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    Is somebody going to trade back into the 1st round to take Malik Wills? The playoff teams at this part of the 1st round don’t need a QB. Would the Vikings take him with pick #32 or #34 if he is still available?

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    …and the Packers take a LB. Ha!

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    Is somebody going to trade back into the 1st round to take Malik Wills? The playoff teams at this part of the 1st round don’t need a QB. Would the Vikings take him with pick #32 or #34 if he is still available?

     

    I personally think Desmond Ridder is the best QB in this draft so the Vikings have a lot of capital to move around right now and take a QB if there’s someone they like.

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    The vikings should not take a QB at 32 or 34.

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    Since we are picking last in the 1st round that means we won the Super Bowl.

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    and the Ravens make another great pick in Linderbaum.

     

    Another player I would love to see the Vikings get.

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    Since we are picking last in the 1st round that means we won the Super Bowl.

     

    Hang the banner, baby

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    You gotta hand it to the Jets, they killed it in the first round with 3 VERY impactful players

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    Oh man, the Packers just aren’t gonna let Aaron Rodgers have a first round weapon

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    Never ceases to amaze me how the NFL measures players value based on hand size, arm strength and arm length. Will they never learn about guys like Tom Brady and Joe Montana, even Terrell Davis. Matt Birk was a 6th round pick. Aren’t guys paid to be scouts?

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    Never ceases to amaze me how the NFL measures players value based on hand size, arm strength and arm length. Will they never learn about guys like Tom Brady and Joe Montana, even Terrell Davis. Matt Birk was a 6th round pick. Aren’t guys paid to be scouts?

     

    All sports forget about the GRIT Factor in analytics. ;)

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    Vikes draft a safety?  Didn’t go with biggest need or best available?

    interesting choice….

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    We could have had safety Kyle Hamilton at 12 (he ended up getting picked by Baltimore at 14). Hopefully our new safety does just as well or better.

     

     

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    Vikings are going nowhere. Wild are the only ones that deserve attention and hard earned bucks.

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    What a smug asshole

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    Vikes draft a safety? Didn’t go with biggest need or best available? interesting choice….

    Great pick for me. Part of the defensive issues are at safety no matter how much everyone loves Harrison Smith. He’s on the downside of his career and saved his contract by playing well in the second half of last season. This should be a wake up call for the whole roster, good GMs look ahead to replace under performing players with big contracts a year ahead to work the cap with players already on the team.

    I look for our new guy to target CB early  but also interior OL.

    With the new D scheme I’m thinking they take Dean from GA at 34.

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    Vikings are going nowhere. Wild are the only ones that deserve attention and hard earned bucks.

     

    How many sports do you think you’re the smartest guy in the room about?

    The sweet spot for the draft is from #20-40 for value players and good contracts. Look back at the Patriots in the last 20 years.

    Also AZ trading a first rounder for Hollywood Brown is an obvious move to apprease Murray, not gonna work out.

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    Look back at the Patriots in the last 20 years.

    Tom Brady vs. Kirk Cousins

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    Change your name to something that makes it clear you’re a moron. Don’t make people read your posts to learn that.

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    Y’all know you can scroll past and not respond, right? Just asking…

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    Look back at the Patriots in the last 20 years.

    Tom Brady vs. Kirk Cousins

     

    i mean…realistically, those are both low round QBs who made a shitload of money so what’s your point?

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    <span class=”draftcast__playerName draftcast__playerName–long”>Lewis Cine</span>
    <span class=”draftcast__player__metric”>6’2″</span><span class=”draftcast__player__metric draftcast__player__metric–weight”>199 lbs</span><span class=”draftcast__player__metric draftcast__player__metric–school”><span class=”draftcast__school__name”>Georgia</span></span>
    <span class=”draftcast__player__int”>3</span><span class=”draftcast__player__desc”>POS RK</span>
    <span class=”draftcast__player__int”>41</span><span class=”draftcast__player__desc”>OVR RK</span>
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    <h1 class=”contentItem__title contentItem__title–media”>Lewis Cine’s NFL draft profile</h1>
    <p class=”contentItem__subhead contentItem__subhead–hero”>Check out the best highlights from Georgia’s impressive safety Lewis Cine.</p>

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    <h2>Pre-Draft Analysis</h2>
    Cine is at his best playing center field in singe-high looks thanks to his excellent instincts, long arms and outstanding top-end speed. He’s not as effective matching up in man coverage. He picked off just one pass over the past two seasons. Cine fills the alley quickly and rarely misses a tackle in run support. <i>– Steve Muench</i>
    <h2>Post-Draft Analysis</h2>
    The Vikings will eventually have to replace Harrison Smith as the key in the secondary. Now they have their prototypical safety replacement who is made for today’s game with a versatile skill set that allows him to play either free or strong alignment. Cine is fast, instinctive, and a big-time hitter. <i>– Miller</i>

    <b>Projected Year 1 impact:</b> Day 1 starter. Cine should step into the starting spot opposite Harrison Smith with Xavier Woods signing with Carolina. <i>– Muench</i>

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    Y’all know you can scroll past and not respond, right? Just asking…

    is there no longer an ignore feature with WordPress?

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    Never ceases to amaze me how the NFL measures players value based on hand size, arm strength and arm length. Will they never learn about guys like Tom Brady and Joe Montana, even Terrell Davis. Matt Birk was a 6th round pick. Aren’t guys paid to be scouts?

    All sports forget about the GRIT Factor in analytics. ;)

     

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    If we take Nakobe Dean at 34, I will be pleased as punch. That guy is a beast.

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    If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

     

    “Those are things you’ve got to go back-and-forth with and think of in your mind. It’s not a simple math equation. I love these conversations now as a GM because I used to be one of the people building those charts, and I kind of laugh with people, ‘I don’t know. Let’s just talk about this and use those [charts] as a backboard, but let’s talk about this and kind of understand the dynamics that go forth.'”

     

     

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    My main problem is it seems like they should have received a lot more in return for a #12 overall pick than what they received. Especially when they are dropping back 20 spots. I don’t care about trading back if the return is really good.

    I don’t like this trade at all but I hope for the best on it.

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    I like what I heard from Lewis Cine during his appearance on 9-noon this morning. He sounds like a smart kid with a good attitude. All the draft experts last night seem to think he’s going to be a really good player.

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    Never ceases to amaze me how the NFL measures players value based on hand size, arm strength and arm length. Will they never learn about guys like Tom Brady and Joe Montana, even Terrell Davis. Matt Birk was a 6th round pick. Aren’t guys paid to be scouts?

    My head nearly exploded last night when someone on the ESPN panel was explaining how Kenny Pickett’s thumb somehow elongates when gripping a football but not when he places it on a flat surface.

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    The Vikings traded Pick#34 to the Packers.

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    The Vikings traded Pick#34 to the Packers.

    WTF…letting the Packers trade up to get THEIR WR. We better have got a HUGE HAUL to allow this to happen . KAM… we’re waiting☝️

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    So now the Vikings have two 2nd round picks (picks 21 & 27 in the round/53 & 59 overall) and two 3rd round picks (picks 2 & 13 in the round/66 & 77 overall)

     

    The Vikings must have a lot of guys projected for the last 2nd round/early 3rd round that they like. Time will tell how well this plays out but having 4 picks tonight clearly makes it fun/important.

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    The Vikings traded Pick#34 to the Packers.

    WTF…letting the Packers trade up to get THEIR WR. We better have got a HUGE HAUL to allow this to happen . KAM… we’re waiting☝️

     

    Them taking the NDSU Bison WR is interesting. A lot of people had George Pickens and Skky Moore ranked higher. The Packers where likely going to end up with one of these WR in the 2nd round even if the Vikings don’t trade with them.

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    Bold strategy Cotton

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    Safe to assume we trade with the Bears next?

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    What are they doing? Is KAM going to make me miss Spielman? I didn’t think that was possible.

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    Time will tell, but this makes you wonder if somebody needs to remind the new GM of what the draft is for.  Next, we’ll probably sign Colin Kapernick…….

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    Having 5 picks in the first 2.5 rounds could work out well. I am a firm believer that trading back isn’t all bad as long as you are staying in the first three rounds. Now if we start trading 2nd/3rd round picks for 4th/5th round pick I will likely not be a happy camper.

     

    Trading with the Packers doesn’t bother me. They had two 2nd round picks (now the Vikings have them) and two 3rd round picks so they were likely going to get one of the WRs projected to go in the second round regardless. They had the extra picks to get the guy they wanted in the 2nd round. Now will he end up better than George Pickens or Skyy Moore who most people had ranked as higher WRs than the Bison WR the Packers picked? Time will tell. The Packers traded up to pick a WR who was lower ranked by most people.

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    I don’t necessarily have any problem trading with your rivals, but when your the team that gives up the higher pick when on the clock…You better be CORRECT regarding the strategy you’re utilizing! Time will tell..,

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    The Vikings just trade up to Pick #42

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    And we take a DB from Clemson at 42 (after trading back up) a DB, what a shock! 🤣

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    With Pick #42 the Vikings select CB Andrew Booth Jr (Clemson)

     

     

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    ESPN had him as the 27 ranked player.

     
    <h2>Pre-Draft Analysis</h2>
    Booth is a sudden athlete with good body control and outstanding short-area burst. He’s a scheme versatile corner who was asked to play a lot of coverages at Clemson and held up well across the board. He has playmaker instincts and attacks the ball like a receiver. He’s a willing run defender who flies to the football. <i>– Steve Muench</i>
    <h2>Post-Draft Analysis</h2>
    Injuries in the pre-draft process pushed Booth down the board, but the Vikings get a potential steal here. Booth, if healthy, can push for a starting job in this secondary very early on. The Vikings have a chance to make up for some big misses at cornerback in the past with this selection. <i>– Matt Miller</i>

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    Someone make a before and after of the picks they have because it sure seems like the net result hasn’t been great

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    Someone make a before and after of the picks they have because it sure seems like the net result hasn’t been great

     

    Actually I disagree, I think the moves today have been really solid.

     

    MN gave: 34

    GB gave: 53 + 59

     

    MN gave: 53 + 77 + 192

    IND gave: 42 + 122

     

    So we gained 59 + 122, gave up 77 + 192, and got the guy we were targeting all along.

    Seems like some good maneuvering to me.

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    I am hoping for a pre draft to now before and after. Can’t just take today’s for the whole picture.

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    Here is the starting and current list of Vikings picks. I was having some troubles keeping track so I wanted to type it out to see how things have changed.

     

    Started with picks #12, #46, #77, 156, #184, #191, #192, #250

     

    Currently have picks #32, #42, #59, #66, #122, #156, #184, #191, #250

     

    The numbers is bold are the net changes with the trade last night and the two trades tonight.

     

    Moved down 20 picks in the 1st round (#12 to #32)

    Moved up 4 picks in the 2nd round (#46 to #42)

    Picked up an extra 2nd round pick (#59)

    Moved up 11 picks in the 3rd round (#77 to #66)

    Moved up 70 picks so two rounds (#192 to #122)

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    In a draft with not a lot of high end talent, I think that’s really solid. Got a free second round pick? I’ll take that all day!

     

    Not to mention some big jumps moving up in other rounds.

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    Someone make a before and after of the picks they have because it sure seems like the net result hasn’t been great

     

    So you don’t know what the picks are but still think the result wasn’t good….yep that seems about right.

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    In a draft with not a lot of high end talent, I think that’s really solid. Got a free second round pick? I’ll take that all day! Not to mention some big jumps moving up in other rounds.

     

    It wasn’t free.  They moved down 20 spots in the vary valuable 1st round.

     

    But I agree it’s an overall plus.

    I am told there is a lot more value in the 2-4 rounds due to players sticking around an extra year for COVID.

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    Needs at CB and G now addressed. 6 more picks and we’re up again.

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    Vikings take a LB but not Dean, his injury concerns must be significant

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    Georgia, Clemson, LSU, and Oklahoma so far. We just need to pick a Bama and Buckeye and we will have all the recent champions/top programs.

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    • Vikings take a LB but not Dean, his injury concerns must be significant

    Torn pec that will probably require surgery.

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    I think they’re going to regret not taking Willis, but I hope I am wrong on that.

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    #ADreamComeTrue

     

     

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    Only 1 Gophers player taken so far?

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    PA doing draft analysis from the hot tub.

     

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    The reason I’m not griping about trading back in round 1 is this: There were only about 9 “for sure” guys in the first round. They were all gone by pick 12 (Okonwu, Neal, Cross, Stingley, Gardner, Thibodeaux, Walker, Hutchinson, and Wilson). Even if you want to count London (I’m not a huge fan) and Olave (seemed like an overdraft, though he is a game-breaker).

    After that, the general consensus seemed to be that the next 30ish guys were all similar values. Take Hamilton and Cine, for example. Hamilton had a ton of pre-combine steam to the point people thought he could be a top 3 pick. Then he had some rougher numbers in combine testing. Meanwhile Cine had some insane testing numbers (4.37 40 chief among them). There was at least one writer from The Athletic (the name escapes me now, Dan something) who said he’d have taken Cine over Hamilton.  When Georgia, the nation’s best defense who had 5 first rounders, needed a play, they counted on Cine and Walker to make them.

     

    In a normal year when there are 5-6 first round caliber QBs, #12 overall holds a lot more value. This year’s draft had 1 first-round QB and he went at #20 (and some even think that was a reach, though I think it’s a good pick for the Steelers). In a year where there are 15 first round defensive players and 6 first round WRs, #12 held less value. They traded #12 and #46 for #32, #34, and #66, and then turned #34 into #42 and #59.

    In the process they filled three HUGE needs: a starting safety, a starting CB, and a starting RG. Then they got a very good pass coverage LB who can run and tackle in the open field as well as almost anyone in this class.

     

    Time will tell whether letting Detroit get their hands on Jameson Williams (worries me because he’s a stud but he still has Goff throwing) or the Packers get their hands on Christian Watson (worries me less, especially after Rodgers retires, especially considering he’s not exactly polished at this point) comes back to bite them in the ass.

    But so far I’ve been very pleased with the way Kwesi has handled the draft.

     

    I’m very intrigued to see what happens tomorrow. There are some quality players left on the board including a QB who would probably have been a lock for first round if he entered the draft in 2021 (Sam Howell). I wouldn’t hate that pick but they’ll probably have to move up from 122 to get him. If not, I’d love to see them get a guy like Kingsley Enagbare (DE) or Justyn Ross (WR). I also would be very OK if they get another CB.

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    Only 1 Gophers player taken so far?

    Correct. Mafe at 40 to Seattle. I’d expect to see Faalele go pretty early tomorrow (by the end of round 4). Otomewo and Andries probably have to wait until rounds 5-6.

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    I am not too worried about trading with Detroit to allow them to move up.  They need a lot of good players and trading multiple picks to move up will only hurt their depth.

     

    A team like the Packers is a different story .  They are already a strong team and don’t need to draft as many players to make them Elite.

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    Vikings move up to #118 to draft Akayleb Evans, 6’2″ 197lb cornerback. Played a ton of man coverage in college.

    Sounds like they traded #156 and a 4th rounder next year.

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    Only 1 Gophers player taken so far?

    Correct. Mafe at 40 to Seattle. I’d expect to see Faalele go pretty early tomorrow (by the end of round 4). Otomewo and Andries probably have to wait until rounds 5-6.

     

    Faalele goes to Baltimore at 110. Good call.

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    Vikes just took Otomewo

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    Vikings draft former Gopher Esezi Otomewo at pick #165

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    Only 1 Gophers player taken so far?

    Correct. Mafe at 40 to Seattle. I’d expect to see Faalele go pretty early tomorrow (by the end of round 4). Otomewo and Andries probably have to wait until rounds 5-6.

    Faalele goes to Baltimore at 110. Good call.

    This is a great fit for him. His biggest question mark was being able to stand up to speed rushers in a drop back pass setting. The Ravens don’t run a lot of true drop backs (because Lamar is an insane runner, obviously). He could thrive in that system as a mauling RT.

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    Vikings draft running back Ty Chandler from UNC at pick #169.

    Ran a 4.37 in the 40. Looks like a dynamic runner who also catches the ball well out of the backfield. Finished his college career with 421 rushes and 58 receptions across Tennessee and UNC (grad transfer).

    Todd McShay loved the pick. I didn’t watch basically any UNC football this season so I was stuck watching highlights but he definitely has some top end speed and looks like he can make the first cut and get up the field in a hurry.

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    Vikes just took Vederian Lowe. An offensive lineman from Illinois.

     

    I thought they needed to get help at tight end?

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    Have now added Sparty WR Jalen Nailor

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    They got a TE in Nick Muse out of South Carolina.

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    My main problem is it seems like they should have received a lot more in return for a #12 overall pick than what they received. Especially when they are dropping back 20 spots. I don’t care about trading back if the return is really good. I don’t like this trade at all but I hope for the best on it.

    Yep, I don’t mind the pick at all, but Kwesi got fleeced.

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    Vikes just took Vederian Lowe. An offensive lineman from Illinois.

    Probably destined to be the greatest local athlete named Vederian, unless that was Bronco Nagurski’s real name.

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    My main problem is it seems like they should have received a lot more in return for a #12 overall pick than what they received. Especially when they are dropping back 20 spots. I don’t care about trading back if the return is really good. I don’t like this trade at all but I hope for the best on it.

    Yep, I don’t mind the pick at all, but Kwesi got fleeced.

    He really didn’t.

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