What the hell is happening?
https://twitter.com/GopherPuckLive/status/1763977834693878105?s=20
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On the front angle it appears that the Ohio State player raises his elbow and catches the guy with his stick and elbow. I am guessing that is why it was called.
As bad as I've thought some of the reviews on Gopher/opponent goals have been recently (not last night, that one I was OK with), this call is absolutely absurd and so much worse. I get looking out for player safety, but, if you're skating and someone runs into you form behind with their face, that's not a penalty on you.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
What the hell is happening?
https://twitter.com/GopherPuckLive/status/1763977834693878105?s=20
I figured when Bob challenged the goal in the 2nd MN would somehow end up with a Major penalty.
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I've got to be honest, given how many of these reviews change the direction and possibly even the outcome of a game, it feels like it's either to the point of corruption, or need to replace the entire officiating staff due to complete inability to learn the rules.What the hell is happening?
https://twitter.com/GopherPuckLive/status/1763977834693878105?s=20
I figured when Bob challenged the goal in the 2nd MN would somehow end up with a Major penalty.
B1G refs... corrupt, or just incompetent?
On the front angle it appears that the Ohio State player raises his elbow and catches the guy with his stick and elbow. I am guessing that is why it was called.
There’s nothing there to call.
Keep your stick on the ice...
On the front angle it appears that the Ohio State player raises his elbow and catches the guy with his stick and elbow. I am guessing that is why it was called.
I personally think that it is a natural reaction to raise your elbow in reacting to getting hit and not knowing it is coming. The PSU player ran in to him. Plain and simple.
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I know that I have said this before, but it has been a while since I watched an NCAA game where the officials could even keep up with the game. They are so overmatched that it's getting hard to watch.I've got to be honest, given how many of these reviews change the direction and possibly even the outcome of a game, it feels like it's either to the point of corruption, or need to replace the entire officiating staff due to complete inability to learn the rules.What the hell is happening?
https://twitter.com/GopherPuckLive/status/1763977834693878105?s=20
I figured when Bob challenged the goal in the 2nd MN would somehow end up with a Major penalty.
Making that PSU/OSU call during live action should get an official reprimanded. Not overturning that call after video review should get an official fired
Was it the official at our game in wisco by chance?
I'm working my last game of the 2023-24 season on Saturday. Here are my stats and observations from year 2 of officiating:
77 games worked
17 Levels worked (10UB2, 10UB, 10UA, SQC, SQB2, SQB, SQA, 12UB2, 12UB, 12UA, PWC, PWB2, PWB, 15UB, 15A, BNC, BNB2)
4 dickhead coaches. The worst one was in a GIRLS 10UB GAME (I wish I was kidding). Fortunately, it feels like coaches were a lot better this year than last year. Or maybe I just improved as an official?
Favorite levels to officiate: Girls 12UA, 15UA, 15UB. Players are polite. Very few (if any) chippiness or BS after the whistle.
Least favorite levels to officiate: SQC, SQB2. Terrible skaters who constantly fall and take others down with them. Coaches think everything is a penalty. Squirt games are some of the hardest for me to officiate, and they also pay the worst. I do enjoy working SQA games though.
Just a self-aware personal observation, but I tend to have a higher tolerance for physical play than most referees. I don't make a lot of ticky-tack calls. My philosophy is call the obvious stuff that everyone sees, call the stuff that impacts scoring chances, and call the dangerous stuff. Otherwise, I tend to let 'em play. I think most coaches appreciate that. I worked 4 games this year with one particular ref who calls EVERYTHING, and all 4 games turned into a clown show. I think those games averaged 10+ penalties per game, with me calling 1-2 and this partner calling 8+. Coaches were furious at my partner in every one of those games. "The Code" says you have your partner's back out there on the ice, but privately I agreed with the coaches. He made the games miserable to work. Nobody was happy, and the games took forever to finish. I'd rather let too much go than be that ref who calls everything.
And yeah... If you read my post from about a month ago, I'm in a much better place now. I started a new 9-5 job in mid-February, so I'm actually getting paid to ref again.
Any hockey officials still posting here?
Not a ref, but as much as what the coach said may have hurt the ego, I don't see how you could penalize that comment. Not a penalty in my mind. Just let it go and move on.
The coach is a self centered ass.
If it were me it chalk not doing anything additional as my own personal warning. If he acts that way in the future let him know he's been on double secret probation.
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Guy could probably use looking in the mirror if his team is committing all these penalties and coincidental shit. Lot of coaches it’s pretty typical shit that they let this kind of thing go then act all woe is me when it’s called like it’s not partly their fault they aren’t controlling their players
Yeah it’d be one thing if the coincidental penalties only got called one way (or it truly wasn’t coincidental, like that penalty Matthew Wood got in Madison 😂) but sounds like the coach is just oblivious. It happens.
@hockeybum Don't let them get to you. And end of game unsportsmanlike penalty does nothing but prove they were able to get under your skin. As much as it sucks sometimes, you've just got to let it go and pretend like your hearing aids weren't turned on. This is a pretty innocuous comment in the grand scheme of things. But I can attest that I have had similar things eat at me for one reason or another. One of the most biting ones for me one night after a hard skate and a difficult games with lots of penalties was "whatever you're getting paid, it is way too much. You need a new hobby". That night, that one really pi$$ed me off.
I keep a couple lines in my back pocket for certain situations: "Ref, you're missing a great game out there!" -- "Where is it? It sure isn't in here" Stupid stuff like that. If you have a rapport with the coaches and have seen them, you can usually give it back. Of course, without swearing or insult. Kill them with kindness. Make it impossible for them to file a complaint about you. But if someone crosses the line, assess what you need to assess.
Where do you draw the line? It moves. A great supervisor once told me "If you're getting paid $80 to work a game, you need to take $80 worth of abuse that night. But you get to decide what $80 is worth. If you think it's more than $80 I will have your back every single time." In 21 years of officiating I can count on one hand the number of coaches I have kicked out of a game, I need to add a 2nd hand to add a couple who I should've kicked out but didn't. I have handed out plenty of minors, and every single one there was no question they earned it. I gave them enough rope, and in the end they choose what to do with it.
For me, and this is me, I draw the line at personal insults. (Or, in youth hockey, excessive swearing). To me, "You f**king suck!" is quite a bit different than "what a f**king awful call". I was much quicker to pull the trigger on a minor for a personal insult than for a complaint about a call. Sadly, at the levels I was willing to put up with more abuse, I generally received less of it. Some, yes. To the level of youth and HS hockey, no. I had a coach (Matt Cooke @ Chaska) tell me that I "didn't have the balls to bench him" loud enough at a stoppage for most of the rink to hear it. He immediately got one, and two more throughout the game. Yeah, that's going to draw a pretty quick response. AND his team got scored on 2 of those. After the third one, the captain asked me to kick his coach out. I decided I had proved my point and stopped.
Another one that I have an opinion on is coincidental penalties. They are times and places for them, but if you're getting late in a game, the kids are rambunctious, and you've called 2 sets of coincidental, don't do it a third time. Let them know someone will be going shorthanded. If it is stuff after the whistle, just tell them "next shove gets an extra one!" loud enough so they can hear it. one or two of those and they usually figure stuff out. I say usually because there are some games that just aren't going to end up going well. It happens. When the kids give you the what for? you can say "I told you, the next one is getting a minor/extra penalty".
Just don't carry it with you. When you see them again, you have to be a goldfish and forget the previous game. If they bring up the previous game (unless it is to apologize), you just say I cannot even remember that game, or I am not here to talk about the past. Its a non-issue and everybody moves on. Once you acknowledge it, or bring it up, they know they got under your skin or got to you. Don't let them have that satisfaction.