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Clete Thomas, Jamey Carroll and Pedro Florimon batting 7-8-9.
Woof.
Twins win 4-3. Nice start by Varland and clutch hitting by the Twins late.
Pagan pitches a shut out 7th inning and picks up the win.
The Twins have now beaten the Yankees three straight times (dating back to last season) all at Yankee Stadium. I am starting to wonder if the Yankees will ever beat the Twins again. ?
Forgot to mention, Varland's 2nd and 3rd pitch were hit over the fence by Volpe and Judge. Rizzo followed up with a single. Certainly was NOT an ideal start for Varland. But he settled down quickly and kinda went into cruise control.
After the first 3 hitters of the game the Yankees mustered 3 hits (another solo HR by Judge) and 1 walk in 6 innings.
So they've put up 10 and lost at Yankmee stadium in that time frame? Wouldn't put it past them. ?
Rocco gets ejected in the top of the 4th.
Yankees pitcher Domingo German was checked thoroughly for foreign substances after the third inning and stopped him again before he took the mound for the fourth, as if to say "Hey you're done", to the point where umpires had taken his glove off of his hand. They apparently then changed their mind and let him pitch with no explanation (or certainly no satisfactory explanation) for Rocco.
BaseballSavant shows the spin rate on 3 of his pitches today are above season average which would imply there was some kind of substance being used. Rocco was mad.
I can't say I've ever seen something like this series of events occur before.
BSN just showed replay of the crew chief demonstrably telling German before he took the mound in the fourth "I TOLD YOU TO WIPE IT OFF" multiple times before being allowed to take the mound again.
Obviously they'll have some explaining to do but this seems pretty ridiculous that he's been allowed to continue.
Meanwhile German has tied his career high in Ks and he's only pitched 4.2 innings.
https://twitter.com/Jared_Carrabis/status/1647311885509722114?s=20
https://twitter.com/JMaschino_56/status/1647313156052512775?s=20
Sure seems like the umpire crew blatantly disregarded the rulebook, which states it is an automatic ejection and potential suspension in favor of "hey it's ok just go wash your hands and we'll pretend nothing happened."
https://twitter.com/toastsams13/status/1647298954672082944?s=20
Absolutely ridiculous.
Rocco's post game response--
https://twitter.com/BallySportsNOR/status/1647331433990565891
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When he came out, anyone who knows anything (the sound was off where I was watching) knows that he was getting tossed. It was a rally cry b/c the Twins were getting eaten alive.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
a pitcher using a rosin bag in the dugout but not really on the mound? Geezus open your eyes mlb. Is the syrup bottle by the pancakes on the bench ok too? What’s the point of having to follow rules or in this case umpire instructions if they’re isn’t consequences if you don’t? I totally see Rocco’s side. As if I needed anymore reasons to dislike the Yankees anyway add this to it now.
I never heard that he used rosin in the dugout. He was initially caught coming off the mound.
I never heard that he used rosin in the dugout. He was initially caught coming off the mound.
I saw it mentioned in one of the tweets.
Tweeted by whom? There are a lot of people talking about this without really knowing the chain of events. Regardless, rosin is allowed and is not considered a foreign substance. The umpires decided that they couldn’t eject him for using an allowed substance. That may be right or wrong, but it was not an unreasonable decision. Baseball needs to clarify how much rosin can be used (how much is also hard to measure.)I never heard that he used rosin in the dugout. He was initially caught coming off the mound.
I saw it mentioned in one of the tweets.
@composer German said he doesn’t use it on the mound much but does in the dugout.
The 30-year-old said he regularly taps a rosin bag on his way out of the dugout before he heads to the mound, which explained the rosin on his hand.
The rosin can become sticky if it’s used with sunscreen or who knows, a hand lotion, sanitizer? It just seems fishy that he does the rosin on his way out imo.
It doesn't matter what the pitcher claims to have on his hands. Either his hand is good to go, or it isn't. My guess is that Hoye felt something that wasn't right, but didn't feel it was enough to run German so he told him to knock it off. The problem is that German didn't stop and Hoye did nothing about it.Tweeted by whom? There are a lot of people talking about this without really knowing the chain of events. Regardless, rosin is allowed and is not considered a foreign substance. The umpires decided that they couldn’t eject him for using an allowed substance. That may be right or wrong, but it was not an unreasonable decision. Baseball needs to clarify how much rosin can be used (how much is also hard to measure.)I never heard that he used rosin in the dugout. He was initially caught coming off the mound.
I saw it mentioned in one of the tweets.
The issue isn't the rosin (though i have no idea why pitchers are allowed to have rosin in the dugout where it seems infinitely easier to tamper with the rosin or mix it with sunscreen to get that extra tack).
The issue is he was warned after the 3rd inning, ignored the warning before the 4th inning and was allowed to continue. That is what Rocco, and most everyone else, took exception to. In what world does a player get to ignore direct instructions from an umpire with no repercussions?
https://twitter.com/dohyoungpark/status/1647341939413463041?s=20
The thing that gets me is the umpires "didn't eject him because they didn't think it was impacting his pitches" as he was setting career highs in Ks and perfect through 4.
I guess a 2-2 split with NYY in NY isn’t terrible.
@jwg the hit parade in Thursday’s first inning was something I’ll remember for a while.
Hey, a Max Kepler sighting, his homer makes it 2-1 Twins.
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Solano comes off the base on a catcher's interference play and doesn't record an out, so Boston takes the result of the play (runners on first and third with one out) and tie the game on a routine grounder. Ouch.
Wow is Moran bad. He will be very lucky to survive this inning.
That was quite the double play.
Moran didn’t have a good outing.
Twins score 2 in top 10 but Boston scores 3 against Moran in bottom 10.
Swooning already?
Twins score 2 in top 10 but Boston scores 3 against Moran in bottom 10.
Only because they needed 3 to win. That hit would have scored a 4th and who knows what additional batters would have done. That was awful.
I can never see the name Moran without thinking this:
Irrelevant post of the night. ?
Twins have their hitting shoes on today, up 10-2 top 6.
It’s Fenway so I give them a 53% chance to win.
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Gallo narrowly missed his 2nd HR of the game. Hit it about 378 feet to dead right field (after barely missing the foul pole a couple pitches earlier). But because Fenway is Fenway, Verdugo catches it in front of the fence.
10-3 bottom 9
Sox with bases loaded and no one out.
It's time
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Never a doubt
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10-4 final
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Of course the Twins will win tonight. They’re playing the meaningless game of the night. The games that matter are out of hand.
Wolves down 16 in the first half.
Wild down 3 at the halfway mark.
Ouch. Now a 7 inning bullpen game.
https://twitter.com/BallySportsNOR/status/1649112780492898307
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The 1st reliever out of the pen is Pagan.... Gave up 6 runs in his inning.. 7-0 Sox after 3
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10-1 after 5
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Now 10-1 in the 5th
Aloha!
11-4 final
Aloha!
Make,that 11-5
Aloha!
I’m really not sure what the organization sees in pagan. I was really hoping after last year they would’ve just went a different direction with him. Last year in June his era over 11.? Cleveland seemed to just own the guy and they just can’t do any better than this? Not really sure if someone can help me understand why they sent varland to AAA after he had a good outing in new York after his first 2 batters. I’m kinda shaking my head over that move and pagen is still around.
I’m really not sure what the organization sees in pagan. I was really hoping after last year they would’ve just went a different direction with him. Last year in June his era over 11.? Cleveland seemed to just own the guy and they just can’t do any better than this? Not really sure if someone can help me understand why they sent varland to AAA after he had a good outing in new York after his first 2 batters. I’m kinda shaking my head over that move and pagen is still around.
They aren't sticking Varland in the bullpen in the majors. He's a SP. And he's young. He, like Ober and SWR, will be SPs when the get called up for injury replacements or spot starts. They need him to be able to throw a SP workload when that situation arises. He wouldn't be stretched out to pitch 6+ IP if they used him as a RP in the big leagues. Comparing roster spots between Varland and Pagan makes about as much sense as comparing roster spots between Willi Castro and Varland.
Pagan last season outside of games against Cleveland was largely pretty good.
Going into today's game he'd allowed 1 run on 4 hits in 6.1 IP. He obviously got lit up today but had mostly been solid previously and is capable of eating a couple innings at a time, which saves work for the back end guys like Duran, Jax, Lopez, and Thielbar. That's why he's on the team (that and he's relatively cheap).
Everything got magnified last year with pagan’s struggles with Cleveland since they were in the chase with us until the wheels came off the last month or so. It felt worse than it probably really was I think as a team they blew like 6 games in the ninth against them within a couple weeks.
With varland I was just thinking they were gonna keep him up with the club and use him in maybe the Boof Bonser role which was a huge help for short starts in the rotation back then. He could eat those 4-5 innings which is more typical starter work for the twins staff anyway. But your point makes sense.
Everything got magnified last year with pagan’s struggles with Cleveland since they were in the chase with us until the wheels came off the last month or so. It felt worse than it probably really was I think as a team they blew like 6 games in the ninth against them within a couple weeks.
With varland I was just thinking they were gonna keep him up with the club and use him in maybe the Boof Bonser role which was a huge help for short starts in the rotation back then. He could eat those 4-5 innings which is more typical starter work for the twins staff anyway. But your point makes sense.
Before Maeda left with the ankle injury today the Twins starting rotation was averaging the most innings/start in all of baseball. I assume it took a hit today.
This meme that Rocco takes them out after 4-5 innings is tired. He took terrible pitchers (or pitchers coming out with injury) out early because they were terrible (or not healthy) and getting 5 good innings from them was a small miracle. Getting them out before they got shelled was smart.
Yeah the season is a month old, post season pitching and the twins have nothing in common. I hope to eat these words in October but I doubt it. There were many occasions where starters were in cruise control but oh no that’s 100 pitches so you’re done. Bullpen throws gas on the fire and lose the game. Their inability to hold a lead was the downfall on that team that was in first at the deadline. When something changes and not just for one month I’ll eat my words and praise the organization.
I realize a single stat can be misleading, but the Twins are 4th in MLB for team ERA and are currently at 3.15 vs. 3.98 for last season.
Beyond that I've not been paying attention and there's probably more to the story.