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    Cowgirl wrote:


    So we tried to buy a vehicle at belzers. They won’t hold it/take a down payment from us. Their way of pressuring us to finance through them. Also wouldn’t give a price…..so how are we supposed to know how much to get the check for…??

    After it takes us a few days to get the money in hand, if the vehicle is gone they will never get our business. I cannot believe how much dealers seem to not want me to buy a vehicle from them. Clearly they hate people who have their own financing.

    This has been so frustrating. :chainsaw: :censored:

    You must love the car – I’d tell them to :censored: off

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    Ya I’d say see ya. There will always be another car basically exactly the same.

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    No, we are looking for a vehicle with a specific engine and add on options and have only found two that were remotely close without custom ordering (which would cost thousands more as this is last years model). That’s why we initially drove to the other side of wisco to look at the first one as it’s the only one within driving distance that has what we want. This one locally is close enough and should be cheaper but I have a feeling with the plan to not finance through them they’ll try to jack the price. If that happens I’m just going elsewhere and ordering exactly what I want. It will cost more and take several months to get it but oh well.

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    Bonin21 wrote:


    So did you invest that cash somewhere you’ll get > 1.89%? I always lean towards no debt when possible.


    Calculated risk that over a four year period my annual rate of return from a 50/50 mix of no load stock and bond funds will exceed 1.89%.

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    Bonin21 wrote:


    Ya I’d say see ya. There will always be another car basically exactly the same.

    No sh*. Forest Lake Chevy held the car for me (refundable, as long as I showed up to take a look-see) no issue there. I agree w/rest of crowd. F them. There will be an identical version of what you seek somewhere….

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    The Rube wrote:


    Bonin21 wrote:


    Ya I’d say see ya. There will always be another car basically exactly the same.

    No sh*. Forest Lake Chevy held the car for me (refundable, as long as I showed up to take a look-see) no issue there. I agree w/rest of crowd. F them. There will be an identical version of what you seek somewhere….


    There isn’t. That’s the problem. Trust me. We’ve been scouring dealers within 200 miles.

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    Is it a McLaren F1 or what are we talking about here?

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    Bonin21 wrote:


    Is it a McLaren F1 or what are we talking about here?

    If it is a Prius, I will personally kick her arse myself.

    Although I know it’s not.

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    Bonin21 wrote:


    Is it a McLaren F1 or what are we talking about here?

    The specific engine need is to haul all that beer back from their road trips I guess :mrgreen:

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    The Rube wrote:


    Bonin21 wrote:


    Ya I’d say see ya. There will always be another car basically exactly the same.

    No sh*. Forest Lake Chevy held the car for me (refundable, as long as I showed up to take a look-see) no issue there. I agree w/rest of crowd. F them. There will be an identical version of what you seek somewhere….


    There isn’t. That’s the problem. Trust me. We’ve been scouring dealers within 200 miles.

    If you have to have that car, that bad… Just finance through them and immediately pay it off (with either a check or a different loan). You’ll pay some financing and extra charges, but avoid paying their interest. If the specific vehicle is that important that is.

    Otherwise, there are car “brokers” who you can call that will search nationwide for you and can arrange delivery. Of course there is a fee for that, but if the vehicle is proving that difficult to find it may be helpful. A friend of mine used one to find a specific car he was looking for, he said he didn’t pay that much extra and it was worth it because he wanted that vehicle in a specific trim and color that badly.

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    We thought about financing through them but it’s more of a PITA. I haven’t had to go through this for awhile – is it custom for places to NOT hold a vehicle when you are telling them I want it and will pay full price?! It blows my mind.

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    We thought about financing through them but it’s more of a PITA. I haven’t had to go through this for awhile – is it custom for places to NOT hold a vehicle when you are telling them I want it and will pay full price?! It blows my mind.

    As I mentioned, the dealership I bought my car from held a deposit (100 bucks, IIRC), and it was refundable even if I didn’t buy it. Just had to show up. It’s like hotel rooms/etc nowadays. I’m guessing too many no-shows, so now the deposit issue is a thing.

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    We thought about financing through them but it’s more of a PITA. I haven’t had to go through this for awhile – is it custom for places to NOT hold a vehicle when you are telling them I want it and will pay full price?! It blows my mind.

    There has to be something in it for them to hold it. A guaranteed sale today (if another customer shows up) vs a likely sale in a day or two is a no brainer.

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    Bertogliat wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    We thought about financing through them but it’s more of a PITA. I haven’t had to go through this for awhile – is it custom for places to NOT hold a vehicle when you are telling them I want it and will pay full price?! It blows my mind.

    There has to be something in it for them to hold it. A guaranteed sale today (if another customer shows up) vs a likely sale in a day or two is a no brainer.

    That’s shitty service.

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    We thought about financing through them but it’s more of a PITA. I haven’t had to go through this for awhile – is it custom for places to NOT hold a vehicle when you are telling them I want it and will pay full price?! It blows my mind.

    No. But stealerships are just that. Most want to milk every last cent out of you and don’t car if you ever come back to buy another car. They want you in a 7-8 year loan with ALL the add-ons possible.

    Last 2 times, I just flat out lied. I had a final number in mind and said I will talk about term and payments when we get to financing after we agree on price. Then see what it is, or bust out your cashiers check.

    Most dealerships “prep” the car and want at least 2-3 days to do that anyway. So once you make an agreement, make your down payment and tell them you’ll come back with the payment. I would just say I also need a day to empty out my trade. If you’ve both agreed and signed, and they walk away then, that is some shady stuff…

    Never tell a dealership you are paying cash, then they know they are really unlikely to milk extra dollars out of you when you pay it all up front, rather than $22 a month for the next 7 years on a loan. You can say you have your own financing which they are welcome to try and beat, but don’t say cash until you’re already locked in.

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    We have done our homework and know what tax title and license should be – and are working to get financing tomorrow. If they try to add on more money to make up for not financing with them then they just lost our business forever.

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    We have done our homework and know what tax title and license should be – and are working to get financing tomorrow. If they try to add on more money to make up for not financing with them then they just lost our business forever.

    Just make sure on things like the “Documentation Fee” there is a MN Statue that limits them to what they can charge. It used to be $75, but I think it was raised twice recently. It is $125 as of July 1st, 2020. Last time we bought a car, they wanted $400 for this… Just inform them of the MN Statute limiting the maximum fee for that.

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    fightclub30 wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    We have done our homework and know what tax title and license should be – and are working to get financing tomorrow. If they try to add on more money to make up for not financing with them then they just lost our business forever.

    Just make sure on things like the “Documentation Fee” there is a MN Statue that limits them to what they can charge. It used to be $75, but I think it was raised twice recently. It is $125 as of July 1st, 2020. Last time we bought a car, they wanted $400 for this… Just inform them of the MN Statute limiting the maximum fee for that.

    I believe they quoted $125. But thanks for the tip!

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    fightclub30 wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    The Rube wrote:


    Bonin21 wrote:


    Ya I’d say see ya. There will always be another car basically exactly the same.

    No sh*. Forest Lake Chevy held the car for me (refundable, as long as I showed up to take a look-see) no issue there. I agree w/rest of crowd. F them. There will be an identical version of what you seek somewhere….


    There isn’t. That’s the problem. Trust me. We’ve been scouring dealers within 200 miles.

    If you have to have that car, that bad… Just finance through them and immediately pay it off (with either a check or a different loan). You’ll pay some financing and extra charges, but avoid paying their interest. If the specific vehicle is that important that is.

    Otherwise, there are car “brokers” who you can call that will search nationwide for you and can arrange delivery. Of course there is a fee for that, but if the vehicle is proving that difficult to find it may be helpful. A friend of mine used one to find a specific car he was looking for, he said he didn’t pay that much extra and it was worth it because he wanted that vehicle in a specific trim and color that badly.


    Sometimes, dealerships will do that, too. If you go in looking for a car with specific features/options, and they don’t have one on the lot, they’ll do a search to see if there’s one in the area. Then, they’ll try to work out a trade with a dealership that has what you’re looking for.

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    MNNavy wrote:


    fightclub30 wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    The Rube wrote:


    Bonin21 wrote:


    Ya I’d say see ya. There will always be another car basically exactly the same.

    No sh*. Forest Lake Chevy held the car for me (refundable, as long as I showed up to take a look-see) no issue there. I agree w/rest of crowd. F them. There will be an identical version of what you seek somewhere….


    There isn’t. That’s the problem. Trust me. We’ve been scouring dealers within 200 miles.

    If you have to have that car, that bad… Just finance through them and immediately pay it off (with either a check or a different loan). You’ll pay some financing and extra charges, but avoid paying their interest. If the specific vehicle is that important that is.

    Otherwise, there are car “brokers” who you can call that will search nationwide for you and can arrange delivery. Of course there is a fee for that, but if the vehicle is proving that difficult to find it may be helpful. A friend of mine used one to find a specific car he was looking for, he said he didn’t pay that much extra and it was worth it because he wanted that vehicle in a specific trim and color that badly.


    Sometimes, dealerships will do that, too. If you go in looking for a car with specific features/options, and they don’t have one on the lot, they’ll do a search to see if there’s one in the area. Then, they’ll try to work out a trade with a dealership that has what you’re looking for.

    This is how we got our Honda Pilot. We found the car we wanted on the Brookdale Honda lot, but in the wrong color. We told them if they can get this in the color we want, and for this price, we will buy it. They drove one down from St Cloud the next day.

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    We asked about the one we looked at in sconnie. They made it sound like it wasn’t an option to pull one from another dealer. Again, likely because there isn’t anything in the metro easy to get. If there was, we’d go buy it ourselves. As I said, it certainly don’t sound like they want our business does it. 😆

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    fightclub30 wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    We have done our homework and know what tax title and license should be – and are working to get financing tomorrow. If they try to add on more money to make up for not financing with them then they just lost our business forever.

    Just make sure on things like the “Documentation Fee” there is a MN Statue that limits them to what they can charge. It used to be $75, but I think it was raised twice recently. It is $125 as of July 1st, 2020. Last time we bought a car, they wanted $400 for this… Just inform them of the MN Statute limiting the maximum fee for that.

    *furiously rifles through paperwork from when we bought our vehicles a few years ago*

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    We asked about the one we looked at in sconnie. They made it sound like it wasn’t an option to pull one from another dealer. Again, likely because there isn’t anything in the metro easy to get. If there was, we’d go buy it ourselves. As I said, it certainly don’t sound like they want our business does it. 😆


    Likely because they want to sell one off their lot. I know when I bought my Colorado, they searched dealer inventories within something like 400 miles to find one with the options I wanted. No one had what I was looking for, so I ended up having to order it.

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    There is something to be said for developing a relationship with a dealer, seems to help as I work through the process. We have bought several of our past cars at Buerkle dealerships, specifically the Acura dealer in Brooklyn Park. The sales person we worked with is wonderful (I actually referred DX to him and his experience was similar) and I would recommend him to anyone looking for an Acura or Honda as he can sell through their Honda/Hyundai dealership, too.

    I am actually going to buy my first ever new vehicle probably sometime in late March/early April and it’s unfortunately not something Buerkle can sell. I have started the process at Roseville GMC and have been impressed so far. The Walser family seems to run good dealerships and the rep we are working with has been very good.

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    I cannot believe how much dealers seem to not want me to buy a vehicle from them. Clearly they hate people who have their own financing.

    This is exactly it. The last I looked into this, the companies made way more money on the financing than they did on the sale of the vehicle itself.

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    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    I cannot believe how much dealers seem to not want me to buy a vehicle from them. Clearly they hate people who have their own financing.

    This is exactly it. The last I looked into this, the companies made way more money on the financing than they did on the sale of the vehicle itself.

    It’s interesting, my wife and I bank at WF and it doesn’t look like they do auto loans anymore. Per their website they suggest asking about financing via WF when discussing financing at the dealer. I am guessing a big reason is banks are not interesting in taking back vehicles, they are not equipped to be in the used car business. Heck, a friend from HS started a business exactly around this, he went from repossessing cars to selling them for financial institutions who don’t want to be stuck with a parking lot of repoed autos and toys.

    For us if we do decide to finance I’ve found the rates we’ve been able to get via the dealer are just as good or better than we could get through any bank or credit union. Helps that our credit rating is wicked high, we financed about half of my wife’s RDX last year and our rate is 1% for a used car.

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    I think a home equity LOC is still deductible.

    I have used one when needed.

    As soon as we started to play the “Sales Manager Game” I would get up and leave. Don’t BS me & act like we are buddies and you will advocate to the SM for us. Nope!

    The guy I have dealt with at North Country told me on our 1st deal he has been doing this for 30 yrs & knows the parameters that they need to be met. I also had priced pick ups in Pine River, Askov, Pine City, & Isanti. The 1st 3 are known for moving PUs. They were all within a couple of hundred $ on the same unit. Isanti? They played the SM / monthly payment game.

    North Country was a couple of hundred lower & threw in an electric brake control on a rig that already had every thing I wanted.

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    MNNavy wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    We asked about the one we looked at in sconnie. They made it sound like it wasn’t an option to pull one from another dealer. Again, likely because there isn’t anything in the metro easy to get. If there was, we’d go buy it ourselves. As I said, it certainly don’t sound like they want our business does it. 😆


    Likely because they want to sell one off their lot. I know when I bought my Colorado, they searched dealer inventories within something like 400 miles to find one with the options I wanted. No one had what I was looking for, so I ended up having to order it.

    I spoke to a different local dealer and they are more than willing to get the first one we looked at in wisco. Won’t even cost us much more – we’ll pretty much break even not having to drive 10 hours to get it! This will screw the asshats at the other dealer too. Crossing fingers. 🤞🏻

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    MNNavy wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    We asked about the one we looked at in sconnie. They made it sound like it wasn’t an option to pull one from another dealer. Again, likely because there isn’t anything in the metro easy to get. If there was, we’d go buy it ourselves. As I said, it certainly don’t sound like they want our business does it. 😆


    Likely because they want to sell one off their lot. I know when I bought my Colorado, they searched dealer inventories within something like 400 miles to find one with the options I wanted. No one had what I was looking for, so I ended up having to order it.

    I spoke to a different local dealer and they are more than willing to get the first one we looked at in wisco. Won’t even cost us much more – we’ll pretty much break even not having to drive 10 hours to get it! This will screw the asshats at the other dealer too. Crossing fingers. 🤞🏻


    Glad things are working out for you.

    :good2:

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    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    I cannot believe how much dealers seem to not want me to buy a vehicle from them. Clearly they hate people who have their own financing.

    This is exactly it. The last I looked into this, the companies made way more money on the financing than they did on the sale of the vehicle itself.

    Financing is 4.8% of revenue but 29% of gross profit for an average dealership

    New car sales are 52.3% of revenue and 14.3% of gross profit

    Source: Fightingchance.com

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    North Country Ford in Coon Rapids is a Luther dealer and has treated us very well. The $$$ was right and service has been fine.

    Pretty sure they sell more Fords than anyone in MN. Must be a reason for that. I have had good experiences there over the last 20 years. Plus, if you go there, you just might see Sioux/Bucky Hater out walking his dog nearby.

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    I still have an Art Goebel Ford keychain from the old dealership that was on CR Blvd. I believe it is a Uhaul storage place now. My parents got a Taurus there not long before it shut down and North Country was going up.

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    Sioux/Bucky Hater wrote:


    Bladepuller wrote:


    North Country Ford in Coon Rapids is a Luther dealer and has treated us very well. The $$$ was right and service has been fine.

    Pretty sure they sell more Fords than anyone in MN. Must be a reason for that. I have had good experiences there over the last 20 years. Plus, if you go there, you just might see Whioux/Bucky Hater out walking his dog nearby.

    You probably are rhe most qualified perdon on GPL to comment abouy the profit center of finance vs unit sales. I know that was awhile ago for you and the “units” were a discretionary buy.

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    davescharf wrote:


    Steve MN wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    I cannot believe how much dealers seem to not want me to buy a vehicle from them. Clearly they hate people who have their own financing.

    This is exactly it. The last I looked into this, the companies made way more money on the financing than they did on the sale of the vehicle itself.

    Financing is 4.8% of revenue but 29% of gross profit for an average dealership

    New car sales are 52.3% of revenue and 14.3% of gross profit

    Source: Fightingchance.com

    That sounds like the kind of numbers I was remembering. Thanks for the confirmation.

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    Bladepuller wrote:


    Whioux/Bucky Hater wrote:


    Bladepuller wrote:


    North Country Ford in Coon Rapids is a Luther dealer and has treated us very well. The $$$ was right and service has been fine.

    Pretty sure they sell more Fords than anyone in MN. Must be a reason for that. I have had good experiences there over the last 20 years. Plus, if you go there, you just might see Whioux/Bucky Hater out walking his dog nearby.

    You probably are rhe most qualified perdon on GPL to comment abouy the profit center of finance vs unit sales. I know that was awhile ago for you and the “units” were a discretionary buy.

    The easiest way to put it is: There is a lot more profit selling a piece of paper than virtually anything else.

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    davescharf wrote:


    Financing is 4.8% of revenue but 29% of gross profit for an average dealership

    New car sales are 52.3% of revenue and 14.3% of gross profit

    Source: Fightingchance.com


    I would think a dealer’s Service Dept would account for a healthy percentage.

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    D2D wrote:


    davescharf wrote:


    Financing is 4.8% of revenue but 29% of gross profit for an average dealership

    New car sales are 52.3% of revenue and 14.3% of gross profit

    Source: Fightingchance.com


    I would think a dealer’s Service Dept would account for a healthy percentage.

    You would think it would have to. When most dealers seem to be charging around $160+/Hour for labor and charging book time vs actual time, and paying mechanics $25-35 an hour?

    I know they take a hit on warranty work, because the brand pays them much less for warranty than what the customer would pay for the same job. Or so that’s what I was told.

    Additionally billing for work that isn’t actually completed in the case of my wife’s car. Yeah, the rear spark plugs on a transverse V6 are a royal PITA to replace, that’s why we took it to you. You assumed I wouldn’t find out until well afterwards, and could likely claim something else was the problem.

    They also tell customers to go 10,000 miles or more on a synthetic blend oil change, say things like Timing chains are a “lifetime” item without needing maintenance or replacement. Yes, it will last the lifetime of the warranty, then you get to pay for it or buy a brand new car from us. It is like dealers don’t want to sell routine maintenance, they want to sell major repairs and replacement vehicles after catastrophic failures.

    I guess John Q Public is probably also culpable. When presented with 2 options, if one has less maintenance they are likely to pick that one.

    I’ve moved to doing all my own maintenance, trouble-shooting, and repair. Fluids are cheap; oil, transmission fluid, etc. A new engine or transmission is not. What’s the saying; “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”?

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    fightclub30 wrote:


    D2D wrote:


    davescharf wrote:


    Financing is 4.8% of revenue but 29% of gross profit for an average dealership

    New car sales are 52.3% of revenue and 14.3% of gross profit

    Source: Fightingchance.com


    I would think a dealer’s Service Dept would account for a healthy percentage.

    You would think it would have to. When most dealers seem to be charging around $160+/Hour for labor and charging book time vs actual time, and paying mechanics $25-35 an hour?

    I know they take a hit on warranty work, because the brand pays them much less for warranty than what the customer would pay for the same job. Or so that’s what I was told.

    Additionally billing for work that isn’t actually completed in the case of my wife’s car. Yeah, the rear spark plugs on a transverse V6 are a royal PITA to replace, that’s why we took it to you. You assumed I wouldn’t find out until well afterwards, and could likely claim something else was the problem.

    They also tell customers to go 10,000 miles or more on a synthetic blend oil change, say things like Timing chains are a “lifetime” item without needing maintenance or replacement. Yes, it will last the lifetime of the warranty, then you get to pay for it or buy a brand new car from us. It is like dealers don’t want to sell routine maintenance, they want to sell major repairs and replacement vehicles after catastrophic failures.

    I guess John Q Public is probably also culpable. When presented with 2 options, if one has less maintenance they are likely to pick that one.

    I’ve moved to doing all my own maintenance, trouble-shooting, and repair. Fluids are cheap; oil, transmission fluid, etc. A new engine or transmission is not. What’s the saying; “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”?

    I love that commercial where the girl is laughing because her dad said, “this is a dipstick”. :biggrin2: I was that girl! My dad made sure I could change a tire, change my oil, top off basic fluids and change an air filter. Believe me that was waaaay before that type of lesson was common for girls. I’ve thanked him many times for providing me the basic knowledge. Plus I just like to know how things work. I may not be able to repair something, but I have working know-how.

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    We asked about the one we looked at in sconnie. They made it sound like it wasn’t an option to pull one from another dealer. Again, likely because there isn’t anything in the metro easy to get. If there was, we’d go buy it ourselves. As I said, it certainly don’t sound like they want our business does it. 😆


    Likely because they want to sell one off their lot. I know when I bought my Colorado, they searched dealer inventories within something like 400 miles to find one with the options I wanted. No one had what I was looking for, so I ended up having to order it.

    I spoke to a different local dealer and they are more than willing to get the first one we looked at in wisco. Won’t even cost us much more – we’ll pretty much break even not having to drive 10 hours to get it! This will screw the asshats at the other dealer too. Crossing fingers. 🤞🏻

    Soooo, the local dealer said we’d hear by 2. They are still negotiating with the sconnie dealer. Bet they know it’s us and are being jerks. At this rate I’ll probably just end up ordering one with everything I want. Will be a bit more than I’d like to spend but maybe that’s what the universe wants. 😂

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    Didn’t there used to be a Consumer Research thread? :wink:

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    davescharf wrote:


    Financing is 4.8% of revenue but 29% of gross profit for an average dealership

    New car sales are 52.3% of revenue and 14.3% of gross profit

    Source: Fightingchance.com


    I would think a dealer’s Service Dept would account for a healthy percentage.

    About 17% of revenue and 47% of profit

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    Didn’t there used to be a Consumer Research thread? :wink:

    It’s funny because the antithesis of simple pleasure is buying a car, but here we are.

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    Sorry :oops:

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    Simple pleasures – the dealer in Wisconsin were a-holes to the dealer we are working with here so they get nothing. I get to custom order a vehicle I’ve wanted for years. And then wait three months. :D 😩

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    It’s funny because the antithesis of simple pleasure is buying a car, but here we are.


    I’ve had a few ‘simple pleasures’ buying a car over the years, but I’ve had a couple of tortuous ones as well. The worst was when I desperately wanted to buy a newly introduced sports car for which the demand far exceeded the supply. But I quickly learned that the few dealers that carried that brand were down to their last one or two that they had available for sale. So I got right on it and was able to negotiate a purchase on a gorgeous blue one, the dealer’s last one until the next model year, and shook hands with the salesman after agreeing to pay list price. This was still a good deal because the car was in tremendous demand, and was arguably underpriced to begin with, at $7,995 list, brand new!* Then, after roughly 5 minutes waiting in the sales guy’s office, he came in and informed me that the car had been sold to someone else. Huh? Well, as it turned out, in those last 5 minutes another buyer came in and presumably offered something higher (above list), and plus he had a late model Corvette that would be traded in as part of the deal…and there went my ‘would be’ simple pleasure!

    I did end up getting the car from a different dealer, but had to pay a little more – around $500 over list as I recall – to get the car I was hell-bent determined to get. But I was still pi$$ed enough at Dealer #1 that I wrote a letter to the State Commerce Dept. explaining what happened. And wouldn’t you know, I never did hear back.

    * Any GPL seniors out there able to identify the make and model of the car? :conf2:

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    I would think default rates are comparatively low on vehicles compared to other forms of uncollateralized credit, such as credit cards or borrowing from family. :) This is America and peeps gotta drive.

    If I had to guess which bill gets paid religiously, I would put my money on the cable bill, maybe even over the cell phone. I mean, t.v. is more important than talking to one’s friends or even eating for that matter. I remember going to the local Comcast store – which, incidentally, looked more dilapidated than the local post office – for a simple cable box exchange. When I got there the line was out the front door. Apparently, I hit the day of the month when people had their cable disconnected because they hadn’t paid their bill on time.

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    * Any GPL seniors out there able to identify the make and model of the car? :conf2:


    280Z? :conf2:

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    JWG wrote:


    It’s funny because the antithesis of simple pleasure is buying a car, but here we are.


    I’ve had a few ‘simple pleasures’ buying a car over the years, but I’ve had a couple of tortuous ones as well. The worst was when I desperately wanted to buy a newly introduced sports car for which the demand far exceeded the supply. But I quickly learned that the few dealers that carried that brand were down to their last one or two that they had available for sale. So I got right on it and was able to negotiate a purchase on a gorgeous blue one, the dealer’s last one until the next model year, and shook hands with the salesman after agreeing to pay list price. This was still a good deal because the car was in tremendous demand, and was arguably underpriced to begin with, at $7,995 list, brand new!* Then, after roughly 5 minutes waiting in the sales guy’s office, he came in and informed me that the car had been sold to someone else. Huh? Well, as it turned out, in those last 5 minutes another buyer came in and presumably offered something higher (above list), and plus he had a late model Corvette that would be traded in as part of the deal…and there went my ‘would be’ simple pleasure!

    I did end up getting the car from a different dealer, but had to pay a little more – around $500 over list as I recall – to get the car I was hell-bent determined to get. But I was still pi$$ed enough at Dealer #1 that I wrote a letter to the State Commerce Dept. explaining what happened. And wouldn’t you know, I never did hear back.

    * Any GPL seniors out there able to identify the make and model of the car? :conf2:

    Pontiac Fiero?

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    D2D wrote:


    JWG wrote:


    It’s funny because the antithesis of simple pleasure is buying a car, but here we are.


    I’ve had a few ‘simple pleasures’ buying a car over the years, but I’ve had a couple of tortuous ones as well. The worst was when I desperately wanted to buy a newly introduced sports car for which the demand far exceeded the supply. But I quickly learned that the few dealers that carried that brand were down to their last one or two that they had available for sale. So I got right on it and was able to negotiate a purchase on a gorgeous blue one, the dealer’s last one until the next model year, and shook hands with the salesman after agreeing to pay list price. This was still a good deal because the car was in tremendous demand, and was arguably underpriced to begin with, at $7,995 list, brand new!* Then, after roughly 5 minutes waiting in the sales guy’s office, he came in and informed me that the car had been sold to someone else. Huh? Well, as it turned out, in those last 5 minutes another buyer came in and presumably offered something higher (above list), and plus he had a late model Corvette that would be traded in as part of the deal…and there went my ‘would be’ simple pleasure!

    I did end up getting the car from a different dealer, but had to pay a little more – around $500 over list as I recall – to get the car I was hell-bent determined to get. But I was still pi$$ed enough at Dealer #1 that I wrote a letter to the State Commerce Dept. explaining what happened. And wouldn’t you know, I never did hear back.

    * Any GPL seniors out there able to identify the make and model of the car? :conf2:

    Smokey and the Bandit car, aka Pontiac Trans Am or Camaro Iroc Z28?

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    D2D wrote:

    * Any GPL seniors out there able to identify the make and model of the car? :conf2:


    280Z? :conf2:


    Close, but even the 240Z was priced higher than ……

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    Pontiac Fiero?


    HaHaHa nice/funny try!

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    Corvair Monza Spyder

    Only because:

    1) A Corvette was traded. Implies a Chevy dealer.

    2) They were called ” The Poormans Porsche”.

    Money seems way off though & my 1st guess of a Z28 was not right.

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    1984 Camaro IROC Sports Coupe

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    Didn’t know where to put this, but it’s epic. Bryant Lake Bowl.

    https://twitter.com/skycandystudios/status/1369014828262637570

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    Simple pleasures – the dealer in Wisconsin were a-holes to the dealer we are working with here so they get nothing. I get to custom order a vehicle I’ve wanted for years. And then wait three months. :D 😩


    Cool that you get to order a new one. Not cool that the WI dealer would not do the dealer trade with the MN dealer. If you told the WI dealer where you were from, they absolutely knew the trade request was for you. Shame on them. You reap what you sow.

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    1984 Camaro IROC Sports Coupe


    No on both the Corvair and Camero (although my father had a Corvair, on which I learned to drive a stick).

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    1984 Camaro IROC Sports Coupe


    No on both the Corvair and Camero (although my father had a Corvair, on which I learned to drive a stick).


    Me too, 1st car I drove was a Corvair with a 3 speed stick shift! Trunk in the front, engine in the back, bright blue exterior!

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    Hint on my above “Simple Pleasure”: It had a different type of engine (and no, not steam! :lol: )

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    No year of the deal so another WAG would be a true Shelby American, a blue GT 350. Blue also was a preferred color.

    Edit: After seeing the hint there simply were only a few Wankel engined cars.

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    No year of the deal so another WAG would be a true Shelby American, a blue GT 350. Blue also was a preferred color.

    Edit: After seeing the hint there simply were only a few Wankel engined cars.

    I was going to say Mustang but don’t really remember seeing blue ones. Then again, I’m not a resident senior so maybe my guess doesn’t count. In any case, $8K for a new sports car. This has to go a ways back.

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    No year of the deal so another WAG would be a true Shelby American, a blue GT 350. Blue also was a preferred color.

    Edit: After seeing the hint there simply were only a few Wankel engined cars.


    Yep, a Mazda RX-7. :)

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    Bladepuller wrote:


    No year of the deal so another WAG would be a true Shelby American, a blue GT 350. Blue also was a preferred color.

    Edit: After seeing the hint there simply were only a few Wankel engined cars.


    Yep, a Mazda RX-7. :)

    I couldn’t pull up the model ( RX) much less number 7 or 8. I never drove one. I heard they were fast. An interesting trivia factoid is a Norton motorcycle in that era also was Wankel powered.

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    Bladepuller wrote:


    No year of the deal so another WAG would be a true Shelby American, a blue GT 350. Blue also was a preferred color.

    Edit: After seeing the hint there simply were only a few Wankel engined cars.


    Yep, a Mazda RX-7. :)

    As soon as U dropped that hint…RX-7 popped into my head. Had a rotary engine (whatever that is) 😲 What I remember is when they 1st came out, the styling was terrific & ahead of its time 👍

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    Bladepuller wrote:


    No year of the deal so another WAG would be a true Shelby American, a blue GT 350. Blue also was a preferred color.

    Edit: After seeing the hint there simply were only a few Wankel engined cars.


    Yep, a Mazda RX-7. :)

    I was in the ‘hood but wasn’t able to pull that one from the deep, dark, recesses. What year?

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    Simple pleasures – the dealer in Wisconsin were a-holes to the dealer we are working with here so they get nothing. I get to custom order a vehicle I’ve wanted for years. And then wait three months. :D 😩


    Cool that you get to order a new one. Not cool that the WI dealer would not do the dealer trade with the MN dealer. If you told the WI dealer where you were from, they absolutely knew the trade request was for you. Shame on them. You reap what you sow.

    Pretty sure they knew it was us, but even the local dealer basically said without saying it that they were assholes – he did say they were completely crazy and unreasonable. I’m a little disappointed as it means a few extra K out of our pockets but glad to screw them. 😆

    Do not ever try to do business with Palmen motors in Kenosha. I think we’ve crossed Belzer’s off the list for the future too.

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    Whioux/Bucky Hater wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Simple pleasures – the dealer in Wisconsin were a-holes to the dealer we are working with here so they get nothing. I get to custom order a vehicle I’ve wanted for years. And then wait three months. :D 😩


    Cool that you get to order a new one. Not cool that the WI dealer would not do the dealer trade with the MN dealer. If you told the WI dealer where you were from, they absolutely knew the trade request was for you. Shame on them. You reap what you sow.

    Pretty sure they knew it was us, but even the local dealer basically said without saying it that they were assholes – he did say they were completely crazy and unreasonable. I’m a little disappointed as it means a few extra K out of our pockets but glad to screw them. 😆

    Do not ever try to do business with Palmen motors in Kenosha. I think we’ve crossed Belzer’s off the list for the future too.

    Make sure to write reviews of your experience online so others are aware. Don’t exaggerate, but tell people exactly what happened and how that made you feel.

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    Cowgirl wrote:


    Whioux/Bucky Hater wrote:


    Cowgirl wrote:


    Simple pleasures – the dealer in Wisconsin were a-holes to the dealer we are working with here so they get nothing. I get to custom order a vehicle I’ve wanted for years. And then wait three months. :D 😩


    Cool that you get to order a new one. Not cool that the WI dealer would not do the dealer trade with the MN dealer. If you told the WI dealer where you were from, they absolutely knew the trade request was for you. Shame on them. You reap what you sow.

    Pretty sure they knew it was us, but even the local dealer basically said without saying it that they were assholes – he did say they were completely crazy and unreasonable. I’m a little disappointed as it means a few extra K out of our pockets but glad to screw them. 😆

    Do not ever try to do business with Palmen motors in Kenosha. I think we’ve crossed Belzer’s off the list for the future too.

    Make sure to write reviews of your experience online so others are aware. Don’t exaggerate, but tell people exactly what happened and how that made you feel.

    Isn’t sharing that here enough? :mrgreen:

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    I am all about making people pay for being assholes and giving credit to those who go the extra mile.

    I also rely heavily on customer reviews.

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    Sioux/Bucky Hater wrote:


    Bladepuller wrote:


    No year of the deal so another WAG would be a true Shelby American, a blue GT 350. Blue also was a preferred color.

    Edit: After seeing the hint there simply were only a few Wankel engined cars.

    I was going to say Mustang but don’t really remember seeing blue ones. Then again, I’m not a resident senior so maybe my guess doesn’t count. In any case, $8K for a new sports car. This has to go a ways back.

    I had a blue 1966 Mustang. 289 engine, went like hell.

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    I went with my wife to help her pick out glasses today and a kindergarten aged girl was picking up her first pair of glasses. As she put them on she expressed her amazement to “see the glasses” at the far end of the store.

    I can only imagine how neat it will be for her to notice things she’s never been able to see before.

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    I went with my wife to help her pick out glasses today and a kindergarten aged girl was picking up her first pair of glasses. As she put them on she expressed her amazement to “see the glasses” at the far end of the store.

    I can only imagine how neat it will be for her to notice things she’s never been able to see before.

    I could watch the videos that show people 1. Putting on properly prescribed glasses, 2. Glasses that enable the colorblind to see color, or 3. Have an ear implant turned on for the first time all day.

    I’d be a complete mess, but a good mess. :lol:

    I just can’t imagine the rush caused by finally sensing something you know others have been.

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    Karlsson wrote:


    Bertogliat wrote:


    I went with my wife to help her pick out glasses today and a kindergarten aged girl was picking up her first pair of glasses. As she put them on she expressed her amazement to “see the glasses” at the far end of the store.

    I can only imagine how neat it will be for her to notice things she’s never been able to see before.

    I could watch the videos that show people 1. Putting on properly prescribed glasses, 2. Glasses that enable the colorblind to see color, or 3. Have an ear implant turned on for the first time all day.

    I’d be a complete mess, but a good mess. :lol:

    I just can’t imagine the rush caused by finally sensing something you know others have been.

    There are very cool videos out there of people (especially kids) achieving full site or hearing for the very first time. Enough to kick up clouds of dust. I am sure GE amongst all of us has witnessed that first hand.

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    I’ve seen the same things with people who have trembles or other things like Parkinson’s. When they turn the device on and you see the instant difference it’s hard to keep the room from getting dusty

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    When Youngest Eagle had her Cochlear Implants activated she just giggled, especially during the first one. I was a puddle. One of the most amazing experiences I’ve ever had. She got her first implant as a HS sophomore and her second during her senior year. She’s now in grad school for Library Science and working 80% as a librarian for SPPL. The kid is amazing

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    When Youngest Eagle had her Cochlear Implants activated she just giggled, especially during the first one. I was a puddle. One of the most amazing experiences I’ve ever had. She got her first implant as a HS sophomore and her second during her senior year. She’s now in grad school for Library Science and working 80% as a librarian for SPPL. The kid is amazing

    It’s an amazing story, Sean. I’ve never met her yet the story still puts a lump in my throat. Happy for you all.

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