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    Shakes head..

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    Man. What a streak of lousy luck he’s had the last 3ish years.

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      Buxton homered in the 1st inning. He now has hit a home run in 4 of his last 7 at bats.

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      Are the twins on tv tonight?  I could only find pumpkin throwing on Bally’s.

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        Apple TV.

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          Buxton with with his second homer of the game. That’s now 5 home runs and his last 9 at bats.

          If I was Buxton I wouldn’t have resigned with the Twins (and this is coming from a life long Twins fan) he deserves to play on a team that has owners who don’t constantly keep the payroll in the bottom half of the league.

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            Typical Twins management SCREWING the pooch royally…could someone please explain why on God’s green earth was the Twins 2017 #1 draft pick, a SS…playing center field in the first place? “Lewis suffered a bone bruise on May 29 when he crashed into the center-field wall to make a great catch and then crumpled to the ground, reaching for his surgically repaired knee. He finished the inning before limping off the field.” Now he needs ACL surgery (AGAIN). STUPID, Stupid, stupid…

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            Buxton with with his second homer of the game. That’s now 5 home runs and his last 9 at bats.

            Fourth player in franchise history with multiple home runs in consecutive games along with Eddie Rosario, Don Mincher and Harmon Killebrew.

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              Man. What a streak of lousy luck he’s had the last 3ish years.

              Since no one else will…please explain why Royce Lewis, a shortstop, was playing center field when he injured his knee?

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              Apple TV.

              I love how the nhl app lists where to find the game on tv even during the game.  The mlb app I can only find it If I catch it in the preview before the game starts – that’s why I had a hard time finding it in progress.  (That and I don’t have Apple TV, which I consider streaming, and not actual tv.)  ;)

               

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                Cowgirl wrote…
                grothm01 wrote…

                Apple TV.

                I love how the nhl app lists where to find the game on tv even during the game.  The mlb app I can only find it If I catch it in the preview before the game starts – that’s why I had a hard time finding it in progress.  (That and I don’t have Apple TV, which I consider streaming, and not actual tv.)  ;)

                 

                Apple TV coverage of Friday baseball is a free access.  I watched it on my Roku TV.

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                grothm01 wrote…
                Cowgirl wrote…
                grothm01 wrote…

                Apple TV.

                I love how the nhl app lists where to find the game on tv even during the game.  The mlb app I can only find it If I catch it in the preview before the game starts – that’s why I had a hard time finding it in progress.  (That and I don’t have Apple TV, which I consider streaming, and not actual tv.)  ;)

                 

                Apple TV coverage of Friday baseball is a free access.  I watched it on my Roku TV.

                I have cable and a 10 year old “smart” tv. I don’t have any streaming services, sticks, or gaming consoles (from this century anyway 😂) so not sure that would work for me?

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                  Cowgirl wrote…
                  grothm01 wrote…
                  Cowgirl wrote…
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                  Apple TV.

                  I love how the nhl app lists where to find the game on tv even during the game.  The mlb app I can only find it If I catch it in the preview before the game starts – that’s why I had a hard time finding it in progress.  (That and I don’t have Apple TV, which I consider streaming, and not actual tv.)  ;)

                   

                  Apple TV coverage of Friday baseball is a free access.  I watched it on my Roku TV.

                  I have cable and a 10 year old “smart” tv. I don’t have any streaming services, sticks, or gaming consoles (from this century anyway 😂) so not sure that would work for me?

                  If you have Xfinity, with a X1 device, you can access Apple TV thru Xfinity’s “Apps” menu.

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                  grothm01 wrote…
                  Cowgirl wrote…
                  grothm01 wrote…
                  Cowgirl wrote…
                  grothm01 wrote…

                  Apple TV.

                  I love how the nhl app lists where to find the game on tv even during the game.  The mlb app I can only find it If I catch it in the preview before the game starts – that’s why I had a hard time finding it in progress.  (That and I don’t have Apple TV, which I consider streaming, and not actual tv.)  ;)

                   

                  Apple TV coverage of Friday baseball is a free access.  I watched it on my Roku TV.

                  I have cable and a 10 year old “smart” tv. I don’t have any streaming services, sticks, or gaming consoles (from this century anyway 😂) so not sure that would work for me?

                  If you have Xfinity, with a X1 device, you can access Apple TV thru Xfinity’s “Apps” menu.

                  Nope.  Spectrum.  How many games are on Apple TV? Do they do this every Friday?

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                  Beauner wrote…

                  Man. What a streak of lousy luck he’s had the last 3ish years.

                  Since no one else will…please explain why Royce Lewis, a shortstop, was playing center field when he injured his knee?

                  I’ll bite. His bat.
                  Since SS spot is filled, and Buxton with a planned short season’s worth of games…here we go.

                  Hindsight is 20/20, and I think it was a little short-sighted to begin with. High risk, high reward, and as we are seeing, also high loss. It wasn’t bad luck, it was bad chance-taking.

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                    • Cowgirl wrote…
                      grothm01 wrote…
                      Cowgirl wrote…
                      grothm01 wrote…
                      Cowgirl wrote…
                      grothm01 wrote…

                      Apple TV.

                      I love how the nhl app lists where to find the game on tv even during the game.  The mlb app I can only find it If I catch it in the preview before the game starts – that’s why I had a hard time finding it in progress.  (That and I don’t have Apple TV, which I consider streaming, and not actual tv.)  ;)

                       

                      Apple TV coverage of Friday baseball is a free access.  I watched it on my Roku TV.

                      I have cable and a 10 year old “smart” tv. I don’t have any streaming services, sticks, or gaming consoles (from this century anyway 😂) so not sure that would work for me?

                      If you have Xfinity, with a X1 device, you can access Apple TV thru Xfinity’s “Apps” menu.

                      Nope.  Spectrum.  How many games are on Apple TV? Do they do this every Friday?

                      Cowgirl wrote…
                      grothm01 wrote…
                      Cowgirl wrote…
                      grothm01 wrote…
                      Cowgirl wrote…
                      grothm01 wrote…

                      Apple TV.

                      I love how the nhl app lists where to find the game on tv even during the game.  The mlb app I can only find it If I catch it in the preview before the game starts – that’s why I had a hard time finding it in progress.  (That and I don’t have Apple TV, which I consider streaming, and not actual tv.)  ;)

                       

                      Apple TV coverage of Friday baseball is a free access.  I watched it on my Roku TV.

                      I have cable and a 10 year old “smart” tv. I don’t have any streaming services, sticks, or gaming consoles (from this century anyway 😂) so not sure that would work for me?

                      If you have Xfinity, with a X1 device, you can access Apple TV thru Xfinity’s “Apps” menu.

                      Nope.  Spectrum.  How many games are on Apple TV? Do they do this every Friday?

                      Every Friday.

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                    bearpaw28 wrote…
                    Beauner wrote…

                    Man. What a streak of lousy luck he’s had the last 3ish years.

                    Since no one else will…please explain why Royce Lewis, a shortstop, was playing center field when he injured his knee?

                    Because they signed this really really really good shortstop in the offseason and made him one of the 3-5 highest paid players in the league this year. Royce Lewis was absolutely destroying the baseball in AAA this spring, continued to do so when he was up here when Correa was hurt, and went back to AAA and continued to destroy the baseball back down there.

                    The Twins management staff knew he was a guy who could contribute to the team significantly this season. When he was sent back to AAA when Correa came off the IL, they had Lewis get time in at 3B, 1B, and outfield knowing those were the positions most likely for him to see significant playing time (similar to how they brought Luis Arraez along). Having a guy who could hit the ball like him but play 3B, SS, 2B, 1B, and all 3 outfield positions would make getting the regular everyday starters scheduled breaks easy because Royce Lewis was mashing the ball. They wanted to get his bat in the lineup as often as possible because he’d help them win. But getting his bat in the lineup as often as possible meant getting him to play multiple positions.

                     

                    For the record, the idea of Lewis potentially patrolling the outfield was not a new idea. There were discussions about him potentially getting worked in in the outfield long before this season. He had begun to dabble in the outfield at the tail end of 2019 and IIRC they were going to get him more work in the outfield in 2020 before the COVID shutdowns cancelled minor league baseball entirely, and then we all know about the ACL injury wiping out his 2021 season.

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                    bearpaw28 wrote…
                    Beauner wrote…

                    Man. What a streak of lousy luck he’s had the last 3ish years.

                    Since no one else will…please explain why Royce Lewis, a shortstop, was playing center field when he injured his knee?

                    I’ll bite. His bat.
                    Since SS spot is filled, and Buxton with a planned short season’s worth of games…here we go.

                    Hindsight is 20/20, and I think it was a little short-sighted to begin with. High risk, high reward, and as we are seeing, also high loss. It wasn’t bad luck, it was bad chance-taking.

                    He partially tore his ACL planting awkwardly after making a great catch in CF.

                    That’s bad luck. It could just as easily have happened playing shortstop trying to avoid a slide, charging a ball and trying to throw on the run, chasing down a popup to shallow left field, running to first base, etc.

                    It wasn’t “bad chance-taking”. It wasn’t any higher risk than putting anyone else in the OF. Injuries happen. They needed help at OF depth with Kiriloff’s injury history (and likely long-term plan to play 1B) and their plan to keep Buxton healthy (a long-term plan, BTW).

                    A guy with the skillset of Lewis is certainly capable of patrolling the outfield long-term similar to the way the Dodgers use Chris Taylor, the Royals use Merrifield, the Red Sox (and formerly Dodgers) used Kike Hernandez, etc.

                    It’s MLB in 2022. Guys with his ability and skillset are being asked more and more often to play multiple positions early in their career to help their team.

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                    Beauner wrote…
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                    bearpaw28 wrote…
                    Beauner wrote…

                    Man. What a streak of lousy luck he’s had the last 3ish years.

                    Since no one else will…please explain why Royce Lewis, a shortstop, was playing center field when he injured his knee?

                    I’ll bite. His bat.
                    Since SS spot is filled, and Buxton with a planned short season’s worth of games…here we go.

                    Hindsight is 20/20, and I think it was a little short-sighted to begin with. High risk, high reward, and as we are seeing, also high loss. It wasn’t bad luck, it was bad chance-taking.

                    He partially tore his ACL planting awkwardly after making a great catch in CF.

                    That’s bad luck. It could just as easily have happened playing shortstop trying to avoid a slide, charging a ball and trying to throw on the run, chasing down a popup to shallow left field, running to first base, etc.

                    It wasn’t “bad chance-taking”. It wasn’t any higher risk than putting anyone else in the OF. Injuries happen. They needed help at OF depth with Kiriloff’s injury history (and likely long-term plan to play 1B) and their plan to keep Buxton healthy (a long-term plan, BTW).

                    A guy with the skillset of Lewis is certainly capable of patrolling the outfield long-term similar to the way the Dodgers use Chris Taylor, the Royals use Merrifield, the Red Sox (and formerly Dodgers) used Kike Hernandez, etc.

                    It’s MLB in 2022. Guys with his ability and skillset are being asked more and more often to play multiple positions early in their career to help their team.

                    Isn’t this the same knee he already went through ACL repair on? Thought I heard that during the broadcast yesterday.

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                    Cowgirl wrote…
                    Beauner wrote…
                    The Rube wrote…
                    bearpaw28 wrote…
                    Beauner wrote…

                    Man. What a streak of lousy luck he’s had the last 3ish years.

                    Since no one else will…please explain why Royce Lewis, a shortstop, was playing center field when he injured his knee?

                    I’ll bite. His bat.
                    Since SS spot is filled, and Buxton with a planned short season’s worth of games…here we go.

                    Hindsight is 20/20, and I think it was a little short-sighted to begin with. High risk, high reward, and as we are seeing, also high loss. It wasn’t bad luck, it was bad chance-taking.

                    He partially tore his ACL planting awkwardly after making a great catch in CF.

                    That’s bad luck. It could just as easily have happened playing shortstop trying to avoid a slide, charging a ball and trying to throw on the run, chasing down a popup to shallow left field, running to first base, etc.

                    It wasn’t “bad chance-taking”. It wasn’t any higher risk than putting anyone else in the OF. Injuries happen. They needed help at OF depth with Kiriloff’s injury history (and likely long-term plan to play 1B) and their plan to keep Buxton healthy (a long-term plan, BTW).

                    A guy with the skillset of Lewis is certainly capable of patrolling the outfield long-term similar to the way the Dodgers use Chris Taylor, the Royals use Merrifield, the Red Sox (and formerly Dodgers) used Kike Hernandez, etc.

                    It’s MLB in 2022. Guys with his ability and skillset are being asked more and more often to play multiple positions early in their career to help their team.

                    Isn’t this the same knee he already went through ACL repair on? Thought I heard that during the broadcast yesterday.

                    Yes it’s the same knee he tore the ACL in last winter (slipping on ice after a storm at his home in Texas).

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                        Buxton goes yard in the first make it 45.

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                        Buxton goes yard in the first make it 45.

                        His last 6 hits are HRs.

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                          Mr Flexen needs to start giving Bux the Barry Bonds treatment (walk him).

                          Byron be flexen when Flexen be pitchin.

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                          Twins drop 2 of 3 at Arizona. Their lead is now down to 1 game over Cleveland. Next 11 games: 3 at home vs Cleveland, then 3 at home vs Colorado, then 5 games in 4 days at Cleveland. Pretty important stretch coming up.

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                          The Twins makeshift bullpen is doing what last year’s bullpen did.   This team probably is 3 pitchers away (a #1 or #2 SP and 2 good high leverage relievers) from being taken seriously as a contender for the division

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                            They suck again. Still? One of them.

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                            They suck again. Still? One of them.

                            Yep, they do.

                            10 runs wasn’t enough last night, and, for the second night in a row, Twins’ pitchers gave the game right back after a big homer got the team enough runs  for a win.

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                            They suck again. Still? One of them.

                            Yep, they do.

                            10 runs wasn’t enough last night, and, for the second night in a row, Twins’ pitchers gave the game right back after a big homer got the team enough runs  for a win.

                            You’d think eventually it would get old looking at the pitching staff for your next savior and seeing only the discount rack.

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                              They suck again. Still? One of them.

                              Yep, they do.

                              10 runs wasn’t enough last night, and, for the second night in a row, Twins’ pitchers gave the game right back after a big homer got the team enough runs  for a win.

                              You’d think eventually it would get old looking at the pitching staff for your next savior and seeing only the discount rack.

                              It’s the same old Twinkies never going anywhere

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                                They suck again. Still? One of them.

                                Yep, they do.

                                10 runs wasn’t enough last night, and, for the second night in a row, Twins’ pitchers gave the game right back after a big homer got the team enough runs  for a win.

                                You’d think eventually it would get old looking at the pitching staff for your next savior and seeing only the discount rack.

                                That would require spending serious 💴 something Rob, Chip & Ernie have no interest in doing..

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                                  How bad is this bullpen

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                                    Slightly better than league average. But that is entirely because Duran drags them up all by himself.

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                                    Slightly better than league average. But that is entirely because Duran drags them up all by himself.

                                    And that’s after playing a boatload of games against bad teams.

                                    Bert wrote…

                                    How bad is this bullpen

                                    Bad enough to load the bases on 2 walks and a hit batter on zero outs only to need 2 force outs at home and fly out to keep the lead.

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                                    Slightly better than league average. But that is entirely because Duran drags them up all by himself.

                                    And that’s after playing a boatload of games against bad teams.

                                     

                                    IDK how to break this to you but the majority of their games this season will be against bad teams. There are 7 teams in the AL above .500 after Cleveland’s hot streak (they’ve won 8 of their last 10 and 17 of their last 21).

                                    The Twins are 12-13 against those 7 teams including their 0-3 record against Houston.

                                    Tampa Bay is 9-13, Boston is 6-11, Houston is 8-8, Toronto is 16-19, Cleveland is 7-9.

                                     

                                    The Yankees, the best team in baseball, are 22-9.

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                                    Be that as it may the Twins currently do not have a pitching staff that will get them past the first round of the playoffs if that.

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                                    They’ve been shutout more than any other team in baseball. That’s more concerning to me at this rate than adding another middle reliever (which we do need to do).

                                    I’m of the belief that they’ll try to make a move for Frankie Montas at the deadline (or before).

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                                      Archer gives up one hit thru 5 to Colorado but then gets pulled at 77 pitches. If that’s what they gotta do to keep him healthy then so be it. I googled him and they list him at 6’2” 195? Really?

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                                      Archer gives up one hit thru 5 to Colorado but then gets pulled at 77 pitches. If that’s what they gotta do to keep him healthy then so be it. I googled him and they list him at 6’2” 195? Really?

                                      He definitely does not look that big.

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                                        Duffey is alright when he gets an extra couple inches on each side of the zone.

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                                          Duran sure is fun to watch.

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                                          Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.

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                                          Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.

                                          Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.

                                          It’s not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k— Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022

                                          Have they announced if he’s coaching the rest of the season here? I saw Reusse tweet that Johnson is on the team flight to Cleveland but it is Reusse.

                                           

                                          Update: https://twitter.com/DanHayesMLB/status/1541204832152915970?s=20&t=HBYXoaT5U792sFayrDCPyw

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                                          frozen4champs wrote…

                                          Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.

                                          Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.

                                          It’s not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k— Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022

                                          Why would the Twins have a well paid pitching coach?

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                                          Bertogliat wrote…
                                          frozen4champs wrote…

                                          Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.

                                          Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.

                                          It’s not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k— Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022

                                          Why would the Twins have a well paid pitching coach?

                                          Most MLB teams don’t have a highly paid pitching coach (in respect to how much the players make, I should clarify. Estimates are MLB pitching coach salaries range from 200k-360k). From what I’ve seen, Johnson didn’t even approach the Twins about a pay bump. He may just have more fun coaching the college kids.

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                                          Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.

                                          Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.

                                          It’s not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k— Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022

                                          Why would the Twins have a well paid pitching coach?

                                          Most MLB teams don’t have a highly paid pitching coach (in respect to how much the players make, I should clarify. Estimates are MLB pitching coach salaries range from 200k-360k). From what I’ve seen, Johnson didn’t even approach the Twins about a pay bump. He may just have more fun coaching the college kids.

                                          If the tweet above can be believed, that top-tier Power 5 baseball pays pitching coaches so much better than MLB… “and it’s not even close” its very odd.  But let’s say you’re a cheap owner who doesn’t want to pay for top pitching in say, the AL central.  Wouldn’t it make sense to instead have top pitching coaches?  And pay them?  At those prices you could have the Cadillac of pitching staffs for a fraction of the price of one decent MLB pitcher, and maybe squeeze a little more juice out of these lemons.

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                                          Beauner wrote…
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                                          Odd timing. First Laffer, now Wes Johnson.

                                          Crazy move, but for those wondering how a college team can acquire a big league coach, it probably will come as a shock for fans to realize that coach pay at a top-tier power 5 NCAA baseball program is so, so much better than professional baseball.

                                          It’s not remotely close. https://t.co/o6yFmxje7k— Kyle Boddy (@drivelinebases) June 26, 2022

                                          Why would the Twins have a well paid pitching coach?

                                          Most MLB teams don’t have a highly paid pitching coach (in respect to how much the players make, I should clarify. Estimates are MLB pitching coach salaries range from 200k-360k). From what I’ve seen, Johnson didn’t even approach the Twins about a pay bump. He may just have more fun coaching the college kids.

                                          If the tweet above can be believed, that top-tier Power 5 baseball pays pitching coaches so much better than MLB… “and it’s not even close” its very odd.  But let’s say you’re a cheap owner who doesn’t want to pay for top pitching in say, the AL central.  Wouldn’t it make sense to instead have top pitching coaches?  And pay them?  At those prices you could have the Cadillac of pitching staffs for a fraction of the price of one decent MLB pitcher, and maybe squeeze a little more juice out of these lemons.

                                          IDK. I think to some extent the title of pitching coach is a figurehead as much as anything. Good organizations have the same pitching philosophy from the top to the bottom. So the kids getting drafted/signed are getting the exact same coaching, pitch design, training, etc. as the ones in the major leagues. So while there is 1 pitching coach at the big league level, there are typically a couple assistant pitching coaches (bullpen coaches, etc) at the big league level, a couple pitching coaches at AAA, AA, high A, low A, rookie league… Not to mention all the pitching coordinators, development coordinators etc.

                                          In theory, the guys at the lowest levels are the ones who do the most actual teaching/training based on the development plan workshopped between all the pitching coaches, development coordinators, etc. each offseason. By the time they get to the major league level they should be mostly finished products and the MLB pitching coach’s job should be mostly pretty easy (make a minor adjustment here and there if a guy is tipping his pitches etc.) But all the huge adjustments are made by the pitchers long before they get to the show. I’d argue that having high dollars invested in the guys working with the younger players is as important, if not more important, than paying a pitching coach 500k instead of 360k. But that’s just my opinion obviously.

                                          The reason I was excited about Wes Johnson’s hiring is because he was going to bring that mentality to the Twins organization so each of our pitching prospects would receive the same approach/training from the bottom to the top. Unlike under the previous regimes (both Gardy and Molitor) where it seemed like there was no synchronicity between the minors and the big leagues. Think back to how they handled Berrios when he first arrived. In the low minors he was throwing 94-95mph and racking up a lot of strikeouts using his devastating curveball to blow away overmatched hitters. When he got to AAA and was bordering on MLB debut there was a lot of concern about him trying to strike too many guys out so they wanted him to throw more 2-seamers/sinkers and fewer breaking balls. He went from throwing 64%, 62% and 61% fastballs in the 3 years under Moli/Gardy to 55% and 51% in his first two years under Wes Johnson and 56% last year (split between Toronto and Minnesota obviously).

                                          That same philosophy has been adopted by the entire organization, which is huge for pitching development and organizational success going forward.

                                          If/when they go outside the organization to hire a new pitching coach (they are just elevating the assistant pitching coach for the remainder of the year, from what I’ve heard) the key will be to hire somebody who has a similar philosophy to the current philosophy so they don’t have to overhaul everything and start all over again.

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                                            Sources tell me and @DanHayesMLB that the #MNTwins plan to promote assistant pitching coach Pete Maki to the lead pitching coach role. But fully replacing Wes Johnson will be a group effort.— Aaron Gleeman (@AaronGleeman) June 27, 2022

                                            I heard on KFAN this am he took the position its a family issue and he can be closer to their home location

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                                            Dan’s reported salary doesn’t include donor contributions etc. either, which I think is where the difference between the 700k reported initially and the 380k reported now comes from.

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                                            Twins just turned a wicked awesome 3-5-1 double play!

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                                              Contreras with his first MLB hit! It’s against a third baseman, but a batting average is a batting average.

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                                              11-1? That’s a nice start to an important series! Terrific pitching by Gray. I sure miss the TV option for this squad.

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                                              It is a good start but the way this offense has been might mean they’ll struggle to score 11 the rest of the series

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                                              Buxton his his 20th HR in 56 games in the second game of the doubleheader.   He’s on pace for something like 5.0 or 5.5 WAR for the year at thsi rate

                                              Winder seems to be a promising young starter.  He’s had some really good starts from what I’ve seen in the box scores

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                                              Very nice recovery last night after the Pagan implosion in game 1. And yes, solid outing from Winder, with relief from Duffey and Moran. It would be great to do no worse than a split in the final two games in Cleveland.

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                                              Buxton his his 20th HR in 56 games in the second game of the doubleheader.   He’s on pace for something like 5.0 or 5.5 WAR for the year at thsi rate

                                              Winder seems to be a promising young starter.  He’s had some really good starts from what I’ve seen in the box scores

                                              Winder is one of the pitching prospects I was high on coming into this season. He was really really good the last two years in the minors. Hopefully he stays healthy down the stretch.

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                                                Nice to see Kirilloff get his first dinger of the season. Now Urshela hits a rocket! Suddenly we’ve got a tie game in the sixth.

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                                                Rocco keeps tying that bold strategy of throwing Pagan out there against the Indians.

                                                This team needs a couple high leverage relievers badly

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                                                  Jesus this bullpen is terrible.

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                                                  Twins score 3 in the 10th and lose.  Just don’t give up a walk off homer…

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                                                  Jesus this bullpen is terrible.

                                                  Gleeman tweeted the other day that the Twins bullpen is 12th in Win Probability Added.  When you take out Duran’s  WPA they are 24th

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                                                  Rocco keeps tying that bold strategy of throwing Pagan out there against the Indians.

                                                  This team needs a couple high leverage relievers badly

                                                  Pagan is so weird. He got off to a brutal start. Then he had a stretch where he allowed 3 runs across like 20 appearances. And now he’s back pitching like the guy that started the season – can’t find the strike zone and can’t get guys out when he does.

                                                  He has the stuff to be borderline dominant but he misses the strikezone far too often and when you fall behind and hitters can sit dead red you’re going to get shelled.

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                                                  Rocco keeps tying that bold strategy of throwing Pagan out there against the Indians.

                                                  This team needs a couple high leverage relievers badly

                                                  Pagan is so weird. He got off to a brutal start. Then he had a stretch where he allowed 3 runs across like 20 appearances. And now he’s back pitching like the guy that started the season – can’t find the strike zone and can’t get guys out when he does.

                                                  He has the stuff to be borderline dominant but he misses the strikezone far too often and when you fall behind and hitters can sit dead red you’re going to get shelled.

                                                  Star Trib had a recent article about him, and how he’s “fit in” to the role, this was obviously during his hot streak. Since the article? Brutal. Duffey is shaking his head at how bad Pagan has been.

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                                                  Alcala’s injury has really been brutal. He was going to be another late inning flamethrower that the team was going to rely on.

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