Nick “possible Twins MVP” Gordon!
https://twitter.com/ballysportsnor/status/1564791021585801219?s=21&t=9h89hXyCSU64zjIp6S5HJg
Not taking anything away from Gordon's big moment, but Bremer after the bomb said "What a great piece of hitting!" It was either Perkins or Morneau in the background letting off a "pffft."
Well, the pitcher had his hitter in a 2-strike hole, and Gordon put two pretty bad swings on those first two pitches. So then what happens? The guy comes in with the exact same pitch, only this time it's a middle-inside strike. Same velocity. Same movement. Can't do that with a major league hitter. He basically had Gordon on a spike and let him off by throwing a terrible 0-2 pitch.
But credit Gordon for knowing what to do with it. 
The Twins September call ups. They are official now.
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Why does this lineup suck so much on the road?
I hope the Twins ruin out number 27.
My wish, came true. Arraez with a single on pitch 99.
Although a moot point in a 13-0 game.
Funny my dad and I had no idea there was a no-no going on but switched to the game from OSU-ND just as the bottom of the 9th was starting.
Sure inspiring a lot of confidence aren't they.
The Twins finally win a game in Chicago 5-1
Aloha!
They are getting hammered right now by the Yankees
Aloha!
Holy crap does Carlos Correa have an arm. Amazing play.
https://twitter.com/talkinbaseball_/status/1567632889617043457?s=46&t=YNzj1Q4IMIBxQoukSAFMlA
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Have the rules changed so that you can’t bunt the runner on second base over to third??
I guess nobody in baseball knows how to bunt anymore!!
This loss is on Baldelli! Great strategy in extra innings Rocco!
Twins BLOW IT again to the Yankees in 12 innings after leading 4-3 in the 12th with the bases loaded & 1 out, failed to get another run across the plate, then lose 5-4. lol…so typical…the Twins way! ?
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Have the rules changed so that you can’t bunt the runner on second base over to third??
I guess nobody in baseball knows how to bunt anymore!!
They somehow don't, or analytics tell them not to, due to the MASSIVE shifts opponents have been doing. It's trrrrrrble (c) Barkley
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I thought the Yankees were sucking lately. Nothing like the Twins to help turn things around. Sigh.
Anyone else unable to log into the Bally’s app tonight?
Is Duran so used up from this series that they can’t bring him in for the 9th in a one run game?
I swear the pitching decisions have cost the team 10 games this year
Oi! Thought they were going to p**s that one away...
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Twins WIN over Yankees! ? Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn on rare occasions ?
Logging out and back in four times did the trick. Eked out a win despite trying to blow it in the ninth! Suck it Yankees.
Is Duran so used up from this series that they can’t bring him in for the 9th in a one run game?
I swear the pitching decisions have cost the team 10 games this year
He pitched 2 innings in the extra inning game on Wednesday. So yeah he's not going to go back the next day. That's fairly standard. Had they only used him for one inning Wednesday I'm sure he would have been used last night.
Nice job by the bullpen last night. Lopez got screwed on what should have been strike 3 against Gleyber Torres but was called ball 4 (an absolutely perfect pitch) and gave the Yankees a little extra life in the 8th, then Lopez, Thielbar, and Fulmer wiggled out of a jam in the 9th to seal the win.
Big stretch of games coming up for the Twins. 8 of their next 11 against division-leading Cleveland.
I'm certainly ready for the Gary Sanchez experiment to end.
exciting ninth. Would have been great for Kepler to get a hr but it was not his night. 🙁
Sounds like the Twins pull Joe Ryan after 7 no hit innings because….pitch count.
I would demand a trade.
Sounds like the Twins pull Joe Ryan after 7 no hit innings because….pitch count.
I would demand a trade.
He has not looked happy since then. But yeah, disappointing move.
Nevermind...
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The price for free agent pitchers just went up for the Twins. Not exactly what they needed.
Sounds like the Twins pull Joe Ryan after 7 no hit innings because….pitch count.
I would demand a trade.
I'd fire the manager.
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I love Rocco, but this isn't working.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Sounds like the Twins pull Joe Ryan after 7 no hit innings because….pitch count.
I would demand a trade.
I'd fire the manager.
I’m going assume this is a joke. ? Rocco is doing what the fraternal twins hired him for, run the club new school. You can blame one thing for the Twins failures, it’s ownership. Rocco is a good manager. I’d have left him in, if it was my call, but I understand working for someone in a field that’s hard to get a job in.
I’m going assume this is a joke. ? Rocco is doing what the fraternal twins hired him for, run the club new school. You can blame one thing for the Twins failures, it’s ownership. Rocco is a good manager. I’d have left him in, if it was my call, but I understand working for someone in a field that’s hard to get a job in.
Not a joke.
Keep pulling this crap and the fans will stop showing up even more. The bottom line is that you cannot do anything in baseball without fans. They pay the bills... You also will also not be able to keep players when you treat them like this and you certainly cannot attract players to come and play for this team by doing this as well.
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Every MLB manager except Tony LaRussa would have pulled Joe Ryan after 7 innings.
Every MLB manager except Tony LaRussa would have pulled Joe Ryan after 7 innings.
And that's why modern analytics-based baseball is joyless to watch and losing fans.
Bingo!
This sport dies more and more each year... all of their own doing.
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Seeing that the youth of America have turned their backs on baseball more and more each year... This is clearly not a stone age "take" or issue.
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Sounds like the Twins pull Joe Ryan after 7 no hit innings because….pitch count.
I would demand a trade.
I'd fire the manager.
I’m going assume this is a joke. ? Rocco is doing what the fraternal twins hired him for, run the club new school. You can blame one thing for the Twins failures, it’s ownership. Rocco is a good manager. I’d have left him in, if it was my call, but I understand working for someone in a field that’s hard to get a job in.
You can run the club new school using analytics while still understanding this was a big moment for Joe and let him have his moment. Maybe even tell the kid, "hey analytics say I should pull you now so you don't risk blowing your arm out, but I realize this is a chance for a no hitter so I am going to let you make the call." It is possible he did this last night, but I doubt it.
I am also curious what analytics say to do when your starting pitcher goes through the opponent's line up for the 3rd time, but your fresh relief pitchers are worse than the starters on their 3rd trip through the line up.
Sounds like the Twins pull Joe Ryan after 7 no hit innings because….pitch count.
I would demand a trade.
I'd fire the manager.
I’m going assume this is a joke. ? Rocco is doing what the fraternal twins hired him for, run the club new school. You can blame one thing for the Twins failures, it’s ownership. Rocco is a good manager. I’d have left him in, if it was my call, but I understand working for someone in a field that’s hard to get a job in.
You can run the club new school using analytics while still understanding this was a big moment for Joe and let him have his moment. Maybe even tell the kid, "hey analytics say I should pull you now so you don't risk blowing your arm out, but I realize this is a chance for a no hitter so I am going to let you make the call." It is possible he did this last night, but I doubt it.
I am also curious what analytics say to do when your starting pitcher goes through the opponent's line up for the 3rd time, but your fresh relief pitchers are worse than the starters on their 3rd trip through the line up.
Very good points. I think the analytics should take into account how crappy the available options are, maybe the Twins have a poor system to determine their decisions. I’m just going to defend the guy stuck in this position, Rocco. I’d get out of this Mickey Mouse organization before everyone starts thinking he sucks, because he doesn’t.
Personally speaking, I'd have let him start the 8th inning. The game wasn't overly close at the time so if he gets into a jam you still have some wiggle room. If he can get out of the 8th in 10-12 pitches then let him go for it in the 9th. If he gives up a hit in the 8th you take him out, if he goes over 120 pitches in the 8th you take him out, IMHO.
Strategically speaking? It makes sense to pull him. He's never thrown over 110 pitches in his professional career and the Twins are still trying to win the division. They have 2 more very winnable games today and tomorrow and then 5 consecutive games against division leading Cleveland. They need Ryan at his best for that series to have ANY chance to win the division. After his last two starts where he got knocked around pretty hard (9 earned in his previous 9 innings) and the fact that his start against Cleveland is likely going to be the biggest game of the season? Risking him burning his arm out isn't a really good decision. Kansas City fouled off something like 30 pitches last night which was a primary factor in his pitch count being as high as it was. As it was, to throw a no hitter at the pace he was throwing he would have gone near 140 pitches. That's a lot to ask for a guy who hasn't topped 110 ever, especially at this point in the season when he's had 3 bad starts out of his 6 previous.
This isn't really a "new school" vs "old school" thing (Ron Gardenhire and Paul Molitor were very much "old school" managers that largely shunned analytics and both pulled starters with no-nos through 6+ innings). It's them trying to protect their best assets because the end goal is the playoffs and World Series and Joe Ryan's health is key for the Twins not just this season, but for years to come as well.
I didn't get to see the game but I've read that Ryan was annoyed/frustrated with the decision, and I totally understand why. But I'm also 100% sure that he's aware of the reason that Rocco pulled him and ultimately knows it was probably better for the long haul.
Bingo!
This sport dies more and more each year... all of their own doing.
It is unwatchable even in person. All of things that made baseball great have slowly been drained out. Strategy is a friggin joke. The fact that they have to outlaw the shift because hitters are so over-reliant on pulling the ball for homeruns is the best example of it. And don't even get me started on how analytics killed the idea of sacrifices and stolen bases which were some of the more exciting aspects of the game.
They sold their soul trying to make the game more enjoyable for younger people and the younger people still rejected it. Now this lame ass video game version of the game is terrible. The last time they sold out this badly was the steroid era because "Chicks Dig the Long Ball" but at least that was somewhat enjoyable to watch. This is like watching a computer simulation...like MLB is now just a Playstation running the season.
And the saddest thing is the corrections they are making to try and fix the issues they caused are just dumb. Compounding mistakes instead of realizing the way it was for 100 years was what people liked. Baseball was a game of nostalgia.
My 13-year old (who plays baseball) will occasionally watch an inning or two, but he mostly just follows an app that sends score updates to his phone while he does other things. I'm assuming he found out about the no-hitter around the 6th inning last night, because he came upstairs and turned the game on. When Ryan didn't come out for the 8th inning, he turned the game off.
This is why baseball is doomed with the younger generation. It's completely robotic. There is very little for fans to get exited about. Only baseball could take something special like a potential no-hitter, and give the middle finger to its fanbase.
Sorry... I don't give a damn about "combined" no-hitters. Observing my son's reaction last night, the younger generation (what few are still left) don't either.
Bingo!
This sport dies more and more each year... all of their own doing.
It is unwatchable even in person. All of things that made baseball great have slowly been drained out. Strategy is a friggin joke. The fact that they have to outlaw the shift because hitters are so over-reliant on pulling the ball for homeruns is the best example of it. And don't even get me started on how analytics killed the idea of sacrifices and stolen bases which were some of the more exciting aspects of the game.
They sold their soul trying to make the game more enjoyable for younger people and the younger people still rejected it. Now this lame ass video game version of the game is terrible. The last time they sold out this badly was the steroid era because "Chicks Dig the Long Ball" but at least that was somewhat enjoyable to watch. This is like watching a computer simulation...like MLB is now just a Playstation running the season.
And the saddest thing is the corrections they are making to try and fix the issues they caused are just dumb. Compounding mistakes instead of realizing the way it was for 100 years was what people liked. Baseball was a game of nostalgia.
Hitters aren't "over-reliant on pulling the ball for home runs". This isn't slowpitch softball where you can say "This time I'm going to hit the ball to right field so that next time they shade over and I can pull it down the left field line."
The balls are coming in with more velocity, and more spin, than ever before. All coming from the same tunnel. Over and over and over. Hitters aren't actively saying "I have to pull the ball for a home run" when they step into the box. Their goal is to hit the ball hard. They read the pitch out of the hand and swing according to their read. If they're a couple milliseconds ahead they're going to roll over or pop it up, if they're a couple milliseconds behind they're going to foul it back, hit a tapper through the shift (opposite field), or swing and miss entirely. The shifts work because they have access to all the data from these "mis-hits" that come from hitters being off on timing.
It's really easy for fans to say "Look at that gigantic hole on the other side of the field, just hit it there". It's a whole different animal to be in the batter's box and see a guy throwing 95mph with 10-12 inches of arm side run on his fastball and following that up with 19 inches of gloveside break on his 87mph slider, both coming from the exact same release point that look almost identical until they are 25 feet away from you and say "OK COOL I'M GOING TO HIT THIS BALL ON THE GROUND THROUGH THE SHIFT NOW!"
That's just not a feasible consistent strategy for success for any hitter. If it was, everyone would be doing it right now. Look across the league. Guys hitting over .300 are going to get PAID when they hit free agency (only 14 are currently at or above .300 IIRC).
Answer to the shift? Bunt to the weak side. You can make that decision last minute.
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Answer to the shift? Bunt to the weak side. You can make that decision last minute.
Go ahead and go to a batting cage that has machines throwing 90mph and try to drop down a bunt like that that doesn't go right back to the pitcher. It's not nearly as easy as people think it is. Then think about adding between 2-7mph to it and also having to read it for horizontal break (2 seam fastballs/sinkers) coming in at you or going away from you, curveballs, sliders, etc.
(Sac bunting, on the other hand, is significantly easier because you're squaring up way early and broadcasting your decision).
Answer to the shift? Bunt to the weak side. You can make that decision last minute.
Go ahead and go to a batting cage that has machines throwing 90mph and try to drop down a bunt like that that doesn't go right back to the pitcher. It's not nearly as easy as people think it is. Then think about adding between 2-7mph to it and also having to read it for horizontal break (2 seam fastballs/sinkers) coming in at you or going away from you, curveballs, sliders, etc.
(Sac bunting, on the other hand, is significantly easier because you're squaring up way early and broadcasting your decision).
I would completely fail at it.
I also am not a professional player playing at the highest level of the sport. 😉
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
I only got back to watching the Twins the past couple nights. What happened that they went from contenders to pretenders? I do see they have a bunch of injuries.
Answer to the shift? Bunt to the weak side. You can make that decision last minute.
Go ahead and go to a batting cage that has machines throwing 90mph and try to drop down a bunt like that that doesn't go right back to the pitcher. It's not nearly as easy as people think it is. Then think about adding between 2-7mph to it and also having to read it for horizontal break (2 seam fastballs/sinkers) coming in at you or going away from you, curveballs, sliders, etc.
(Sac bunting, on the other hand, is significantly easier because you're squaring up way early and broadcasting your decision).
And yet people did it for over a century...because you know, they practiced the fundamentals of the game and used their talents for more than just getting beefed up stats. ("hit it where they aint" was something every coach said) I think you are forgetting the age range of the fans you are talking to we remember what baseball was like even 20 years ago. We remember when coaches understood that there is more to doing the job than just understanding probability. I get that some people think this is a better version of the game but that number is small and rather niche. And the ratings reflect that.
Glad you enjoy it...but at the rate it is going baseball will be losing to NCIS 10 years from now.
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