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    fightclub30fightclub30
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    This thread got bombed, hope it is okay to start a new one.

    I have had a recruiter bugged be for a few weeks. That I came highly recommended, am an ideal candidate for this position, yadda, yadda, blah. I am not actively looking for a job but figured I would listen. I talked to them on the phone for the second time today, and they said I seemed to be the best fit. They will not give me any additional information until I provide a resume and project list, with a bunch of information. I told them “hey, you called me, I didn’t call you…” and said I was too busy to provide that information right now and just ended the call pretty quickly.

    Is this pretty common practice? They are ready to introduce me to the company they are hiring for, but won’t give me any information until I provide a resume and project list. This feels like a way to just get someone in a database, so that they can say the have X number of people they are connected with. Do I risk burning any bridges if I just walk away at this point? I have never dealt with a recruiter before. I mostly assume they just start randomly calling people as my contact info is on my companies website.

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    I wouldn’t worry about it. Most recruiters are just trying to get everyone’s name they can so that if you start looking you go them first.

    I would have asked them how they determined I was a great fit without my resume. I would also ask specifics about the hiring company but not their name. It is fair to have them withhold the name.

    I would also ask how the recruiting company knows the hiring company and how many people they have placed at that company in the past. As someone how hires, I get recruiters blindly reaching out all the time.

    If you are open to meeting the other company then a resume would be needed. The recruiting company needs to establish that they found you so the hiring company doesn’t try to cut out the middleman (and their hefty fee).

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    Sorry… I did some automatic pruning. There must not have been a reply to the previous thread in 180 days. Always welcome to create a new thread.

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    You won’t burn a bridge. Recruiters are out fishing all the time. I don’t even answer my work phone any more because it’s either recruiters or contract firms trying to tell me they can solve all my contingent resource needs.

    LinkedIn is getting bad too. I’m willing to connect with anyone if I don’t know them and they take the time to tell me why they want to connect. Sadly most of the time it’s just someone trying to sell me something

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    fightclub30fightclub30
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    Thanks. I asked specifics, and they gave a lot of very vague answers. They asked me what my ideal salary would be, I said $150,000 – they didn’t see the humor and I said, well, you asked for my ideal salary. I gave them a number that I think I am worth (and what it would take to get me to consider a move right now), to which they said oh, do you have a bare minimum. Yeah… that’s the number I just gave you, that’s what I am looking for if I were to move right now. I asked about where the company was located, is it downtown? Are they 100% in office? etc. Couldn’t get much info there. They wanted a home address for me and they would type it into google and give me a commute time. Couldn’t tell me if there was a 401k match, or even health insurance.

    I haven’t looked for a job in 8 years, none of my info is current. I told them it would take me a week or more to get my resume and most recent 15 project list together. They seemed surprised and irritated it would take me that long. They also tried to ask 3 different times what my current salary was, and when I wasn’t willing to share that they said it was a “critical piece of information for them in this process.”

    If they approached me and told me about the job position and the potential employer first, then asked me if I was interested in it – I would probably feel differently. Here they are asking all about me first while I try to scratch for info about the job. It feels completely backwards and seems like a major fishing expedition. So I am just going to ignore them. I was worried about burning a bridge with a potential firm to work for, not necessarily this recruiter. But it seems clear the firm doesn’t know me yet, and this recruiter isn’t going to share my info with them if I am non-responsive otherwise the firm could just talk to me directly. I am up to my eyeballs in work right now (I don’t know anyone who isn’t) and am fine with my job, I don’t need a homework assignment right now to aid a recruiting agency in setting up profiles.

    Thanks for the feedback guys.

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    I would be clueless if I had to apply for a job. I haven’t had to apply for a full time job since Jan. 1998. I have had a small handful of interviews for being a beer vendor at the original stadium, temporary stadium and new stadium stadiums for the Vikings and Twins.

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    fightclub30 wrote:


    Thanks. I asked specifics, and they gave a lot of very vague answers. They asked me what my ideal salary would be, I said $150,000 – they didn’t see the humor and I said, well, you asked for my ideal salary. I gave them a number that I think I am worth (and what it would take to get me to consider a move right now), to which they said oh, do you have a bare minimum. Yeah… that’s the number I just gave you, that’s what I am looking for if I were to move right now. I asked about where the company was located, is it downtown? Are they 100% in office? etc. Couldn’t get much info there. They wanted a home address for me and they would type it into google and give me a commute time. Couldn’t tell me if there was a 401k match, or even health insurance.

    I haven’t looked for a job in 8 years, none of my info is current. I told them it would take me a week or more to get my resume and most recent 15 project list together. They seemed surprised and irritated it would take me that long. They also tried to ask 3 different times what my current salary was, and when I wasn’t willing to share that they said it was a “critical piece of information for them in this process.”

    If they approached me and told me about the job position and the potential employer first, then asked me if I was interested in it – I would probably feel differently. Here they are asking all about me first while I try to scratch for info about the job. It feels completely backwards and seems like a major fishing expedition. So I am just going to ignore them. I was worried about burning a bridge with a potential firm to work for, not necessarily this recruiter. But it seems clear the firm doesn’t know me yet, and this recruiter isn’t going to share my info with them if I am non-responsive otherwise the firm could just talk to me directly. I am up to my eyeballs in work right now (I don’t know anyone who isn’t) and am fine with my job, I don’t need a homework assignment right now to aid a recruiting agency in setting up profiles.

    Thanks for the feedback guys.

    Very few recruiters will treat you as anything more than to get another placement towards their quotas. Either this entire situation is fishy, the recruiter is completely clueless, or both. Based on this I vote ‘both’. In the IT world that I live in the average lifespan of a recruiter at any one particular company seems to be 2-3 years. A company is hardly going to care about a specific candidate (or remember who it was anyways) unless that person has applied and likely had some form of direct discussion. I know people who have their resume out literally all of the time just in case something they like better comes along.

    When a good recruiter asks what your ideal salary is then can always say whether it’s realistic or not because they should know what their client on the other end is roughly willing to pay. Them needing to know your salary is completely irrelevant to the discussion and, to me, a borderline unprofessional question to ask solely because of its irrelevance. I have a guy who worked for me and left in the midst of our reorganization because his new manager gave him zero confidence there was a place for him in his org and he got an 80% salary increase at the new employer. I guarantee his new employer could care less what he was making for us…they thought he was the right person for their position.

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    fightclub30 wrote:


    Thanks. I asked specifics, and they gave a lot of very vague answers. They asked me what my ideal salary would be, I said $150,000 – they didn’t see the humor and I said, well, you asked for my ideal salary. I gave them a number that I think I am worth (and what it would take to get me to consider a move right now), to which they said oh, do you have a bare minimum. Yeah… that’s the number I just gave you, that’s what I am looking for if I were to move right now. I asked about where the company was located, is it downtown? Are they 100% in office? etc. Couldn’t get much info there. They wanted a home address for me and they would type it into google and give me a commute time. Couldn’t tell me if there was a 401k match, or even health insurance.

    I haven’t looked for a job in 8 years, none of my info is current. I told them it would take me a week or more to get my resume and most recent 15 project list together. They seemed surprised and irritated it would take me that long. They also tried to ask 3 different times what my current salary was, and when I wasn’t willing to share that they said it was a “critical piece of information for them in this process.”

    If they approached me and told me about the job position and the potential employer first, then asked me if I was interested in it – I would probably feel differently. Here they are asking all about me first while I try to scratch for info about the job. It feels completely backwards and seems like a major fishing expedition. So I am just going to ignore them. I was worried about burning a bridge with a potential firm to work for, not necessarily this recruiter. But it seems clear the firm doesn’t know me yet, and this recruiter isn’t going to share my info with them if I am non-responsive otherwise the firm could just talk to me directly. I am up to my eyeballs in work right now (I don’t know anyone who isn’t) and am fine with my job, I don’t need a homework assignment right now to aid a recruiting agency in setting up profiles.

    Thanks for the feedback guys.

    This is a complete fishing expedition. They want to build their own data on jobs like yours, current salary levels, qualifications, job skills. They don’t have a job, they’re building data to offer future corporations.

    Most head hunters don’t tell you the name of the company early on, they don’t want you to bypass them. But the fact they won’t even tell you a vague location like Eagan is a red flag. Plus insisting your current salary is a critical piece is nonsense. If there was a real job they’d offer up a salary range to entice you to go forward. Don’t worry about bridges and don’t waste anymore of your time.

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    The RubeThe Rube
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    gator wrote:


    I would be clueless if I had to apply for a job. I haven’t had to apply for a full time job since Jan. 1998. I have had a small handful of interviews for being a beer vendor at the original stadium, temporary stadium and new stadium stadiums for the Vikings and Twins.

    Pretty much the same. My “interview” for my side gig was:

    So, you know Employees A and B?

    Yup, a couple years now.

    You know beer, correct?

    Most definitely.

    How about spirits?

    I know the brown water, some vodka, zero tequila, a little about gin. FTR, I know NOTHING about wine except if it’s red or white.

    Alright, when do you want to start? You’d be a mid-shifter, so choose your own hours.

    Yeah, that was a bit different.

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    I work for a small, family-owned manufacturing company (50ish employees). Up until about 2 years ago, things were always stable and fine. I won’t go into details, but over the last 2 years we’ve lost most of our quality, experienced, long-time employees. Some of those people had been here 20 years or more. What started with a trickle of resignations has turned into a flood over the past 6 months. We lost so many good people so quickly, there hasn’t been enough experienced people left to train new employees. This has created chaos in our factory since nobody is properly trained. Our quality control has become horrendous.

    My manager (who has been here almost 30 years and was the one who hired me) resigned this week. I just found out another long-time employee resigned today. I’ve been here 20 years, and I’m probably now one of the 5 most senior people here. I stayed longer than I probably should have because the fringe benefits were great (short commute, nice office with a window, lots of vacation time, flexibility to leave early to get to my kids’ activities, etc…).

    I’ve decided it’s probably time to get off the Titanic while lifeboats are still available. Officially my job title is Project Manager in our sales division, but over the years my job has morphed into a weird combination of sales, customer service, engineering, and production manager. I’ll be spending the weekend getting my resume updated.

    I’ve been out of the job seeker/interview game so long that the thought starting over at a new company is pretty overwhelming. If anyone has any job leads, or even just helpful advice, please shoot me a PM. I would like to stay in the eastern half of the TC metro if possible.

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    I think I know a guy in the same type of field. I’ll reach out and let you know if I dig up any leads.

    As an alternative, the wild need a goalie

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    I have goaltending experience. Not at the NHL level, but I’m trainable. :good2:

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