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Mankato is a bigger rival. Michigan State is just a team the Gophers play all the time. Least buzz of all conference opponents and that says a lot.
EXACTLY…I realize it’s comforting for (select) Gopher fans to dis Mankato, but the last 5 years they’ve been way more relevant an opponent than Michigan State…having ended two consecutive promising Gopher seasons (to boot) that’s called REALITY…even if (some) choose to reference games that represent long past history (pre 1980’s) to make a counter argument.
The last couple of years, certainly the games against Mankato have been more meaningful than against Michigan state.
Rather than going to pre-history, I’ll just go to when Mankato joined the WCHA in the 1999-2000 season, since then, the Gophers have played Mankato 57 times, and Michigan State 53. Including at least one game every year against Michigan state, which can’t be said about Mankato, as the Gophers and Mankato didn’t play each other at all in 2018 or 2020.
Other than the NCAA games the last two years, that makes Mankato and MSU roughly even since the Gophers started playing Mankato in the conference, with MSU taking the edge due to much longer history.
So, no, I don’t consider Mankato to be a huge rival.
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I didn’t know we were talking about the size of the rivalry… I said “bigger”, and bigger is relative. Ask 100 Gopher hockey fans who they’d rather see a series against, and I know who the winner will be.
Gopher fans that actually go to games? Or the ones that never let go of the WCHA?
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I didn’t know we were talking about the size of the rivalry… I said “bigger”, and bigger is relative. Ask 100 Gopher hockey fans who they’d rather see a series against, and I know who the winner will be.
Gopher fans that actually go to games? Or the ones that never let go of the WCHA?
Go to games
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I didn’t know we were talking about the size of the rivalry… I said “bigger”, and bigger is relative. Ask 100 Gopher hockey fans who they’d rather see a series against, and I know who the winner will be.
Gopher fans that actually go to games? Or the ones that never let go of the WCHA?
Go to games
Pretty sure that answer would be closer than you think, but you’re choosing the right people to think about, rather than the ones that are more concerned with who the opponent is than cheering for the Gophers.
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I realize there is a proximity factor involved and they have fielded some good teams as of late but… Mankato isn’t a rival for us. We don’t play in the same conference, we don’t have a major/lengthy history with them, we haven’t had many important games against one another, etc. Heck, we (largely) don’t even compete with one another for the same recruits.
Some people use the word “rival’ way too loosely to try to make a point. Mankato really isn’t any more of a “rival” than Michigan State in the grand scheme of things.
You have to draw the line somewhere with that term and nobody in their right mind would put Mankato or Michigan State in the same category of “rival” for us as compared to UW, Michigan, UND, etc… comparing two teams that are competitors of ours but more on the fringe (in terms of emotional importance) is splitting hairs.
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I didn’t know we were talking about the size of the rivalry… I said “bigger”, and bigger is relative. Ask 100 Gopher hockey fans who they’d rather see a series against, and I know who the winner will be.
This dovetails to the more meaningful? “Who is the Gophers biggest rival? Despite conference realignment, IHMO it’s 1. North Dakota 2. Wisconsin 3.(& beyond) Everybody has their own opinion on the order (with Mankato & Michigan State being far, far down that list) ☝️
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I realize there is a proximity factor involved and they have fielded some good teams as of late but… Mankato isn’t a rival for us. We don’t play in the same conference, we don’t have a major/lengthy history with them, we haven’t had many important games against one another, etc. Heck, we (largely) don’t even compete with one another for the same recruits. Some people use the word “rival’ way too loosely to try to make a point. Mankato really isn’t any more of a “rival” than Michigan State in the grand scheme of things. You have to draw the line somewhere with that term and nobody in their right mind would put Mankato or Michigan State in the same category of “rival” for us as compared to UW, Michigan, UND, etc… comparing two teams that are competitors of ours but more on the fringe (in terms of emotional importance) is splitting hairs.
Yup this makes sense. If you draw a line at legit rivalry (like 5 or so teams), neither of them are there.
In alphabetical order the rivalry contenders: ND, SCSU, UM, UMD, UND, uw. And over time with fewer meetings SCSU may degrade and get replaced by the more intense of OSU/PSU.
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T1: UND/uw T3: UM/UMD If you want to draw the line those are your real rivals IMO.
While I agree with you on T3…something tells me this take will be dismissed by some & likely piss off others 😉
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I ask again though, for those of you ranking what you perceive as our biggest rivals, what are you using as the criteria? Is it your opinion, some sort of measurable statistics, being in a certain conference, recruiting ground battles, how many people you know from the other fan base that say they hate they Gophers?!
I’m just curious because I think everyone might have some slightly different ideas as to what makes a team a rival, and these can certainly be fluid over time.
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I understand completely about regional schools being a rival while not being an in-conference rival. In the state of Iowa there is clearly a divide in the state and a rivalry between Iowa and Iowa State. You have the B1G on one hand and then the Big 12, 8, 25 or 6 to 4 depending on if it is a even or odd year for that other schools’ conference affiliation. The BIG difference between what is being discussed about hockey rivalries and true school rivalries is based on how much competition is between the two schools in question.
Back to the Iowa vs. Iowa State debate, they compete every year in every sport that each college plays or damn near. They play for the Cy-Hawk Series trophy that goes to which ever school wins in the 12 competitive D1 sports. Iowa State won this year with sweeping basketball and the minor sports. The Cy-Hawk Series trophy only goes back to the early 2000’s but interschool competition for Iowa and Iowa State goes back decades.
That is a basis of a rivalry…to me.
I know this discussion is based solely on hockey so I would completely agree with those that are saying Michigan, Wisconsin, and North Dakota are our true rivals because their is history…long history. History to me is what makes a rivalry. Just because Mankato is good now doesn’t make a rivalry to me. Now to them it is but they have different optics than the Gophers do. So that is where I agree with what was said about asking the athletes who their rivals are. Do I think any Mankato player would list Ferris State as a rival? Nope. They would list the Gophers in a heartbeat though.
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I ask again though, for those of you ranking what you perceive as our biggest rivals, what are you using as the criteria? Is it your opinion, some sort of measurable statistics, being in a certain conference, recruiting ground battles, how many people you know from the other fan base that say they hate they Gophers?! I’m just curious because I think everyone might have some slightly different ideas as to what makes a team a rival, and these can certainly be fluid over time.
Long history with “spirited” competition i think is a major factor. The longer teams have had intense competition with one another that then leaks down into animosity in the fanbases is a good indicator of rivalry.
Recruiting ground battles would be another high factor
In some ways you may factor in competition in other sports which can aid to a rivalry–that obviously trends towards the big ten schools for us–especially Wisconsin and Michigan.
But you are right, everyone can have their own opinions on what constitutes a rival. But I’m guessing as an average of the fan base will lead you to a top 2 of UND and Wisconsin for sure with UMD and Michigan not far behind. St. Cloud is an interesting one, but they feel to me at least like they still don’t quite have the animosity that UMD does–which may be due to a longer history and their recent success.
Agree that Notre Dame is on the upswing at least for hockey reasons.
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Breaking- per my sources, Providence head coach Nate Leaman interviewed with BC earlier this week and is a leading candidate for the job. Leaman won a national title at PC in 2015.
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I believe there are three finalists for the job- Leaman, Greg Brown, and Mark Dennehy. The candidates will meet individually with Father Leahy. AD Pat Kraft is leaving to take the Penn State job.
— BC Hockey Blog (@BCHockeyBlogger) April 28, 2022
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Jan Brady appears to be losing an assistant.
Updated this story: The Fargo Force are finalizing a deal to bring Roseau grad and St. Cloud State assistant Nick Oliver aboard as their next head coach after parting ways with Scott Langer. https://t.co/NrddZQOWsP
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Per Schlossman WMU coach in the running for Sparty job.
Western Michigan coach Pat Ferschweiler is among the candidates to be the next head coach at Michigan State, which parted ways with Danton Cole last month.
Ferschweiler was a highly successful recruiter at Western Michigan under coach Andy Murray. This year, in his first season as the head coach, Ferschweiler led the Broncos to their first NCAA tournament victory in program history
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USHL HC makes more than Minnesota D1 assistant coach?
Something goofy is going on with the Fargo franchise. Last year one of the Lamoreaux kids quit as head coach. They then bring in a guy who coached in the NAHL and was like 50-4 last year with his NAHL team. He coached Fargo for 1 year and they made the playoffs, but they fired him after 1 year. Seems odd, but Cary Eades is the Fargo GM, so that may be part of it.
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I don't quite understand what Michigan's strategy is here, but this is a fascinating situation https://t.co/cSf6jyIlpW
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Brisson has now officially signed
He had signed an ATO with Vegas AHL team after he left Michigan for salary cap reasons.
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I can’t help but wonder if any of these guys left because of the uncertainty around Mel Pearson. I know at least some of them stayed a year longer than they normally would have because of COVID, but not every blue chipper bolts after a year.
Speaking of which, just over 3 hours left on Mel’s contract, assuming it expires midnight Eastern Time. Unless they’ve quietly extended him (which seems unlikely), Michigan seems keen on letting him go with as little media attention as possible.
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I can’t help but wonder if any of these guys left because of the uncertainty around Mel Pearson. I know at least some of them stayed a year longer than they normally would have because of COVID, but not every blue chipper bolts after a year. Speaking of which, just over 3 hours left on Mel’s contract, assuming it expires midnight Eastern Time. Unless they’ve quietly extended him (which seems unlikely), Michigan seems keen on letting him go with as little media attention as possible.
And just like that…poof, he’s gone.
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Maybe the insane recruiting is going to make the higher ups look past the bad things?
Michigan Athletics confirmed to me today that Mel Pearson currently remains the @umichhockey coach:
“Mel is our head coach. We will broadly communicate any changes to his contract when that is finalized.”
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So, is Mel’s punishment (wink wink) from the higher ups in the Michigan Athletic Dept just letting him twist in the wind for a few days and then giving him a 1 or 2 year deal as “punishment” or are they still going to part ways with him? The longer it drags out, I sense that they will re-sign him but I hope I’m wrong.
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Swedes stun USAby Derek O’Brien<span class=”s-separator”>|</span>01 MAY 2022PHOTO: CHRIS TANOUYE/HHOF-IIHF IMAGESSweden beat USA 6-4 today in under 18 championship, USA out shot Sweden 54-15<section class=”m-text is-full” data-fwk-module=”Text”>
<p lang=”en-US”>They knew they were underdogs going into the game and came up with a monumental effort in the final. Before a packed house at Fanatec Arena in Landshut, Germany, Sweden defeated the USA 6-4 to win the 2022 IIHF Ice Hockey U18 World Championship. Noah Ostlund and Liam Ohgren each scored twice in the winning effort, as did U.S. captain Rutger McGroarty.The Americans outshot Sweden 51-15 but Hugo Havelid, the goaltender on the tournament all-star team, came up with a monster game just 24 hours after styming Finland in the semi-finals.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>The USA came storming out of the gate, dominated the early minutes and scored the first goal at 2:24 when Devin Kaplan made a cross-ice pass to Ryan Leonard, who connected on the one-timer.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>The Swedes had a chance to tie it on a power play but the best scoring chance went to the Americans when Kaplan got a shorthanded breakaway but was stopped by Havelid.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>Sweden then struck twice just over a minute apart to tie it and take the lead. Called Odelius forced a turnover at the U.S. blueline and found Oskar Pettersson, who beat Augustine off the rush high to the blocker side. Then they went ahead on a brilliant individual effort from Ostlund.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>Starting the play deep in his own zone, Ostlund made a pass out from the corner and then got on his horse, skated up ice and got the puck back just inside the attacking blueline, taking a pass from Jonathan Lekkerimaki. Ostlund then split the U.S. defence and then sent a backhander over Augustine’s glove.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>But with 4:04 to play in the period, the Americans tied it on a goal Havelid might like back. Frank Nazar picked up the puck at his own blueline and carried it all the way, deep enough that it looked like he had no angle, then took a shot from a bad angle that beat the Swedish goalie under the arm.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>In a four-minute span in the last half of the second period, a combination of missed opportunities and a string of penalties put the Americans down by a pair of goals.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>Cruz Lucius made a long breakaway pass to McGroarty, who tried to go five-hole on Havelid but was stopped. Less than a minute later, with Sweden on the power play, Charlie Stramel got a shorthanded breakaway and missed the net. Later on the same power play, Liam Ohgren ripped a shot from the faceoff circle through Augustine’s legs to put Sweden back in front with 8:01 left in the middle frame.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>Then penalties to Nazar and Cutter Gauthier 53 seconds apart put Sweden up by two men and they cashed in again. First Ostlund tried to shoot backhand through his legs but was denied. Then after shot attempts by Pettersson and Mattias Havelid were stopped, Augustine was leaning the wrong way and Ostlund had a clear lane to pot his second of the game on the rebound with 4:46 to go.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>Just 49 seconds later, the USA came back to within one while the teams were skating 4-on-4, with McGroarty going top corner on a one-time set-up by Logan Cooley.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>Early in the third period it was the Americans who got a couple of overlapping power plays and they got some zone time and some looks, but the Swedish penalty killing was solid and Havelid was in the zone. The Americans continued to press back at even strength, still just a goal away from tying it, but the fifth Swedish goal midway through the final period put them in a precarious spot.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>On the rush, Ohgren and Lekkerimaki worked a beautiful give-and-go, with Ohgren finishing with a backhand deke to make it 5-3 with 10:19 to play.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>When the USA went back to the power play with 3:30 left, Adam Nightingale pulled Augustine for a sixth attacker and a two-man numerical advantage and it paid off. McGroarty had one goal already but he had also been robbed by Havelid a couple of times. This time, Jimmy Snuggerud found him for the one-timer from right in front that went through the Swedish goalie.</p>
<p lang=”en-US”>But they came no closer. Lekkerimaki iced it with 31.9 seconds left into the empty U.S. net. Chasing Lekkerimaki in vain was McGroarty, diving in vain.</p></section>
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Mel just posted this. He doesn’t act like he is going anywhere and seems to be trolling.
Not a bad haul this year . Never satisfied . Tomorrow we start spring term looking to get better 🏋🏽♀️🏋🏻 Can’t wait !
〽️GoBlue🏒🥅🚨 pic.twitter.com/LHYHxYYRaE— Mel Pearson (@CoachPearsonUM) May 2, 2022
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There is a semifinalist trophy? Lame.
Gophers got one this year too. Pretty sure it’s on a shelf somewhere, but they sure don’t display the things.
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Isn’t he technically not their coach as his contract expired? I understand they could obviously sign him to a new one at any point, but technically there isn’t a coach, is there?
He doesn’t have to have a contract. It just means either party could end the employment at any time without penalty.
I want to say either Woog or Lucia worked as the coach and the U for a while without a contract.
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He will continue to be the undisputed, most hated coach in college hockey. Every sport needs a villain and he is it. Also, where is the GLI “dodging opponents” trophy?
It’s the 3rd place trophy. They have been giving that out to the losing semi-finalists since 1990. The 3rd place game ended after 1989 when Maine and Michigan State played essentially a WWE style game.
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It’s the 3rd place trophy. They have been giving that out to the losing semi-finalists since 1990. The 3rd place game ended after 1989 when Maine and Michigan State played essentially a WWE style game.
Semifinalist <> 3rd place
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What a smug little man…
Its times like this where I feel it’s necessary to bring out this stat.
Accomplishments since joining the B1G:
Gophers: 5 conference titles, 2 tournament titles
Michigan: 2 tournament titles
They are simply not as good as they think they are.
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Illinois Drops Plans to Add D-I Hockey – https://t.co/fHOD9Q7gOK
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Just add ASU to the B1G now.
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Shocker. Just add UMD.
Their education standards do not align with the BigTen.
Are those documented somewhere?
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Wasn’t there a rumor summer of 2020 that the B1G was looking to add an existing blue blood program to the conference? I think it was a Gopher Illustrated article that predicted one of Denver, North Dakota, or UMD would be added to the B1G. I know it sounds far fetched and that was only two times I heard that rumor BUT it was the same guy who correctly called Notre Dame joining the B1G.
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Shocker. Just add UMD.
Their education standards do not align with the BigTen.
Are those documented somewhere?
Normally Big Ten members need to be AAU members. Not sure how that works for hockey “guests” but I do believe Notre Dame is in the AAU. Nebraska was in the AAU when they joined but later got kicked out.
ASU is not even AAU (due to low selectivity) and UMD is nowhere near AAU.
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Wasn’t there a rumor summer of 2020 that the B1G was looking to add an existing blue blood program to the conference? I think it was a Gopher Illustrated article that predicted one of Denver, North Dakota, or UMD would be added to the B1G. I know it sounds far fetched and that was only two times I heard that rumor BUT it was the same guy who correctly called Notre Dame joining the B1G.
Awhile back this year I posted some UND fans demands what UND should ask to join the BIG. It was pretty funny. I’m trying to find it and repost.
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Normally Big Ten members need to be AAU members. Not sure how that works for hockey “guests” but I do believe Notre Dame is in the AAU. Nebraska was in the AAU when they joined but later got kicked out. ASU is not even AAU (due to low selectivity) and UMD is nowhere near AAU.
Notre Dame is not in the AAU. John Hopkins (lacrosse) is an AAU as well. If I recall Nebraska was dismissed when Nebraska moved there medical school to Omaha. I could be wrong.
Though for “guest” members I would bet it has to do with other education factors. As well as what you can bring to the BIG, not what the BIG can do for you. UMD and especially UND brings nothing to the table for the BIG.
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Isn’t he technically not their coach as his contract expired? I understand they could obviously sign him to a new one at any point, but technically there isn’t a coach, is there?
He doesn’t have to have a contract. It just means either party could end the employment at any time without penalty. I want to say either Woog or Lucia worked as the coach and the U for a while without a contract.
Does he still get paid?
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Shocker. Just add UMD.
Their education standards do not align with the BigTen.
Are those documented somewhere?
Normally Big Ten members need to be AAU members. Not sure how that works for hockey “guests” but I do believe Notre Dame is in the AAU. Nebraska was in the AAU when they joined but later got kicked out. ASU is not even AAU (due to low selectivity) and UMD is nowhere near AAU.
I might be in the minority here but I have zero interest in ASU even if they were qualified. Garbage program.
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There is a semifinalist trophy? Lame.
Gophers got one this year too. Pretty sure it’s on a shelf somewhere, but they sure don’t display the things.
There’s a pair of simple display cases on the concourse, one by the ATM and one by the East elevator, that hold the silver (runner up) and bronze (3rd place/semifinalist) trophies. Though I don’t know if they’ve been putting the recent ones in there.
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There is a semifinalist trophy? Lame.
Gophers got one this year too. Pretty sure it’s on a shelf somewhere, but they sure don’t display the things.
There’s a pair of simple display cases on the concourse, one by the ATM and one by the East elevator, that hold the silver (runner up) and bronze (3rd place/semifinalist) trophies. Though I don’t know if they’ve been putting the recent ones in there.
They haven’t put any new ones in those cases for 15+ years at the least.
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There is a semifinalist trophy? Lame.
Gophers got one this year too. Pretty sure it’s on a shelf somewhere, but they sure don’t display the things.
There’s a pair of simple display cases on the concourse, one by the ATM and one by the East elevator, that hold the silver (runner up) and bronze (3rd place/semifinalist) trophies. Though I don’t know if they’ve been putting the recent ones in there.
They haven’t put any new ones in those cases for 15+ years at the least.
Yeah, I don’t recall seeing any trophies of the current design in there the last time I walked by them.
Though now that I think of it, par for the course is to have the trophy sit in the office, so the one from Boston is probably there now.
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