so long.
30:56
You got to see players advance.
30:58
You got to see them take another step the next year.
31:01
And we're seeing that out of him.
31:03
And even Pino Nemi, I mean, he hasn't scored yet, but he's hitting bodies.
31:08
They're out there causing trouble.
31:10
We'll see.
31:11
Pino's got a little bit more to show.
31:13
I think Bob is trying to hope that Pino Nemi talks a little positivity.
31:16
Yeah.
31:17
He steps into that role, pumps up his tires a little bit and plays more consistent.
31:22
Because last year, you know, one of the things holding him back was that fourth line.
31:26
Bob would often shorten the bench to three lines and not play the fourth as much.
31:31
He's got to find some balance and with all the injuries early, kind of impacts what they can do.
31:36
I think this weekend we're going to see Rhett Pitlick with Jackson Nelson and Bryce Brudzinski.
31:41
That could be a fun line to watch this weekend.
31:43
I thought Pitlick had an outstanding series against St.
31:46
Thomas.
31:46
His speed was really good.
31:48
I also think he must be a little bit stronger because there are a couple of times where he made body contact as he was trying to separate.
31:55
He was actually able to skate through the player.
31:57
Last year, he'd be spinning around when that happened.
32:01
Maybe just a little bit sturdier this week, which should help him against a team like North Dakota, which is going to be physical.
32:09
Brad, I would recommend that Red Pitlick not throw his skateboard.
32:13
I would guess that it'll come back like it did last year.
32:17
I know it's going to get through it right.
32:21
So what do you think of this weekend?
32:22
What would you like to see?
32:24
Well, I'm curious how North Dakota sets up this weekend.
32:30
Do they try to match lines?
32:34
Do you go with top lines against each other?
32:39
Do you throw in...
32:40
They have a third line.
32:44
I think they're starting to call them the J's because they all have last names that start with J.
32:48
Johannes, Jamernik, and James.
32:52
They're a pretty good defensive line.
32:54
Like Hunter Johannes skates a little bit better than I thought he would.
32:57
Dylan James is a really good skater.
32:59
They can place a little bit of physical game.
33:03
Do they put those guys on the snubbery line?
33:07
Do they just try to match D?
33:09
That's something sometimes coaches do.
33:10
They don't really worry about the forwards, but they want certain D out there.
33:16
I'll be curious to see how that matchup plays out this weekend.
33:21
I think that D matchup is going to be interesting because I don't know what Minnesota is going to do for their defensive combinations this weekend.
33:31
Missing Chesley probably.
33:33
If he's back, I'll be a little surprised.
33:36
Never know.
33:36
It could happen.
33:37
But between Blake and Perron, those are two very dangerous players that you want to have defensemen who can see the ice and know who to pick up and match up.
33:48
That worries me for the Gophers this weekend because I think they might be a little shorthanded taking care of those two.
33:56
I'm concerned about Runzel.
33:57
He's been pushing a lot.
33:59
You get caught here.
34:00
It's a two-on-one the other way, real quick.
34:03
Well, I think there's definitely going to be times when the Gophers are going to be in their own zone.
34:07
We haven't seen that a lot the last two years.
34:10
They haven't had to defend for long periods of time.
34:12
I think they're going to have to weather the storm out here because North Dakota's got pretty good forwards right now.
34:18
With Blake and Perrone, they've got two lines that can really dish and cycle and possess the puck.
34:24
And I've always liked Hunter Johannes as a player.
34:26
He's big and physical.
34:27
He had a nice weekend against the Gophers when he played for Lindenwood.
34:31
He grew up a fan of this rivalry.
34:33
I'm sure this weekend means a ton for him, especially since he's wearing green.
34:38
Yeah, he's been a good pick up so far.
34:41
He's scored three goals last weekend.
34:46
And he's been good in big games.
34:48
When he was at Lindenwood last year, he scored in Mariucci against Minnesota, in the Ralph against UND, in Yost against Michigan, and at Magnus against Denver.
34:58
Wow.
34:59
So that's college hockey's four big rinks out there.
35:02
Yeah.
35:02
So he's come up big.
35:05
And he scored against Wisconsin and against Army last weekend.
35:10
So he's been a good pick up for North Dakota.
35:14
I think he's got a score at BC.
35:16
Yeah.
35:17
Well, they did play BU this year.
35:19
So that's his chance to score there.
35:21
That's quite the resume when you put it all together there.
35:24
Yeah.
35:24
And that's only like one year of work because he was at American International for three years before that.
35:28
And he didn't play that much there.
35:32
So didn't your whole D turn over this year?
35:34
Yeah, not zero or back.
35:36
So that's that's that's we've talked about that.
35:40
You know, how long can you sustain using the portal?
35:45
We've talked about that a lot.
35:46
I mean, yes, it could solve you for a year, but what's in the pipeline?
35:51
I mean, are you concerned about that?
35:53
Or is that some issues that the coaching is concerned about?
35:55
Well, I know, I mean, I can see what's coming now for the next few years.
36:00
They went and got some fifth year seniors this year.
36:04
And I think that was intentional because they're clearing space for, you know, EJ.
36:09
Emery is coming next year.
36:11
He's a potential first round pick.
36:15
They've got Andrew Strathman.
36:18
He was a kid who he could have come this year, but I think they looked at them and said, there's some defensive things to iron out.
36:27
Don't want to bring you in and struggle and be out of the lineup.
36:32
Go back one more year.
36:33
Play more too.
36:35
Yeah.
36:35
And, you know, he was, he played a decent amount for Youngstown.
36:38
Play more here.
36:39
Yes.
36:40
He was very good on Youngstown last year, but there's still things to iron out.
36:44
So they said, you know what?
36:45
You go back.
36:45
We'll find a fifth year to, you know, to help, help you develop a little bit more.
36:50
So he'll be coming in.
36:51
Jaden Jubinville is another guy.
36:53
So their next year, do they get one defenseman out of the portal?
37:00
Maybe because otherwise you have a lot of freshmen and sophomore.
37:03
You might want one older guy to mix in, but they're going to be a lot lighter.
37:09
I think it was a situation where they lost eight guys and it was, okay, well, you either bring in eight freshmen, which is not going to be a good idea, or you can go grab Garrett Pike from Alaska, Keaton Pearson from Michigan.
37:24
How many are now fifth-year players?
37:26
They have three fifth-years, so they'll lose.
37:28
That's not too bad.
37:29
They'll lose three defensemen this year.
37:31
They have three who are coming in next year.
37:36
You always have to wonder, does anyone go in the portal?
37:39
You just don't know in this day.
37:40
They lost some guys last year who went in the portal that maybe they wouldn't have pegged.
37:45
Brent Johnson, maybe, he's a third-round draft pick that just wasn't playing.
37:49
You could probably guess that one.
37:52
Luke Bass who went to Duluth, I wouldn't have guessed that one.
37:55
That wasn't on my radar.
37:57
Sometimes you just don't know when someone's going to leave and when you have to replace them.
38:02
But they've all eight are new, four transfers, four freshmen.
38:10
The transfers are three fifth-year seniors and then a redshirt sophomore, Bennett Smolik, who did not play at all last year for Mankato because of a hip injury.
38:19
So he's still coming back in right now.
38:21
Did I see him on the power play a little bit this last weekend at all, Smolik?
38:27
If you did, it was at the end of a power play.
38:30
But no, Garrett Pike from Alaska is running their first unit, and Jake Livanovich, the freshman, is running their second unit.
38:37
So they have some young guys playing big roles, but Livanovich spent three years at Chicago, won the Clark Cup and that is Doug Smolik's kid, isn't it?
38:48
It is.
38:49
That's what I thought.
38:50
It is.
38:51
So he's got a big weekend.
38:53
He's playing his dad's team this weekend, and then next weekend he's playing his old team and his brother's old team.
39:01
So he's taking the tour right now.
39:03
How's the power play been looking so far for North Dakota?
39:06
Because I imagine in Minnesota, North Dakota series, we're going to see some penalties.
39:12
But I don't think it's early.
39:13
So a lot of things haven't come together yet.
39:15
It hasn't quite come together.
39:17
Last year, it's right away.
39:20
They were firing on all cylinders, and that's what happened in Mariucci.
39:24
The Gophers took penalties, and they were just reeling off power play goals.
39:28
Because that power play, I mean, they were number one in the country for stretches of time.
39:34
It hasn't quite got going yet.
39:37
They scored maybe two against Army with some opportunities.
39:42
It's not quite there yet.
39:44
So we'll see.
39:45
They have some pieces back.
39:47
Gabor, Blake, both on that first unit.
39:49
They've got Perron on the second unit right now.
39:53
So we'll see.
39:54
But it's not quite like last year when they went into Mariucci.
39:58
The week before, they played Quinnipiac here.
40:00
They were down by three goals in the third.
40:02
Quinnipiac took a couple of penalties and all of a sudden, goal, goal, goal, goal.
40:06
It was like Saturday night at Mariucci where if you took a penalty, it was trouble.
40:11
Because last year, it seemed like as soon as Jackson Blake got the puck on a stick, goals were coming on the power play.
40:17
It was just like when the puck gets to Jimmy Sutford's stick for Minnesota, it seems right now goals are coming.
40:22
So those are two things to watch for, I think.
40:24
Yeah, North Dakota definitely will not want SnugRood to shoot the puck.
40:28
That's going to be a huge emphasis, I would imagine, on the penalty kill, trying to get the puck away from him shooting.
40:37
Blake is a kind of a, he's a much of a pass threat as a shooter.
40:41
He doesn't shoot quite like SnugRood.
40:43
He's got a good shot, but he's really a playmaker too.
40:45
He's got a good vision.
40:46
He does.
40:47
So when the puck gets to him, all of a sudden he draws players and knows where to go with it, or he gets it and guys are trying to take away lanes, and he books off and shoots.
40:55
Exactly.
40:56
It's dangerous when you can do those two things.
40:58
Correct.
40:58
I think one thing SnugRood is doing is he's starting to play with his depth.
41:02
Does he play close to the blue line, or does he play close to the bottom of the circle?
41:06
He starts drifting around, and sometimes he'll make contact with the penalty killer.
41:10
The penalty killer thinks he's right there, and then all of a sudden he's not.
41:13
Backs off a little bit, makes some space.
41:16
He's starting to get some savviness about how to get away from guys who are trying to take away that shot all the time.
41:21
Before we get into predictions, Brad, I wanted to get your thoughts on the state of St.
41:27
Cloud Hockey.
41:28
The school enrollment going way down.
41:35
We've talked about this a little bit.
41:36
I just wanted to get your thoughts.
41:38
It seems like it's not looking so bright in St.
41:42
Cloud just for having sports.
41:46
It's got to be about budgetary things have to be a concern.
41:51
I think there are a lot of schools facing enrollment issues right now across the country and they're certainly one of them.
42:01
That is I think something probably to watch in the future.
42:07
I have 10 years, it could be no St.
42:09
Cloud program.
42:10
I mean, I haven't gone that far to look into that.
42:15
I mean, I know that they'll do whatever it takes to keep that program going.
42:25
But there's no question that they're facing budgetary challenges from an institutional level.
42:33
And that's the bottom line, Veegs.
42:35
I mean, if you don't have kids come to the school, how much money coming into the school?
42:40
Just academically.
42:41
Yeah.
42:42
I think academically it could be a challenge.
42:43
But I think the hockey program there is such a part of that school that as long as that school is there, they will do what it takes.
42:50
I hope so because it would really hurt this area.
42:53
But there's obviously things that could be out of their control.
42:57
There are some things that are, right?
42:59
Like, if at some point budget cuts may come, you know, like, you know, North Dakota State has dealt with some of that with declining enrollment.
43:12
But, you know, I guess they do have a really good head coach that can probably navigate some of those budgetary challenges better than others.
43:23
And he's had a long history of success.
43:25
But that definitely has to be something to follow.
43:30
And it's probably not only St.
43:31
Cloud, like in, you know, on campus enrollment is an issue that's facing a lot of colleges nationwide.
43:39
They're all, you know, trying to figure out how to keep kids on campus and stuff, especially post pandemic.
43:48
I talked to a friend of mine who's a professor somewhere out on the West Coast.
43:56
Today, and she was telling me that the students have almost become clients.
44:01
You're recruiting them and looking at them is more clients than anything right now.
44:05
And so that's from someone who's at a school not even close to around here that doesn't have doesn't have hockey.
44:12
So this is a there's a lot of schools.
44:16
Definitely something to keep an eye on the next couple of years.
44:18
I was talking to some people from the University of Minnesota last weekend, and they were just so impressed with how the students are showing up for games at 3M at Mary G and how much the St.
44:28
Thomas fans showed up at Excel for that night before.
44:32
He said one thing he's noticed with this generation of student is they crave shared experiences.
44:39
So I think for schools being able to create things like this, things like Mary G, whatever you can do to create a shared experience, it makes going to college memorable and something they want to be a part of.
44:51
So I don't know what St.
44:53
Claude is going to do, but I know those hockey games are fun to be at.
44:56
Yeah.
44:57
Yeah.
44:57
You might have a hairy buffalo before you go.
45:01
But that's where you want to be.
45:03
So trying to find more ways to create shared experiences.
45:06
All right, guys, let's get into some predictions.
45:08
I have a feeling we're going to say a lot of splits here, but be bold.
45:16
Split.
45:18
I think that's what I said the last two times and I was right.
45:21
Like as much as I would like to throw something outlandish out there, it just seems like the logical outcome.
45:28
You get up, we get you.
45:30
We have a really small sample size of these teams, I feel right now, especially with the new personnel.
45:36
So if there is a sweep, will it surprise me?
45:39
No.
45:41
Because I just have seen North Dakota play one weekend and I barely caught any of the Minnesota games.
45:48
So there's a lot of new pieces in there.
45:51
Nothing really surprises me in sports these days, but I'm trying to be this smart and steady and go split.
46:03
So I think it's going to be a split.
46:05
But I think a more interesting question right now would be, who is more likely to sweep?
46:10
Because I think going to this weekend, if I had to put the odds about which team I think has a better chance of getting two wins, I give it to North Dakota at this point.
46:19
Minnesota's battling injuries on their blue line.
46:21
I think we saw them under pressure a lot against St.
46:24
Thomas, and they figured it out by second.
46:27
I think they got bailed out with some good goal-tending and some timely goals from Jimmy Stuggerud, but I think if they don't get those things, they might be in trouble.
46:35
I think North Dakota is the team that's more likely to sweep, even though I think they'll get a split.
46:41
Also, can we point out that St.
46:43
Thomas looks pretty good too?
46:44
I think some people saw the score and they're like, what happened?
46:47
I'm like, well, I watched the weekend before when they played St.
46:50
Cloud.
46:52
They were good.
46:53
That was a split, and then it was the second game, and they lost by a goal.
46:57
And they outshot them in the second game.
46:59
I watched the Sunday game, and I was like, the St.
47:01
Thomas team is good.
47:05
So I think it's fair to put out there that, in Augustana goes and sweeps Bowling Green last weekend, teams can get good fast with the portal.
47:15
So let's put out there that these teams look good.
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Our guy, Mote, negative one for you, Vegas.
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I think one of the things that's interesting about that is Rico waited a little bit on who to take in the portal.
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He didn't just grab anybody right away.
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He picked some guys.
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I thought the Tommies were hard to play against.
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I think that's one of the reasons that Chesley might be dinged up is because he was challenged physically all weekend.
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I think that's something that he was looking for in the portal.
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He was looking not just for skilled guys, he was looking guys who could play heavy and difficult.
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Split.
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I'll say split as well because that's just how it is.
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I'm not very bold.
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Sorry, fans.
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I'm not going to say go for sweep.
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A lot of upsets in college hockey.
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I think this October time of year, all the turnover.
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Pulltab 10 didn't do good last week.
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Yeah.
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When I was doing my preseason rankings this year, the thing that jumped out to me was like last year I did it.
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I looked at Quinnipiac in Minnesota.
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That's who I had top two.
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I had Quinnipiac one, Minnesota two.
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I was like, there's just not many questions.
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They both have their goalies back.
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They both have veteran D.
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They both have high end forwards.
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They both have impact freshmen.
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I have no questions.
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I know what they are.
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This year, every single team I went through, I had a question about.
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Some of them will figure it out.
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But there wasn't one team in the country where I said, I don't have a single question.
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Denver is young on D and has a new crone has gone.
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They have a new goalie.
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Minnesota had the D turnover.
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Quinnipiac lost their goalie and a couple high end D there.
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North Dakota has all their D turning over.
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BU and BC are talented, but they're so young.
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Michigan lost their best forward D and goalie.
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We don't know what they have in net.
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I'm not surprised we're seeing results all over the place.
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I think we're going to see that honestly all year.
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It just makes it more fun, Vig.
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It just makes it way more fun.
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That's part of our college hockey is that turnover.
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But not for fans who are used to seeing their team win 80 percent of their games.
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Those fans are not going to have a fun year.
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Bring back the WCHA, blah, blah, blah.
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We've been hearing that too long.
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Well, I think part of the transfer portal era means that teams have a hard time holding on to their depth.
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I heard Bob talking about that a little bit this week, how he hasn't gone to the portal, but someday he might.
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I heard Derek Schooley talking about it the other day where he's like, with NIL and ice time, players are going to leave, so depth is an issue.
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And conversely, teams that have holes can fill them with veteran guys.
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Like let's say 10 years ago, you lose 8 defensemen, you're going to be in for a challenging year.
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Now you can go get 3 23-year-old guys who are been around, and all of a sudden you're right back.
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So like, it works two ways, like some teams can fill holes, some teams, I don't know, I just, it's, I think it's going to be a really interesting year.
50:32
It would have been really interesting if Logan Cooley had made his decision right after the Frozen 4, they was going to turn pro.
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Would Bob have gone in the portal and grabbed somebody?
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Yes, I think.
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Probably, you know, because it happened so late, he brought in Nick Michael from St.
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John's, so he's not upsetting the Apple card.
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Or was that Jimmy Clark?
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Well, I think Jimmy Clark was the first one to come in, and that's, you know.
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Yeah, because we knew they were going to be kind of short anyway.
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Yeah, I think Bob likes a short bench if everybody can play.
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Yeah, but if they can't, injuries like they do have now on the defense, it's problematic, so.
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Well, thanks for coming out for us.
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Great to see you guys.
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Glad to be here.
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We're glad to be here, and hopefully we'll be back in three years, two years, whatever it is.
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Yeah, the next two years.
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Yeah, one year off, and then...
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I'll be back.
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I'll be back.
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The guy or you two, they always like to be first.
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Maybe not.
51:27
We'll see.
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We'll see.
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You heard it, Eric, Schlossman is out.
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Going to be back at the Ralph here.
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It's possible, possible.
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Subscribe to the Grand Forks Herald, and then you'll be first in the house.
51:42
Yeah.
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Well, it's fun to have you on the show.
51:45
We'll be back, of course, next week when one of our favorite other guys, Mr.
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Maleski, is back in college hockey.
51:54
He was out last year.
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We missed him on the podcast.
51:57
We did have him on for frozen four.
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He's back in hockey full-time, and I swear it's like you two have so much information.
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Yeah.
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All college hockey.
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I get it from Todd and pass it along to everyone else.
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He's the encyclopedia.
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So we'll definitely have Todd on it.
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It'll be fun as usual.
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Of course, we want to thank Brad for being on the show.
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We'll thank Eric Martinson and Alec Johnson for allowing us to come here.
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Sorry for the initial mute.
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I'm not sure what happened there.
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Rookie error, I guess.
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But it was a fun show.
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No overtime this week.
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Well, we're going to have overtime.
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We're going to leave you guys behind.
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We're going to have overtime.
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So but other than that, we'll catch you next week on The GPL Podcast.
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