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    Gleeman on Sano:

    What, if anything, is Miguel Sanó worth on the trade market? — Jim N.

    Sanó has negative trade value, meaning the Twins would have to cover most or all of his remaining contract just to unload him for little or nothing in return.

    We’re about to see this situation come to a head in the next few days, because the 20-day window for Sanó’s minor-league rehab assignment is almost closed. Once his rehab assignment ends, the Twins will have to clear room for him on the active roster or say goodbye, via trade, waivers or outright release. I believe there’s a decent chance we’ve seen the last of Sanó in a Twins uniform.

    There’s zero reason for the Twins to send down a promising, productive young hitter like Alex Kirilloff or Jose Miranda to make room for Sanó, who’s unlikely to be a short-term upgrade and clearly not in the long-term plans. Kyle Garlick is a right-handed bench bat, a role Sanó could also fill in theory, except Garlick crushes lefties and can play the outfield, two key differences.

    Nick Gordon is out of minor-league options, so the Twins can’t send him down without risking losing him on waivers. Even if they were open to doing that to make room for Sanó, the role Gordon fills as a backup shortstop, backup center fielder and platoon left fielder isn’t replicated by Sanó in any way. Gordon may be expendable, but he has more day-to-day utility than Sanó on this roster.

    Gilberto Celestino can be sent to the minors and has struggled recently after a hot start to the season. If the Twins are dead set on welcoming back Sanó, then demoting Celestino is the most logical way to make room. However, it would require using Gordon a lot more in center field and it would make the bench a lot less flexible without Celestino’s glove and speed.

    I’m not even sure the Twins are a better team with Sanó at this point. I’m also not sure they care to find out. They’d love to trade Sanó for anything of value and move on. But they might end up moving on even if they can’t find a taker.

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    8-1 Twinkies in the 9th

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    Border Gopher wrote…

    Gleeman on Sano:

    What, if anything, is Miguel Sanó worth on the trade market? — Jim N.

    Sanó has negative trade value, meaning the Twins would have to cover most or all of his remaining contract just to unload him for little or nothing in return.

    We’re about to see this situation come to a head in the next few days, because the 20-day window for Sanó’s minor-league rehab assignment is almost closed. Once his rehab assignment ends, the Twins will have to clear room for him on the active roster or say goodbye, via trade, waivers or outright release. I believe there’s a decent chance we’ve seen the last of Sanó in a Twins uniform.

    There’s zero reason for the Twins to send down a promising, productive young hitter like Alex Kirilloff or Jose Miranda to make room for Sanó, who’s unlikely to be a short-term upgrade and clearly not in the long-term plans. Kyle Garlick is a right-handed bench bat, a role Sanó could also fill in theory, except Garlick crushes lefties and can play the outfield, two key differences.

    Nick Gordon is out of minor-league options, so the Twins can’t send him down without risking losing him on waivers. Even if they were open to doing that to make room for Sanó, the role Gordon fills as a backup shortstop, backup center fielder and platoon left fielder isn’t replicated by Sanó in any way. Gordon may be expendable, but he has more day-to-day utility than Sanó on this roster.

    Gilberto Celestino can be sent to the minors and has struggled recently after a hot start to the season. If the Twins are dead set on welcoming back Sanó, then demoting Celestino is the most logical way to make room. However, it would require using Gordon a lot more in center field and it would make the bench a lot less flexible without Celestino’s glove and speed.

    I’m not even sure the Twins are a better team with Sanó at this point. I’m also not sure they care to find out. They’d love to trade Sanó for anything of value and move on. But they might end up moving on even if they can’t find a taker.

    I’ll admit I’ve had a very high level of FOMO with Sano.  He’s been a top prospect for so long and seemed to have enormous potential. I couldn’t stand watching him go to another team only to be the second coming of Big Papi.  But it seems the day has come where the Twins could be hurt by keeping him on the roster, so…adios!

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    Bertogliat wrote…
    Border Gopher wrote…

    Gleeman on Sano:

    What, if anything, is Miguel Sanó worth on the trade market? — Jim N.

    Sanó has negative trade value, meaning the Twins would have to cover most or all of his remaining contract just to unload him for little or nothing in return.

    We’re about to see this situation come to a head in the next few days, because the 20-day window for Sanó’s minor-league rehab assignment is almost closed. Once his rehab assignment ends, the Twins will have to clear room for him on the active roster or say goodbye, via trade, waivers or outright release. I believe there’s a decent chance we’ve seen the last of Sanó in a Twins uniform.

    There’s zero reason for the Twins to send down a promising, productive young hitter like Alex Kirilloff or Jose Miranda to make room for Sanó, who’s unlikely to be a short-term upgrade and clearly not in the long-term plans. Kyle Garlick is a right-handed bench bat, a role Sanó could also fill in theory, except Garlick crushes lefties and can play the outfield, two key differences.

    Nick Gordon is out of minor-league options, so the Twins can’t send him down without risking losing him on waivers. Even if they were open to doing that to make room for Sanó, the role Gordon fills as a backup shortstop, backup center fielder and platoon left fielder isn’t replicated by Sanó in any way. Gordon may be expendable, but he has more day-to-day utility than Sanó on this roster.

    Gilberto Celestino can be sent to the minors and has struggled recently after a hot start to the season. If the Twins are dead set on welcoming back Sanó, then demoting Celestino is the most logical way to make room. However, it would require using Gordon a lot more in center field and it would make the bench a lot less flexible without Celestino’s glove and speed.

    I’m not even sure the Twins are a better team with Sanó at this point. I’m also not sure they care to find out. They’d love to trade Sanó for anything of value and move on. But they might end up moving on even if they can’t find a taker.

    I’ll admit I’ve had a very high level of FOMO with Sano.  He’s been a top prospect for so long and seemed to have enormous potential. I couldn’t stand watching him go to another team only to be the second coming of Big Papi.  But it seems the day has come where the Twins could be hurt by keeping him on the roster, so…adios!

    With the way Miranda has been hitting the ball since his (very) brief send down, it makes the Sano upcoming DFA almost automatic. Whether another team claims him will remain to be seen. He has been absolutely destroying the ball at AAA in his rehab stint (8/23 with 3 HRs and 2 2Bs for an OPS of 1.249). The only real argument to bringing Sano up and sending Celestino back down would be that the offense hasn’t exactly been dominant this year and Sano has the chance to put a run up on the board every time he’s in the box.

    It would likely mean Arraez plays more in the outfield as well. They could use Kiriloff in RF, Kepler in CF, and Arraez in LF on Buxton’s days off just as easily as Kiriloff in LF, Gordon in CF, and Kepler in RF. Celestino has gone ice cold since his hot start and doesn’t offer a ton of pop (yet).

    IMO, the Celestino down, Sano in will be the best option. Let Celestino go down and get more consistent at-bats and see if Sano can carry over the hot streak he’s had in his rehab (albeit against significantly worse pitching). If Sano comes up and struggles like he did at the beginning of the season then you just DFA him or trade him at the deadline and bring Celestino back up. Either way you’re likely going to eat a good chunk of his remaining salary so you may as well see if he can get on the hot streak he usually gets on once a year and put a jump into the offense.

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    It’s good to see the opinion of me and other GPL members finally accepted: Sano doesn’t produce the numbers and lacks the durability to be a cornerstone. Buck may have the durability issues, but he has the production, reputation and lack of off the field bull that make Sano so releasable.

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    Thirty-Four wrote…

    It’s good to see the opinion of me and other GPL members finally accepted: Sano doesn’t produce the numbers and lacks the durability to be a cornerstone. Buck may have the durability issues, but he has the production, reputation and lack of off the field bull that make Sano so releasable.

    David Ortiz didn’t have the numbers and durability either…..until he did.

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    Bertogliat wrote…
    Thirty-Four wrote…

    It’s good to see the opinion of me and other GPL members finally accepted: Sano doesn’t produce the numbers and lacks the durability to be a cornerstone. Buck may have the durability issues, but he has the production, reputation and lack of off the field bull that make Sano so releasable.

    David Ortiz didn’t have the numbers and durability either…..until he started juicing.

     

    Fixed your post.

     

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    Ortiz’s numbers in MN weren’t terrible (.266/.348/.461 career as a Twin, with 48 HRs over his last 3 seasons here where he played 345 games). Bear in mind that was also under the coaching staff that basically told him he wasn’t allowed to pull the ball. Obviously his numbers in Boston skyrocketed, partly due to the ballpark (short porch in LF to hit off the wall and short right field corner) and lineup he was in and their philosophy, partly due to the fact that he managed to stay in the lineup more often, and probably partly due to the juice (IDK if he was juicing while he was here or not).

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    Sunbone wrote…
    Bertogliat wrote…
    Thirty-Four wrote…

    It’s good to see the opinion of me and other GPL members finally accepted: Sano doesn’t produce the numbers and lacks the durability to be a cornerstone. Buck may have the durability issues, but he has the production, reputation and lack of off the field bull that make Sano so releasable.

    David Ortiz didn’t have the numbers and durability either…..until he started juicing.

     

    Fixed your post.

     

    Good point.

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    Sounds like Kepler’s foot is quite painful (he got HBP in the foot yesterday). If it is gonna be a few days before he’s ready they could put him on IL and activate Sano that way too.

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    Beauner wrote…
    Bertogliat wrote…
    Border Gopher wrote…

    Gleeman on Sano:

    What, if anything, is Miguel Sanó worth on the trade market? — Jim N.

    Sanó has negative trade value, meaning the Twins would have to cover most or all of his remaining contract just to unload him for little or nothing in return.

    We’re about to see this situation come to a head in the next few days, because the 20-day window for Sanó’s minor-league rehab assignment is almost closed. Once his rehab assignment ends, the Twins will have to clear room for him on the active roster or say goodbye, via trade, waivers or outright release. I believe there’s a decent chance we’ve seen the last of Sanó in a Twins uniform.

    There’s zero reason for the Twins to send down a promising, productive young hitter like Alex Kirilloff or Jose Miranda to make room for Sanó, who’s unlikely to be a short-term upgrade and clearly not in the long-term plans. Kyle Garlick is a right-handed bench bat, a role Sanó could also fill in theory, except Garlick crushes lefties and can play the outfield, two key differences.

    Nick Gordon is out of minor-league options, so the Twins can’t send him down without risking losing him on waivers. Even if they were open to doing that to make room for Sanó, the role Gordon fills as a backup shortstop, backup center fielder and platoon left fielder isn’t replicated by Sanó in any way. Gordon may be expendable, but he has more day-to-day utility than Sanó on this roster.

    Gilberto Celestino can be sent to the minors and has struggled recently after a hot start to the season. If the Twins are dead set on welcoming back Sanó, then demoting Celestino is the most logical way to make room. However, it would require using Gordon a lot more in center field and it would make the bench a lot less flexible without Celestino’s glove and speed.

    I’m not even sure the Twins are a better team with Sanó at this point. I’m also not sure they care to find out. They’d love to trade Sanó for anything of value and move on. But they might end up moving on even if they can’t find a taker.

    I’ll admit I’ve had a very high level of FOMO with Sano.  He’s been a top prospect for so long and seemed to have enormous potential. I couldn’t stand watching him go to another team only to be the second coming of Big Papi.  But it seems the day has come where the Twins could be hurt by keeping him on the roster, so…adios!

    With the way Miranda has been hitting the ball since his (very) brief send down, it makes the Sano upcoming DFA almost automatic. Whether another team claims him will remain to be seen. He has been absolutely destroying the ball at AAA in his rehab stint (8/23 with 3 HRs and 2 2Bs for an OPS of 1.249). The only real argument to bringing Sano up and sending Celestino back down would be that the offense hasn’t exactly been dominant this year and Sano has the chance to put a run up on the board every time he’s in the box.

    It would likely mean Arraez plays more in the outfield as well. They could use Kiriloff in RF, Kepler in CF, and Arraez in LF on Buxton’s days off just as easily as Kiriloff in LF, Gordon in CF, and Kepler in RF. Celestino has gone ice cold since his hot start and doesn’t offer a ton of pop (yet).

    IMO, the Celestino down, Sano in will be the best option. Let Celestino go down and get more consistent at-bats and see if Sano can carry over the hot streak he’s had in his rehab (albeit against significantly worse pitching). If Sano comes up and struggles like he did at the beginning of the season then you just DFA him or trade him at the deadline and bring Celestino back up. Either way you’re likely going to eat a good chunk of his remaining salary so you may as well see if he can get on the hot streak he usually gets on once a year and put a jump into the offense.

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    This ball was massacred

     

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    It may have splashed.
    Pagan with a solid 6th. Yellich hits a line drive double but he can do that to many pitchers.

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    Well poop.

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    I guess I have to stop watching completely. I know the stats say he’s been good lately, but each and every time I see Duffey he’s absolutely terrible.

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    After a fantastic pitch to get out of a bases loaded bottom of the 8th.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Twins/status/1552131930027589632?cxt=HHwWgICw3Ynxo4orAAAA

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    Another pitiful bullpen performance!  This loss wil be on Baldelli!  Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager!  He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!

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    Another pitiful bullpen performance!  This loss wil be on Baldelli!  Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager!  He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!

    So you rip on the bullpen for being bad but then rip the manager for not going to the bullpen sooner?

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    Beauner wrote…
    mnpuckguy wrote…

    Another pitiful bullpen performance!  This loss wil be on Baldelli!  Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager!  He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!

    So you rip on the bullpen for being bad but then rip the manager for not going to the bullpen sooner?

    I think Baldelli is the second best manager in Twins history after TK. Billy Martin only had a year, otherwise he was probably first or second. If Rocco had real ownership, he’d be certain to win some rings, but he’s been all I could hope for.

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    These Padres’ uniforms look like something from the old Peewee’s Playhouse show.

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    Iceburg wrote…

    These Padres’ uniforms look like something from the old Peewee’s Playhouse show.

    Has to be worst uni in pro sports history?

     

    i get angry just looking at them.  I may have to change the channel.

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    They’re so terrible I love them. :-)

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    Horrible game though. I’m changing the channel too.

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    I just tuned in. Is it late 80’s or early 90’s night?   I feel like I’ve just been transported to junior high.

    I’d like to see some hyper-color jerseys.

    don’t fart though.   😂

     

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    A little info about the SD jerseys, it is part of the “City Connect” series of jerseys that only some teams currently have.  The second link shows the other teams that have them.
    the fun colors have grown on me!

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34176091/san-diego-padres-release-city-connect-uniforms

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31631004/ranking-mlb-city-connect-uniforms

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    That was the lamest attempt by an ump to get out of the way of a batted ball in MLB history.

     

    Padres unis are horrible

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    Which has a higher batting average?

    TV Color Guy brings up that Jose Miranda is the cousin of Broadway legend Lin-Manuel Miranda</p>
    Vs.
    TV Color Guy brings up that Grant Cruikshank’s mom is the legendary figure skater Bonnie Blair</p>
     

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    Thirty-Four wrote…
    Beauner wrote…
    mnpuckguy wrote…

    Another pitiful bullpen performance!  This loss wil be on Baldelli!  Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager!  He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!

    So you rip on the bullpen for being bad but then rip the manager for not going to the bullpen sooner?

    I think Baldelli is the second best manager in Twins history after TK. Billy Martin only had a year, otherwise he was probably first or second. If Rocco had real ownership, he’d be certain to win some rings, but he’s been all I could hope for.

    The Twitter Hate for Baldelli is perplexing to me. Baseball sets itself up for a lot of second guessing of  coin flip type of decisions so I understand the hindsight angst of any decision that goes poorly to an extent.

    But the twins pitching  staff has a bare minimum level of talent. This forces Baldelli to be constantly choosing between bad option A, Bad option B, and bad option C. When the twins blow a late game lead the blame game should be 50% on the pitcher,  45% on the front office (for the lack of talent) and 5% on Baldelli.

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    Thirty-Four wrote…
    Beauner wrote…
    mnpuckguy wrote…

    Another pitiful bullpen performance!  This loss wil be on Baldelli!  Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager!  He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!

    So you rip on the bullpen for being bad but then rip the manager for not going to the bullpen sooner?

    I think Baldelli is the second best manager in Twins history after TK. Billy Martin only had a year, otherwise he was probably first or second. If Rocco had real ownership, he’d be certain to win some rings, but he’s been all I could hope for.

    The Twitter Hate for Baldelli is perplexing to me. Baseball sets itself up for a lot of second guessing of  coin flip type of decisions so I understand the hindsight angst of any decision that goes poorly to an extent.

    But the twins pitching  staff has a bare minimum level of talent. This forces Baldelli to be constantly choosing between bad option A, Bad option B, and bad option C. When the twins blow a late game lead the blame game should be 50% on the pitcher,  45% on the front office (for the lack of talent) and 5% on Baldelli.

    Baldelli doesn’t like to have a pitcher go thru a lineup for a third time, it’s a core part of how he manages pitchers with analytics.  If you don’t agree with that you’re not gonna like how he manages his pitchers. In tonight’s game Gray had around 70 pitches when he would have started the third time thru the order and Rocco pulled him. I probably would have let him go another inning but that’s his managerial philosophy.

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    Yep. That’s the one knock on Baldelli. Even if a pitcher is feeling it, so to speak, Rocco pulls him. I hate THAT part of his managing. Stats say this, but hey, this particular time, this pitcher is mowing them down. “Don’t care, the stats say–” STFU.

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    Um, why is Duffey still on the team?

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    Yep. That’s the one knock on Baldelli. Even if a pitcher is feeling it, so to speak, Rocco pulls him. I hate THAT part of his managing. Stats say this, but hey, this particular time, this pitcher is mowing them down. “Don’t care, the stats say–” STFU.

    I get the knock, however, I know I was hired in my mgmt job to follow organizational orders and protocols. Now maybe Rocco is actually all in on this modern trend, maybe he isn’t and is following what the bosses want and how they are actually running the whole organization. The fact is, we have a lower half batch of pitchers, have for a long time. Rocco wins anyway. I get tired when folks want to blame the way the team is run AND blame the talented people and players that succeed despite it’s self imposed handcuffs.

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    Bigbeer wrote…
    Thirty-Four wrote…
    Beauner wrote…
    mnpuckguy wrote…

    Another pitiful bullpen performance!  This loss wil be on Baldelli!  Leaving Archer in until he walked the bases loaded was poor decision making once again by the manager!  He needs to be accountable for his poor decision making!

    So you rip on the bullpen for being bad but then rip the manager for not going to the bullpen sooner?

    I think Baldelli is the second best manager in Twins history after TK. Billy Martin only had a year, otherwise he was probably first or second. If Rocco had real ownership, he’d be certain to win some rings, but he’s been all I could hope for.

    The Twitter Hate for Baldelli is perplexing to me. Baseball sets itself up for a lot of second guessing of  coin flip type of decisions so I understand the hindsight angst of any decision that goes poorly to an extent.

    But the twins pitching  staff has a bare minimum level of talent. This forces Baldelli to be constantly choosing between bad option A, Bad option B, and bad option C. When the twins blow a late game lead the blame game should be 50% on the pitcher,  45% on the front office (for the lack of talent) and 5% on Baldelli.

    Baldelli doesn’t like to have a pitcher go thru a lineup for a third time, it’s a core part of how he manages pitchers with analytics.  If you don’t agree with that you’re not gonna like how he manages his pitchers. In tonight’s game Gray had around 70 pitches when he would have started the third time thru the order and Rocco pulled him. I probably would have let him go another inning but that’s his managerial philosophy.

    For what its worth here are some stats I pulled from fangraphs.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31

     

    Minnesota Twins in 2022:  Games 101        Innings by Starters  487.1      For Average of 4.82 innings per start

    All of MLB in 2022:  Games 3,062    Innings by Starters  15,882      For Average of 5.18 innings per start

    Difference of  .36 innings or ~1 out per start

    I think this shows this isn’t some sort of Baldelli specific thing. The whole league uses this strategy with starters and given the lack of any top line talent in the Twins rotation I am surprised there is only a 1 out per game gap between the Twins and the league average.

    Also for what its worth the Twins Starter ERA is 4.19 & the Bullpen ERA is 3.88.  If the starter ERA was lower than the bullpen then I would be more apt to believe that we are over protecting the starters and should take more risk in letting them go longer.  In my opinion he is making the best of a bad situation by pulling the starters

     

     

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    Yeah I’m not sure the managing of the staff is their greatest flaw. The Twins are currently 9th in the AL for ERA by starting pitchers and also 9th for relievers.  Basically their pitching is suspect throughout.

     

    Meanwhile they’re 5th in the AL for BA, 3rd for OBP, 4th for SLG and 4th for OPS.  Unfortunately I couldn’t find splits vs. the other divisions so it’s hard to say if the hitting remains competitive outside the ALC.  https://www.mlb.com/stats/team/american-league

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    Yeah I’m not sure the managing of the staff is their greatest flaw. The Twins are currently 9th in the AL for ERA by starting pitchers and also 9th for relievers.  Basically their pitching is suspect throughout.

     

    Meanwhile they’re 5th in the AL for BA, 3rd for OBP, 4th for SLG and 4th for OPS.  Unfortunately I couldn’t find splits vs. the other divisions so it’s hard to say if the hitting remains competitive outside the ALC.  https://www.mlb.com/stats/team/american-league

    9th for now.  The ERA of the starters has been plummeting month over month after having 2nd half of April and most of May played against bottom dwelling teams.  I heard the ERA of the starting pitchers in July was 6+.

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    Yeah I’m not sure the managing of the staff is their greatest flaw. The Twins are currently 9th in the AL for ERA by starting pitchers and also 9th for relievers.  Basically their pitching is suspect throughout.

     

    Meanwhile they’re 5th in the AL for BA, 3rd for OBP, 4th for SLG and 4th for OPS.  Unfortunately I couldn’t find splits vs. the other divisions so it’s hard to say if the hitting remains competitive outside the ALC.  https://www.mlb.com/stats/team/american-league

    9th for now.  The ERA of the starters has been plummeting month over month after having 2nd half of April and most of May played against bottom dwelling teams.  I heard the ERA of the starting pitchers in July was 6+.

    9th was bad enough especially with how many games played vs. the ALC.  Fact is this org does not take pitching seriously from a financial investment and as such they will remain a playoff afterthought.

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    Yeah I’m not sure the managing of the staff is their greatest flaw. The Twins are currently 9th in the AL for ERA by starting pitchers and also 9th for relievers.  Basically their pitching is suspect throughout.

     

    Meanwhile they’re 5th in the AL for BA, 3rd for OBP, 4th for SLG and 4th for OPS.  Unfortunately I couldn’t find splits vs. the other divisions so it’s hard to say if the hitting remains competitive outside the ALC.  https://www.mlb.com/stats/team/american-league

    9th for now.  The ERA of the starters has been plummeting month over month after having 2nd half of April and most of May played against bottom dwelling teams.  I heard the ERA of the starting pitchers in July was 6+.

    9th was bad enough especially with how many games played vs. the ALC.  Fact is this org does not take pitching seriously from a financial investment and as such they will remain a playoff afterthought.

    Agree 100%. This ownership group simply enjoys owning the Twins & winning playoff games is an afterthought (to them). Making the financial investment necessary to field a playoff series winning team isn’t a priority either!

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    This vaunted pitching pipeline really hasn’t shown up and with all the struggles and injuries in the high minors I question whether it really will.   In about 24 hours we’ll just hear the “well, we got outbid” line we’ve heard time after time despite the fact there’s really not a lot of healthy MLB ready arms at Triple A right now

    I hope I’m wrong but it’s the same old broken record.

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    That was embarrassing.

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    Nice ending though! Wish it wasn’t so hard against a team like Detroit, but that’s baseball sometimes.

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    Hopefully they aren’t done.

     

    I was curious to see if they were going to be buyers or sellers. Obviously they bought. If they weren’t going to make moves to add pieces this week I was kinda wondering if they’d try to trade Correa since he apparently plans to opt out and get another big contract.

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    Twins add a starting pitcher.

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    Really like the move for Mahle. He’s arbitration eligible next season as well so they still have him under team control. Will be interesting to see what they gave up for him.

     

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    Seems about fair, maybe a little steep but it gives us a chance to lock up Mahle long term. Hajjar was a 2nd round pick last season out of Michigan and has been pitching well in A ball this summer. Spencer Steer has shot up the prospect rankings the last 12-16 months and been very very good. Strand has been mashing at AA this season after being drafted out of Oklahoma State last season. He’s a stud.

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    Twins add depth at catcher

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    His Twins career may be over..

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    The Twins are acquiring LHP Michael Fulmer from the Tigers, per source. Detroit gets RHP Sawyer Gipson-Long from Minnesota.— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) August 2, 2022

    To correct Feinsand: Fulmer is a RH relief pitcher. Not a LH relief pitcher.

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    Man the whole league is buzzing with trades. The Twins made more deadline moves than I can ever remember them making and the Yankees and Padres did twice as much. The 2-3-4 of the lineup in San Diego looks like an All-Star game lineup now.

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    Hopefully they aren’t done.

     

    I was curious to see if they were going to be buyers or sellers. Obviously they bought. If they weren’t going to make moves to add pieces this week I was kinda wondering if they’d try to trade Correa since he apparently plans to opt out and get another big contract.

    Is it possible they are hoping to convince Correa to stay next year?

    A first place team adding 3 solid pitchers while the 2 teams chasing them do nothing…Twins bizarro world…

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    Hopefully they aren’t done.

     

    I was curious to see if they were going to be buyers or sellers. Obviously they bought. If they weren’t going to make moves to add pieces this week I was kinda wondering if they’d try to trade Correa since he apparently plans to opt out and get another big contract.

    Is it possible they are hoping to convince Correa to stay next year?

    A first place team adding 3 solid pitchers while the 2 teams chasing them do nothing…Twins bizarro world…

    I think they will make every effort to convince Correa to stay here next year. The big question is whether he’ll settle for less than a 10 year 300 million dollar contract if/when he opts out. The Twins won’t offer that much IMO. But if he’s willing to take a 6 or 7 year 200-240 million dollar deal I think the Twins would be foolish not to offer it. The borderline saving grace for that effort is so far this season he’s having a below average season for his standards (slugging % and OBP down, BA slightly down), so his value on the FA market may be slightly lower than it was last offseason. If he senses that is the case, he may stay here next season because he’s still due to make 35+ million next season, and opt out after 2023 (ideal scenario, IMO, for the Twins depending on how everything else shakes out).

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    Bigbeer wrote…
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    Hopefully they aren’t done.

     

    I was curious to see if they were going to be buyers or sellers. Obviously they bought. If they weren’t going to make moves to add pieces this week I was kinda wondering if they’d try to trade Correa since he apparently plans to opt out and get another big contract.

    Is it possible they are hoping to convince Correa to stay next year?

    A first place team adding 3 solid pitchers while the 2 teams chasing them do nothing…Twins bizarro world…

    I think they will make every effort to convince Correa to stay here next year. The big question is whether he’ll settle for less than a 10 year 300 million dollar contract if/when he opts out. The Twins won’t offer that much IMO. But if he’s willing to take a 6 or 7 year 200-240 million dollar deal I think the Twins would be foolish not to offer it. The borderline saving grace for that effort is so far this season he’s having a below average season for his standards (slugging % and OBP down, BA slightly down), so his value on the FA market may be slightly lower than it was last offseason. If he senses that is the case, he may stay here next season because he’s still due to make 35+ million next season, and opt out after 2023 (ideal scenario, IMO, for the Twins depending on how everything else shakes out).

    Correa is (currently) the second highest paid position player per year behind Trout. It’s not like we’re disprespecitng him. I would think Soto will be signing a huge deal imminently tho. I kinda like the idea that the Twins are making moves with the spectre of Correa’s judgement hanging over them, true or not.

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    Love a nice strike em out throw em out.

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    Bigbeer wrote…
    Beauner wrote…
    Bigbeer wrote…
    Beauner wrote…

    Hopefully they aren’t done.

     

    I was curious to see if they were going to be buyers or sellers. Obviously they bought. If they weren’t going to make moves to add pieces this week I was kinda wondering if they’d try to trade Correa since he apparently plans to opt out and get another big contract.

    Is it possible they are hoping to convince Correa to stay next year?

    A first place team adding 3 solid pitchers while the 2 teams chasing them do nothing…Twins bizarro world…

    I think they will make every effort to convince Correa to stay here next year. The big question is whether he’ll settle for less than a 10 year 300 million dollar contract if/when he opts out. The Twins won’t offer that much IMO. But if he’s willing to take a 6 or 7 year 200-240 million dollar deal I think the Twins would be foolish not to offer it. The borderline saving grace for that effort is so far this season he’s having a below average season for his standards (slugging % and OBP down, BA slightly down), so his value on the FA market may be slightly lower than it was last offseason. If he senses that is the case, he may stay here next season because he’s still due to make 35+ million next season, and opt out after 2023 (ideal scenario, IMO, for the Twins depending on how everything else shakes out).

    Correa is (currently) the second highest paid position player per year behind Trout. It’s not like we’re disprespecitng him. I would think Soto will be signing a huge deal imminently tho. I kinda like the idea that the Twins are making moves with the spectre of Correa’s judgement hanging over them, true or not.

    Hard to imagine Correa opting for a second year even at $35M and with a normal full offseason to negotiate Scott Boras will get some one to offer him a long term deal worth $250M+. Hard to imagine the Twins winning that bidding war given our biggest Free Agent signing ever was Donaldson at 4 years $92M.

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    Bigbeer wrote…
    Beauner wrote…
    Bigbeer wrote…
    Beauner wrote…

    Hopefully they aren’t done.

     

    I was curious to see if they were going to be buyers or sellers. Obviously they bought. If they weren’t going to make moves to add pieces this week I was kinda wondering if they’d try to trade Correa since he apparently plans to opt out and get another big contract.

    Is it possible they are hoping to convince Correa to stay next year?

    A first place team adding 3 solid pitchers while the 2 teams chasing them do nothing…Twins bizarro world…

    I think they will make every effort to convince Correa to stay here next year. The big question is whether he’ll settle for less than a 10 year 300 million dollar contract if/when he opts out. The Twins won’t offer that much IMO. But if he’s willing to take a 6 or 7 year 200-240 million dollar deal I think the Twins would be foolish not to offer it. The borderline saving grace for that effort is so far this season he’s having a below average season for his standards (slugging % and OBP down, BA slightly down), so his value on the FA market may be slightly lower than it was last offseason. If he senses that is the case, he may stay here next season because he’s still due to make 35+ million next season, and opt out after 2023 (ideal scenario, IMO, for the Twins depending on how everything else shakes out).

    Correa is (currently) the second highest paid position player per year behind Trout. It’s not like we’re disprespecitng him. I would think Soto will be signing a huge deal imminently tho. I kinda like the idea that the Twins are making moves with the spectre of Correa’s judgement hanging over them, true or not.

    He almost certainly won’t receive that high of an AAV again but he may seek a 10 year deal worth nearly 300 million which the Twins would likely say “No thanks” to. But if he thinks that based on his current season he could come back for another year at 35 million a year and then opt out after next season (if he performs better) he could still get an 8-9 year deal with a big payout.

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    They came back out in the eighth and ninth and gave the team a chance, but no dice. I’d say the bats were silent, but honestly they weren’t terribly so. Everything was just hit right at Baddoo. Gordon missing that grand slam by a couple feet was big.

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    They came back out in the eighth and ninth and gave the team a chance, but no dice. I’d say the bats were silent, but honestly they weren’t terribly so. Everything was just hit right at Baddoo. Gordon missing that grand slam by a couple feet was big.

    Detroit’s starter was very touchable tonight and Twins hitters just didn’t get it done….still, bullpen blew another one late.

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    Bullpen striking again in the seventh.

    Not sure I’d say Miranda misplaying a 57 hopper (or not playing, to be more accurate) followed by Correa making an unusual mistake (with a slow roller through the shift) counts as “bullpen striking again”. Jax got 2 balls that should have been routine outs and a strikeout in the first 5 batters he faced. They probably should have been out of the 7th with a lead.

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    That’s not a sound you like to hear when a ball hits your wrist.

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    That’s not a sound you like to hear when a ball hits your wrist.

    The grunt Miranda made sold it for me.

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    ugly two errors to give Toronto Run #3

     

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    Arraez with back to back mistakes gives Toronto an extra run in the 6th.

    Pagan got hosed on a strike 3 call against Hernandez and then served up a meatball to give up a game tying HR. Then a double, a single to make it 2-1, then a line drive to Correa where he (maybe foolishly) threw back to 1B. The throw shorthopped Arraez and he let it go right under his glove. Next batter smokes a ball to Miranda who makes a great stop and throw to 1B and Arraez has it go in and out of his glove. 3-1 Toronto now.

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    Best Twins news of the day: The Twins have released Tyler Duffey

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    Duran with the gas. 103 mph.

     

    every pitch over 100.

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    Well that was an interesting overtime.

    Both teams get out of a bases loaded jam

    two errors to give the twins the win.

    a win’s a win!

     

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    That wasn’t pretty, but I’ll take it.

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    Bullpen help?

     

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    Miranda can sure put a charge into a ball. :good2:

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    It’s called a safety squeeze, not a separate your shoulder squeeze.

    In all seriousness, bummer for Mayza.

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    It’s called a safety squeeze, not a separate your shoulder squeeze.

    In all seriousness, bummer for Mayza.

    Beauner wrote…

    Jose Miranda’s last 55 games:

    .331 AVG
    .379 OBP
    .564 SLG
    10 homers
    12 doubles
    43 RBIs

    I believe we can definitively answer YES to the “is it real?” question posed in this headline from exactly 12 months ago.

    https://t.co/4YvpxlgSYN— Aaron Gleeman (@AaronGleeman) August 7, 2022

    Karlsson wrote…

    It’s called a safety squeeze, not a separate your shoulder squeeze.

    In all seriousness, bummer for Mayza.

    His glove hand (right arm) was extended awkwardly to attempt a tag & then it hit the ground extended…that’s very often the circumstances when a dislocated shoulder occurs.

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