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    After the new adds how many B1G teams are not AAU?

    Still just 1… Nebraska.

    N…..knowledge….ya’ll know the punchline….

    The only one I know goes “if you wanna go to college but you ain’t got the knowledge….

     

     

    (….if you wanna go to college st cloud state) #missingappropriatesmilies

    The “N” on the flag stands for Knowledge…

    How would I know that, I didn’t get an education at Nebraska!  ;)

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    Players will be fine from the Cali universities playing in the cold.

    I don’t agree.  But they will be blessed with later start times and there aren’t that many games in college football that are truly cold.

     

    The late starts are going to suck. A 7pm kickoff in LA would by a 9pm in Mpls and 10pm in eastern time zone universities. Imo, it’s easier for a player to adjust to playing in a colder climate than hot. Though I agree, there aren’t that many really cold games in November in Minnesota or other BIG northern universities like a cold NFL Playoff game in Jan. Plus I’m pretty sure the BIG doesn’t have kickoffs past 3pm in Nov.

     

    That and it’ll help that they’d have the sunny sideline for 11AM kickoffs.

    Okay, so maybe it won’t happen their first November visits to the Twin Cities, but unless they have some scheduling rule put in place that allows them to avoid games here after Halloween, they’re going to see a bitter cold snap sometime, especially when every few years there’s at least one game here where the temperature at kickoff is below 25 or so degrees.

    We actually might be due for one since the last one I recall offhand was Veterans Day Weekend 2018 against Purdue. I remember that one well because, long story short, I brought an Iraq War vet who, despite being a Minnesotan, had gotten used to desert weather in both Iraq and El Paso, TX where he had been stationed.

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    thinkbui wrote…
    gator wrote…
    Bertogliat wrote…
    gator wrote…

    Players will be fine from the Cali universities playing in the cold.

    I don’t agree.  But they will be blessed with later start times and there aren’t that many games in college football that are truly cold.

     

    The late starts are going to suck. A 7pm kickoff in LA would by a 9pm in Mpls and 10pm in eastern time zone universities. Imo, it’s easier for a player to adjust to playing in a colder climate than hot. Though I agree, there aren’t that many really cold games in November in Minnesota or other BIG northern universities like a cold NFL Playoff game in Jan. Plus I’m pretty sure the BIG doesn’t have kickoffs past 3pm in Nov.

     

    That and it’ll help that they’d have the sunny sideline for 11AM kickoffs.

    Okay, so maybe it won’t happen their first November visits to the Twin Cities, but unless they have some scheduling rule put in place that allows them to avoid games here after Halloween, they’re going to see a bitter cold snap sometime, especially when every few years there’s at least one game here where the temperature at kickoff is below 25 or so degrees.

    We actually might be due for one since the last one I recall offhand was Veterans Day Weekend 2018 against Purdue. I remember that one well because, long story short, I brought an Iraq War vet who, despite being a Minnesotan, had gotten used to desert weather in both Iraq and El Paso, TX where he had been stationed.

    Yes but the last week of the season is usually slated for a rivalry game.  Through mid Nov it’s usually fairly decent.

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    I have to say I am thankful the Gophers were part of the Big Ten prior to conferences starting to realign.  Let’s face it, if we hadn’t already been seated at the table it would be highly unlikely that we would be invited.  We would be in the same situation as Washington State and Oregon State.  Scrambling trying to find a way to not be relegated to a second tier conference.

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    I have to say I am thankful the Gophers were part of the Big Ten prior to conferences starting to realign. Let’s face it, if we hadn’t already been seated at the table it would be highly unlikely that we would be invited. We would be in the same situation as Washington State and Oregon State. Scrambling trying to find a way to not be relegated to a second tier conference.

    I think U Washington or Georgia Tech are better comparables. Major public research universities in a top-20 TV market who had a strong historical football run, but has been an afterthought recently.

    But I totally agree. The B1G is definitely the place to be right now.

    At the risk of lighting a huge fire, those that suggested we thumb our nose at the B1G and stay in the WCHA should be pretty quiet now, as $100 million a year buys a lot of stuff. Hard to see Mariucci renovations get done next summer without the promise of B1G money coming in.

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    The trickle down effect is captivating.  It seems the PAC 10’s future is being written as we speak and long term it doesn’t look good for the conference.  Same with the Big 12.  It will be interesting to see if the ACC quickly jumps into the expansion world or if they end up in the blender of conference reorganization.

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    It’s going to be a 2 conference system soon.  Anyone not part of the Big Ten or SEC will be relegated to a second tier.  If those two conferences are generous they might keep a playoff spot for a non-member just to save face.  The days of the ncaa running a football championship are soon over.  More interesting will be how this spills over into basketball and the effect that has.

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    Orion wrote…

    The days of the ncaa running a football championship are soon over.

    They do not run the top tear in football… All these “championships” have not been “NCAA Championships”… They are “BCS” and all those different names over the years. Not sanctioned by the NCAA.

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    I did not realize that.  Thanks for clarifying.

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    It’s going to be a 2 conference system soon. Anyone not part of the Big Ten or $EC will be relegated to a second tier. If those two conferences are generous they might keep a playoff spot for a non-member just to save face. The days of the ncaa running a football championship are soon over. More interesting will be how this spills over into basketball and the effect that has.

    If we get to a two-conference system, we may just have a situation where the B1G winner plays the $EC winner for the de facto national championship, and that is that. Unless they have antitrust problems, they won’t let anyone else in.

    All the money of that game gets split between the B1G and the $EC. Not sharing with anyone else.

    Hooboy.

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    UCF will still claim they are National Champions.

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    I’ve been listening to a bunch of the shows on YouTube and a lot of the talk is just wait-and-see since the “Power Five leftovers” are going to make their own moves in the coming months or years, but the consensus is that this is the end of having 5 dominant conferences.  “Super 2” is being thrown around a lot, but these analysts are leaving the door open to a potential “Super 3” if two of the leftover conferences build a formal alliance even if that alliance is a distant third behind the B1G and the SEC.

    Unsurprisingly everyone’s talking about this in terms of football and men’s basketball, but I am surprised that none of the shows I’ve listened to have mentioned any non-revenue sports whatsoever.  Unless of course the were briefly mentioned when I was running the blender or flushing the toilet or something.

    Other things mentioned worth noting:

    • NIL and the weakness of the NCAA were significant factors
    • Where away games are played will now be a bigger part of recruiting SoCal players
      • B1G schools would argue that they get to play in front of family/friends at games at USC/UCLA
      • Pac-12 schools would argue it’s a lot easier and cheaper for family/friends to drive all over the West Coast than fly as far as New Jersey
    • B1G accepting Oregon and Washington seems unlikely since that would probably just shrink the BTN payout for existing members, could look elsewhere (in addition to Notre Dame)
    • A ton of talk about Lincoln Riley and how he’ll be a B1G coach with USC before his previous employer, Oklahoma, will be an SEC school
    • Pac-12 media deal effectively thrown into chaos
    • Too early to tell what this will do to bowls and the CFP

    And that’s just the stuff I can recall at 1:30AM on a Sunday morning.

    Both UCLA and USC have Indoor Track & Field teams in the MPSF that will presumably move to the B1G.  Men’s Volleyball and Water Polo should stay in the MPSF.  Everything I read implies their Beach Volleyball teams will stay in the Pac-12 (awkward).

    And we’ve already touched on the potential for USC and UCLA (more the latter) elevating their club hockey teams to varsity status.

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    I can see a 3rd conference forming after the BIG and SEC is done. It’ll be something like the BIG 12 and have it split in 2 pods of east and west. There’s still several colleges that can bring something to the table that aren’t already in the BIG and SEC. And half of the colleges already in the BIG and SEC, should be counting their blessings. Cause they wouldn’t included if it was another conference building a super conference.

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    This is getting crazy…

    • The Big 12 have talks with Pac-12 colleges, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington.
    • The Pac-12 and ACC exploring a TV partnership. Which could lead to a championship game featuring the Pac-12 champion against the ACC champion.

     

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    Dan Patrick thinks the SEC will go after Clemson, Florida State and Miami to hold supremacy over their Big Ten rival.

    Dan Patrick Thinks SEC Will Go After 3 Major Programs (msn.com)

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    Potentially could learn more about expansion from ND soon. Interesting that they mention it in their headline.

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    ESPN out of the new Big Ten TV Contract.  Sounds like for football it will be:

     

    As part of the deal terms, CBS is expected to carry a football game in the 3:30pm ET window on Saturdays, and NBC would carry one in primetime. NBC’s Peacock streaming service will carry an undetermined number of games per year exclusively. Peacock also will simulcast the games that air on NBC.  Along with the Fox 11 AM game, and then FS1 and BTN covering the rest.
    It will be interesting to see if a few more B1G Hockey games potentially end up on either CBS Sports or Peacock usurping the few games a year that aired on ESPNU.
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    NBC huh…I am not saying this will happen but quite a few people thought if NBC got the rights to Big Ten games that would be the final dominoe for Notre Dame since they have a contract with NBC.  ESPN will not blackball all talk of the Big Ten just like they did when hockey left ESPN. (not that I care I watch exactly one show on ESPN and it has a Big Ten guy on it PTI)

    Again I am not saying Notre Dame will join (or that I want them to) but things did line up better for them.

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    Increasing and ongoing consolidation of conferences will probably equal more conference games.  At least that is my guess.  More conference games makes it harder for independents to schedule quality components which means independents are going to have a tougher time scheduling games against meaningful opponents. Ultimately this means for schools like Notre Dame is their strength of schedule could get weaker which will hurt them at BSC time.

    Obviously a lot of speculations but if I’m Notre Dame I’d want to act fast or they could be on the outside looking in while playing a schedule of MAC like teams and the Detroilet Bowl…with their games on The Ocho.

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    Well NBC will never cancel their deal…it is a great value for them.

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    Notre Dame makes a whopping $15M-$22M per year from NBC currently.

    UMN and the rest of the B1G will likely make over $100M per year after this deal is finalized.

    The Golden Domers cannot afford to be that far behind and stay relevant on a national stage.  This isn’t Rockne’s Barnstormers anymore– it is a new world order in college football, and if Notre Dame doesn’t join up, they will be left behind.   Imagine their TV schedule without any of the B1G teams or possibly Stanford and USC– it would be a yawner, especially since the $EC schools won’t play them either.  Nobody under age 70 would believe Notre Dame-Army is must-see-TV.

    So Notre Dame’s choice is to go $EC and play in a league where any rule is optional, or go to the B1G, which appears to at least pay lip service to the educational mission of a school.  It’s kind of a no-brainer for the Irish.

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    I might eat crow here, cause I’ve been pretty firm on the BIG only looking for AAU colleges to join the BIG in it’s expansion. Though if there is one college/university that the BIG would compromise for would be Notre Dame.  Plus Notre Dame wants nothing to do with SEC Football.  It’s not their narrative or style. And like SkiUMahLaw mentioned, Notre Dame doesn’t want to risk losing it’s rivalries UCS, Stanford (if they join the BIG), Purdue and bring back games vs. Michigan and Michigan State.

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    I might eat crow here, cause I’ve been pretty firm on the BIG only looking for AAU colleges to join the BIG in it’s expansion. Though if there is one college/university that the BIG would compromise for would be Notre Dame.  Plus Notre Dame wants nothing to do with SEC Football.  It’s not their narrative or style. And like SkiUMahLaw mentioned, Notre Dame doesn’t want to risk losing it’s rivalries UCS, Stanford (if they join the BIG), Purdue and bring back games vs. Michigan and Michigan State.

    My take is the AAU is not critical for athletics any longer.  AAU colleges (and the NCAA) have already shown that athletics are no longer an academic concern.  Yes, there is big money in the AAU and research side, but why does this have to be tied to athletic concerns?  Athletic conferences could be a separate identity from academic affiliation.  It seems that we keep trying to tie academics and athletics together much more than is happening in reality.

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    Orion wrote…
    gator wrote…

    I might eat crow here, cause I’ve been pretty firm on the BIG only looking for AAU colleges to join the BIG in it’s expansion. Though if there is one college/university that the BIG would compromise for would be Notre Dame.  Plus Notre Dame wants nothing to do with SEC Football.  It’s not their narrative or style. And like SkiUMahLaw mentioned, Notre Dame doesn’t want to risk losing it’s rivalries UCS, Stanford (if they join the BIG), Purdue and bring back games vs. Michigan and Michigan State.

    My take is the AAU is not critical for athletics any longer.  AAU colleges (and the NCAA) have already shown that athletics are no longer an academic concern.  Yes, there is big money in the AAU and research side, but why does this have to be tied to athletic concerns?  Athletic conferences could be a separate identity from academic affiliation.  It seems that we keep trying to tie academics and athletics together much more than is happening in reality.

    I’m not sure you’re giving the AAU side of things enough credit in how important it actually is to a university.  I’m not saying it will restrict Notre Dame from being admitted but they’re not going to go completely ignore its importance on a widespread basis.

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    A good question to get answered is what, if anything does B1G conference affiliation do for each school, outside of athletics?

    Why is it important to Minnesota that any new conference members be AAU members?  How does it impact the U on the academic side?

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    Bertogliat wrote…

    A good question to get answered is what, if anything does B1G conference affiliation do for each school, outside of athletics?

    Why is it important to Minnesota that any new conference members be AAU members?  How does it impact the U on the academic side?

    I believe the AAU status gives legs up on Government research grants, which when the Academic B1G obtains such a grant, it shares the research among the schools.  So more AAU members = better chances of grant-receiving = more academic dollars to spread around.

    Being AAU isn’t necessarily required for government grants, but it is one of those qualification things that indicate you have the ability to complete research and do it correctly.

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    SkiUMahLaw wrote…
    Bertogliat wrote…

    A good question to get answered is what, if anything does B1G conference affiliation do for each school, outside of athletics?

    Why is it important to Minnesota that any new conference members be AAU members?  How does it impact the U on the academic side?

    I believe the AAU status gives legs up on Government research grants, which when the Academic B1G obtains such a grant, it shares the research among the schools.  So more AAU members = better chances of grant-receiving = more academic dollars to spread around.

    Being AAU isn’t necessarily required for government grants, but it is one of those qualification things that indicate you have the ability to complete research and do it correctly.

    I was not aware they share grants between schools.

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    I might eat crow here, cause I’ve been pretty firm on the BIG only looking for AAU colleges to join the BIG in it’s expansion. Though if there is one college/university that the BIG would compromise for would be Notre Dame.  Plus Notre Dame wants nothing to do with SEC Football.  It’s not their narrative or style. And like SkiUMahLaw mentioned, Notre Dame doesn’t want to risk losing it’s rivalries UCS, Stanford (if they join the BIG), Purdue and bring back games vs. Michigan and Michigan State.

    My take is the AAU is not critical for athletics any longer.  AAU colleges (and the NCAA) have already shown that athletics are no longer an academic concern.  Yes, there is big money in the AAU and research side, but why does this have to be tied to athletic concerns?  Athletic conferences could be a separate identity from academic affiliation.  It seems that we keep trying to tie academics and athletics together much more than is happening in reality.

    I’m not sure you’re giving the AAU side of things enough credit in how important it actually is to a university.  I’m not saying it will restrict Notre Dame from being admitted but they’re not going to go completely ignore its importance on a widespread basis.

    I fully appreciate the importance of the AAU to a university.  I’m just saying that athletics and academics can be and should be viewed as two separate things.  Why not get big piles of money on both sides?  Athletics are not part of the AAU affiliation so why should academics be part of athletic affiliation?  Another way to look at it would be the creation of a separate conference for athletics and one for academics.

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    Orion wrote…
    Slap Shot wrote…
    Orion wrote…
    gator wrote…

    I might eat crow here, cause I’ve been pretty firm on the BIG only looking for AAU colleges to join the BIG in it’s expansion. Though if there is one college/university that the BIG would compromise for would be Notre Dame.  Plus Notre Dame wants nothing to do with SEC Football.  It’s not their narrative or style. And like SkiUMahLaw mentioned, Notre Dame doesn’t want to risk losing it’s rivalries UCS, Stanford (if they join the BIG), Purdue and bring back games vs. Michigan and Michigan State.

    My take is the AAU is not critical for athletics any longer.  AAU colleges (and the NCAA) have already shown that athletics are no longer an academic concern.  Yes, there is big money in the AAU and research side, but why does this have to be tied to athletic concerns?  Athletic conferences could be a separate identity from academic affiliation.  It seems that we keep trying to tie academics and athletics together much more than is happening in reality.

    I’m not sure you’re giving the AAU side of things enough credit in how important it actually is to a university.  I’m not saying it will restrict Notre Dame from being admitted but they’re not going to go completely ignore its importance on a widespread basis.

    I fully appreciate the importance of the AAU to a university.  I’m just saying that athletics and academics can be and should be viewed as two separate things.  Why not get big piles of money on both sides?  Athletics are not part of the AAU affiliation so why should academics be part of athletic affiliation?  Another way to look at it would be the creation of a separate conference for athletics and one for academics.

    But why?  It seems to be going fine.  As a fan of the University of Minnesota (not a huge revenue builder for FB and MBB) you might want to be careful what you wish for.

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    Why?  Purely to increase revenue.  I’m not advocating for or against here.  I’m just saying if the Big Ten could admit SCSU and increase revenue by a billion dollars while still keeping the AAU money they would.  They just couldn’t say it’s about academic integrity without snorting a chuckle or two.

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    And he is right…if a non-AAU school can bring in more revenue the Big Ten will find a way to allow it in.  They won’t lose anything out of the deal because the AAU members will still get the grants they would have gotten before.  That doesn’t mean we like it (I hate it personally) but that changes nothing.  The Big Ten will do what is best for the Big Ten…and when it comes to college sports that means stacking the deck with as many brands as possible.  They aren’t going to block a school that can add millions to the coffers of all the member institutions on the threat of losing grant dollars…especially since the threat is likely hollow anyways.

    Now, if adding a non-AAU member put those grants at risk in any sort of real tangible way, then they might think twice.  But the government isn’t going to hold back money because a member or two is not a part of the collective. (unless I missed something)

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    1) Who besides Norte Dame would the BIG bring in that’s not AAU?
    And even though Notre Dame is not AAU, they bring enough to the table on the academic scale.

    2) It’s been mentioned before… Athletics bring in pennies to the dollar what grants and research does… especially at the “U”. So academics will still have the final say if it affects them in anyway.

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    gator wrote…

    1) Who besides Norte Dame would the BIG bring in that’s not AAU?
    And even though Notre Dame is not AAU, they bring enough to the table on the academic scale.

    2) It’s been mentioned before… Athletics bring in pennies to the dollar what grants and research does… especially at the “U”. So academics will still have the final say if it affects them in anyway.

    1. I dunno we have no idea who is even looking and honestly I hate all this so I just tune it out mostly.
    2. Wanna bet?

    Academics lost the fight a long time ago.

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    I renamed this topic since the change I made yesterday was wiped out with the lost data.

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    HandyNotDan wrote…
    gator wrote…

    1) Who besides Norte Dame would the BIG bring in that’s not AAU?
    And even though Notre Dame is not AAU, they bring enough to the table on the academic scale.

    2) It’s been mentioned before… Athletics bring in pennies to the dollar what grants and research does… especially at the “U”. So academics will still have the final say if it affects them in anyway.

    1. I dunno we have no idea who is even looking and honestly I hate all this so I just tune it out mostly.
    2. Wanna bet?

    Academics lost the fight a long time ago.

    I think it was Steve (who posted before the delete) numbers showing academics still brought in more $.

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    Cowgirl wrote…
    HandyNotDan wrote…
    gator wrote…

    1) Who besides Norte Dame would the BIG bring in that’s not AAU?
    And even though Notre Dame is not AAU, they bring enough to the table on the academic scale.

    2) It’s been mentioned before… Athletics bring in pennies to the dollar what grants and research does… especially at the “U”. So academics will still have the final say if it affects them in anyway.

    1. I dunno we have no idea who is even looking and honestly I hate all this so I just tune it out mostly.
    2. Wanna bet?

    Academics lost the fight a long time ago.

    I think it was Steve (who posted before the delete) numbers showing academics still brought in more $.

    Yes.  2019 total Big Ten Athletic Department spending was just under 2 Billion

    2020 Big Ten Academic Alliance (the new name for the Committee on Institutional Cooperation) Funded research of 11.5 Billion.

    I’m slightly surprised the numbers are that close, actually… but that still means the the grants/etc for research is nearly 6 times as much as the total spending by the Athletic Departments.

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    1) Who besides Norte Dame would the BIG bring in that’s not AAU?
    And even though Notre Dame is not AAU, they bring enough to the table on the academic scale.

    2) It’s been mentioned before… Athletics bring in pennies to the dollar what grants and research does… especially at the “U”. So academics will still have the final say if it affects them in anyway.

    1. I dunno we have no idea who is even looking and honestly I hate all this so I just tune it out mostly.
    2. Wanna bet?

    Academics lost the fight a long time ago.

    I think it was Steve (who posted before the delete) numbers showing academics still brought in more $.

    I am not talking about who brings in more money, I am talking about who has the power.  Academics does not control what and who does what in the Big Ten and hasnt for a while now.

     

    And again, the Big Ten risks almost nothing when it comes to grants if they let in a non-AAU member.  They will not be passed over in the end for the money.

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    ND wouldn’t be passed over but they’re Notre Freaking Dame.  If a school such as Iowa State was non-AAU they’d have zero chance.

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    ND wouldn’t be passed over but they’re Notre Freaking Dame.  If a school such as Iowa State was non-AAU they’d have zero chance.

    Iowa State resigned from the AAU as their expertise (agricultural and engineering studies) are diminishing in importance for AAU inclusion (which is moving more toward a medical focus).  So ISU’s chances to join the B1G are essentially zero now.

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    To add to this thread, only four SEC schools are also members of the AAU.  <b>Florida, Missouri, Texas A&M and Vanderbilt</b>

    Interesting enough, it looks like in 2021 LSU brought in 165 million in research grants compared to the UMN bringing in 1.15 billion.

     

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