KARE11 looks at NIL
https://twitter.com/RobertTGag/status/1859232943333335045?t=aULqLDkYU78qFCCJxzc6sg&s=19
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Sun Country Airlines joins NIL for the Gophers
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It will be interesting how this plays out.
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It will be interesting how this plays out.
No kidding. I would be very curious how many other instances of this have taken place across the country at other big time basketball/football programs. I have heard PJ state on his radio program that the U is very careful what they promise to athletes to avoid situations like this. There really is no world in which that behavior is acceptable, that said, D1 coaches live in a harsh reality and they can get fired quickly for even a single down year.
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Sun Country Airlines joins NIL for the Gophers
The plane is pretty cool looking…
Keep your stick on the ice...
Honestly, as we all know, NIL rules will be driven by P4 Football. While all of this will certainly change the landscape of who the haves and have nots will be, i think that in hockey it will be a tremendous benefit to the Gophers. I fully expect the Gophers to have more NIL hockey money than any other school in the state. I am not sure how UMD or MN State could ever compete. The Gophers should have first pick of every MN kid who wants to stay home. We should also compete with the top talent in other states who are looking for the best deal. Honestly, I only see the other B1G schools plus BU, and BC, having NIL funds to compete with the Gophers. Most the other B1G schools are football schools, with limited or no natural hockey fan base that will want to support hockey (like OhSt). Point is, like in CFB, college hockey will have its “haves”, but it doesn’t mean that other schools can’t or won’t participate.
revenue sharing will likely go back to football, I.e. you share the revenues with the players from the sport that generates the revenues. Gopher Hockey should see a bump over our B1G competition as I believe we revenue more than them. Also, don’t get confused with profit and losses of college sports. Remember that universities are non for profit, so they need to find a loss for all that football and basketball money to net zero.
I am also don’t follow how it will create a situation where non P4 football schools will be excluded from competing in hockey. Someone needs to explain that to me
https://twitter.com/FloWrestling/status/1886944160227139829
Iowa landed a commitment from the top recruit of the 2026 class. Bassett has made quite the spectacle of his recruitment process since he started a countdown last summer. He would post of X eliminating a college each week until he was down to four last week. He went live on Flo Wrestling to announce his commitment this week. Rumors are abound that Bassett will receive 5 million in NIL money when he arrives on campus.
He is talented for sure but I am not sure if this is the road Iowa wants to start to go down just to beat Penn State who are undoubtedly the top college program for the last decade.
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PSU fans claim he wouldn’t have cracked the lineup in Happy Valley. And most people thought he was going to Oklahoma State. What’s the connection between him and Spencer Lee?
Keep your stick on the ice...
https://twitter.com/FloWrestling/status/1886944160227139829
Iowa landed a commitment from the top recruit of the 2026 class. Bassett has made quite the spectacle of his recruitment process since he started a countdown last summer. He would post of X eliminating a college each week until he was down to four last week. He went live on Flo Wrestling to announce his commitment this week. Rumors are abound that Bassett will receive 5 million in NIL money when he arrives on campus.
He is talented for sure but I am not sure if this is the road Iowa wants to start to go down just to beat Penn State who are undoubtedly the top college program for the last decade.
I don't understand the intricacies of NIL, but is rasslin' a revenue sport anywhere? Five million?! That's a lifetime income for a sport he probably wouldn't earn anything for after college unless he made it big in UFC. That number is incredible when you consider it's more than PJ makes in a year.
PSU fans claim he wouldn’t have cracked the lineup in Happy Valley. And most people thought he was going to Oklahoma State. What’s the connection between him and Spencer Lee?
Bassett is from Pennsylvania where Lee is also from, so he looked up to Lee since he was a 3 time high school state champion there. PSU fans would have gladly taken Bassett into their room. Iowa is setting up to land three of the top talents in the 2026 class which hail from Pennsylvania. I am with the people who thought that he was going to Okie State since David Taylor, former Penn State standout, is working to resurrect that program.
Don't get me wrong I am happy he is coming to Iowa but the price makes my skin crawl because I don't want to buy a team to top Penn State...not that they aren't buying their team.
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Will Iowa wrestling even see $1m in revenue from this kid, let alone $5m.
Keep your stick on the ice...
NIL is not about making revenue any longer. It’s about people with large sums of money looking to spend it on hobbies and things they’re passionate about. Someone worth an egregious sum of money can now try but their favorite teams National titles and do so within the rules
Iowa might need a couple more Bo Bassetts to compete with PSU. Penn St absolutely throttled them Friday night.
I don’t follow wrestling at all. Did this kid go to Iowa because they are paying him the most? And when Iowa isn’t winning what’s the likelihood he jumps ship to somewhere else willing to pay him more?
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Great questions:
- Can Iowa's collective bring in that kind of money for this kid...probably. I imagine that there are bigger wrestling donors than men's BB donors at Iowa and right now it is an arms race with PSU.
- You are correct @Goldy77 Iowa will need plenty of Bassett's to compete with PSU. Iowa has had a few but not a complete lineup to win a dual, win the B1G tournament, or NCAA tournament recently.
- I would imagine that NIL played into Bassett's decision but also Spencer Lee did have some influence from what is being said. So far in college wrestling there hasn't been the team jumping that other sports are seeing, at least with starters. So as long as Iowa doesn't recruit another wrestler to compete head to head with Bassett in the wrestling room he should stay around. A for instance Iowa currently have two wrestlers at 184 who are very good. Friday night versus PSU Brands started Angelo Ferrari over Gabe Arnold versus the #1 wrestler at that weight. Arnold is currently ranked #6 and has started about 75% of the time for Iowa at that weight. So talk has started about if Iowa will be able to keep both wrestlers in the room next year if neither of them move up in weight.
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Great questions:
- Can Iowa's collective bring in that kind of money for this kid...probably. I imagine that there are bigger wrestling donors than men's BB donors at Iowa and right now it is an arms race with PSU.
- You are correct @Goldy77 Iowa will need plenty of Bassett's to compete with PSU. Iowa has had a few but not a complete lineup to win a dual, win the B1G tournament, or NCAA tournament recently.
- I would imagine that NIL played into Bassett's decision but also Spencer Lee did have some influence from what is being said. So far in college wrestling there hasn't been the team jumping that other sports are seeing, at least with starters. So as long as Iowa doesn't recruit another wrestler to compete head to head with Bassett in the wrestling room he should stay around. A for instance Iowa currently have two wrestlers at 184 who are very good. Friday night versus PSU Brands started Angelo Ferrari over Gabe Arnold versus the #1 wrestler at that weight. Arnold is currently ranked #6 and has started about 75% of the time for Iowa at that weight. So talk has started about if Iowa will be able to keep both wrestlers in the room next year if neither of them move up in weight.
All of this points to the utter absurdity the concept of NIL claims are. It was claimed that colleges were taking advantage of these kids because the branding/marketing value was being hogged by the colleges. A payment to a college wrestler, or any non-revenue sports, are not linked to any value the athlete has as a 'name'. It is just boosterism. It is making what was against the rules legal.
The fact is, even with the major revenue sports, the vast bulk of the brand value is due to the college, not the athlete. If you took the players on the Gopher's basketball team and put them on a "professional" basketball team (essentially a non-existent low level minor league team) what would their attendance be? What would the sales of their radio/tv broadcasting rights earn? Would the head coach of that team earn more than $2 million a year? The fact is, no one would care and their coach wouldn't earn minimum wage. People watch the Minnesota Gopher basketball team because it is teh Minnesota Gopher basketball team. Not because ot its individuals.
Just saw Snuggy doing a commercial for ch5 weather.
Great questions:
- Can Iowa's collective bring in that kind of money for this kid...probably. I imagine that there are bigger wrestling donors than men's BB donors at Iowa and right now it is an arms race with PSU.
- You are correct @Goldy77 Iowa will need plenty of Bassett's to compete with PSU. Iowa has had a few but not a complete lineup to win a dual, win the B1G tournament, or NCAA tournament recently.
- I would imagine that NIL played into Bassett's decision but also Spencer Lee did have some influence from what is being said. So far in college wrestling there hasn't been the team jumping that other sports are seeing, at least with starters. So as long as Iowa doesn't recruit another wrestler to compete head to head with Bassett in the wrestling room he should stay around. A for instance Iowa currently have two wrestlers at 184 who are very good. Friday night versus PSU Brands started Angelo Ferrari over Gabe Arnold versus the #1 wrestler at that weight. Arnold is currently ranked #6 and has started about 75% of the time for Iowa at that weight. So talk has started about if Iowa will be able to keep both wrestlers in the room next year if neither of them move up in weight.
All of this points to the utter absurdity the concept of NIL claims are. It was claimed that colleges were taking advantage of these kids because the branding/marketing value was being hogged by the colleges. A payment to a college wrestler, or any non-revenue sports, are not linked to any value the athlete has as a 'name'. It is just boosterism. It is making what was against the rules legal.
The fact is, even with the major revenue sports, the vast bulk of the brand value is due to the college, not the athlete. If you took the players on the Gopher's basketball team and put them on a "professional" basketball team (essentially a non-existent low level minor league team) what would their attendance be? What would the sales of their radio/tv broadcasting rights earn? Would the head coach of that team earn more than $2 million a year? The fact is, no one would care and their coach wouldn't earn minimum wage. People watch the Minnesota Gopher basketball team because it is teh Minnesota Gopher basketball team. Not because ot its individuals.
You would have a point if the rules weren't Draconian about how players could earn money. NIL became a thing because players couldn't even sell an autograph or a picture and make some cash...meanwhile schools could use them for marketing and merch at their whim. It was a joke.
And also, the value of the team only matters as much as the fans who are interested and that is often based on success. You mention Gopher Basketball...well how many people are tuning into watch when they suck? (Not many) How many are buying tickets? (Even less) How about when hockey was in its dark times? Quality athletes make the teams interesting and worth the time/money. Pretending only the team name is why people care is naive and flat out wrong. Look at Colorado Football...no one cared in the last decade because they stink...Deion shows up and brings in better players and they sell more tickets, they are covered more on ESPN, they get better game slots and all of a sudden they are alive again.
The way NIL has been abused is ridiculous and has ruined college sports...but the original intent was good. If a hockey player can sell a game worn jersey for $100 they should be able to. To deny them that is disgusting.
I came across this site. Interesting if this is true how the payment breakdown works.
I came across this site. Interesting if this is true how the payment breakdown works.
Seems to be a good high level summary from my understanding. It also doesn't take into account current operating costs of the entities. Since most athletic departments operate at a loss which must be made up from the institution-- where are these monies coming from in earnest?
North Dakota appears to have 95% of its revenues going to pay men from men's sports. That is a Title IX lawsuit waiting to happen.
I came across this site. Interesting if this is true how the payment breakdown works.
Seems to be a good high level summary from my understanding. It also doesn't take into account current operating costs of the entities. Since most athletic departments operate at a loss which must be made up from the institution-- where are these monies coming from in earnest?
North Dakota appears to have 95% of its revenues going to pay men from men's sports. That is a Title IX lawsuit waiting to happen.
I believe that's part of the reason they opted out of the settlement.
I came across this site. Interesting if this is true how the payment breakdown works.
Seems to be a good high level summary from my understanding. It also doesn't take into account current operating costs of the entities. Since most athletic departments operate at a loss which must be made up from the institution-- where are these monies coming from in earnest?
North Dakota appears to have 95% of its revenues going to pay men from men's sports. That is a Title IX lawsuit waiting to happen.
I believe that's part of the reason they opted out of the settlement.
If you opt out of the settlement, you are only permitted to have 18 scholarships and only full cost of attendance stipends. In other words, you operate like you do now.
I think some schools are on record saying they will make it up with NIL monies. But keep in mind 1.) NIL $ is taxable (versus scholarship or monies from schools, which is NOT), and 2.) foreign players cannot earn money while students at schools (their visas won't permit them to do so), and 3.) the NIL deals are still subject to the clearinghouse who will audit them for market value.
So the players still have to earn their NIL monies for real work and they cannot funnel it for work in the US to Canadian (or former Major Junior players). And the players will have higher tax bills than their B1G counterparts as well.
Keep in mind there is still an open court case involving Oregon to determine whether NIL monies are subject to Title IX scrutiny. If the Court there rules NIL is subject to Title IX, then UND will need to find commensurate NIL monies to fund women's opportunities as well.
I wish all the wild speculation about how much student athletes are being paid by NIL at colleges would stop. Yesterday that was the default reason on twitterville why players were hitting the portal. One example is Adam Eisele here in Mankato. Some fans were loosing their minds that he is leaving and wildly speculate he is getting larger NIL elsewhere. Truth is he barely participated with the local NIL to earn any money. You know...you have to do something to earn something.
The other wild examples from this past weekend is look up what is going on in D1 wrestling. There is speculation that Iowa dropped $300k each on a couple transfers. Rumors of Penn State throwing down close to a $1M on a wrestler. I find it wildly outrageous that a NIL collective would drop that much money on a sport whose annual budget is only around $1.5M!
Another example is the speculation that Snuggy was paid $80k to come back to play this past season. Did he really? What did he do to earn that NIL money? I know we will never really know what these athletes are really getting paid because this is all private income. It would be like your local Cub Foods publishing what every cashier was being paid, it won't happen because that is private information.
I'll end my rant now...I just wish the wild speculation would stop.
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I wish all the wild speculation about how much student athletes are being paid by NIL at colleges would stop. Yesterday that was the default reason on twitterville why players were hitting the portal. One example is Adam Eisele here in Mankato. Some fans were loosing their minds that he is leaving and wildly speculate he is getting larger NIL elsewhere. Truth is he barely participated with the local NIL to earn any money. You know...you have to do something to earn something.
The other wild examples from this past weekend is look up what is going on in D1 wrestling. There is speculation that Iowa dropped $300k each on a couple transfers. Rumors of Penn State throwing down close to a $1M on a wrestler. I find it wildly outrageous that a NIL collective would drop that much money on a sport whose annual budget is only around $1.5M!
Another example is the speculation that Snuggy was paid $80k to come back to play this past season. Did he really? What did he do to earn that NIL money? I know we will never really know what these athletes are really getting paid because this is all private income. It would be like your local Cub Foods publishing what every cashier was being paid, it won't happen because that is private information.
I'll end my rant now...I just wish the wild speculation would stop.
The House settlement creates a clearinghouse for all NIL deals going forward to ensure they are commercially appropriate. That will confirm whether or not athletes are actually doing work for an NIL arrangement or whether it is a masked pay-for-play.
This should (in theory) prevent abuse of NIL in these ways.
Now, under the same settlement, Iowa (and other B1G schools) may allocate some of their $21M to spend on direct athlete compensation to wrestlers. But UMN is only supporting Football, M/W Basketball, M Hockey, and Volleyball in its compensation, so I would be surprised if Iowa was going to do the same for wrestling, but it is possible- though $1M at PSU would be A LOT for a wrestler.
Again, NIL could go above and beyond this-- but it must be commercially appropriate, and thus would take some serious work by the athlete to substantiate.
Again, NIL could go above and beyond this-- but it must be commercially appropriate, and thus would take some serious work by the athlete to substantiate.
And from my 10,000 foot view I don't see any athlete putting enough time or effort into something outside of their sport because 1. the lack of free time because of the amount of time necessary to put towards excelling at their chosen sport 2. their too damn lazy and just want the most money for the least amount of time/effort IMO.
I've mentioned this here before but my boss is on the board for the Line Change Collective here in Mankato so he has shared some of the behind the scenes things to help me understand how NIL works. The goal for most D1 hockey schools is to make up money for partial scholarships to full. Now it still means that the athlete has to put in the work to get that money.
I will be interested to watch and hear what levels will be considered "commercially appropriate".
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Again, NIL could go above and beyond this-- but it must be commercially appropriate, and thus would take some serious work by the athlete to substantiate.
And from my 10,000 foot view I don't see any athlete putting enough time or effort into something outside of their sport because 1. the lack of free time because of the amount of time necessary to put towards excelling at their chosen sport 2. their too damn lazy and just want the most money for the least amount of time/effort IMO.
I've mentioned this here before but my boss is on the board for the Line Change Collective here in Mankato so he has shared some of the behind the scenes things to help me understand how NIL works. The goal for most D1 hockey schools is to make up money for partial scholarships to full. Now it still means that the athlete has to put in the work to get that money.
I will be interested to watch and hear what levels will be considered "commercially appropriate".
its the joy of the multifaceted ways to cut it now. How much is an instagram post from Jimmy worth? how do you make up a difference based on number of followers or impressions they give? especially in the era where kids now know what livvy dunne has had for breakfast this morning and will go and buy the product if she says to there's just no way to quantify it accurately
think that this originally came out people were thinking it would let athletes do ads for mom and pops in town or autograph sessions and make money but its morphed into a way to let athletes drive fast cars, tweet some shit or say hi on instagram, and let a company use their photo from some stuff (I guess Jimmy did some ads for KARE 11 and we have some Gopher hockey guys on billboards around town and out football players out of town). There's just not going to be a great way to look at every single deal for commercial appropriateness or how you will argue it in court. It is part of why I think the U is behind on this as they seem to want to do it all by the book where others are pushing the boundaries, knowing there is no way the NCAA is going to slap them with anything meaningful.
Tons of steam out there on Perron and Boisvert for UND both being bought (and why they're listed as do not contact) for around 90-100k.
Again, NIL could go above and beyond this-- but it must be commercially appropriate, and thus would take some serious work by the athlete to substantiate.
And from my 10,000 foot view I don't see any athlete putting enough time or effort into something outside of their sport because 1. the lack of free time because of the amount of time necessary to put towards excelling at their chosen sport 2. their too damn lazy and just want the most money for the least amount of time/effort IMO.
I've mentioned this here before but my boss is on the board for the Line Change Collective here in Mankato so he has shared some of the behind the scenes things to help me understand how NIL works. The goal for most D1 hockey schools is to make up money for partial scholarships to full. Now it still means that the athlete has to put in the work to get that money.
I will be interested to watch and hear what levels will be considered "commercially appropriate".
its the joy of the multifaceted ways to cut it now. How much is an instagram post from Jimmy worth? how do you make up a difference based on number of followers or impressions they give? especially in the era where kids now know what livvy dunne has had for breakfast this morning and will go and buy the product if she says to there's just no way to quantify it accurately
think that this originally came out people were thinking it would let athletes do ads for mom and pops in town or autograph sessions and make money but its morphed into a way to let athletes drive fast cars, tweet some shit or say hi on instagram, and let a company use their photo from some stuff (I guess Jimmy did some ads for KARE 11 and we have some Gopher hockey guys on billboards around town and out football players out of town). There's just not going to be a great way to look at every single deal for commercial appropriateness or how you will argue it in court. It is part of why I think the U is behind on this as they seem to want to do it all by the book where others are pushing the boundaries, knowing there is no way the NCAA is going to slap them with anything meaningful.
Tons of steam out there on Perron and Boisvert for UND both being bought (and why they're listed as do not contact) for around 90-100k.
With the B1G paying players directly on salary, it's going to avoid a lot of the unpleasantness that others will have with NIL. B1G schools will have all 26 players on full scholarship AND be able to pay them a salary on top of that AND engage directly in NIL with them.
But for other schools who are not opting in, you will have 18 scholarships for men's hockey and cannot pay a salary, so you would need NIL to float the difference. Keep in mind, however, that foreign players cannot get paid for NIL (which could impact players from the CHL and where they go) and the NIL deals still have to pass Deloitte's muster as the clearinghouse as legitimate compensation.
For a school like St. Thomas joining the NaCHo, figure an 8 scholarship differential of $50k per just to match what the B1G can do to fund the scholarships, plus any NIL over top of that to match salary components that B1G schools will do. You're talking about needing around $1M-2M annually just to even with the B1G on top of the current needs to fund operations.
I don't know that UND/UMD/SCSU/MSUM can do that, much less UST.
I've seen Snuggy on ch5 many times doing ads for KSTP Weather.
Another example is the speculation that Snuggy was paid $80k to come back to play this past season. Did he really? What did he do to earn that NIL money? I know we will never really know what these athletes are really getting paid because this is all private income. It would be like your local Cub Foods publishing what every cashier was being paid, it won't happen because that is private information.
I'll end my rant now...I just wish the wild speculation would stop.
Ausmus does have some college hockey connections but this seems like a crazy #
My apologies, I saw this and couldn't resist...
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https://twitter.com/UNDmhockey/status/1909605059609981162?t=zePrVwpfHY3HnqEwag0X0w&s=19
UND officially hires a GM for hockey. Wonder if gophers have any plans on that front...
Brad Schlossman was on Ben Holden's "Nothing But Hockey" podcast last week he laid this GM position all out. I imagine most of the bigger programs will end up this position especially the ones who end up opting into the NCAA settlement. Schools like Minnesota State who don't opt in I imagine they will continue to march forward as is.
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I wish all the wild speculation about how much student athletes are being paid by NIL at colleges would stop. Yesterday that was the default reason on twitterville why players were hitting the portal. One example is Adam Eisele here in Mankato. Some fans were loosing their minds that he is leaving and wildly speculate he is getting larger NIL elsewhere. Truth is he barely participated with the local NIL to earn any money. You know...you have to do something to earn something.
The other wild examples from this past weekend is look up what is going on in D1 wrestling. There is speculation that Iowa dropped $300k each on a couple transfers. Rumors of Penn State throwing down close to a $1M on a wrestler. I find it wildly outrageous that a NIL collective would drop that much money on a sport whose annual budget is only around $1.5M!
Another example is the speculation that Snuggy was paid $80k to come back to play this past season. Did he really? What did he do to earn that NIL money? I know we will never really know what these athletes are really getting paid because this is all private income. It would be like your local Cub Foods publishing what every cashier was being paid, it won't happen because that is private information.
I'll end my rant now...I just wish the wild speculation would stop.
The House settlement creates a clearinghouse for all NIL deals going forward to ensure they are commercially appropriate. That will confirm whether or not athletes are actually doing work for an NIL arrangement or whether it is a masked pay-for-play.
This should (in theory) prevent abuse of NIL in these ways.
Now, under the same settlement, Iowa (and other B1G schools) may allocate some of their $21M to spend on direct athlete compensation to wrestlers. But UMN is only supporting Football, M/W Basketball, M Hockey, and Volleyball in its compensation, so I would be surprised if Iowa was going to do the same for wrestling, but it is possible- though $1M at PSU would be A LOT for a wrestler.
Again, NIL could go above and beyond this-- but it must be commercially appropriate, and thus would take some serious work by the athlete to substantiate.
NIL does go above and beyond this, and requires almost nothing in return. Collectives have made the NIL deal a joke because they almost never require anything of the athlete but pay them anyways. Not one Gopher that made money through Dinkytown Athletes did anything close to enough "work" to justify the number outside of pimping Dinkytown Athletes. (and at Blue Bloods it is 100 times worse)
That is where the NCAA failed when they didn't get ahead of this. They basically legalized the under the table dealings that had been going on for decades. One of the reasons for not letting players work was places like A&M or Ohio State would just get allies of the school to give athletes no show jobs and pay them 6 figures. Now everyone does that only the money doesn't come from say Big Jim's Chevy, it comes from us giving our money to a third party and them paying it out.
Now hockey is different because of the nature of the sport (being niche at best) but it is still there. Sure at Minnesota State they may require the athletes to put in the time but I doubt at Michigan or Minnesota they do because they don't have to. For smaller schools its a zero sum game...they have a fixed amount so they need to make sure they get the most bang for their buck both on and off the ice. Elite teams can throw their weight around more, and can eat the mistakes easier because interest is higher which leads to "donations". The divide between the haves and the have nots is going to get bigger and will resemble basketball with mid-majors. Sooner or later it is going to be too much for some schools to take.
As for your comment earlier on Title IX...well lets just say I dont see that being a problem currently. Maybe in a few years if we are lucky. (best to discuss reasoning elsewhere) It will be interesting to see if UND is able to find a way to get more money to its NIL. I have my doubts...
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