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ADMIN: This is a new thread containing the last year + of the old thread.[media]https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1349464741882814466 [/media] January 13, 2021 at 9:45 pm #174324Bertogliat
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January 13, 2021 at 10:27 pm #174325frozen4champs
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::Bertogliat wrote:
Could he have written that tweet any worse?
I had to read it a couple of times. But it is a Hershel Walker like trade. 4 first round picks and 4 first round “swaps” and players. Not sure what that means, but guessing it gives Houston the choice to swap picks if they choose?
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::frozen4champs wrote:
Bertogliat wrote:
Could he have written that tweet any worse?
I had to read it a couple of times. But it is a Hershel Walker like trade. 4 first round picks and 4 first round “swaps” and players. Not sure what that means, but guessing it gives Houston the choice to swap picks if they choose?
Correct. The NBA prohibits teams from trading first round picks in back to back seasons. So they trade every other year and then “swap picks” if the Nets were to finish below the Rockets (have a higher pick) in the other seasons.
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::Bladepuller wrote:
I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I’ll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now
I was a huge NBA fan back in the 80’s. Dr. J’s 76ers were my favorite team.
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::Zwak wrote:
Bladepuller wrote:
I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I’ll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now
I was a huge NBA fan back in the 80’s. Dr. J’s 76ers were my favorite team.
I lost 95% of my interest about the time Kobe started taking over the league. And although hockey was by far the #1 sport in our house, we definitely were fans of the NBA in the 70’s, 80’s and early 90’s, and before the Wolves came along I was a huge Celtics fan because of McHale.
February 12, 2021 at 12:40 pm #174359gopher6
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::Bladepuller wrote:
I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I’ll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now
NBA = Nothing but attitude, I can not watch
February 12, 2021 at 4:35 pm #174360Chris83
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::Regarding the Wolves I’ve said this before, but my opinion is that as long as Taylor owns the team the toxicity will continue. The franchise needs a new vision and fresh reboot. Do a clean, complete break from the past. Flip will always have a place in my heart as a Gopher. My HS friends and I were at every home game for the ’76-’77 squad, with Flip, Mychal Thompson, McHale, Ray Williams, sitting in the general admission rafters at the Barn. Absolutely incredible season, even though it was later “erased”. And his years as the Wolves’ coach produced the high points for the franchise. But Flip is gone and Ryan Saunders needs to go. If he wasn’t Flip’s son he wouldn’t be the head coach…period. As for the NBA in general, I have tended to watch once the playoffs start. However, my interest has diminished the past few years with the emergence of the “All-Star Team” era. I don’t begrudge the players arranging these mega-squads, I just have little desire to watch it.
February 12, 2021 at 6:58 pm #174361Don Adam’s Wheel of Justice
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::Agreed on Taylor. The best thing for the T-wolves would be for Taylor to sell the team to a well known, young, minority owner who the players can relate to and who can recruit players to Minnesota. I have no idea who that person is but it would represent a 180 degree change for this franchise. February 12, 2021 at 8:34 pm #174362Master_Shake
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::Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
Agreed on Taylor. The best thing for the T-wolves would be for Taylor to sell the team to a well known, young, minority owner who the players can relate to and who can recruit players to Minnesota. I have no idea who that person is but it would represent a 180 degree change for this franchise.
LOL that person is KG
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::Master_Shake wrote:
Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
Agreed on Taylor. The best thing for the T-wolves would be for Taylor to sell the team to a well known, young, minority owner who the players can relate to and who can recruit players to Minnesota. I have no idea who that person is but it would represent a 180 degree change for this franchise.
LOL that person is KG
Anyone check the weather this week? It doesn’t matter who owns the club, who coaches the club, or who plays on the club, in today’s NBA, you need to get the superstar free agent. It has never happened here and it never will.
February 13, 2021 at 3:10 am #174365Bladepuller
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::Sioux/Bucky Hater wrote:
Master_Shake wrote:
Don Adams Wheel of Justice wrote:
Agreed on Taylor. The best thing for the T-wolves would be for Taylor to sell the team to a well known, young, minority owner who the players can relate to and who can recruit players to Minnesota. I have no idea who that person is but it would represent a 180 degree change for this franchise.
LOL that person is KG
Anyone check the weather this week? It doesn’t matter who owns the club, who coaches the club, or who plays on the club, in today’s NBA, you need to get the superstar free agent. It has never happened here and it never will.
There you go. Letting facts get in the way. It was -27 up in our favorite neighborhood Thur. AM.Not there now so it is a balmy -15.
February 13, 2021 at 3:14 am #174366SiouxBucky Hater
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::Slap Shot wrote:
Zwak wrote:
Bladepuller wrote:
I lost all interest in the NBA the way players are the personnel managers.I used to go to a lot (like all) of my grandkids games from travel thru HS but I have no interest at all in the NBA.
NCAA I’ll sometimes watch. Watching Gophers / Purdue right now
I was a huge NBA fan back in the 80’s. Dr. J’s 76ers were my favorite team.
I lost 95% of my interest about the time Kobe started taking over the league. And although hockey was by far the #1 sport in our house, we definitely were fans of the NBA in the 70’s, 80’s and early 90’s, and before the Wolves came along I was a huge Celtics fan because of McHale.
I hear ya Blade. I would much rather watch kids play for the love of the game than some prima donna for money. Happy, and somewhat surprised that the Gophers held on last night.You mean Moses Malone’s sixers. He was unreal and while not the face of that franchise, can be argued as having a bigger impact. The doc was amazing and had some serious fro!
I was a HUGE NBA fan in the 80’s and 90’s. I watched and attended countless games (the best being at Chicago Stadium). While my dad was a Celtics fan, I was a believer that the kid from UNC was gonna turn his franchise around. It took a while, but boy did he ever. After his 1st retirement (suspension) I lost some interest and his 2nd may have well ended it. And if it didn’t, the 2004 Western Conference Finals sure did.
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::Sioux/Bucky Hater wrote:
Anyone check the weather this week? It doesn’t matter who owns the club, who coaches the club, or who plays on the club, in today’s NBA, you need to get the superstar free agent. It has never happened here and it never will.
A guy that played for the Wolves two years ago carried his team to the Finals last season.
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::Maize wrote:
Whioux/Bucky Hater wrote:
Anyone check the weather this week? It doesn’t matter who owns the club, who coaches the club, or who plays on the club, in today’s NBA, you need to get the superstar free agent. It has never happened here and it never will.
A guy that played for the Wolves two years ago carried his team to the Finals last season.
I stand corrected. The Wolves got a really good player to come here and play really hard for a little while.February 13, 2021 at 2:07 pm #174369Bladepuller
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::Bladepuller wrote:
I had no idea who Jimmy Buckets and Thibs were until the were here.That bit that Thibs ran had a limited shelf life & Jimmy’s is the same. The thing is I like Jimmy’s game, I’m just not sure he is as good of a teammate as HE believes he is.
You put it much better than I did.
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10th coach in 15 years. Again, Taylor is the chaotic constant.
That is just an amazing stat. A new coach basically every 1.5 years.
Dumb question, what is it that Taylor does/doesn’t do that causes this to happen?
In short, the people he hires to manage are freaking terrible. He seems to think he knows more than the people he hires to know things. Think Jerry Jones’ dumber brother.
Going back to Kevin Love, he refused to give him a 5 year max, gave him a 3-year opt out, and then ripped Kevin Love for his performances.
The team was 20-20 under Dwane Casey in 2006-2007 (Casey’s second season), a roster featuring a 30 year old KG, and basketball luminaries like Ricky Davis, Randy Foye, Marko Jaric, and Rashad McCants. Taylor fired Dwane Casey with a record at .500, and replaced him with Randy Wittman who led the team to a 12-30 record the rest of the way. Casey took over Toronto a few years later and in two seasons turned them from a 22-60 record the year before he got hired into a top contender in the East, including winning their division and being a top playoff seed five years in a row.
Hell, going back to the decision to fire Flip back in 2004, right after the only time the team had won a single playoff series (losing in the conference finals), because the team got off to a slow start.
Then the failed hiring of Kahn (really the franchise-changer), allowing McHale too much leash (hiring and firing like 3 coaches in 5 years after Flip)…
There’s been one common denominator with all the terrible decisions this franchise has made. His name is Glen Taylor.
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::Beauner wrote:
Zwak wrote:
Chris83 wrote:
10th coach in 15 years. Again, Taylor is the chaotic constant.
That is just an amazing stat. A new coach basically every 1.5 years.
Dumb question, what is it that Taylor does/doesn’t do that causes this to happen?
In short, the people he hires to manage are freaking terrible. He seems to think he knows more than the people he hires to know things. Think Jerry Jones’ dumber brother.
Going back to Kevin Love, he refused to give him a 5 year max, gave him a 3-year opt out, and then ripped Kevin Love for his performances.
The team was 20-20 under Dwane Casey in 2006-2007 (Casey’s second season), a roster featuring a 30 year old KG, and basketball luminaries like Ricky Davis, Randy Foye, Marko Jaric, and Rashad McCants. Taylor fired Dwane Casey with a record at .500, and replaced him with Randy Wittman who led the team to a 12-30 record the rest of the way. Casey took over Toronto a few years later and in two seasons turned them from a 22-60 record the year before he got hired into a top contender in the East, including winning their division and being a top playoff seed five years in a row.
Hell, going back to the decision to fire Flip back in 2004, right after the only time the team had won a single playoff series (losing in the conference finals), because the team got off to a slow start.
Then the failed hiring of Kahn (really the franchise-changer), allowing McHale too much leash (hiring and firing like 3 coaches in 5 years after Flip)…
There’s been one common denominator with all the terrible decisions this franchise has made. His name is Glen Taylor.
I’m not a great NBA mind nor an NBA fan. Thanks for the great insights. I would agree that the David Kahn hiring may go down in history as one of the worst decisions in MN pro sports history.
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::Iceburg wrote:
davescharf wrote:
It’s hard to argue who was worse – David Kahn or Tim Brewster
Throw in Les Steckel and take suggestions as to who fills out the Mount Rushmore.
I’d add Norm Green.
Regarding the new coaching hire:
Positives: he’s had nothing to do with the Timberwolves organization. Until now.
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::Slap Shot wrote:
Iceburg wrote:
davescharf wrote:
It’s hard to argue who was worse – David Kahn or Tim Brewster
Throw in Les Steckel and take suggestions as to who fills out the Mount Rushmore.
I’d add Norm Green.
Regarding the new coaching hire:
Positives: he’s had nothing to do with the Timberwolves organization. Until now.
:oops:
He supposedly had interviewed for the job when it was open before and given to Saunders (I have a suspicion that Taylor weighed in heavily in that decision too, given his relationship with the Saunders family).
I do think Ryan has the ability to be a very good coach. Unfortunately with Towns and/or Russell being hurt basically the entire time they’ve been on the same team, we never got to see what the team would look like with him at the helm and those two with Beasley and Anthony Edwards playing. I heard today that KAT and DLo have played only 5 games together since the trade acquisition for DLo. That’s kinda insane.
Wouldn’t shock me if Ryan tries his hand as a college coach, TBH.
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::Here is the list of coaches in Wolves history… Ryan Saunders winning% is in the middle of the pack :shock: 1 Bill Musselman 1989–1991 164 51-113 .311
2 Jimmy Rodgers 1991–1993 111 21-90 .189
3 Sidney Lowe 1993–1994 135 33-102 .244
4 Bill Blair 1994–1995 102 27-75 .265
5 Flip Saunders 1995–2005 737 411-326 .558 2003–04 Midwest Division championship
6 Kevin McHale 2005 31 19-12 .613
7 Dwane Casey 2005–2007 122 53-69 .434
8 Randy Wittman 2007–2008 143 38-105 .266
— Kevin McHale 2008–2009 63 20-43 .317
9 Kurt Rambis 2009–2011 164 32-132 .195
10 Rick Adelman 2011–2014 230 97-133 .422
- Flip Saunders 2014–2015 82 16-66 .195
11 Sam Mitchell 2015–2016 82 29-53 .354
12 Tom Thibodeau 2016–2019 204 97-107 .475
13 Ryan Saunders 2019–2021 106 36-70 .340
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