They suck again. Still? One of them.
Yep, they do.
10 runs wasn’t enough last night, and, for the second night in a row, Twins’ pitchers gave the game right back after a big homer got the team enough runs for a win.
You’d think eventually it would get old looking at the pitching staff for your next savior and seeing only the discount rack.
It’s the same old Twinkies never going anywhere
Aloha!
They suck again. Still? One of them.
Yep, they do.
10 runs wasn’t enough last night, and, for the second night in a row, Twins’ pitchers gave the game right back after a big homer got the team enough runs for a win.
You’d think eventually it would get old looking at the pitching staff for your next savior and seeing only the discount rack.
That would require spending serious ? something Rob, Chip & Ernie have no interest in doing..
How bad is this bullpen
Slightly better than league average. But that is entirely because Duran drags them up all by himself.
Slightly better than league average. But that is entirely because Duran drags them up all by himself.
And that's after playing a boatload of games against bad teams.
How bad is this bullpen
Bad enough to load the bases on 2 walks and a hit batter on zero outs only to need 2 force outs at home and fly out to keep the lead.
Slightly better than league average. But that is entirely because Duran drags them up all by himself.
And that’s after playing a boatload of games against bad teams.
IDK how to break this to you but the majority of their games this season will be against bad teams. There are 7 teams in the AL above .500 after Cleveland's hot streak (they've won 8 of their last 10 and 17 of their last 21).
The Twins are 12-13 against those 7 teams including their 0-3 record against Houston.
Tampa Bay is 9-13, Boston is 6-11, Houston is 8-8, Toronto is 16-19, Cleveland is 7-9.
The Yankees, the best team in baseball, are 22-9.
Be that as it may the Twins currently do not have a pitching staff that will get them past the first round of the playoffs if that.
They've been shutout more than any other team in baseball. That's more concerning to me at this rate than adding another middle reliever (which we do need to do).
I'm of the belief that they'll try to make a move for Frankie Montas at the deadline (or before).
Archer gives up one hit thru 5 to Colorado but then gets pulled at 77 pitches. If that’s what they gotta do to keep him healthy then so be it. I googled him and they list him at 6’2” 195? Really?
Duffey is alright when he gets an extra couple inches on each side of the zone.
Duran sure is fun to watch.
Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.
https://twitter.com/drivelinebases/status/1541201603956314112
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Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.
Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.
It's not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k — Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022
Have they announced if he's coaching the rest of the season here? I saw Reusse tweet that Johnson is on the team flight to Cleveland but it is Reusse.
Update: https://twitter.com/DanHayesMLB/status/1541204832152915970?s=20&t=HBYXoaT5U792sFayrDCPyw
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Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.
Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.
It's not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k — Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022
Why would the Twins have a well paid pitching coach?
Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.
Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.
It’s not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k — Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022
Why would the Twins have a well paid pitching coach?
Most MLB teams don't have a highly paid pitching coach (in respect to how much the players make, I should clarify. Estimates are MLB pitching coach salaries range from 200k-360k). From what I've seen, Johnson didn't even approach the Twins about a pay bump. He may just have more fun coaching the college kids.
Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.
Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.
It’s not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k — Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022
Why would the Twins have a well paid pitching coach?
Most MLB teams don’t have a highly paid pitching coach (in respect to how much the players make, I should clarify. Estimates are MLB pitching coach salaries range from 200k-360k). From what I’ve seen, Johnson didn’t even approach the Twins about a pay bump. He may just have more fun coaching the college kids.
If the tweet above can be believed, that top-tier Power 5 baseball pays pitching coaches so much better than MLB... "and it's not even close" its very odd. But let's say you're a cheap owner who doesn't want to pay for top pitching in say, the AL central. Wouldn't it make sense to instead have top pitching coaches? And pay them? At those prices you could have the Cadillac of pitching staffs for a fraction of the price of one decent MLB pitcher, and maybe squeeze a little more juice out of these lemons.
Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.
Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.
It’s not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k — Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022
Why would the Twins have a well paid pitching coach?
Most MLB teams don’t have a highly paid pitching coach (in respect to how much the players make, I should clarify. Estimates are MLB pitching coach salaries range from 200k-360k). From what I’ve seen, Johnson didn’t even approach the Twins about a pay bump. He may just have more fun coaching the college kids.
If the tweet above can be believed, that top-tier Power 5 baseball pays pitching coaches so much better than MLB… “and it’s not even close” its very odd. But let’s say you’re a cheap owner who doesn’t want to pay for top pitching in say, the AL central. Wouldn’t it make sense to instead have top pitching coaches? And pay them? At those prices you could have the Cadillac of pitching staffs for a fraction of the price of one decent MLB pitcher, and maybe squeeze a little more juice out of these lemons.
IDK. I think to some extent the title of pitching coach is a figurehead as much as anything. Good organizations have the same pitching philosophy from the top to the bottom. So the kids getting drafted/signed are getting the exact same coaching, pitch design, training, etc. as the ones in the major leagues. So while there is 1 pitching coach at the big league level, there are typically a couple assistant pitching coaches (bullpen coaches, etc) at the big league level, a couple pitching coaches at AAA, AA, high A, low A, rookie league... Not to mention all the pitching coordinators, development coordinators etc.
In theory, the guys at the lowest levels are the ones who do the most actual teaching/training based on the development plan workshopped between all the pitching coaches, development coordinators, etc. each offseason. By the time they get to the major league level they should be mostly finished products and the MLB pitching coach's job should be mostly pretty easy (make a minor adjustment here and there if a guy is tipping his pitches etc.) But all the huge adjustments are made by the pitchers long before they get to the show. I'd argue that having high dollars invested in the guys working with the younger players is as important, if not more important, than paying a pitching coach 500k instead of 360k. But that's just my opinion obviously.
The reason I was excited about Wes Johnson's hiring is because he was going to bring that mentality to the Twins organization so each of our pitching prospects would receive the same approach/training from the bottom to the top. Unlike under the previous regimes (both Gardy and Molitor) where it seemed like there was no synchronicity between the minors and the big leagues. Think back to how they handled Berrios when he first arrived. In the low minors he was throwing 94-95mph and racking up a lot of strikeouts using his devastating curveball to blow away overmatched hitters. When he got to AAA and was bordering on MLB debut there was a lot of concern about him trying to strike too many guys out so they wanted him to throw more 2-seamers/sinkers and fewer breaking balls. He went from throwing 64%, 62% and 61% fastballs in the 3 years under Moli/Gardy to 55% and 51% in his first two years under Wes Johnson and 56% last year (split between Toronto and Minnesota obviously).
That same philosophy has been adopted by the entire organization, which is huge for pitching development and organizational success going forward.
If/when they go outside the organization to hire a new pitching coach (they are just elevating the assistant pitching coach for the remainder of the year, from what I've heard) the key will be to hire somebody who has a similar philosophy to the current philosophy so they don't have to overhaul everything and start all over again.
Sources tell me and @DanHayesMLB that the #MNTwins plan to promote assistant pitching coach Pete Maki to the lead pitching coach role. But fully replacing Wes Johnson will be a group effort.— Aaron Gleeman (@AaronGleeman) June 27, 2022
I heard on KFAN this am he took the position its a family issue and he can be closer to their home location
Aloha!
https://twitter.com/DanHayesMLB/status/1541527708659863557?t=aKOkj81Pe-OJYLWIUlrvmA&s=19
Dan's reported salary doesn't include donor contributions etc. either, which I think is where the difference between the 700k reported initially and the 380k reported now comes from.
Twins just turned a wicked awesome 3-5-1 double play!
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Contreras with his first MLB hit! It's against a third baseman, but a batting average is a batting average.
It is a good start but the way this offense has been might mean they’ll struggle to score 11 the rest of the series
Buxton his his 20th HR in 56 games in the second game of the doubleheader. He’s on pace for something like 5.0 or 5.5 WAR for the year at thsi rate
Winder seems to be a promising young starter. He’s had some really good starts from what I’ve seen in the box scores
Buxton his his 20th HR in 56 games in the second game of the doubleheader. He’s on pace for something like 5.0 or 5.5 WAR for the year at thsi rate
Winder seems to be a promising young starter. He’s had some really good starts from what I’ve seen in the box scores
Winder is one of the pitching prospects I was high on coming into this season. He was really really good the last two years in the minors. Hopefully he stays healthy down the stretch.
Nice to see Kirilloff get his first dinger of the season. Now Urshela hits a rocket! Suddenly we've got a tie game in the sixth.
Rocco keeps tying that bold strategy of throwing Pagan out there against the Indians.
This team needs a couple high leverage relievers badly
Jesus this bullpen is terrible.
Twins score 3 in the 10th and lose. Just don’t give up a walk off homer…
Rocco keeps tying that bold strategy of throwing Pagan out there against the Indians.
This team needs a couple high leverage relievers badly
Pagan is so weird. He got off to a brutal start. Then he had a stretch where he allowed 3 runs across like 20 appearances. And now he's back pitching like the guy that started the season - can't find the strike zone and can't get guys out when he does.
He has the stuff to be borderline dominant but he misses the strikezone far too often and when you fall behind and hitters can sit dead red you're going to get shelled.
Rocco keeps tying that bold strategy of throwing Pagan out there against the Indians.
This team needs a couple high leverage relievers badly
Pagan is so weird. He got off to a brutal start. Then he had a stretch where he allowed 3 runs across like 20 appearances. And now he’s back pitching like the guy that started the season – can’t find the strike zone and can’t get guys out when he does.
He has the stuff to be borderline dominant but he misses the strikezone far too often and when you fall behind and hitters can sit dead red you’re going to get shelled.
Star Trib had a recent article about him, and how he's "fit in" to the role, this was obviously during his hot streak. Since the article? Brutal. Duffey is shaking his head at how bad Pagan has been.
When you tell somebody somethin', it depends on what part of the United States you're standin' in... as to just how dumb you are.
Alcala's injury has really been brutal. He was going to be another late inning flamethrower that the team was going to rely on.
Pagan can’t be used in critical situations! Maybe a stint in St. Paul would do him good! They need reliable relief pitching badly!!
Pagan can’t be used in critical situations! Maybe a stint in St. Paul would do him good! They need reliable relief pitching badly!!
Pagan has given up 9 earned runs (12 total) against Cleveland in 5.1 innings.
Against everyone else? 20.1 innings pitched, 6 earned runs.
Cleveland just flat out owns him.
He needs to be DFA'd. I'm at the point where I'd rather see a position player pitch than Pagan.
And Rocco... WTF? Why does he keep trotting him out there? Even with a 3 run lead, I was 90% certain they would lose when I saw Pagan come into the game.
Twins pitchers have issued 10 walks so far today, and HBP 2 more.
They have allowed 2 hits going into the bottom of the 9th.
Thornburg walks the leadoff guy, because of course.
I don't blame Wes Johnson for wanting to leave this bunch of horse bleep relievers...
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Twins trail 2-1 going to the bottom of the 9th. Arraez gets a single and Buxton walks it off with a 2 run homer. :dup:
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1543066241560109057
Continue to laugh at all the people who say Buxton is over paid. Less than a half season and he already has 21 homer runs.
He's tied for 24th league wide in WAR. That's ahead of Juan Soto, Nolan Arenado, Mookie Betts, Correa, Lindor, Rizzo, and Bregman.
I was using offensive WAR before some downer wants to point out much of his value has been as a DH
Buck's enthusiasm remind me of Puck. Kirby was my favorite Twin.
Puck + Buck = A smile on CollegeHockeyAddict's face. How can you not smile watching them play the game they love acting like kids having the time of their life?
https://twitter.com/dohyoungpark/status/1543068183984209922
The Baltimore closer before Buck's 2 run homer had given up 3 earned runs in 37 innings this season which an ERA of 0.73.
My truck driver at work was going to tonight's game. I said, "Make sure you stay until the end, no lead is safe. MN's bullpen sucks." He isn't a HUGE sports fan, so I was educating him on the recent games...
I think he'll be happy he went tonight.
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Jorge López had not allowed a home run in 2022 before Buxton got into that one for his second walk-off blast of the year.
Late-inning drama goes the Twins’ way after a brutal week.— Do-Hyoung Park (@dohyoungpark) July 2, 2022
The Baltimore closer before Buck’s 2 run homer had given up 3 earned runs in 37 innings this season which an ERA of 0.73.
Saw on Twitter that Buxton and Correa were talking with hitting coach David Popkins at the end of the 8th inning to prepare for their at-bats against Lopez and they discussed trying to get a swing on something out over the plate to drive to left center because that's where teams have been able to drive the ball against him.
Buxton got a slider breaking across the plate and was able to barrel it to left center.
Gotta love it when a plan comes together.
The Twins on back to back days get to the O's star closer who hadn't given up a homer all season in 37 innings. Today Hip Hip Jorge Polanco hits a game tying homer and the Twins walk it off on a Miranda single after a Kirilloff double and a Sanchez single.
O's star closer this season before last night's game: 37 innings 3 earned runs given up for a 0.73 ERA
The past 24 hours against the Twins: 1/3 of an inning (over two games) 4 earned runs given up for a 108.00 ERA
The O's should designate him for assignment after all you can't have a relief pitcher blow two games in a row. 😉
Pagan pitches a shut out inning and gets the win. :yahoo:
Cotton was huge today pitching 3 shut out innings. These were the two guys who blow the extra inning game in Cleveland. #Redemption
Polanco HR, Kiriloff double, Sanchez bloop single, followed by Miranda hitting a rocket to left for a walkoff.
Pagan 10 pitch inning, 2 Ks, 0 baserunners. Borderline dominant. :wacko:
Polanco HR, Kiriloff double, Sanchez bloop single, followed by Miranda hitting a rocket to left for a walkoff.
Pagan 10 pitch inning, 2 Ks, 0 baserunners. Borderline dominant.
It was weird. First game I’ve been to since pre COVID. The Orioles kept marching out relief pitchers with sub 2 ERAs and some how the Twins bats woke up.
Gordon was making nice contact all game.
Has anyone else’s ballys channel been really glitchy when watching the twins the last two days? I’m trying to figure out if it’s the channel or my cable. They recently re-did our cable (and f’ed it up).
I haven’t been seeing this on other channels.