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    Steve MNSteve MN
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    ADMIN: This is a new thread containing the last year + of the old thread.

    Stupid ways to display hockey conference standings. For example in the Big Ten right now (I’ve trimmed out the overall stats, just need the Conference here)

    B1G Website:

    PTS GP PTS% W L T OW-OL SW

    1 Minnesota Golden Gophers 24 8 1.000 8 0 0 0-0 0

    2 Wisconsin Badgers 16 8 .667 5 3 0 0-1 0

    USCHO:

    W-L-T-SO-OW-OL Pct Pts

    Minnesota 8-0-0-0-0-0 1.000 24

    Wisconsin 5-3-0-0-0-1 0.667 16

    Both have different ways of showing the SO/OT wins/losses, but include those losses in the regular loss column, then add them again later in their own column. You have to try to figure out how you’re meant to add up the points.

    Our own Giant Planet’s much more sane version:

    Pos Team Reg Win OT/SO Win Reg Loss OT/SO Loss PTS GP

    1 Minnesota 8 0 0 0 24 8

    2 Wisconsin 5 0 2 1 16 8

    Every game shows up one time. The number of games shown matches the games played with no messing around. Why is this so difficult for other sites?

    Sorry about the formatting… spaces/tabs/etc don’t play nicely.

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    Passwords.

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    D2D wrote:

    Passwords.

    Important for sure, but you can’t have the same one for everything because some require a number, a capital, a symbol, a color, the name of your unborn child…..So what do you do? Store them all on your phone cause you can’t remember them all! :lol: :shock:

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    I have my passwords sorted. One password for social media, one for banking/bills, one for email, and one for games and such. Add to that monikers/fake names……

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    D2D wrote:

    Passwords.

    Important for sure, but you can’t have the same one for everything because some require a number, a capital, a symbol, a color, the name of your unborn child…..So what do you do? Store them all on your phone cause you can’t remember them all! :lol: :shock:


    Use a password manager, like LastPass. That way, you only have to remember a single password.

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    MNNavy wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    D2D wrote:

    Passwords.

    Important for sure, but you can’t have the same one for everything because some require a number, a capital, a symbol, a color, the name of your unborn child…..So what do you do? Store them all on your phone cause you can’t remember them all! :lol: :shock:


    Use a password manager, like LastPass. That way, you only have to remember a single password.

    I also use LastPass. There are several other sites out there that provide the same kind of service.

    You generate one really long password (a multi-word phrase that is hard to guess works fine, mine is like 25 characters long) that is used to encrypt the rest of your passwords. Plus, an easy browser extension that fills in for you. App on the phone will fill in even app logon screens, as well as in browsers on the phone.

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    I wish credit card swipe machines had universal rules. Some you press green for credit, some you press red for credit. I’ve even encountered a couple where you press yellow for credit. Can’t the manufacturers all agree to have the same color do the same thing.

    #firstworldproblem

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    Steve MN wrote:


    MNNavy wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    D2D wrote:

    Passwords.

    Important for sure, but you can’t have the same one for everything because some require a number, a capital, a symbol, a color, the name of your unborn child…..So what do you do? Store them all on your phone cause you can’t remember them all! :lol: :shock:


    Use a password manager, like LastPass. That way, you only have to remember a single password.

    I also use LastPass. There are several other sites out there that provide the same kind of service.

    You generate one really long password (a multi-word phrase that is hard to guess works fine, mine is like 25 characters long) that is used to encrypt the rest of your passwords. Plus, an easy browser extension that fills in for you. App on the phone will fill in even app logon screens, as well as in browsers on the phone.

    I’ve been looking at using LastPass. I have a password application that works like it but only works on my PC. Given I have very strong passwords it does create issues at times if I need something on my phone, but I haven’t gotten to the point of a more robust solution yet.

    I had to call Fidelity this morning about a transfer I’m trying to initiate to another account and they actually required me to type my password in via their automated system. My password is really long and random (since it involves our financial accounts) so it was annoying to enter. Most places just ask for a pin or something.

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    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    MNNavy wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    D2D wrote:

    Passwords.

    Important for sure, but you can’t have the same one for everything because some require a number, a capital, a symbol, a color, the name of your unborn child…..So what do you do? Store them all on your phone cause you can’t remember them all! :lol: :shock:


    Use a password manager, like LastPass. That way, you only have to remember a single password.

    I also use LastPass. There are several other sites out there that provide the same kind of service.

    You generate one really long password (a multi-word phrase that is hard to guess works fine, mine is like 25 characters long) that is used to encrypt the rest of your passwords. Plus, an easy browser extension that fills in for you. App on the phone will fill in even app logon screens, as well as in browsers on the phone.

    I’ve been looking at using LastPass. I have a password application that works like it but only works on my PC. Given I have very strong passwords it does create issues at times if I need something on my phone, but I haven’t gotten to the point of a more robust solution yet.

    I had to call Fidelity this morning about a transfer I’m trying to initiate to another account and they actually required me to type my password in via their automated system. My password is really long and random (since it involves our financial accounts) so it was annoying to enter. Most places just ask for a pin or something.

    So… by “automated system” I certainly hope you mean on their website, not the phone?

    I know there’s a couple other sites out there that do essentially the same thing, I just ran into LastPass first and it had good reviews, so I ran with it. Makes it easy to have a couple dozen different passwords that look like: @&7Ue7wfY7U4 For me, it works great, as long as I have an internet connection, it works fine, also, you can set LastPass to not only need some ridiculously long (but easy for you to remember) password but add 2 Factor with Google Authenticator (or others that do the same thing)

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    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    MNNavy wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    D2D wrote:

    Passwords.

    Important for sure, but you can’t have the same one for everything because some require a number, a capital, a symbol, a color, the name of your unborn child…..So what do you do? Store them all on your phone cause you can’t remember them all! :lol: :shock:


    Use a password manager, like LastPass. That way, you only have to remember a single password.

    I also use LastPass. There are several other sites out there that provide the same kind of service.

    You generate one really long password (a multi-word phrase that is hard to guess works fine, mine is like 25 characters long) that is used to encrypt the rest of your passwords. Plus, an easy browser extension that fills in for you. App on the phone will fill in even app logon screens, as well as in browsers on the phone.

    I’ve been looking at using LastPass. I have a password application that works like it but only works on my PC. Given I have very strong passwords it does create issues at times if I need something on my phone, but I haven’t gotten to the point of a more robust solution yet.

    I had to call Fidelity this morning about a transfer I’m trying to initiate to another account and they actually required me to type my password in via their automated system. My password is really long and random (since it involves our financial accounts) so it was annoying to enter. Most places just ask for a pin or something.

    I use LastPass as well and am pretty happy with it. Just looked it up, I’ve been using it since 2014. You can select countries and it will block access from IPs from other countries (make sure to unlock countries when you travel); I have MFA setup on my master pw; it analyzes if you have the same password on multiple accounts; it will tell you to update passwords that haven’t been updated in a while; it will flag accounts from sites that have had breaches and recommend you update passwords. This functionality exists but I haven’t used it: you can click “auto-change password” and it will login to the site and update the password for you — this works only for some sites.

    I’ve heard of people using password managers even for secret questions and having to tell someone on the phone: “my mother’s maiden name? Ok, it’s yBuX*xnEn*$5^WqcW2&9” 🤣

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    MATT wrote:


    I’ve heard of people using password managers even for secret questions and having to tell someone on the phone: “my mother’s maiden name? Ok, it’s yBuX*xnEn*$5^WqcW2&9” 🤣

    Is that German?

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    Steve MN wrote:

    So… by “automated system” I certainly hope you mean on their website, not the phone?

    No – the phone automated system you get when you call into their 800 number. I even asked them about this but I’m seriously considering changing my password,

    They eventually set it up such that you have to login just like you would on the website

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    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:

    So… by “automated system” I certainly hope you mean on their website, not the phone?

    No – the phone automated system you get when you call into their 800 number. I even asked them about this but I’m seriously considering changing my password,

    They eventually set it up such that you have to login just like you would on the website

    That’s… ummm… absurd

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    Steve MN wrote:


    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:

    So… by “automated system” I certainly hope you mean on their website, not the phone?

    No – the phone automated system you get when you call into their 800 number. I even asked them about this but I’m seriously considering changing my password,

    They eventually set it up such that you have to login just like you would on the website

    That’s… ummm… absurd

    It really is. I’m sure it’s secure given lots of other places ask for a voice passcode or PIN number, but I couldn’t believe it when I didn’t have an option to do it another way

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    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:

    So… by “automated system” I certainly hope you mean on their website, not the phone?

    No – the phone automated system you get when you call into their 800 number. I even asked them about this but I’m seriously considering changing my password,

    They eventually set it up such that you have to login just like you would on the website

    That’s… ummm… absurd

    It really is. I’m sure it’s secure given lots of other places ask for a voice passcode or PIN number, but I couldn’t believe it when I didn’t have an option to do it another way

    Do they not allow proper passwords with additional characters? How could I punch in Th|$$uc#$ as a password? :D

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    What happens when someone finds out that one password used for EVERYTHING?

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    Steve MN wrote:


    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:

    So… by “automated system” I certainly hope you mean on their website, not the phone?

    No – the phone automated system you get when you call into their 800 number. I even asked them about this but I’m seriously considering changing my password,

    They eventually set it up such that you have to login just like you would on the website

    That’s… ummm… absurd

    It really is. I’m sure it’s secure given lots of other places ask for a voice passcode or PIN number, but I couldn’t believe it when I didn’t have an option to do it another way

    Do they not allow proper passwords with additional characters? How could I punch in Th|$$uc#$ as a password? :D

    For any special character you use an asterisk. Their password standards are better than a lot of other places. I went and made a bunch of our account passwords more strong and random and don’t recall having to modify the randomly generated ones much with them

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    What happens when someone finds out that one password used for EVERYTHING?

    There’s a reason you use a multi-word 20+ character long phrase, combined with Multi-Factor Authentication. Not only would they need to find out some cryptic phrase that only you would know, they also have 30 seconds to guess the right 6 digit, constantly changing, random string of numbers.

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    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:

    So… by “automated system” I certainly hope you mean on their website, not the phone?

    No – the phone automated system you get when you call into their 800 number. I even asked them about this but I’m seriously considering changing my password,

    They eventually set it up such that you have to login just like you would on the website

    That’s… ummm… absurd

    It really is. I’m sure it’s secure given lots of other places ask for a voice passcode or PIN number, but I couldn’t believe it when I didn’t have an option to do it another way

    Do they not allow proper passwords with additional characters? How could I punch in Th|$$uc#$ as a password? :D

    For any special character you use an asterisk. Their password standards are better than a lot of other places. I went and made a bunch of our account passwords more strong and random and don’t recall having to modify the randomly generated ones much with them

    OH… because THAT’S secure to consolidate 30 or so characters into 1

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    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    What happens when someone finds out that one password used for EVERYTHING?

    There’s a reason you use a multi-word 20+ character long phrase, combined with Multi-Factor Authentication. Not only would they need to find out some cryptic phrase that only you would know, they also have 30 seconds to guess the right 6 digit, constantly changing, random string of numbers.

    Yeah, I found a random brute force calculator and put in 20 characters of upper/lower/number/special character:

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    Random Alpha/Numeric and Special Characters: 20

    Your password is 20 characters long and has 2,901,062,411,314,618,312,178,035,371,024,110,845,952 combinations.

    It takes 56,288,019,042,202,468,671,647,907,840 hours or 2,345,334,126,758,436,194,651,996,160 days to crack your password on computer that trys 25,769,803,776 passwords per hour.

    You can up that from 26B per hour to whatever is common now and it’s still an eternity. Plus like Steve said, add a 6 number code that changes every 30 seconds. And, restrict IP addresses so it can’t be guessed from China, Russia, India, etc.

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    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    What happens when someone finds out that one password used for EVERYTHING?

    There’s a reason you use a multi-word 20+ character long phrase, combined with Multi-Factor Authentication. Not only would they need to find out some cryptic phrase that only you would know, they also have 30 seconds to guess the right 6 digit, constantly changing, random string of numbers.

    Isn’t it possible someone could hack LastPass (or whoever) and gain access to all the passwords?

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    I didn’t realize it changes. I’m the antithesis of a techno geek so most stuff like this really is gibberish to me. :)

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    Idontknow wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    What happens when someone finds out that one password used for EVERYTHING?

    There’s a reason you use a multi-word 20+ character long phrase, combined with Multi-Factor Authentication. Not only would they need to find out some cryptic phrase that only you would know, they also have 30 seconds to guess the right 6 digit, constantly changing, random string of numbers.


    Isn’t it possible someone could hack LastPass (or whoever) and gain access to all the passwords?

    No. What really happens here (at a high level) is that the password you set is actually an encryption key. When you set a password, that password is encrypted using that “master password” you set and that’s what’s stored at LastPass.

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    Steve MN wrote:


    Idontknow wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    What happens when someone finds out that one password used for EVERYTHING?

    There’s a reason you use a multi-word 20+ character long phrase, combined with Multi-Factor Authentication. Not only would they need to find out some cryptic phrase that only you would know, they also have 30 seconds to guess the right 6 digit, constantly changing, random string of numbers.


    Isn’t it possible someone could hack LastPass (or whoever) and gain access to all the passwords?

    No. What really happens here (at a high level) is that the password you set is actually an encryption key. When you set a password, that password is encrypted using that “master password” you set and that’s what’s stored at LastPass.

    I saw Lastpass has had some security breaches. I guess I don’t trust 100% that someone couldn’t find some vulnerability in their system. And if they do, they have the keys to the kingdom.

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    MATT wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    What happens when someone finds out that one password used for EVERYTHING?

    There’s a reason you use a multi-word 20+ character long phrase, combined with Multi-Factor Authentication. Not only would they need to find out some cryptic phrase that only you would know, they also have 30 seconds to guess the right 6 digit, constantly changing, random string of numbers.

    Yeah, I found a random brute force calculator and put in 20 characters of upper/lower/number/special character:

    Quote:

    Random Alpha/Numeric and Special Characters: 20

    Your password is 20 characters long and has 2,901,062,411,314,618,312,178,035,371,024,110,845,952 combinations.

    It takes 56,288,019,042,202,468,671,647,907,840 hours or 2,345,334,126,758,436,194,651,996,160 days to crack your password on computer that trys 25,769,803,776 passwords per hour.

    You can up that from 26B per hour to whatever is common now and it’s still an eternity. Plus like Steve said, add a 6 number code that changes every 30 seconds. And, restrict IP addresses so it can’t be guessed from China, Russia, India, etc.

    For my master password with LastPass, I don’t actually use a random string, I use a phrase/sentence that I can remember, that nobody is going to guess, and it being so long means that (as you point out here) brute force is essentially impossible, especially with the MFA random codes needed.

    As an example of a Master password for lastpass (obviously not what I use): IgotstuckwithaflattireinOK

    So, first off, someone would have to know that I got a flat tire in Oklahoma of all places (which I haven’t)… then, they’d have to try to figure out if I added any capitalization in, and whether I spelled out Oklahoma, or just used OK. Then, they’d have to not only know that I experienced that, but that I’d use that specific event for a password.

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    Idontknow wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    Idontknow wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    What happens when someone finds out that one password used for EVERYTHING?

    There’s a reason you use a multi-word 20+ character long phrase, combined with Multi-Factor Authentication. Not only would they need to find out some cryptic phrase that only you would know, they also have 30 seconds to guess the right 6 digit, constantly changing, random string of numbers.


    Isn’t it possible someone could hack LastPass (or whoever) and gain access to all the passwords?

    No. What really happens here (at a high level) is that the password you set is actually an encryption key. When you set a password, that password is encrypted using that “master password” you set and that’s what’s stored at LastPass.

    I saw Lastpass has had some security breaches. I guess I don’t trust 100% that someone couldn’t find some vulnerability in their system. And if they do, they have the keys to the kingdom.

    They had one intrusion to their system back in 2015 or so that I know of, but given how the encryption works, it’s not something that exposed anything. Before the data goes to LastPass, it’s encrypted, so they don’t store any un-encrypted data.

    More recently, they had an issue with a specific browser-plugin that could interact with a vulnerability in a couple browsers so that if you visited a web-site that had itself been compromised, could lead to problems:

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    To exploit this bug, a series of actions would need to be taken by a LastPass user including filling a password with the LastPass icon, then visiting a compromised or malicious site and finally being tricked into clicking on the page several times. This exploit may result in the last site credentials filled by LastPass to be exposed.


    If you’re worried about LastPass in particular, there are other systems that do essentially the same thing.

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    MNNavy wrote:


    Use a password manager, like LastPass. That way, you only have to remember a single password.


    What if your password manager (like PastPass) somehow got hacked which would result in ALL of your passwords being exposed, and then sold? Would this be even possible?

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    D2D wrote:


    MNNavy wrote:


    Use a password manager, like LastPass. That way, you only have to remember a single password.


    What if your password manager (like PastPass) somehow got hacked which would result in ALL of your passwords being exposed, and then sold? Would this be even possible?

    Not realistically. LastPass doesn’t even get a plaintext copy of anything, it’s all encrypted, and your master password is the decryption key.

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    9:00 PM puck drops

    👹

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    Reading today’s story on HS hockey and the mask mandate. StarTrib has several photos, in one 6 people are in the bench area…ONE person is wearing their mask correctly. In another photo of actual play the mask looks attached to the inside of the face cage, there is clear air space all around the kids face! The blatant disregard to actually follow the rules is disappointing, gaming the system seems to be the norm.

    I guess when a crap load of players test positive and it all shuts down again they “might” rethink their selfishness, but I doubt it.

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    Those masks that attach to the cage are certified and approved. Our hockey association bought one for every player in our association.

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    Those masks that attach to the cage are certified and approved. Our hockey association bought one for every player in our association.

    But how is that effective? Open space around the mouth and nose allows particles to escape, that makes no sense at all. I’m just really curious, certified and approved by who? A hockey association or a medical one? I can’t believe that this would be acceptable in any other situation. Holding a mask 2 inches in front of your face isn’t going to fly entering a store, a plane, a doctors office. I’m not being argumentative, I’m just really confused over how this is being safe.

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    HockeyBum is correct in that some of the masks that attach to the cage are approved. My kids wear the CCM version and is does fit fairly well to the face.

    That said if Kelly Red is talking about the BSM player on the right of the photo at the top of the article, he is clearly not wearing the mask as intended/approved. It looks like this kid somehow attached the mask to fit tight to the mask and away form the face.

    They should fit like the kid second from right in this photo, not like the kid at the far right.

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    This! There was also an Edina player where I actually thought the mask was on the outside of his helmet cage! There was clear space around his entire face.

    I have to believe no one is that dumb and instead it’s rebellion/lip service about the mandate.

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    Without penalty consequences and having to play a man short it’s entirely predictable that kids will not play by the “rules”.

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    Without penalty consequences and having to play a man short it’s entirely predictable that kids will not play by the “rules”.

    Who is supposed to enforce the rule? The coach only?

    I coach my son’s traveling soccer team and it was on the coaches to make sure protocols were being followed. So you can imagine some teams followed and some didn’t.

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    D2D wrote:


    Without penalty consequences and having to play a man short it’s entirely predictable that kids will not play by the “rules”.

    Who is supposed to enforce the rule? The coach only?

    I coach my son’s traveling soccer team and it was on the coaches to make sure protocols were being followed. So you can imagine some teams followed and some didn’t.

    I think that’s the point. In hockey, you can get called a minor penalty for not playing with proper equipment. Tell the refs that every time a player takes the ice without the mask as decided by the league, that gets called. For Soccer, start issuing yellow cards. Without any penalty, how do you enforce it? Start calling penalties.

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    HockeyBum is correct in that some of the masks that attach to the cage are approved. My kids wear the CCM version and is does fit fairly well to the face.

    That said if Kelly Red is talking about the BSM player on the right of the photo at the top of the article, he is clearly not wearing the mask as intended/approved. It looks like this kid somehow attached the mask to fit tight to the mask and away form the face.

    They should fit like the kid second from right in this photo, not like the kid at the far right.

    All I see in that first photo is a bunch of chin diapers.

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    As a referee we are told to ask them to put it on correctly, but we are not the “Mask Police”. I will tell coaches to put theirs on and if they dont we put it in the scorebook and notify different people depending on which district its in. In 8 it’s the head referee and 6 is the referee supervisor. In 6 the coach will get a $500 fine for not wearing his/her mask. Kids do not have that. They will be disciplined in other ways. In 8 is a suspension that is progressive.

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    This! There was also an Edina player where I actually thought the mask was on the outside of his helmet cage! There was clear space around his entire face.

    I have to believe no one is that dumb and instead it’s rebellion/lip service about the mandate.

    The problem with having the mask against the cage is lack of visibility. I would be more worried about my kid having his head down and getting a neck injury with the Covid mask against the cage.

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    But how is that effective? Open space around the mouth and nose allows particles to escape, that makes no sense at all. I’m just really curious, certified and approved by who? A hockey association or a medical one? I can’t believe that this would be acceptable in any other situation. Holding a mask 2 inches in front of your face isn’t going to fly entering a store, a plane, a doctors office. I’m not being argumentative, I’m just really confused over how this is being safe.

    Minnesota Department of Health approved the CCM and Bauer face masks.

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    Kelly Red wrote:

    But how is that effective? Open space around the mouth and nose allows particles to escape, that makes no sense at all. I’m just really curious, certified and approved by who? A hockey association or a medical one? I can’t believe that this would be acceptable in any other situation. Holding a mask 2 inches in front of your face isn’t going to fly entering a store, a plane, a doctors office. I’m not being argumentative, I’m just really confused over how this is being safe.

    Minnesota Department of Health approved the CCM and Bauer face masks.

    Thank you for the info. I guess they just need to be worn correctly :biggrin2:

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    Kelly Red wrote:


    Maize wrote:


    Kelly Red wrote:

    But how is that effective? Open space around the mouth and nose allows particles to escape, that makes no sense at all. I’m just really curious, certified and approved by who? A hockey association or a medical one? I can’t believe that this would be acceptable in any other situation. Holding a mask 2 inches in front of your face isn’t going to fly entering a store, a plane, a doctors office. I’m not being argumentative, I’m just really confused over how this is being safe.

    Minnesota Department of Health approved the CCM and Bauer face masks.

    Thank you for the info. I guess they just need to be worn correctly :biggrin2:

    Like every other mask.

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    It’s amazing to me how many restaurants can’t get a takeout order correct. It seems to happen where one or more of our orders isn’t correct every 2-3 weeks.

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    It’s amazing to me how many restaurants can’t get a takeout order correct. It seems to happen where one or more of our orders isn’t correct every 2-3 weeks.

    A lot of times, especially when it’s busy, a host/hostess is putting together to go orders, and that’s most likely gonna be a high schooler.

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    The 90 minute limit for reservations that most places have put in place. Thankfully, there are work-arounds. I want to watch the Bills game next week at a local pub. NFL games are about 3 hours. Thankfully figured out a solution. The friends I’ll be watching the game with, well, I made one reservation at 5:30 (kickoff is 5:40), and one of the others made a reservation for 7pm. Might have to switch tables, but it’s silly that there is a limit, if a customer is buying drinks/snacks/etc the whole time.

    Up in Houghton last year, the Ambassador had an hour limit after your last purchase was made, IIRC. That makes more sense.

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    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

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    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

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    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

    We once had our alarm system screaming in the middle of the night. I was expecting to be attacked. Read that as crapping my pants. I could not figure out the alarm code on the display. Turned out to be a low battery due to a blown fuse.

    Nothing like having to walk down the stairs at 3 am wondering in a burglar is going to try to kill you.

    The only good news is the alarm is on the same circuit as our chest freezer so I guess I don’t have to worry about losing a bunch of expensive meat…. :lol:

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    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    Smoke alarms have secret coding that restricts the battery alarm from going off outside the hours off between 2 and 4 a.m.

    FACT!!

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    I will be the first one to say that I don’t do this, but if you change them at daylight savings, you don’t have this problem!

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    Bertogliat wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

    We once had our alarm system screaming in the middle of the night. I was expecting to be attacked. Read that as crapping my pants. I could not figure out the alarm code on the display. Turned out to be a low battery due to a blown fuse.

    Nothing like having to walk down the stairs at 3 am wondering in a burglar is going to try to kill you.

    The only good news is the alarm is on the same circuit as our chest freezer so I guess I don’t have to worry about losing a bunch of expensive meat…. :lol:

    I’ve always wondered what I would do if my home security alarm went off in the middle of the night as that would be utterly terrifying. Grab for the softball bat next to my bed, then hope my cell phone is on.

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    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    The one In my 2 year old’s room went off full bore in his bedroom this Fall. A combination of the humidifier, a fan on low speed and the furnace running all managed to create enough of an effect that it triggered the alarm at 3:00.

    That was not a fun evening

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    Bertogliat wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

    We once had our alarm system screaming in the middle of the night. I was expecting to be attacked. Read that as crapping my pants. I could not figure out the alarm code on the display. Turned out to be a low battery due to a blown fuse.

    Nothing like having to walk down the stairs at 3 am wondering in a burglar is going to try to kill you.

    The only good news is the alarm is on the same circuit as our chest freezer so I guess I don’t have to worry about losing a bunch of expensive meat…. :lol:

    I’ve always wondered what I would do if my home security alarm went off in the middle of the night as that would be utterly terrifying. Grab for the softball bat next to my bed, then hope my cell phone is on.

    This happened to a friend of mine many years ago. The guy who invaded was really drunk and thought he was at his friend’s house. He ended up almost getting a baseball bat and a shotgun shot as his punishment.

    The funny thing about it is that the guy was so drunk that he ended up in the wrong house (by 1 or 2 blocks) but was sober enough to enter the garage service door and step through 3 ladders to get the door into the house.

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    My parents told me the story of how a neighbor guy waltzed into their bedroom one night, drunk. Their houses had the exact same layout so the guy thought he was just stumbling into his own bedroom. Of course my mom was terrified because she was pregnant but thankfully my dad realized who it was and was able to steer him in the right direction. This was back in the day when people didn’t lock their doors. I can’t fathom doing that anywhere anymore.

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    Bertogliat wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

    We once had our alarm system screaming in the middle of the night. I was expecting to be attacked. Read that as crapping my pants. I could not figure out the alarm code on the display. Turned out to be a low battery due to a blown fuse.

    Nothing like having to walk down the stairs at 3 am wondering in a burglar is going to try to kill you.

    The only good news is the alarm is on the same circuit as our chest freezer so I guess I don’t have to worry about losing a bunch of expensive meat…. :lol:

    I’ve always wondered what I would do if my home security alarm went off in the middle of the night as that would be utterly terrifying. Grab for the softball bat next to my bed, then hope my cell phone is on.

    I would never leave my bedroom with a bat or even a gun. I would not want to escalate a confrontation over a t.v. set or a computer. All that stuff is replaceable. It makes for good t.v. drama, but no thank you. Just call the cops without ever leaving your room and ask them to make a house call. It’s more complicated with kids, because now you have to go into protect mode.

    I no longer have kids at home, so I installed an over center lock on the bedroom door that cannot be kicked in from the outside: https://www.amazon.com/Defender-Security-11126-Door-Reinforcement/dp/B00QR2QCJI/ref=asc_df_B00QR2QCJI/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167140177670&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12538431779972923983&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019691&hvtargid=pla-335478159484&psc=1” class=”bbcode_url”>https://www.amazon.com/Defender-Security-11126-Door-Reinforcement/dp/B00QR2QCJI/ref=asc_df_B00QR2QCJI/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167140177670&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12538431779972923983&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019691&hvtargid=pla-335478159484&psc=1

    It really helps me sleep at night, but if for some reason you make it past that your next obstacle is the Glock 19. :wink:

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    MN announced a new pilot program for vaccinating people 65 and over. The call center for appointments opened at noon today. I called at 12:01 and got a message that this number has been disconnected. :oops:

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    Bertogliat wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

    We once had our alarm system screaming in the middle of the night. I was expecting to be attacked. Read that as crapping my pants. I could not figure out the alarm code on the display. Turned out to be a low battery due to a blown fuse.

    Nothing like having to walk down the stairs at 3 am wondering in a burglar is going to try to kill you.

    The only good news is the alarm is on the same circuit as our chest freezer so I guess I don’t have to worry about losing a bunch of expensive meat…. :lol:


    I hereby request that Jup change your status from Golden to Keeper of Expensive Meat.

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    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    Smoke alarms have secret coding that restricts the battery alarm from going off outside the hours off between 2 and 4 a.m.

    FACT!!

    Actually, my company builds chips that control smoke alarms (another company designs them and we manufacture them) The LoBatt (low battery) function was not designed well and has the highest failure rate on the chip tests.

    This is a ‘pareto’ of the fails, showing the top fail rates for the tests performed. Because of the design marginality, LoBatt has the highest failure rate. I guess it’s better than the, “Hey, I detect smoke” function not working.
    [attachment=0]LoBatt.png[/attachment]

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    Slap Shot wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    Smoke alarms have secret coding that restricts the battery alarm from going off outside the hours off between 2 and 4 a.m.

    FACT!!

    Actually, my company builds chips that control smoke alarms (another company designs them and we manufacture them) The LoBatt (low battery) function was not designed well and has the highest failure rate on the chip tests.

    This is a ‘pareto’ of the fails, showing the top fail rates for the tests performed. Because of the design marginality, LoBatt has the highest failure rate. I guess it’s better than the, “Hey, I detect smoke” function not working.

    LoBatt.png


    Just a note. Whenever we change a battery in appliances, watches, etc, we always make them with the date they were put in. (also lightbulbs, other things). Typically, the smoke alarms go 4 years before the battery runs out. You could do something like replacing the batteries on a particular date on odd or even years with plenty of margin. (I don’t know if I’d want to add changing batteries along with changing clocks)

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    Composer wrote:


    Composer wrote:


    Slap Shot wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    Smoke alarms have secret coding that restricts the battery alarm from going off outside the hours off between 2 and 4 a.m.

    FACT!!

    Actually, my company builds chips that control smoke alarms (another company designs them and we manufacture them) The LoBatt (low battery) function was not designed well and has the highest failure rate on the chip tests.

    This is a ‘pareto’ of the fails, showing the top fail rates for the tests performed. Because of the design marginality, LoBatt has the highest failure rate. I guess it’s better than the, “Hey, I detect smoke” function not working.

    LoBatt.png


    Just a note. Whenever we change a battery in appliances, watches, etc, we always make them with the date they were put in. (also lightbulbs, other things). Typically, the smoke alarms go 4 years before the battery runs out. You could do something like replacing the batteries on a particular date on odd or even years with plenty of margin. (I don’t know if I’d want to add changing batteries along with changing clocks)


    Now who wants to do sensible stuff like that. What’s wrong with living on the edge…. :mrgreen:

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    Composer wrote:


    Composer wrote:


    Slap Shot wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    Smoke alarms have secret coding that restricts the battery alarm from going off outside the hours off between 2 and 4 a.m.

    FACT!!

    Actually, my company builds chips that control smoke alarms (another company designs them and we manufacture them) The LoBatt (low battery) function was not designed well and has the highest failure rate on the chip tests.

    This is a ‘pareto’ of the fails, showing the top fail rates for the tests performed. Because of the design marginality, LoBatt has the highest failure rate. I guess it’s better than the, “Hey, I detect smoke” function not working.

    LoBatt.png


    Just a note. Whenever we change a battery in appliances, watches, etc, we always make them with the date they were put in. (also lightbulbs, other things). Typically, the smoke alarms go 4 years before the battery runs out. You could do something like replacing the batteries on a particular date on odd or even years with plenty of margin. (I don’t know if I’d want to add changing batteries along with changing clocks)


    Now who wants to do sensible stuff like that. What’s wrong with living on the edge…. :mrgreen:

    Some might balk at trusting the battery to last two years. :ahhh:

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    Bertogliat wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

    We once had our alarm system screaming in the middle of the night. I was expecting to be attacked. Read that as crapping my pants. I could not figure out the alarm code on the display. Turned out to be a low battery due to a blown fuse.

    Nothing like having to walk down the stairs at 3 am wondering in a burglar is going to try to kill you.

    The only good news is the alarm is on the same circuit as our chest freezer so I guess I don’t have to worry about losing a bunch of expensive meat…. :lol:

    I’ve always wondered what I would do if my home security alarm went off in the middle of the night as that would be utterly terrifying. Grab for the softball bat next to my bed, then hope my cell phone is on.

    Have a boot knife under my mattress, and a Lousiville slugger next to my bedroom door. I am a sound sleeper, unless something like that happens. Storms, fire, whatever, I will sleep through. My door opening? WIDE AWAKE.

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    The Rube wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Bertogliat wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Snowcool08 wrote:


    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

    We once had our alarm system screaming in the middle of the night. I was expecting to be attacked. Read that as crapping my pants. I could not figure out the alarm code on the display. Turned out to be a low battery due to a blown fuse.

    Nothing like having to walk down the stairs at 3 am wondering in a burglar is going to try to kill you.

    The only good news is the alarm is on the same circuit as our chest freezer so I guess I don’t have to worry about losing a bunch of expensive meat…. :lol:

    I’ve always wondered what I would do if my home security alarm went off in the middle of the night as that would be utterly terrifying. Grab for the softball bat next to my bed, then hope my cell phone is on.

    Have a boot knife under my mattress, and a Lousiville slugger next to my bedroom door. I am a sound sleeper, unless something like that happens. Storms, fire, whatever, I will sleep through. My door opening? WIDE AWAKE.

    I currently have like… 5 softball bats within arm’s reach of my bed and another 20ish in my closet a few feet from the foot of my bed 🤣 the trouble would be picking which one. Does a balanced bat provide better control or do I want a heavy endloaded one to really pack a punch? 🤣

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    This thread reminded me I need to replace all the batteries in my smoke detectors soon. I need to move the one in my kitchen a bit. Some idiot (me) decided to install it basically directly over the stove so it goes off basically whenever I’m making anything. Even if I’m just boiling water for pasta, the steak must mess with it.

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    This thread reminded me I need to replace all the batteries in my smoke detectors soon. I need to move the one in my kitchen a bit. Some idiot (me) decided to install it basically directly over the stove so it goes off basically whenever I’m making anything. Even if I’m just boiling water for pasta, the steak must mess with it.

    You don’t need one in your kitchen as long as you have one on that floor outside of a bedroom or other room with frequently shut doors.

    I used to go by the change detector batteries when I change the clocks plan but the time between spring forward and fall back was too long and I would have the overnight chirp. And that ALWAYS happens when I am traveling for work. Now I have calendar reminder set up for every 6 months.

    As for the weapon of choice, I’ve decided a 5 iron is going to do more damage than a softball bat.

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    Bertogliat wrote:


    Beauner wrote:


    This thread reminded me I need to replace all the batteries in my smoke detectors soon. I need to move the one in my kitchen a bit. Some idiot (me) decided to install it basically directly over the stove so it goes off basically whenever I’m making anything. Even if I’m just boiling water for pasta, the steak must mess with it.

    You don’t need one in your kitchen as long as you have one on that floor outside of a bedroom or other room with frequently shut doors.

    I used to go by the change detector batteries when I change the clocks plan but the time between spring forward and fall back was too long and I would have the overnight chirp. And that ALWAYS happens when I am traveling for work. Now I have calendar reminder set up for every 6 months.

    As for the weapon of choice, I’ve decided a 5 iron is going to do more damage than a softball bat.

    When we bought our 1988 house (not that old) there were only 2 smoke detectors in the entire house. We purchased several 10-year smoke detectors shortly after we moved in. We’ve been here 9 years this January, test them occasionally, and not one has had a battery issue. I assume I will be replacing them all this year rather than just a battery. But the cost of a 9 volt battery every 6 months over 10 years has to be close to the cost of a smoke detector…

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    I don’t know when but new construction requires, by national electrical code IIRC, that smoke detectors be hard wired in & I think if one goes off they all do. The batteries are merely so that if the electrical system is disabled the system function with out line voltage.

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    This thread reminded me I need to replace all the batteries in my smoke detectors soon. I need to move the one in my kitchen a bit. Some idiot (me) decided to install it basically directly over the stove so it goes off basically whenever I’m making anything. Even if I’m just boiling water for pasta, the steak must mess with it.

    You don’t need one in your kitchen as long as you have one on that floor outside of a bedroom or other room with frequently shut doors.

    I used to go by the change detector batteries when I change the clocks plan but the time between spring forward and fall back was too long and I would have the overnight chirp. And that ALWAYS happens when I am traveling for work. Now I have calendar reminder set up for every 6 months.

    As for the weapon of choice, I’ve decided a 5 iron is going to do more damage than a softball bat.

    When we bought our 1988 house (not that old) there were only 2 smoke detectors in the entire house. We purchased several 10-year smoke detectors shortly after we moved in. We’ve been here 9 years this January, test them occasionally, and not one has had a battery issue. I assume I will be replacing them all this year rather than just a battery. But the cost of a 9 volt battery every 6 months over 10 years has to be close to the cost of a smoke detector…

    I had to purchase 5 new ones for my upstairs level just last year when the inspector wouldn’t sign off on our basement remodel until the upstairs was to code.

    We bought the 10 year ones as well. I had to replace the one in my son’s room after it triggered due to the issue i mentioned earlier, but the others have been just fine so far

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    This thread reminded me I need to replace all the batteries in my smoke detectors soon. I need to move the one in my kitchen a bit. Some idiot (me) decided to install it basically directly over the stove so it goes off basically whenever I’m making anything. Even if I’m just boiling water for pasta, the steak must mess with it.

    You don’t need one in your kitchen as long as you have one on that floor outside of a bedroom or other room with frequently shut doors.

    I used to go by the change detector batteries when I change the clocks plan but the time between spring forward and fall back was too long and I would have the overnight chirp. And that ALWAYS happens when I am traveling for work. Now I have calendar reminder set up for every 6 months.

    As for the weapon of choice, I’ve decided a 5 iron is going to do more damage than a softball bat.

    Yeah it would. Maybe I’ll bring my extra sandwedge upstairs too.

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    I don’t know when but new construction requires, by national electrical code IIRC, that smoke detectors be hard wired in & I think if one goes off they all do. The batteries are merely so that if the electrical system is disabled the system function with out line voltage.

    Yes. All of our detectors are hard-wired with battery back up. But if the voltage in the battery gets too low the detector will chirp. I replace them religiously. I have a about a dozen smoke detectors and 3 CO detectors. The cost of batteries is about $30 every 6 months to replace. But I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if one of my kids died in a fire. It’s the cost of safety (like replacing tires). And it’s a long drop from the top floor bedroom windows so I want to give anyone maximum time to get out a lower level, if needed.

    Did I mention my dad was a firefighter? :lol:

    The most costly/deadly fires are the ones with inoperable smoke detectors.

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    When the smoke alarm in your bedroom decides that 2am is the perfect time to alert you that it’s battery is low.

    That’s the worst! I had one go off for no apparent reason once that woke me out of a dead sleep. I’ve never jumped out of bed or had my heart pounding so fast!

    We once had our alarm system screaming in the middle of the night. I was expecting to be attacked. Read that as crapping my pants. I could not figure out the alarm code on the display. Turned out to be a low battery due to a blown fuse.

    Nothing like having to walk down the stairs at 3 am wondering in a burglar is going to try to kill you.

    The only good news is the alarm is on the same circuit as our chest freezer so I guess I don’t have to worry about losing a bunch of expensive meat…. :lol:

    I’ve always wondered what I would do if my home security alarm went off in the middle of the night as that would be utterly terrifying. Grab for the softball bat next to my bed, then hope my cell phone is on.

    Have a boot knife under my mattress, and a Lousiville slugger next to my bedroom door. I am a sound sleeper, unless something like that happens. Storms, fire, whatever, I will sleep through. My door opening? WIDE AWAKE.

    I currently have like… 5 softball bats within arm’s reach of my bed and another 20ish in my closet a few feet from the foot of my bed 🤣 the trouble would be picking which one. Does a balanced bat provide better control or do I want a heavy endloaded one to really pack a punch? 🤣


    And here’s a general tip, if you have a bat, a 9-iron or your foot; don’t bother aiming for the head, go for the knee! Much easier target. Then once they’re down, aim higher :good2:

    I learned this in a self defense class. Hitting someone in the head is difficult, they’re moving around and can see the swing. Aiming for the knee is an easier hit and disables the attack. The other thing that was drummed into us, don’t hesitate.

    What a bizarre turn of conversation!

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    I have a buddy who used to have a Great Dane that patrolled the house at night checking on each room in the house. A burglar once broke a main level window and reached in to unlock it from the inside. The dog latched onto the burglar’s arm and must have chewed it up pretty good because when my buddy responded to the alarm, there was a pool of blood on the floor under the window.

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    Frontier Communications is installing fiber optic in our neighborhood. This morning, the crew put in junction boxes. My wife and I look outside at about noon, and there’s a box – about 18″ tall by 9″ wide, practically in the MIDDLE of our front yard (WTF?). We call Frontier and question why the box wasn’t placed in the same general proximity as the other three junction/maintenance boxes 15′ from where they placed this one, and got some b.s. response about their specs calling for placing it between the property lines (I guess they nailed that one).

    After we got off the phone with them, I noticed their crew was back out there, digging up our yard – AGAIN – to move the box. So now, we’ve got two areas where they’ve dug up our yard, because their surveyor couldn’t be bothered to take the time to talk to us and discuss where the box should be placed.

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    Frontier Communications is installing fiber optic in our neighborhood. This morning, the crew put in junction boxes. My wife and I look outside at about noon, and there’s a box – about 18″ tall by 9″ wide, practically in the MIDDLE of our front yard (WTF?). We call Frontier and question why the box wasn’t placed in the same general proximity as the other three junction/maintenance boxes 15′ from where they placed this one, and got some b.s. response about their specs calling for placing it between the property lines (I guess they nailed that one).

    After we got off the phone with them, I noticed their crew was back out there, digging up our yard – AGAIN – to move the box. So now, we’ve got two areas where they’ve dug up our yard, because their surveyor couldn’t be bothered to take the time to talk to us and discuss where the box should be placed.

    OMG, I’d be :censored: furious!

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