Lol. The Twins take a lead and the pitchers immediately give it back.
Leads given up in the 4th, 5th, 7th, and 8th innings.
If Rob. Chip & Ernie cared 10% as much about winning as Craig Leopold, the Twins would have competent pitchers! But they (literally) don’t give 2 sh-ts about the Twins ever winning another WS title. Even if they make the playoffs from the God awful Central Division, they’ll lose in the 1st Round of the playoffs. It’s summer entertainment, especially now that the Stanley Cup has been hoisted (until start of September) but not much more, it’s kinda sad…
Which big money bullpen move would you have made that they didn’t?
The Twins team has a 3.66 ERA this season, good for 8th best in MLB and 0.02 runs behind 6th place.
How is that an incompetent pitching staff?
While the Team ERA is nice to look at, the team is tied for 18th for SV despite being 10th for most SVO and they have given up the 5th most HRs.
Also they only have 2 pitchers in the Top 100 for IP and (Bundy and Ryan) and they're tied at 91st. How much of this falls on how they handle their starters?
Leads given up in the 4th, 5th, 7th, and 8th innings.
If Rob. Chip & Ernie cared 10% as much about winning as Craig Leopold, the Twins would have competent pitchers! But they (literally) don’t give 2 sh-ts about the Twins ever winning another WS title. Even if they make the playoffs from the God awful Central Division, they’ll lose in the 1st Round of the playoffs. It’s summer entertainment, especially now that the Stanley Cup has been hoisted (until start of September) but not much more, it’s kinda sad…
Which big money bullpen move would you have made that they didn’t?
The Twins team has a 3.66 ERA this season, good for 8th best in MLB and 0.02 runs behind 6th place.
How is that an incompetent pitching staff?
What I’m talking about is an ownership group not committed to winning at the highest level (another World Series title). They experienced that “high” as young men and have no “push” to experience it again. They have a nice stadium to play in, draw well enough & fortunately play in a weak division (imagine being the Baltimore Orioles & the challenges they face). So they’re content occasionally making the playoffs & then LOSING in the first round (to them this spells s-u-c-c-e-s-s) :whistle:
I get your Twins enthusiasm & respect your deep knowledge of baseball…but you know what I’m referring to (regarding Rob, Chip & Ernie) is the TRUTH!
Lol. The Twins take a lead and the pitchers immediately give it back.
Leads given up in the 4th, 5th, 7th, and 8th innings.
If Rob. Chip & Ernie cared 10% as much about winning as Craig Leopold, the Twins would have competent pitchers! But they (literally) don’t give 2 sh-ts about the Twins ever winning another WS title. Even if they make the playoffs from the God awful Central Division, they’ll lose in the 1st Round of the playoffs. It’s summer entertainment, especially now that the Stanley Cup has been hoisted (until start of September) but not much more, it’s kinda sad…
Which big money bullpen move would you have made that they didn’t?
The Twins team has a 3.66 ERA this season, good for 8th best in MLB and 0.02 runs behind 6th place.
How is that an incompetent pitching staff?
While the Team ERA is nice to look at, the team is tied for 18th for SV despite being 10th for most SVO and they have given up the 5th most HRs.
Also they only have 2 pitchers in the Top 100 for IP and (Bundy and Ryan) and they’re tied at 91st. How much of this falls on how they handle their starters?
Considering Gray missed 3-4 starts with a hamstring injury and Ober has been out for a month+, and Paddack is out for the season, I wouldn't read too much into it. 3/5ths of the opening day rotation has missed significant time after making 5+ starts.
Hell, Joe Ryan missed a couple starts with COVID too.
Over his last 6 starts, Gray has gone 6, 6, 7, 7, 5 and 4 (he was getting hit pretty hard that game so he got pulled). If he hadn't missed those 3-4 starts he'd certainly be in the top 100.
They are going to continue to be careful with Archer due to his history of injuries, and rightfully so (he's on the IL right now due to right hip tightness, not an arm issue).
I am curious to see what they plan to do with Archer when he returns if Smeltzer continues to pitch well. Archer has been mostly great this season but they are keeping him to 4-5 innings/game. If Smeltzer (and/or Winder) continues to be effective, I wonder if they will try to convert Archer into a reliever role.
Twins prospects Matt Wallner (Forest Lake High School grad) and Spencer Steer will be playing in the MLB Futures game during the all-star break.
Wallner started the season 3/41 with 23 Ks in their first 11 games.
In the 62 games since then, he is slashing an absurd .324/.466/.672 with 19 HRs, 13 doubles, and 54 RBIs.
Could end up being a pretty big trade piece if the team wants to make a move for a high end SP (like Montas, Castillo, or Mahle).
It’s time for Buxton to improve that BA.
This is… inhuman
I don't even know how Byron Buxton *saw* this ball, much less caught it pic.twitter.com/lkHSZxGV15— Mike Petriello (@mike_petriello) July 9, 2022
Possibly his best yet? Amazing.
“When your best friend is the son of God, you get tired of losing every argument.”
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Angel Hernandez at it again. :ddown:
A lead off double would have been nice but the Twins got Angeled. :wacko:
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If the top of the strike zone is supposed to be mid torso, why does the white box on the TV often line up at or below a batter’s belt?
Every now and then you have to be able to throw a pitch in the strike zone.
The Twins are Twinning it today...
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
I'm 50% factual and 50% sarcastic. When you get to know me, you will know which is which.
No Twins on tv this afternoon? Newspaper says BSN!
Sano is going to have a tough time beating out Miranda for a roster spot. Miranda is a better hitter & doesn’t strike out nearly as much! Sano’s contract expires at the end of this year. The Twins are going to pay him either.
We were at today’s game. The Twins have had three walk-off homers. We have been at all three of them. (We have 20 dame season tickets, so we have been at some bad losses as well). But those particular wins have been a lot of fun.
Sano is going to have a tough time beating out Miranda for a roster spot. Miranda is a better hitter & doesn’t strike out nearly as much! Sano’s contract expires at the end of this year. The Twins are going to pay him either.
Teams pay for players who hit home runs, even when they strike out 50% of the time and hit around .200. You can't score three or 4 goals on one shot in hockey, but you can score up to four runs with one swing of the bat. All true, but I couldn't care less if Sano doesn't come back. :bye:
Gray sucks, now we get a tired bullpen for the four game series against the White Sox.
Getting stomped again.
MLB draft started tonight.
Twins had #8 overall pick and got what was basically a consensus top 5 guy in Cal Poly shortstop Brooks Lee. Most scouts seem to believe he'll play 3B in the majors. One of the best pure hitters in college this season, he's a switch hitter that hit .342/.384/.626 last season in college and also hit .405/.432/.667 in the elite wood bat Cape Cod league in 21 games.
At #48 they took a LHP from Alabama named Connor Prielipp that has electric stuff. He missed all of 2022 college season after Tommy John Surgery last May but was considered a top 25 prospect going into this draft (some thought he was the #1 overall prospect for the class before the injury). As a true freshman he became Alabama's #1 started, striking out 35 in 21 innings while allowing 0 earned runs before the pandemic ended the college season. He features a high-80s slider and a low to mid-90s fastball. Many scouts think he'll probably add another MPH or two to his fastball as he grows into his body and completes his recovery. He threw a full bullpen in front of draft evaluators and another at the pre-draft combine, so he may end up pitching late this summer in AZ fall league if they want him to. He's definitely got front of the rotation stuff.
With their third pick they took Tanner Schobel, the starting SS from the surprising Virgina Tech Hokies. Schobel hit .362/.445/.689 this season with 19 HRs and 18 doubles in 59 games. Sounds like a guy who will probably be a shortstop/super utility (a la Arraez) if he cracks the big leagues-a guy who can hit a lot and is good enough at just about everything defensively to not hurt you anywhere you put him.
Off to a very good start, IMO.
Buxton hit the GW home run in the ASG tonight. Luis Arraez got a single against St. Louis superstar reliever Ryan Helsley on his curveball after fouling off 102mph and 103mph fastballs. It was the first hit Helsley has allowed on a curveball all season and only the second one in his entire MLB career.
Buxton hit the GW home run in the ASG tonight. Luis Arraez got a single against St. Louis superstar reliever Ryan Helsley on his curveball after fouling off 102mph and 103mph fastballs. It was the first hit Helsley has allowed on a curveball all season and only the second one in his entire MLB career.
That's amazing.
Gleeman on Sano:
What, if anything, is Miguel Sanó worth on the trade market? — Jim N.
Sanó has negative trade value, meaning the Twins would have to cover most or all of his remaining contract just to unload him for little or nothing in return.
We’re about to see this situation come to a head in the next few days, because the 20-day window for Sanó’s minor-league rehab assignment is almost closed. Once his rehab assignment ends, the Twins will have to clear room for him on the active roster or say goodbye, via trade, waivers or outright release. I believe there’s a decent chance we’ve seen the last of Sanó in a Twins uniform.
There’s zero reason for the Twins to send down a promising, productive young hitter like Alex Kirilloff or Jose Miranda to make room for Sanó, who’s unlikely to be a short-term upgrade and clearly not in the long-term plans. Kyle Garlick is a right-handed bench bat, a role Sanó could also fill in theory, except Garlick crushes lefties and can play the outfield, two key differences.
Nick Gordon is out of minor-league options, so the Twins can’t send him down without risking losing him on waivers. Even if they were open to doing that to make room for Sanó, the role Gordon fills as a backup shortstop, backup center fielder and platoon left fielder isn’t replicated by Sanó in any way. Gordon may be expendable, but he has more day-to-day utility than Sanó on this roster.
Gilberto Celestino can be sent to the minors and has struggled recently after a hot start to the season. If the Twins are dead set on welcoming back Sanó, then demoting Celestino is the most logical way to make room. However, it would require using Gordon a lot more in center field and it would make the bench a lot less flexible without Celestino’s glove and speed.
I’m not even sure the Twins are a better team with Sanó at this point. I’m also not sure they care to find out. They’d love to trade Sanó for anything of value and move on. But they might end up moving on even if they can’t find a taker.
8-1 Twinkies in the 9th
Aloha!
Gleeman on Sano:
What, if anything, is Miguel Sanó worth on the trade market? — Jim N.
Sanó has negative trade value, meaning the Twins would have to cover most or all of his remaining contract just to unload him for little or nothing in return.
We’re about to see this situation come to a head in the next few days, because the 20-day window for Sanó’s minor-league rehab assignment is almost closed. Once his rehab assignment ends, the Twins will have to clear room for him on the active roster or say goodbye, via trade, waivers or outright release. I believe there’s a decent chance we’ve seen the last of Sanó in a Twins uniform.
There’s zero reason for the Twins to send down a promising, productive young hitter like Alex Kirilloff or Jose Miranda to make room for Sanó, who’s unlikely to be a short-term upgrade and clearly not in the long-term plans. Kyle Garlick is a right-handed bench bat, a role Sanó could also fill in theory, except Garlick crushes lefties and can play the outfield, two key differences.
Nick Gordon is out of minor-league options, so the Twins can’t send him down without risking losing him on waivers. Even if they were open to doing that to make room for Sanó, the role Gordon fills as a backup shortstop, backup center fielder and platoon left fielder isn’t replicated by Sanó in any way. Gordon may be expendable, but he has more day-to-day utility than Sanó on this roster.
Gilberto Celestino can be sent to the minors and has struggled recently after a hot start to the season. If the Twins are dead set on welcoming back Sanó, then demoting Celestino is the most logical way to make room. However, it would require using Gordon a lot more in center field and it would make the bench a lot less flexible without Celestino’s glove and speed.
I’m not even sure the Twins are a better team with Sanó at this point. I’m also not sure they care to find out. They’d love to trade Sanó for anything of value and move on. But they might end up moving on even if they can’t find a taker.
I’ll admit I’ve had a very high level of FOMO with Sano. He’s been a top prospect for so long and seemed to have enormous potential. I couldn’t stand watching him go to another team only to be the second coming of Big Papi. But it seems the day has come where the Twins could be hurt by keeping him on the roster, so…adios!
Gleeman on Sano:
What, if anything, is Miguel Sanó worth on the trade market? — Jim N.
Sanó has negative trade value, meaning the Twins would have to cover most or all of his remaining contract just to unload him for little or nothing in return.
We’re about to see this situation come to a head in the next few days, because the 20-day window for Sanó’s minor-league rehab assignment is almost closed. Once his rehab assignment ends, the Twins will have to clear room for him on the active roster or say goodbye, via trade, waivers or outright release. I believe there’s a decent chance we’ve seen the last of Sanó in a Twins uniform.
There’s zero reason for the Twins to send down a promising, productive young hitter like Alex Kirilloff or Jose Miranda to make room for Sanó, who’s unlikely to be a short-term upgrade and clearly not in the long-term plans. Kyle Garlick is a right-handed bench bat, a role Sanó could also fill in theory, except Garlick crushes lefties and can play the outfield, two key differences.
Nick Gordon is out of minor-league options, so the Twins can’t send him down without risking losing him on waivers. Even if they were open to doing that to make room for Sanó, the role Gordon fills as a backup shortstop, backup center fielder and platoon left fielder isn’t replicated by Sanó in any way. Gordon may be expendable, but he has more day-to-day utility than Sanó on this roster.
Gilberto Celestino can be sent to the minors and has struggled recently after a hot start to the season. If the Twins are dead set on welcoming back Sanó, then demoting Celestino is the most logical way to make room. However, it would require using Gordon a lot more in center field and it would make the bench a lot less flexible without Celestino’s glove and speed.
I’m not even sure the Twins are a better team with Sanó at this point. I’m also not sure they care to find out. They’d love to trade Sanó for anything of value and move on. But they might end up moving on even if they can’t find a taker.
I’ll admit I’ve had a very high level of FOMO with Sano. He’s been a top prospect for so long and seemed to have enormous potential. I couldn’t stand watching him go to another team only to be the second coming of Big Papi. But it seems the day has come where the Twins could be hurt by keeping him on the roster, so…adios!
With the way Miranda has been hitting the ball since his (very) brief send down, it makes the Sano upcoming DFA almost automatic. Whether another team claims him will remain to be seen. He has been absolutely destroying the ball at AAA in his rehab stint (8/23 with 3 HRs and 2 2Bs for an OPS of 1.249). The only real argument to bringing Sano up and sending Celestino back down would be that the offense hasn't exactly been dominant this year and Sano has the chance to put a run up on the board every time he's in the box.
It would likely mean Arraez plays more in the outfield as well. They could use Kiriloff in RF, Kepler in CF, and Arraez in LF on Buxton's days off just as easily as Kiriloff in LF, Gordon in CF, and Kepler in RF. Celestino has gone ice cold since his hot start and doesn't offer a ton of pop (yet).
IMO, the Celestino down, Sano in will be the best option. Let Celestino go down and get more consistent at-bats and see if Sano can carry over the hot streak he's had in his rehab (albeit against significantly worse pitching). If Sano comes up and struggles like he did at the beginning of the season then you just DFA him or trade him at the deadline and bring Celestino back up. Either way you're likely going to eat a good chunk of his remaining salary so you may as well see if he can get on the hot streak he usually gets on once a year and put a jump into the offense.
It’s good to see the opinion of me and other GPL members finally accepted: Sano doesn’t produce the numbers and lacks the durability to be a cornerstone. Buck may have the durability issues, but he has the production, reputation and lack of off the field bull that make Sano so releasable.
It’s good to see the opinion of me and other GPL members finally accepted: Sano doesn’t produce the numbers and lacks the durability to be a cornerstone. Buck may have the durability issues, but he has the production, reputation and lack of off the field bull that make Sano so releasable.
David Ortiz didn't have the numbers and durability either.....until he did.
It’s good to see the opinion of me and other GPL members finally accepted: Sano doesn’t produce the numbers and lacks the durability to be a cornerstone. Buck may have the durability issues, but he has the production, reputation and lack of off the field bull that make Sano so releasable.
David Ortiz didn’t have the numbers and durability either…..until he started juicing.
Fixed your post.
Ortiz's numbers in MN weren't terrible (.266/.348/.461 career as a Twin, with 48 HRs over his last 3 seasons here where he played 345 games). Bear in mind that was also under the coaching staff that basically told him he wasn't allowed to pull the ball. Obviously his numbers in Boston skyrocketed, partly due to the ballpark (short porch in LF to hit off the wall and short right field corner) and lineup he was in and their philosophy, partly due to the fact that he managed to stay in the lineup more often, and probably partly due to the juice (IDK if he was juicing while he was here or not).
It’s good to see the opinion of me and other GPL members finally accepted: Sano doesn’t produce the numbers and lacks the durability to be a cornerstone. Buck may have the durability issues, but he has the production, reputation and lack of off the field bull that make Sano so releasable.
David Ortiz didn’t have the numbers and durability either…..until he started juicing.
Fixed your post.
Good point.
Sounds like Kepler's foot is quite painful (he got HBP in the foot yesterday). If it is gonna be a few days before he's ready they could put him on IL and activate Sano that way too.
Gleeman on Sano:
What, if anything, is Miguel Sanó worth on the trade market? — Jim N.
Sanó has negative trade value, meaning the Twins would have to cover most or all of his remaining contract just to unload him for little or nothing in return.
We’re about to see this situation come to a head in the next few days, because the 20-day window for Sanó’s minor-league rehab assignment is almost closed. Once his rehab assignment ends, the Twins will have to clear room for him on the active roster or say goodbye, via trade, waivers or outright release. I believe there’s a decent chance we’ve seen the last of Sanó in a Twins uniform.
There’s zero reason for the Twins to send down a promising, productive young hitter like Alex Kirilloff or Jose Miranda to make room for Sanó, who’s unlikely to be a short-term upgrade and clearly not in the long-term plans. Kyle Garlick is a right-handed bench bat, a role Sanó could also fill in theory, except Garlick crushes lefties and can play the outfield, two key differences.
Nick Gordon is out of minor-league options, so the Twins can’t send him down without risking losing him on waivers. Even if they were open to doing that to make room for Sanó, the role Gordon fills as a backup shortstop, backup center fielder and platoon left fielder isn’t replicated by Sanó in any way. Gordon may be expendable, but he has more day-to-day utility than Sanó on this roster.
Gilberto Celestino can be sent to the minors and has struggled recently after a hot start to the season. If the Twins are dead set on welcoming back Sanó, then demoting Celestino is the most logical way to make room. However, it would require using Gordon a lot more in center field and it would make the bench a lot less flexible without Celestino’s glove and speed.
I’m not even sure the Twins are a better team with Sanó at this point. I’m also not sure they care to find out. They’d love to trade Sanó for anything of value and move on. But they might end up moving on even if they can’t find a taker.
I’ll admit I’ve had a very high level of FOMO with Sano. He’s been a top prospect for so long and seemed to have enormous potential. I couldn’t stand watching him go to another team only to be the second coming of Big Papi. But it seems the day has come where the Twins could be hurt by keeping him on the roster, so…adios!
With the way Miranda has been hitting the ball since his (very) brief send down, it makes the Sano upcoming DFA almost automatic. Whether another team claims him will remain to be seen. He has been absolutely destroying the ball at AAA in his rehab stint (8/23 with 3 HRs and 2 2Bs for an OPS of 1.249). The only real argument to bringing Sano up and sending Celestino back down would be that the offense hasn’t exactly been dominant this year and Sano has the chance to put a run up on the board every time he’s in the box.
It would likely mean Arraez plays more in the outfield as well. They could use Kiriloff in RF, Kepler in CF, and Arraez in LF on Buxton’s days off just as easily as Kiriloff in LF, Gordon in CF, and Kepler in RF. Celestino has gone ice cold since his hot start and doesn’t offer a ton of pop (yet).
IMO, the Celestino down, Sano in will be the best option. Let Celestino go down and get more consistent at-bats and see if Sano can carry over the hot streak he’s had in his rehab (albeit against significantly worse pitching). If Sano comes up and struggles like he did at the beginning of the season then you just DFA him or trade him at the deadline and bring Celestino back up. Either way you’re likely going to eat a good chunk of his remaining salary so you may as well see if he can get on the hot streak he usually gets on once a year and put a jump into the offense.
https://twitter.com/StribSports/status/1551741725252751360?s=20&t=d-1CTZk2hoAYFXWl885z7w
This ball was massacred
https://twitter.com/BallySportsNOR/status/1552084834587131904?s=20&t=fJ8-jFnwBTcdgi1AIpCCag
It may have splashed.
Pagan with a solid 6th. Yellich hits a line drive double but he can do that to many pitchers.
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Well poop.
I guess I have to stop watching completely. I know the stats say he's been good lately, but each and every time I see Duffey he's absolutely terrible.
After a fantastic pitch to get out of a bases loaded bottom of the 8th.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Twins/status/1552131930027589632?cxt=HHwWgICw3Ynxo4orAAAA
Another pitiful bullpen performance! This loss wil be on Baldelli! Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager! He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!
Another pitiful bullpen performance! This loss wil be on Baldelli! Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager! He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!
So you rip on the bullpen for being bad but then rip the manager for not going to the bullpen sooner?
Another pitiful bullpen performance! This loss wil be on Baldelli! Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager! He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!
So you rip on the bullpen for being bad but then rip the manager for not going to the bullpen sooner?
I think Baldelli is the second best manager in Twins history after TK. Billy Martin only had a year, otherwise he was probably first or second. If Rocco had real ownership, he’d be certain to win some rings, but he’s been all I could hope for.
These Padres’ uniforms look like something from the old Peewee’s Playhouse show.
They're so terrible I love them. 🙂
Horrible game though. I'm changing the channel too.
I just tuned in. Is it late 80’s or early 90’s night? I feel like I’ve just been transported to junior high.
I’d like to see some hyper-color jerseys.
don’t fart though. ?
A little info about the SD jerseys, it is part of the “City Connect” series of jerseys that only some teams currently have. The second link shows the other teams that have them.
the fun colors have grown on me!
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34176091/san-diego-padres-release-city-connect-uniforms
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31631004/ranking-mlb-city-connect-uniforms