With the Darby news feels like we're on to the next season.
With the Darby news feels like we're on to the next season.
the Wild just keep making moves to keeping me not interested in following the team
Aloha!
Darby needs a change of scenery as much as the Wild do. I hope he’s able to find something different within the league.
Firing Darby doesn't mean much to me. NHL coaches are lucky if they last even 5 years in one spot. What does matter to me, is who Guerin hires to replace him. Hopefully it isn't another one of his buddies who isn't qualified for the job.
Bumping back above the 23-24 thread with the draft happening. On to the next season!
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Judging by the comments on the Athletic, people are less than thrilled.
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
Judging by the comments on the Athletic, people are less than thrilled.
that's a tough number at 3.5AAV. I don't really get why they're adding another guy for the bottom 6 that is really only known for hitting a lot with what we have on the roster
Evidently they see Ogren, Yurov & the Russian C who broke into lineup late last year among other recent draftees to contribute on the scoresheet relatively soon (Yurov not until 25-26).Judging by the comments on the Athletic, people are less than thrilled.
Thats a tough number at 3.5AAV. I don't really get why they're adding another guy for the bottom 6 that is really only known for hitting a lot with what we have on the roster
@bearpaw28 Might also have a little something to do with a GM getting nervous about resigning Kaprizov next year before he enters his final year of contract.
Trenin is a great 4th liner that brings a lot of skills that the Wild are lacking. Don't have any idea how you justify that contract though?
Having the best 4th line in the league will be cool I guess. Hell, they might have the 2 best 4th lines in the league now
@bearpaw28 Might also have a little something to do with a GM getting nervous about resigning Kaprizov next year before he enters his final year of contract.
this part worries me a little. is Kaprizov going to look at the roster around him and going to want to resign?
To finish our other convo, again totally get where you're coming from re Buium. I think that value is added primarily 5v5. think he would start on pp2 but could see him taking Faber's spot by end of the year. Again no rush to get him to the league, but do think he would add a dimension to the blue line we could use and would translate to points. would it be enough to put this team over the hump and make a difference in a long post-season run? that's doubtful and so I can also see your approach.
@bearpaw28 Might also have a little something to do with a GM getting nervous about resigning Kaprizov next year before he enters his final year of contract.
this part worries me a little. is Kaprizov going to look at the roster around him and going to want to resign?
To finish our other convo, again totally get where you're coming from re Buium. I think that value is added primarily 5v5. think he would start on pp2 but could see him taking Faber's spot by end of the year. Again no rush to get him to the league, but do think he would add a dimension to the blue line we could use and would translate to points. would it be enough to put this team over the hump and make a difference in a long post-season run? that's doubtful and so I can also see your approach.
So his value add is primarily 5v5 but he'll also be good enough to supplant Faber on the PP?
@slap-shot The 2nd part of his post is referring to draft pick, Zeev Buium picking up from the other thread.
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Wow.
I am sure Kaprisov understands the roster will be different after this season when the Suter and Parise anchors are off the books.@bearpaw28 Might also have a little something to do with a GM getting nervous about resigning Kaprizov next year before he enters his final year of contract.
this part worries me a little. is Kaprizov going to look at the roster around him and going to want to resign?
To finish our other convo, again totally get where you're coming from re Buium. I think that value is added primarily 5v5. think he would start on pp2 but could see him taking Faber's spot by end of the year. Again no rush to get him to the league, but do think he would add a dimension to the blue line we could use and would translate to points. would it be enough to put this team over the hump and make a difference in a long post-season run? that's doubtful and so I can also see your approach.
But maybe not if we're signing the recently announced deals.
Has the Billy Guerin honeymoon phase worn off yet? I mean cmon..
@bearpaw28 Might also have a little something to do with a GM getting nervous about resigning Kaprizov next year before he enters his final year of contract.
this part worries me a little. is Kaprizov going to look at the roster around him and going to want to resign?
To finish our other convo, again totally get where you're coming from re Buium. I think that value is added primarily 5v5. think he would start on pp2 but could see him taking Faber's spot by end of the year. Again no rush to get him to the league, but do think he would add a dimension to the blue line we could use and would translate to points. would it be enough to put this team over the hump and make a difference in a long post-season run? that's doubtful and so I can also see your approach.
So his value add is primarily 5v5 but he'll also be good enough to supplant Faber on the PP?
yes? mobile defenseman with offensive skills are huge assets in the NHL, both at 5v5 and on the PP. If you're comparing him to Faber in this regard, the potential value add is small (ie what he would/could do on the PP that Faber does not already do), but at 5v5 compared to Middleton, Bogo, etc., the add is greater. I could see him moving on PP1 ahead of Faber (would also reduce the very heavy minutes Faber will play season by season), but that's not quite as likely to me. Still PP2 minutes would be good and place he could make an impact as well.
@slap-shot The 2nd part of his post is referring to draft pick, Zeev Buium picking up from the other thread.
Am aware.
Russo was on with Barreiro yesterday. Pretty apparent that Russo thinks Billy has botched this roster. He didn’t like the moves today.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dan-barreiro/id1601499773?i=1000660848546
Not a great sign when the mouthpiece turns on you
Jon Marchessault gets 5 years @ 5.5 mil from Smashville (a proven scorer, Stanley Cup Champ & Conn Symthe winner) and Wild sign Yakov Trettin to 4 years @ $3.5 mil for a bottom 6 forward who played for Hynes & grinds, but doesn’t score? And Yakov is likely a 4th liner too. WTF?
I mean everyone has an understanding that it will be nice when the buyouts are off the books (the big portion) but you still have to have a quality team and one that a top 10-15 player in the league wants to be a part of.
If the Wild have a season like last you can bet that Kaprizov is going to be very enticed by being one year away from free rein free agency. No amount of cap space is going to change that.
And if they don’t get KK extended (he will command top of league 💵) they may as well fold the franchise, that’s how desperate they’ll need to be in selling him on Wild future.I mean everyone has an understanding that it will be nice when the buyouts are off the books (the big portion) but you still have to have a quality team and one that a top 10-15 player in the league wants to be a part of.
If the Wild have a season like last you can bet that Kaprizov is going to be very enticed by being one year away from free rein free agency. No amount of cap space is going to change that.
@bearpaw28 They also have Gustav Nyquist entering year 2 of a very modest 3.185 million deal. Just came off of a huge comeback 75 point season.
Obviously no way to predict he would play to that level last season but even to get his norm 50 points or so is well worth 2 years, 3.185 million. But instead Guerin opted to reup a lot of career plugs last year.
Certain things just make you scratch your head?
If the cap continues to climb now that the Covid-19 debt is paid back it should lower the impact of those 3-4 million dollar contracts over the term. The term is definitely the head scratcher for Yakov.. If that was a one year fill in until next year deal I would understand it more. I think Elliotte Friedman was estimating potentially 100 million in 2025-2026 with the new tv deals they signed last year, which should help.
Love the Buium draft pick.
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@youngeagle Not disagreeing with anything you said but that is across the board and accessible to all NHL teams. So bad or questionable contracts still don't help regardless of the cap, you are still competing to build the best roster so chewed up $ & term doesn't help regardless of cap space. Foligno, Guardreau, Trenin, Hartman are still a combination of bad $ &/or term. And it adds up. How Guadreau got that term is baffling, where did they think that guy was going?
The problem to this outsider (I don't pay super close attention) is that it seems like this off-season Guerin continues to give multi-year contracts to 'stiffs' at healthy sums that no other teams would do with such frequency. This team has no chance for a playoff run next year and every move should be for the purpose of long-term gains.
With all due respect to Elliotte…I’ll be SHOCKED if the CAP rises from $88mil in 24-25 to $100mil in 25-26!😉If the cap continues to climb now that the Covid-19 debt is paid back it should lower the impact of those 3-4 million dollar contracts over the term. The term is definitely the head scratcher for Yakov.. If that was a one year fill in until next year deal I would understand it more. I think Elliotte Friedman was estimating potentially 100 million in 2025-2026 with the new tv deals they signed last year, which should help.
Love the Buium draft pick.
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With all due respect to Elliotte…I’ll be SHOCKED if the CAP rises from $88mil in 24-25 to $100mil in 25-26!😉If the cap continues to climb now that the Covid-19 debt is paid back it should lower the impact of those 3-4 million dollar contracts over the term. The term is definitely the head scratcher for Yakov.. If that was a one year fill in until next year deal I would understand it more. I think Elliotte Friedman was estimating potentially 100 million in 2025-2026 with the new tv deals they signed last year, which should help.
Love the Buium draft pick.
And he may be wrong but healthy viewership numbers and good markets going deep in the playoffs (NYR/Edmonton) all help that bottom line. The biggest thing holding back cap growth the previous four years was the players owing ownership money from the Covid year. That dept is repaid so the cap should be going up at a higher clip.
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Friedman said that it's going to be close to $93M for 2025-26. Even that sounds optimistic to me.With all due respect to Elliotte…I’ll be SHOCKED if the CAP rises from $88mil in 24-25 to $100mil in 25-26!😉If the cap continues to climb now that the Covid-19 debt is paid back it should lower the impact of those 3-4 million dollar contracts over the term. The term is definitely the head scratcher for Yakov.. If that was a one year fill in until next year deal I would understand it more. I think Elliotte Friedman was estimating potentially 100 million in 2025-2026 with the new tv deals they signed last year, which should help.
Love the Buium draft pick.
And he may be wrong but healthy viewership numbers and good markets going deep in the playoffs (NYR/Edmonton) all help that bottom line. The biggest thing holding back cap growth the previous four years was the players owing ownership money from the Covid year. That dept is repaid so the cap should be going up at a higher clip.
Yakov Trenin makes the Athletic’s list of worst team deals made in free agency:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5609412/2024/07/01/nhl-free-agency-best-worst-contracts/
Nice job Billy.
Yakov Trenin makes the Athletic’s list of worst team deals made in free agency:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5609412/2024/07/01/nhl-free-agency-best-worst-contracts/
shocker. Neither the Aav nor the years make sense unless he absolutely explodes comparatively to what he’s done
That might be the first time I have ever agreed with Dom and his awful player values.
That might be the first time I have ever agreed with Dom and his awful player values.
the value added method is interesting given the lack of Florida state income tax. Makes it easier for those contracts to look better
The income tax discussion is something that the league probably needs to figure out sometime soon.That might be the first time I have ever agreed with Dom and his awful player values.
the value added method is interesting given the lack of Florida state income tax. Makes it easier for those contracts to look better
I was more poking fun at Dom's terrible formula for trying to assess player values. I think it's neat that he tried to come up with something that could do that, but his is really bad. Evolving Wild does a much better job with it.
Not only the tax discussion for states like FL, TX and NV, but do they also adjust for higher taxed sates like CA and NJ?The income tax discussion is something that the league probably needs to figure out sometime soon.That might be the first time I have ever agreed with Dom and his awful player values.
the value added method is interesting given the lack of Florida state income tax. Makes it easier for those contracts to look better
I was more poking fun at Dom's terrible formula for trying to assess player values. I think it's neat that he tried to come up with something that could do that, but his is really bad. Evolving Wild does a much better job with it.
That said, do people in FL really pay lower taxes just because there is no state income tax? The state has to get their money form somewhere. Is it all from tourism, or do they just pay more in property and sales tax?
Many of these deals would bother me less if they weren’t saddled with no-trade clauses. If you could at least unload some of this as things freed up. But, the Wild haven’t fared well in the sports writer/analyst view this past week.
I don't know if the no trade clauses matter much when you sign guys to contracts that nobody would touch anyway.Many of these deals would bother me less if they weren’t saddled with no-trade clauses. If you could at least unload some of this as things freed up. But, the Wild haven’t fared well in the sports writer/analyst view this past week.
The really sad part is that NTC's are supposed to be bargaining chips to keep the price of the contracts down. Either Guerin hasn't figured that part out yet, or he was willing to pay even more than he did. Not sure which is worse?
I will say that I don't have a problem with the Middleton contract
While I have no problem with the Wild extending Middleton…I also consider Jake to be no higher than a 3rd pair D on a SC Contender. Which hopefully comes to pass in 25-26 if Spurgeon & Brodin can stay healthy as the 2nd pair with Brock & Zeev being the 1st pair. With future increases to the salary CAP…while Jake’s AAV appears a bit high for an 3rd pair D….Jake is capable of filling in temporary (from time to time) in the 2nd pair when short- term injuries occur.
Middlelton has been in a top 4 role since he got here, and has done a good job. He spent pretty much all of last year bouncing between being their #2 or #3 dman, and he was better than Brodin for a l lot of the season.
Spurgeon and Brodin can't be a pair because neither is capable of pushing anyone off the puck. Personally, I don't see the Wild doing anything in the playoffs as long as Spurgeon is on the roster. The fact that Guerin made him the captain is just embarrassing.
I maybe get to a couple wild games a year and it didn’t take long to pick up the chatter about spurgeon’s play and how people feel about it. I then started to focus a bit more on him and thought yeah I’m not sure why he’s a captain and making that kinda money either.
After the Faber and Middleton Wild Thing video at Valleyfair they had no choice but to extend Middleton... 🤣
Three years left on Spurgeon contract is not aging well (with his injury issues). Guerin evidently projected him being an exemplary leader in the locker room and leading team functions & parties (at his house) rather than being an alpha leader by example on the ice. Spurgeon will be paired with Middleton in 24-25 & needs to stay healthy, although even if that’s the case, I see the Wild on the outside looking in regarding a playoff berth. Nashville appears significantly upgraded & Vegas won’t be the last team in (again) so things appears dire, as the Wild need to jump the Blues & Kings + finish ahead of every other team that trailed them in the 23-24 standings. Ugh!
I just watched this, very funny. Whoever matched up the rides to the various teams was brilliant. The Octopus ride for the Kraken, the Yellow Duck midway game for the Ducks, Wild Card for Vegas, very clever.After the Faber and Middleton Wild Thing video at Valleyfair they had no choice but to extend Middleton... 🤣
Note: Due to inflation dirty deeds will no longer be done dirt cheap.